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Transcript: City Council Regular Session - 22 September 2026

September 22, 2026

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  37. 0:11:09 Unknown speaker And we're people are getting settled. So
  38. 0:11:12 Unknown speaker give us maybe about five minutes.
  39. 0:11:15 Unknown speaker Yeah, like 7:20 we'll get we'll get
  40. 0:11:17 Unknown speaker started. Thanks.
  41. 0:16:22 Unknown speaker Get us started. Yes. Yeah. Oh, no. Do is
  42. 0:16:26 Unknown speaker it I thought it was 7:20.
  43. 0:16:28 Unknown speaker Okay. Go ahead. Get your
  44. 0:16:32 Unknown speaker I don't know.
  45. 0:16:38 Unknown speaker And I do this several times.
  46. 0:17:50 Unknown speaker Okay. If council members can work their
  47. 0:17:52 Unknown speaker way back to the
  48. 0:17:53 Unknown speaker dis.
  49. 0:17:56 Unknown speaker Why do we got to work?
  50. 0:17:57 Unknown speaker Get to work.
  51. 0:18:00 Unknown speaker Okay.
  52. 0:18:03 Unknown speaker I would now like to call the September
  53. 0:18:05 Unknown speaker 22nd, 2026 Longmont reg uh city council
  54. 0:18:08 Unknown speaker regular session to order. The live
  55. 0:18:10 Unknown speaker stream of this meeting can be viewed at
  56. 0:18:12 Unknown speaker the city's YouTube channel um or
  57. 0:18:15 Unknown speaker longpublicd media.orgwatch
  58. 0:18:19 Unknown speaker or Comcast channels 8 or 880. Can we
  59. 0:18:21 Unknown speaker start with roll call, please?
  60. 0:18:24 Unknown speaker Mayor Hoggoafering,
  61. 0:18:25 Unknown speaker present. Council member Christ,
  62. 0:18:27 Unknown speaker present.
  63. 0:18:28 Unknown speaker Council member Coloffer,
  64. 0:18:29 Unknown speaker present.
  65. 0:18:30 Unknown speaker Council member Marcy,
  66. 0:18:31 Unknown speaker here.
  67. 0:18:32 Unknown speaker Mayor Promcoy,
  68. 0:18:33 Unknown speaker present.
  69. 0:18:34 Unknown speaker Council member Popkin
  70. 0:18:35 Matthew Popkin here.
  71. 0:18:36 Unknown speaker Council member Pto
  72. 0:18:37 Unknown speaker here.
  73. 0:18:37 Unknown speaker Mayor, you have a quorum.
  74. 0:18:38 Unknown speaker Great. Let's stand for the pledge.
  75. 0:18:42 Unknown speaker I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
  76. 0:18:45 Unknown speaker United States of America and to the
  77. 0:18:48 Unknown speaker republic for which it stands, one nation
  78. 0:18:51 Unknown speaker under God, indivisible, with liberty and
  79. 0:18:54 Unknown speaker justice for all.
  80. 0:19:01 Unknown speaker In accordance with council's rules of
  81. 0:19:03 Unknown speaker procedure, the rules for providing
  82. 0:19:06 Unknown speaker public comment are as follows. Only
  83. 0:19:08 Unknown speaker Longmont residents and employees of the
  84. 0:19:10 Unknown speaker city of Longmont may speak during first
  85. 0:19:12 Unknown speaker call public invited to be heard. You
  86. 0:19:15 Unknown speaker must provide your address at the signup
  87. 0:19:17 Unknown speaker on the signup sheet before the meeting
  88. 0:19:18 Unknown speaker or I will not call your name. Each
  89. 0:19:20 Unknown speaker speaker is limited to three minutes.
  90. 0:19:23 Unknown speaker Anyone may speak on second reading or
  91. 0:19:25 Unknown speaker public hearing item and you are asked to
  92. 0:19:27 Unknown speaker add your name to the speaker list for
  93. 0:19:29 Unknown speaker the specific item before the meeting.
  94. 0:19:31 Unknown speaker Anyone may speak during final call
  95. 0:19:33 Unknown speaker public invited to be heard. Members of
  96. 0:19:35 Unknown speaker the audience shall refrain from
  97. 0:19:37 Unknown speaker disruptive, vulgar, or abusive language,
  98. 0:19:40 Unknown speaker applause, heckling, or other actions
  99. 0:19:42 Unknown speaker that interfere with the orderly function
  100. 0:19:44 Unknown speaker of council.
  101. 0:19:48 Unknown speaker Okay. Can I have a motion to approve the
  102. 0:19:50 Unknown speaker September 1st, 2026 regular session
  103. 0:19:52 Unknown speaker minutes?
  104. 0:19:54 Unknown speaker Oh, Council Member Marine.
  105. 0:19:57 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I actually do have um
  106. 0:19:59 Unknown speaker a amendment to both sets of minutes.
  107. 0:20:02 Unknown speaker Would you prefer I make that amendment
  108. 0:20:03 Unknown speaker to both now or uh one?
  109. 0:20:05 Unknown speaker Let's do one at a time.
  110. 0:20:06 Unknown speaker One at a time. Okay. Um it is the same
  111. 0:20:08 Unknown speaker amendment to both. Um I Well, we'll do
  112. 0:20:11 Unknown speaker it individually then, Crystal, if that's
  113. 0:20:13 Unknown speaker okay. Um I would move to amend
  114. 0:20:16 Unknown speaker uh item 4A, the minutes of September
  115. 0:20:19 Unknown speaker 1st, 2026 to strike the word financial
  116. 0:20:22 Unknown speaker from the description of my recusal on
  117. 0:20:25 Unknown speaker the early childhood education ballot
  118. 0:20:26 Unknown speaker measure. Uh and I'm happy to speak as to
  119. 0:20:29 Unknown speaker why that would be if there's a second to
  120. 0:20:30 Unknown speaker that motion.
  121. 0:20:32 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion has been made to
  122. 0:20:34 Unknown speaker amend the the minutes. Um, and it was
  123. 0:20:37 Unknown speaker seconded um made by council member
  124. 0:20:38 Unknown speaker Marcen, seconded by council member
  125. 0:20:40 Unknown speaker Popkin. And go ahead.
  126. 0:20:42 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I'll be quick. Um, my
  127. 0:20:44 Unknown speaker recusal I I don't have a financial
  128. 0:20:46 Unknown speaker vested stake in Brighter Start and uh
  129. 0:20:48 Unknown speaker the language including the term
  130. 0:20:49 Unknown speaker financial I think implies that I'm going
  131. 0:20:51 Unknown speaker to go out and apply for the RFP or
  132. 0:20:52 Unknown speaker something like that. So, Got it. No. Um
  133. 0:20:54 Unknown speaker it is a personal stake p uh certainly
  134. 0:20:57 Unknown speaker and a political one but not um not a
  135. 0:21:00 Unknown speaker financial one.
  136. 0:21:02 Unknown speaker Okay, sounds good. Okay, so um
  137. 0:21:06 Unknown speaker so let's go ahead. Do we we don't need
  138. 0:21:07 Unknown speaker to vote on Can you make a motion to
  139. 0:21:10 Unknown speaker approve the minutes as amended
  140. 0:21:12 Unknown speaker if Well, the motion's already been made.
  141. 0:21:15 Unknown speaker The motion has already been made. Was it
  142. 0:21:17 Unknown speaker seconded?
  143. 0:21:18 Unknown speaker Yeah, I can I can change it to
  144. 0:21:20 Unknown speaker Okay. Yeah. Hold on. I got to go back to
  145. 0:21:22 Unknown speaker my thing here. Okay. Seconded. Okay. So,
  146. 0:21:25 Unknown speaker nope. It was made by Marcine, seconded
  147. 0:21:27 Unknown speaker by Popkin. Thank you. Let's go ahead and
  148. 0:21:28 Unknown speaker vote.
  149. 0:21:40 Unknown speaker We can choices.
  150. 0:21:41 Unknown speaker Yep. That's it.
  151. 0:21:43 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. Now,
  152. 0:21:45 Unknown speaker we are on to the September 8th, 2026
  153. 0:21:48 Unknown speaker regular session minutes. Um, go ahead,
  154. 0:21:51 Unknown speaker Council Member Marcen. Thank you, mayor.
  155. 0:21:54 Unknown speaker I move to amend the September 8th, 2026
  156. 0:21:57 Unknown speaker minutes to strike the word financial
  157. 0:21:59 Unknown speaker from the description of my recusal on
  158. 0:22:00 Unknown speaker the early childhood ballot measure.
  159. 0:22:02 Unknown speaker Second.
  160. 0:22:02 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion has been made to
  161. 0:22:05 Unknown speaker amend um the September 8th, 2026 minutes
  162. 0:22:08 Unknown speaker made by council member Marcine, seconded
  163. 0:22:10 Unknown speaker by council member Popkin.
  164. 0:22:13 Unknown speaker Okay. And it was to strike the word
  165. 0:22:15 Unknown speaker financial from the description of the
  166. 0:22:17 Unknown speaker recusal for early childhood ballot
  167. 0:22:19 Unknown speaker measure. Um seeing no one in the queue,
  168. 0:22:21 Unknown speaker let's go ahead and vote.
  169. 0:22:24 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  170. 0:22:28 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. Now,
  171. 0:22:30 Unknown speaker do uh we are on agenda um item I five. I
  172. 0:22:34 Unknown speaker don't words are hard today. I don't
  173. 0:22:36 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  174. 0:22:37 Unknown speaker been doing it all day. Um
  175. 0:22:39 Unknown speaker so yes,
  176. 0:22:40 Unknown speaker we actually need to adopt the minutes.
  177. 0:22:42 Unknown speaker Oh, let's go back and adopt the minutes.
  178. 0:22:43 Unknown speaker Thank you. [laughter]
  179. 0:22:45 Unknown speaker I move we adopt the minutes as
  180. 0:22:47 Unknown speaker corrected.
  181. 0:22:49 Unknown speaker So, and is this for September 1st?
  182. 0:22:51 Unknown speaker September 1st. Okay. Now, let's go back
  183. 0:22:53 Unknown speaker and adopt the minutes. Thank you.
  184. 0:22:57 Unknown speaker So, the motion was made by
  185. 0:23:00 Unknown speaker uh Mayor Prom McCoy, seconded by was it
  186. 0:23:03 Unknown speaker Prito?
  187. 0:23:04 Unknown speaker No, that was Popkin.
  188. 0:23:06 Unknown speaker Popkin. Okay, that was sounds just like
  189. 0:23:09 Unknown speaker you. [laughter]
  190. 0:23:13 Unknown speaker Okay, let's go ahead and vote.
  191. 0:23:20 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  192. 0:23:23 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. We
  193. 0:23:25 Unknown speaker are now on to the September 8th, 2026
  194. 0:23:29 Unknown speaker minutes as adopted.
  195. 0:23:32 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion was made by Mayor
  196. 0:23:34 Unknown speaker Prom McCoy, seconded by um Council
  197. 0:23:37 Unknown speaker Member Marcen to adopt the minutes as
  198. 0:23:39 Unknown speaker amended.
  199. 0:23:42 Unknown speaker Let's go ahead and vote.
  200. 0:23:48 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. And that carries
  201. 0:23:48 Unknown speaker unanimously. Now we're on to agenda
  202. 0:23:51 Unknown speaker revisions. Um do we have any agenda
  203. 0:23:53 Unknown speaker revisions? Um Crystal?
  204. 0:23:56 Unknown speaker No, mayor.
  205. 0:23:57 Unknown speaker Okay. And then are there any motions
  206. 0:23:58 Unknown speaker from council for future agenda items?
  207. 0:24:01 Unknown speaker Council member Marcen.
  208. 0:24:03 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. I'll just start with
  209. 0:24:04 Unknown speaker the motion. I move the council direct
  210. 0:24:06 Unknown speaker the city manager and city attorney on a
  211. 0:24:08 Unknown speaker timeline consistent with staff's work
  212. 0:24:10 Unknown speaker plan to bring back ordinance O202537
  213. 0:24:15 Unknown speaker referring to marijuana hospitality as
  214. 0:24:17 Unknown speaker originally proposed with any necessary
  215. 0:24:20 Unknown speaker updates or conforming changes and with
  216. 0:24:22 Unknown speaker the additional direction that the
  217. 0:24:24 Unknown speaker ordinance package authorize only retail
  218. 0:24:26 Unknown speaker marijuana hospitality and sales business
  219. 0:24:29 Unknown speaker licenses and make the necessary
  220. 0:24:31 Unknown speaker amendments to chapter 6.70
  221. 0:24:34 Unknown speaker to remove authorization for marijuana
  222. 0:24:36 Unknown speaker hospitality business licenses that do
  223. 0:24:38 Unknown speaker not have a retail sales component.
  224. 0:24:40 Unknown speaker Second.
  225. 0:24:41 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion has been made um
  226. 0:24:44 Unknown speaker for
  227. 0:24:45 Unknown speaker and I'm happy. Yeah, I'm happy to bring
  228. 0:24:47 Unknown speaker back hospitality. It's not I don't have
  229. 0:24:49 Unknown speaker it.
  230. 0:24:50 Unknown speaker Okay. I'll send I sent it with the clerk
  231. 0:24:52 Unknown speaker for the hospitality hospitality license.
  232. 0:24:54 Unknown speaker Yeah, I'm happy to speak to it.
  233. 0:24:55 Unknown speaker And the motion was made by council
  234. 0:24:58 Unknown speaker member Marcen, seconded by council
  235. 0:24:59 Unknown speaker member Coloffer.
  236. 0:25:00 Unknown speaker And I I just sent that over to Crystal.
  237. 0:25:02 Unknown speaker I've been working. Thank you, mayor. Um,
  238. 0:25:03 Unknown speaker so I'll speak to this in a couple of of
  239. 0:25:05 Unknown speaker phases. Uh, you know, I think the motion
  240. 0:25:07 Unknown speaker really is designed to do two things. We
  241. 0:25:09 Unknown speaker heard last week from um, you know,
  242. 0:25:11 Unknown speaker interest business owners I've heard
  243. 0:25:13 Unknown speaker throughout the last year. Uh, basically
  244. 0:25:15 Unknown speaker what the motion does is it brings back
  245. 0:25:16 Unknown speaker the marijuana hospitality conversation
  246. 0:25:18 Unknown speaker that uh, the previous council and staff
  247. 0:25:21 Unknown speaker spent a tremendous amount of time on and
  248. 0:25:23 Unknown speaker that in the previous council kind of got
  249. 0:25:24 Unknown speaker left hanging in this in this middle
  250. 0:25:27 Unknown speaker space. Um and it this motion really is
  251. 0:25:30 Unknown speaker designed to lean on the work that staff
  252. 0:25:31 Unknown speaker has already done um in communicating
  253. 0:25:33 Unknown speaker with staff. The term was dust off the
  254. 0:25:36 Unknown speaker old stuff and it's it's essentially a
  255. 0:25:37 Unknown speaker pretty you know some changes but a
  256. 0:25:39 Unknown speaker fairly light lift uh on the staff
  257. 0:25:41 Unknown speaker capacity piece. And then the only change
  258. 0:25:43 Unknown speaker that I am making substantively on that
  259. 0:25:45 Unknown speaker is the retail, hospitality and sales
  260. 0:25:48 Unknown speaker business licenses being the ones that we
  261. 0:25:49 Unknown speaker prioritize. And the reason for that is
  262. 0:25:51 Unknown speaker because of what we're going to hear
  263. 0:25:52 Unknown speaker later tonight and what we heard some of
  264. 0:25:54 Unknown speaker last week as well regarding decreasing
  265. 0:25:56 Unknown speaker marijuana revenues. I am, you know, I
  266. 0:25:59 Unknown speaker this is not my my poison. Uh I'll be
  267. 0:26:01 Unknown speaker clear about that. Uh what this is for me
  268. 0:26:03 Unknown speaker is a real concern in with the revenue
  269. 0:26:07 Unknown speaker picture that we're dealing with that we
  270. 0:26:09 Unknown speaker have tools in our toolbox that are legal
  271. 0:26:12 Unknown speaker within the framework of the state that
  272. 0:26:13 Unknown speaker has established for us. Not asking staff
  273. 0:26:16 Unknown speaker to build a new program for from scratch
  274. 0:26:18 Unknown speaker um and is consistent with their work
  275. 0:26:20 Unknown speaker plan. I'm happy to answer thoughts or
  276. 0:26:22 Unknown speaker questions, but this is also not deciding
  277. 0:26:23 Unknown speaker the issue tonight.
  278. 0:26:24 Unknown speaker It's not deciding the issue tonight.
  279. 0:26:25 Unknown speaker It's just putting in our
  280. 0:26:26 Unknown speaker and it's and it's and my understanding
  281. 0:26:28 Unknown speaker is this would be after the election,
  282. 0:26:30 Unknown speaker probably sometime Q1 of next year.
  283. 0:26:32 Unknown speaker Okay. Very good. Thank you. So, I don't
  284. 0:26:34 Unknown speaker see anyone in the queue. Nope, I do now.
  285. 0:26:36 Unknown speaker Council member Popkin.
  286. 0:26:38 Unknown speaker Uh, thank you, Mayor. Uh, Council Member
  287. 0:26:39 Unknown speaker Marc, I appreciate the spirit of which
  288. 0:26:41 Unknown speaker you're bringing this. Um, I've been
  289. 0:26:43 Unknown speaker working my way through this issue over
  290. 0:26:45 Unknown speaker the last year and a half to understand
  291. 0:26:46 Unknown speaker some of the technical aspects of this.
  292. 0:26:48 Unknown speaker Um, I guess I just have a question maybe
  293. 0:26:49 Unknown speaker for the city manager on this. Um, I've
  294. 0:26:52 Unknown speaker heard from council member Mars about the
  295. 0:26:54 Unknown speaker timeline and how this relates, but
  296. 0:26:55 Unknown speaker considering this hasn't been called out
  297. 0:26:57 Unknown speaker specifically in our um, action items and
  298. 0:26:59 Unknown speaker priority list, I'm just curious where
  299. 0:27:01 Unknown speaker would this fall on timeline?
  300. 0:27:04 Unknown speaker Um, Eugene, I think there's two pieces
  301. 0:27:07 Unknown speaker on this one, yours, [clears throat]
  302. 0:27:09 Unknown speaker which I think is done.
  303. 0:27:12 Unknown speaker That one's pretty easy. The the other
  304. 0:27:14 Unknown speaker piece will then be on the implementation
  305. 0:27:16 Unknown speaker of that and if anyone comes forward. So
  306. 0:27:20 Unknown speaker can you elaborate a little bit more on
  307. 0:27:22 Unknown speaker that?
  308. 0:27:23 Unknown speaker Um so there's in terms of workload it's
  309. 0:27:26 Unknown speaker a preparing it. It's already prepared.
  310. 0:27:28 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  311. 0:27:28 Unknown speaker Um so there's not really a time issue
  312. 0:27:31 Unknown speaker there. Um there could be a time issue in
  313. 0:27:35 Unknown speaker terms of processing the applications. I
  314. 0:27:37 Unknown speaker know it's limited if I'm remembering
  315. 0:27:39 Unknown speaker that to four. Don
  316. 0:27:44 Unknown speaker it's four in the ordinance.
  317. 0:27:46 Unknown speaker It's four in the ordinance. So, I don't
  318. 0:27:48 Unknown speaker know that that's a significant time sync
  319. 0:27:51 Unknown speaker in terms of that piece, but
  320. 0:27:52 Unknown speaker [clears throat] I'll defer to Dawn to go
  321. 0:27:55 Unknown speaker through that when
  322. 0:28:00 Unknown speaker Hi, Don.
  323. 0:28:01 Unknown speaker Yeah, mayor and council. Don Kintana,
  324. 0:28:04 Unknown speaker city clerk. Um, correct. The ordinance
  325. 0:28:06 Unknown speaker is basically drafted. Um, we need a few
  326. 0:28:09 Unknown speaker amendments uh in order to be ready for
  327. 0:28:11 Unknown speaker you all to consider it. Uh what is not
  328. 0:28:14 Unknown speaker ready would be the licensing work that
  329. 0:28:17 Unknown speaker our office would need to do. We don't
  330. 0:28:19 Unknown speaker have forms. We haven't reviewed, you
  331. 0:28:21 Unknown speaker know, we halted all that work when that
  332. 0:28:22 Unknown speaker ordinance failed. So, um we would need
  333. 0:28:25 Unknown speaker to pick that back up, but if you can
  334. 0:28:27 Unknown speaker give us time till after the election,
  335. 0:28:29 Unknown speaker which is a heavy lift for our office,
  336. 0:28:31 Unknown speaker that that's much appreciated. So, if you
  337. 0:28:33 Unknown speaker can give us flexibility, we'll do our
  338. 0:28:36 Unknown speaker best to be ready.
  339. 0:28:37 Unknown speaker Okay. Great. Thank you. I think the
  340. 0:28:39 Unknown speaker piece on that again is just the timing
  341. 0:28:41 Unknown speaker based on things that are coming at us
  342. 0:28:43 Unknown speaker and we'll do our best but I don't if
  343. 0:28:46 Unknown speaker something comes up that may be a
  344. 0:28:47 Unknown speaker different question that we have to have
  345. 0:28:49 Unknown speaker with you with you all.
  346. 0:28:50 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. And it is pulling up old
  347. 0:28:53 Unknown speaker language from the last ordinance from
  348. 0:28:56 Unknown speaker the last time we we
  349. 0:28:57 Unknown speaker correct if we were building this from
  350. 0:29:00 Unknown speaker scratch and redoing it my answer would
  351. 0:29:02 Unknown speaker be completely different.
  352. 0:29:03 Unknown speaker Yes. Okay. Thank you. Um, council
  353. 0:29:06 Unknown speaker member,
  354. 0:29:07 Unknown speaker um, sorry, mayor, I just wanted to offer
  355. 0:29:08 Unknown speaker a quick comment on this. I
  356. 0:29:11 Unknown speaker I I appreciate what council member Mars
  357. 0:29:13 Unknown speaker is trying to do here in the context. I I
  358. 0:29:14 Unknown speaker will remind council that we did have a
  359. 0:29:17 Unknown speaker range of community perspectives on this
  360. 0:29:19 Unknown speaker last year when this was first being
  361. 0:29:21 Unknown speaker discussed. And there, to my knowledge,
  362. 0:29:24 Unknown speaker has not been a ton more implementation
  363. 0:29:25 Unknown speaker of this of these types of licenses
  364. 0:29:27 Unknown speaker across the state. And uh, if if there
  365. 0:29:30 Unknown speaker has, I'm willing to be proven wrong on
  366. 0:29:31 Unknown speaker that. But I was working my way through
  367. 0:29:33 Unknown speaker trying to better understand some of the
  368. 0:29:35 Unknown speaker solutions in this. I I haven't finished
  369. 0:29:37 Unknown speaker that work, so I'm not going to be voting
  370. 0:29:38 Unknown speaker to advance this at this time.
  371. 0:29:40 Unknown speaker Thank you, Council Member Christ.
  372. 0:29:43 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. So, my question is for
  373. 0:29:45 Unknown speaker the city attorney. Uh my recollection is
  374. 0:29:49 Unknown speaker that this ordinance failed and at the
  375. 0:29:52 Unknown speaker time my understanding was it had to be
  376. 0:29:54 Unknown speaker someone in the uh council person in the
  377. 0:29:58 Unknown speaker um
  378. 0:30:01 Unknown speaker in the on the winning side to reconsider
  379. 0:30:04 Unknown speaker the ordinance
  380. 0:30:07 Unknown speaker mayor and council Eugene May city
  381. 0:30:08 Unknown speaker attorney um council member Chris it's a
  382. 0:30:11 Unknown speaker new legislative session so it's pretty
  383. 0:30:13 Unknown speaker much a blank slate on things that would
  384. 0:30:15 Unknown speaker have failed or new initiatives
  385. 0:30:18 Unknown speaker and it's not bound by the motion to
  386. 0:30:20 Unknown speaker reconsider Robert's rules.
  387. 0:30:23 Unknown speaker Thank you for offering that
  388. 0:30:25 Unknown speaker clarification.
  389. 0:30:26 Unknown speaker Um, but I will offer that one of the
  390. 0:30:30 Unknown speaker reasons why it failed is because we we
  391. 0:30:33 Unknown speaker did pick it apart and
  392. 0:30:36 Unknown speaker there are several concerns about smoking
  393. 0:30:40 Unknown speaker in public places. um the lung cancer
  394. 0:30:43 Unknown speaker association came and spoke to us rather
  395. 0:30:45 Unknown speaker strongly about it. Um and there's other
  396. 0:30:49 Unknown speaker issues as well. So um I feel like we're
  397. 0:30:53 Unknown speaker just going to have a a merrygoround
  398. 0:30:56 Unknown speaker about this a little bit because we'll be
  399. 0:30:58 Unknown speaker going through some of the same type of
  400. 0:30:59 Unknown speaker testimony regarding this situation or
  401. 0:31:02 Unknown speaker this type of ordinance.
  402. 0:31:05 Unknown speaker Um thank you council member Marine.
  403. 0:31:09 Unknown speaker Oh, nope.
  404. 0:31:10 Unknown speaker Go to Coloffer next. It's okay, Mayor.
  405. 0:31:12 Unknown speaker Um, council member Coloffer.
  406. 0:31:15 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate
  407. 0:31:16 Unknown speaker everybody's comments on this. Um, I do
  408. 0:31:18 Unknown speaker think times changed a little bit uh
  409. 0:31:20 Unknown speaker since then. Uh, there's some additional
  410. 0:31:21 Unknown speaker events coming. Uh, with us reading all
  411. 0:31:24 Unknown speaker of the language for the short-term
  412. 0:31:26 Unknown speaker rentals. Most leases do not allow
  413. 0:31:29 Unknown speaker visitors who are coming in to consume on
  414. 0:31:31 Unknown speaker premise. And by us not having a place to
  415. 0:31:35 Unknown speaker do it, we are pushing people out into
  416. 0:31:37 Unknown speaker public spaces, which I think is much
  417. 0:31:39 Unknown speaker worse than having it in establishments
  418. 0:31:41 Unknown speaker that are um appropriate for this use.
  419. 0:31:44 Unknown speaker So, I'm in favor of this just because I
  420. 0:31:46 Unknown speaker want there one to capture the revenue
  421. 0:31:48 Unknown speaker and we're annexing we annexed in uh some
  422. 0:31:51 Unknown speaker additional facilities um around the same
  423. 0:31:54 Unknown speaker um you know uh items. So, you know, why
  424. 0:31:57 Unknown speaker not expand on that for people to do this
  425. 0:32:00 Unknown speaker in a space that doesn't put it in our
  426. 0:32:03 Unknown speaker public rideways, at our concerts, in a
  427. 0:32:05 Unknown speaker place where people can do it, where it's
  428. 0:32:06 Unknown speaker safe and um allowed.
  429. 0:32:10 Unknown speaker Um yeah, especially as we look at multif
  430. 0:32:12 Unknown speaker family, we have a lot of multif family
  431. 0:32:13 Unknown speaker units. I've been in apartment where
  432. 0:32:15 Unknown speaker neighbor downstairs and all smoke rises.
  433. 0:32:20 Unknown speaker So, um and my kids were little so yeah.
  434. 0:32:24 Unknown speaker So, I I will be voting yes on this. Um,
  435. 0:32:26 Unknown speaker Council Member Marcen, you
  436. 0:32:27 Unknown speaker Thank Thank you, Mayor. I'll just be
  437. 0:32:28 Unknown speaker quick. I appreciate the concerns and I
  438. 0:32:30 Unknown speaker know that they'll come back up. I think
  439. 0:32:31 Unknown speaker in speaking with the folks and and
  440. 0:32:34 Unknown speaker individuals who are both interested in
  441. 0:32:35 Unknown speaker pursuing these licenses and individuals
  442. 0:32:37 Unknown speaker who have concerns about these issues and
  443. 0:32:39 Unknown speaker our staff, I think the secondhand smoke
  444. 0:32:41 Unknown speaker issue is absolutely something that that
  445. 0:32:43 Unknown speaker I that I heard in the last conversation
  446. 0:32:44 Unknown speaker that that our that the entrepreneurs who
  447. 0:32:46 Unknown speaker are interested in this have solutions
  448. 0:32:47 Unknown speaker for. Whether it be advanced ventilation
  449. 0:32:49 Unknown speaker systems that could overturn air every 12
  450. 0:32:51 Unknown speaker minutes, whether it be um you know,
  451. 0:32:54 Unknown speaker there's there there are several
  452. 0:32:55 Unknown speaker challenges that we'll work through. I
  453. 0:32:57 Unknown speaker think for us as a council, considering
  454. 0:32:58 Unknown speaker the marijuana revenues issue that we're
  455. 0:33:00 Unknown speaker dealing with, this is a um that's where
  456. 0:33:02 Unknown speaker I come at from this and and that's
  457. 0:33:04 Unknown speaker specifically why I've made some of the
  458. 0:33:05 Unknown speaker targeted changes in this that I have to
  459. 0:33:07 Unknown speaker really try to make this a it's not going
  460. 0:33:09 Unknown speaker to be a budget fixer, but it's going to
  461. 0:33:11 Unknown speaker be a marijuana revenue booster in a way
  462. 0:33:12 Unknown speaker that could really support us in a number
  463. 0:33:14 Unknown speaker of ways. So, um I totally appreciate
  464. 0:33:16 Unknown speaker everyone's perspectives on this. I I
  465. 0:33:18 Unknown speaker think this um is a conversation that
  466. 0:33:20 Unknown speaker that and I I was here when that vote
  467. 0:33:22 Unknown speaker took place. I think it was kind of a
  468. 0:33:24 Unknown speaker wonky vote for those that weren't here.
  469. 0:33:25 Unknown speaker It was a three- three vote with one
  470. 0:33:26 Unknown speaker member absent. Um and [snorts] and and I
  471. 0:33:30 Unknown speaker think this council deserves the
  472. 0:33:31 Unknown speaker opportunity to finish the work that that
  473. 0:33:33 Unknown speaker was started or not and decide where we
  474. 0:33:35 Unknown speaker go.
  475. 0:33:35 Unknown speaker Thank you, Council Member Brietto.
  476. 0:33:38 Unknown speaker just wanted to offer a comment on this
  477. 0:33:40 Unknown speaker and I guess a position as to why. Um
  478. 0:33:44 Unknown speaker [sighs and gasps] so I appreciate you
  479. 0:33:46 Unknown speaker council member um Popkin for really
  480. 0:33:49 Unknown speaker looking into this issue and trying to
  481. 0:33:51 Unknown speaker understand all the nuances of it. I
  482. 0:33:53 Unknown speaker think a marijuana establishment um or
  483. 0:33:56 Unknown speaker like um you know a place for folks to be
  484. 0:33:59 Unknown speaker able to go and and and consume of the
  485. 0:34:01 Unknown speaker pro product is in just general speaking
  486. 0:34:06 Unknown speaker makes sense. But when we think about
  487. 0:34:08 Unknown speaker like bars and alcohol and the
  488. 0:34:10 Unknown speaker percentages within those that alcohol um
  489. 0:34:13 Unknown speaker that's pretty easy to gauge um you know
  490. 0:34:16 Unknown speaker for like a bartender or you know an
  491. 0:34:19 Unknown speaker establishment to say like you know and
  492. 0:34:22 Unknown speaker even for people I think too like I think
  493. 0:34:24 Unknown speaker we know ourselves and we know how much
  494. 0:34:26 Unknown speaker we can consume and of what type of
  495. 0:34:28 Unknown speaker product and pro and what is too much and
  496. 0:34:32 Unknown speaker and how to gauge that. I think it really
  497. 0:34:34 Unknown speaker gets tricky when we talk about marijuana
  498. 0:34:37 Unknown speaker products uh specifically all the
  499. 0:34:40 Unknown speaker different types whether it's um edibles
  500. 0:34:43 Unknown speaker or vapes or flour or and that might not
  501. 0:34:47 Unknown speaker be the correct terminology but you guys
  502. 0:34:50 Unknown speaker get the hint here. Um I think that
  503. 0:34:52 Unknown speaker toxicity has changed from back as from
  504. 0:34:57 Unknown speaker what it used to be. I don't think um it
  505. 0:35:01 Unknown speaker is today what it used to be and and I my
  506. 0:35:04 Unknown speaker concern is especially when you put it
  507. 0:35:06 Unknown speaker into a uh environment where there's a
  508. 0:35:09 Unknown speaker social aspect where people are prone to
  509. 0:35:13 Unknown speaker want to maybe consume more but not
  510. 0:35:15 Unknown speaker necessarily understand the impact it
  511. 0:35:17 Unknown speaker might have on their body after they
  512. 0:35:19 Unknown speaker consume it because a lot of it's
  513. 0:35:21 Unknown speaker surprise surprise [laughter] and the
  514. 0:35:23 Unknown speaker product's never the same because it's
  515. 0:35:26 Unknown speaker all manufactured from different places,
  516. 0:35:29 Unknown speaker different percentages, if it's being
  517. 0:35:31 Unknown speaker shared amongst people, you know, do the
  518. 0:35:34 Unknown speaker folks know that what they were consuming
  519. 0:35:36 Unknown speaker maybe was, I'm just going to throw a
  520. 0:35:38 Unknown speaker number out there, 13% compared to the
  521. 0:35:40 Unknown speaker 28% that their friend just gave them of
  522. 0:35:42 Unknown speaker an additional whatever the type of
  523. 0:35:45 Unknown speaker product is. And so I'm concerned about
  524. 0:35:47 Unknown speaker community safety and community impact. I
  525. 0:35:50 Unknown speaker think um I hear what you're saying,
  526. 0:35:52 Unknown speaker Council Member Kelkoffer, as far as like
  527. 0:35:55 Unknown speaker we want people to be safe doing this. Um
  528. 0:35:58 Unknown speaker but what I think is a lot of folks who
  529. 0:36:00 Unknown speaker are consumers of this product purchase
  530. 0:36:02 Unknown speaker it and go home and stay home. Um and and
  531. 0:36:06 Unknown speaker that's essentially what I'm comfortable
  532. 0:36:09 Unknown speaker with at this time. I'm not comfortable
  533. 0:36:10 Unknown speaker with bring it into a public space and
  534. 0:36:14 Unknown speaker then
  535. 0:36:15 Unknown speaker something happening either to the
  536. 0:36:17 Unknown speaker individual who's maybe over capac or
  537. 0:36:19 Unknown speaker incapacitated or even the establishment
  538. 0:36:22 Unknown speaker having that brunt and responsibility. Um
  539. 0:36:25 Unknown speaker and so I will be voting no on this
  540. 0:36:26 Unknown speaker today.
  541. 0:36:27 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Uh let's go ahead and
  542. 0:36:29 Unknown speaker vote.
  543. 0:36:39 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries four to three
  544. 0:36:41 Unknown speaker with council members Chris, council
  545. 0:36:43 Unknown speaker member Popkin, and council member Brito
  546. 0:36:45 Unknown speaker in opposition. Um, seeing no one else in
  547. 0:36:48 Unknown speaker the queue for future agenda items, let's
  548. 0:36:51 Unknown speaker move on to city manager report.
  549. 0:36:54 Unknown speaker Do you have a report?
  550. 0:36:56 Unknown speaker No report.
  551. 0:36:57 Unknown speaker No report, mayor, council.
  552. 0:36:58 Unknown speaker Very good. Um, no special reports and
  553. 0:37:01 Unknown speaker presentations. So we are now on to first
  554. 0:37:03 Unknown speaker call public invited to be heard and the
  555. 0:37:07 Unknown speaker first person on the list is Dr. RP Paul
  556. 0:37:12 Unknown speaker Williamson.
  557. 0:37:16 Unknown speaker Where are you?
  558. 0:37:17 Unknown speaker Come on down.
  559. 0:37:19 Unknown speaker Yes. Yes. Come on down.
  560. 0:37:20 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you.
  561. 0:37:24 Unknown speaker I appreciate the opportunity to be here.
  562. 0:37:27 Unknown speaker Uh I am a former resident of Superior
  563. 0:37:30 Unknown speaker and I was here many times before uh with
  564. 0:37:34 Unknown speaker you all uh talking about our high-speed
  565. 0:37:37 Unknown speaker hydrail uh system and uh since I got
  566. 0:37:41 Unknown speaker burned out of Superior, I don't have
  567. 0:37:43 Unknown speaker really a permanent resident right now.
  568. 0:37:45 Unknown speaker So I don't even have that on my uh on my
  569. 0:37:48 Unknown speaker Sorry, you're going to have to sit down.
  570. 0:37:49 Unknown speaker No, just kidding.
  571. 0:37:50 Unknown speaker Yeah, [laughter] brought you up.
  572. 0:37:51 Unknown speaker I wanted to make this clear. Right.
  573. 0:37:54 Unknown speaker And but I'm glad
  574. 0:37:55 Unknown speaker you I'm not going to make you sit down.
  575. 0:37:57 Unknown speaker Okay. [laughter]
  576. 0:38:00 Unknown speaker Here. Let me try from my end.
  577. 0:38:02 Unknown speaker Um you can go ahead and start speaking.
  578. 0:38:05 Unknown speaker No, it's not.
  579. 0:38:06 Unknown speaker No, it's not.
  580. 0:38:08 Unknown speaker Okay. Well,
  581. 0:38:10 Unknown speaker here. Yeah. Can you do it? We got it on
  582. 0:38:12 Unknown speaker the phone. So, go ahead and begin. Oh,
  583. 0:38:13 Unknown speaker okay. So anyway, uh I was here many
  584. 0:38:17 Unknown speaker times while I lived in Superior uh
  585. 0:38:19 Unknown speaker talking about our hydrail system and we
  586. 0:38:22 Unknown speaker have continued to work on that. Our
  587. 0:38:23 Unknown speaker system uh is about 10 years old to
  588. 0:38:26 Unknown speaker replace all of the old antiquated 1800s
  589. 0:38:30 Unknown speaker technology that is presently used in
  590. 0:38:32 Unknown speaker Colorado with hydrail and make it a
  591. 0:38:36 Unknown speaker high-speed system that serves the whole
  592. 0:38:38 Unknown speaker state. Um there is new uh entries now in
  593. 0:38:42 Unknown speaker the uh game and one of them is to serve
  594. 0:38:46 Unknown speaker Boulder u from the Pueblo area which I
  595. 0:38:50 Unknown speaker think includes about 20 passengers a
  596. 0:38:52 Unknown speaker day. U so that one's not real good uh as
  597. 0:38:56 Unknown speaker far as Koko is concerned and then
  598. 0:38:58 Unknown speaker another one has just come up recently.
  599. 0:39:00 Unknown speaker They want to put in a new rail from the
  600. 0:39:03 Unknown speaker DIA up to the ski area. Uh so uh that
  601. 0:39:08 Unknown speaker said, I want to move forward and I did
  602. 0:39:10 Unknown speaker have a few copies of this put on your
  603. 0:39:13 Unknown speaker table there. If you didn't get one, I
  604. 0:39:15 Unknown speaker will be glad to make those available to
  605. 0:39:17 Unknown speaker you. But we're talking about sustainable
  606. 0:39:19 Unknown speaker transportation here. And we're talking
  607. 0:39:21 Unknown speaker about renewable
  608. 0:39:23 Unknown speaker energy to do that to address the
  609. 0:39:26 Unknown speaker critical problem that we have here in
  610. 0:39:28 Unknown speaker Colorado regarding pollution and all of
  611. 0:39:31 Unknown speaker those problems that uh
  612. 0:39:34 Unknown speaker go on beyond with our health and
  613. 0:39:37 Unknown speaker everything else. So we have sustainable
  614. 0:39:39 Unknown speaker financials and that's based on us
  615. 0:39:41 Unknown speaker generating enough solar electricity and
  616. 0:39:44 Unknown speaker hydrogen power that we're going to have
  617. 0:39:47 Unknown speaker a complete system that is
  618. 0:39:50 Unknown speaker self-supporting and non-polluting. Uh we
  619. 0:39:54 Unknown speaker would be the only state in the nation
  620. 0:39:56 Unknown speaker with such a a operation. United States
  621. 0:40:00 Unknown speaker is severely behind the rest of the
  622. 0:40:03 Unknown speaker world. Japan and China and Germany and
  623. 0:40:07 Unknown speaker uh Ireland and England all are putting
  624. 0:40:09 Unknown speaker in sustainable systems using hydrogen. I
  625. 0:40:13 Unknown speaker have about 20 years in in hydrogen
  626. 0:40:16 Unknown speaker development and uh I have done a lot of
  627. 0:40:19 Unknown speaker research there and that's why I ganged
  628. 0:40:21 Unknown speaker up with Bob Briggs which many of you
  629. 0:40:24 Unknown speaker probably knew uh which passed away but
  630. 0:40:27 Unknown speaker he was really excited about bringing
  631. 0:40:29 Unknown speaker this new technology to Colorado. So we
  632. 0:40:32 Unknown speaker have sustainable opportunity stations
  633. 0:40:34 Unknown speaker that are all along the the uh pathway of
  634. 0:40:37 Unknown speaker our train and each sustainable
  635. 0:40:40 Unknown speaker transportation system becomes an
  636. 0:40:41 Unknown speaker economic development center. We have
  637. 0:40:44 Unknown speaker sustainable uh long-term partners that
  638. 0:40:47 Unknown speaker we're working with uh that will furnish
  639. 0:40:50 Unknown speaker us with technologies and all the things
  640. 0:40:52 Unknown speaker that we need to move forward. and we
  641. 0:40:55 Unknown speaker have uh sustainable financials which is
  642. 0:40:58 Unknown speaker the most important thing since I know
  643. 0:41:00 Unknown speaker Colorado is pretty much cut off from uh
  644. 0:41:02 Unknown speaker federal aid anymore. Uh so I think we
  645. 0:41:06 Unknown speaker need to do it on our own and even the
  646. 0:41:08 Unknown speaker new quote things that are going on as
  647. 0:41:11 Unknown speaker far as the system from Pueblo up to
  648. 0:41:14 Unknown speaker Boulder uh that still uses old hundredy
  649. 0:41:17 Unknown speaker old technologies. So, uh, thank you. I
  650. 0:41:21 Unknown speaker appreciate the time
  651. 0:41:23 Unknown speaker time and I hope there's an opportunity
  652. 0:41:24 Unknown speaker that I can meet with somebody to, uh,
  653. 0:41:26 Unknown speaker work on this.
  654. 0:41:27 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  655. 0:41:28 Unknown speaker Um, Tracy Ivanas,
  656. 0:41:29 Unknown speaker before we do that, could we see if we
  657. 0:41:31 Unknown speaker And then, um, yeah, we're going to try
  658. 0:41:33 Unknown speaker to fix um
  659. 0:41:34 Unknown speaker the time
  660. 0:41:35 Unknown speaker the timer. So,
  661. 0:41:39 Unknown speaker so if you want to
  662. 0:41:40 Unknown speaker just quick question.
  663. 0:41:42 Unknown speaker Yeah, go ahead.
  664. 0:41:43 Unknown speaker So, what are you trying to do? while
  665. 0:41:45 Unknown speaker it's turning.
  666. 0:41:45 Unknown speaker Yeah. See,
  667. 0:41:48 Unknown speaker the remote.
  668. 0:41:50 Unknown speaker No, see it. It resets.
  669. 0:41:52 Unknown speaker I don't know why it's doing that.
  670. 0:41:54 Unknown speaker Can you power it off and then power it
  671. 0:41:55 Unknown speaker off?
  672. 0:42:04 Unknown speaker What is that? Is that
  673. 0:42:06 Unknown speaker It's like taken It's taken a life force
  674. 0:42:09 Unknown speaker of its own. [laughter]
  675. 0:42:12 Unknown speaker Well, the worst part is Literally last
  676. 0:42:15 Unknown speaker week.
  677. 0:42:16 Unknown speaker Okay.
  678. 0:42:18 Unknown speaker Is that was that coming from the thing?
  679. 0:42:21 Unknown speaker I told it's taken on a life force of its
  680. 0:42:24 Unknown speaker own.
  681. 0:42:27 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  682. 0:42:36 Unknown speaker We need the remote.
  683. 0:42:41 Unknown speaker I have my own timer if y'all.
  684. 0:42:47 Unknown speaker We'll go ahead and get get started. Um,
  685. 0:42:51 Unknown speaker go ahead.
  686. 0:42:51 Unknown speaker Okay, be good. Um, Tracy Bes and good
  687. 0:42:54 Unknown speaker evening and happy fall. And if you knew
  688. 0:42:56 Unknown speaker how sick this makes me feel to be up
  689. 0:42:57 Unknown speaker here, you would know how important it is
  690. 0:42:59 Unknown speaker to me that I am here. Um, I'm actually
  691. 0:43:02 Unknown speaker here. It seems random, but it's not. The
  692. 0:43:04 Unknown speaker cell phone service in Longmont,
  693. 0:43:07 Unknown speaker something has happened and I went into
  694. 0:43:09 Unknown speaker T-Mobile and they told me some that
  695. 0:43:11 Unknown speaker there was a change in the towers and
  696. 0:43:13 Unknown speaker it's affecting all the carriers that had
  697. 0:43:15 Unknown speaker occurred in July. and I can put up with
  698. 0:43:19 Unknown speaker a lot, but there has to be an end date.
  699. 0:43:22 Unknown speaker And I said, "Okay, well, when are we
  700. 0:43:24 Unknown speaker going to get this resolved?" And they
  701. 0:43:25 Unknown speaker said, "Ne." And I don't know if you're
  702. 0:43:28 Unknown speaker on Voice of Longmont, but it's not
  703. 0:43:30 Unknown speaker T-Mobile, it's Verizon, it's AT&T. It is
  704. 0:43:33 Unknown speaker I mean, I'm Southwest Longmont, so I
  705. 0:43:35 Unknown speaker already have the airport, and that's
  706. 0:43:37 Unknown speaker okay. I've have certain areas I can't
  707. 0:43:39 Unknown speaker talk. That's fine. But literally, my
  708. 0:43:41 Unknown speaker phone cannot call. It cannot pull up
  709. 0:43:43 Unknown speaker directions. My kids are out riding their
  710. 0:43:46 Unknown speaker bike and I can't. There's no there's no
  711. 0:43:48 Unknown speaker service. And I know the carriers don't
  712. 0:43:51 Unknown speaker care about Tracy Ibana in Longmont, but
  713. 0:43:54 Unknown speaker they might care if the Longmont City
  714. 0:43:56 Unknown speaker Council put some pressure or finds out
  715. 0:43:59 Unknown speaker what's going on. I don't know what's
  716. 0:44:00 Unknown speaker going on. Nobody knows what's going on.
  717. 0:44:02 Unknown speaker Nobody, you know, they didn't put out a
  718. 0:44:05 Unknown speaker PSA if you're having problems with your
  719. 0:44:07 Unknown speaker phone contact. So, I'm just trying to
  720. 0:44:09 Unknown speaker bring this to your attention because I
  721. 0:44:11 Unknown speaker know that we are building. I know that
  722. 0:44:13 Unknown speaker people want to move to Longmont, but
  723. 0:44:15 Unknown speaker this is not going to be a tenable
  724. 0:44:17 Unknown speaker situation if people cannot use their
  725. 0:44:19 Unknown speaker cell phones. So, that's all I've really
  726. 0:44:22 Unknown speaker got the courage to come here to tell
  727. 0:44:24 Unknown speaker y'all that. Hopefully, you can like talk
  728. 0:44:26 Unknown speaker to somebody or put some pressure.
  729. 0:44:28 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  730. 0:44:29 Unknown speaker Great. Thanks.
  731. 0:44:31 Unknown speaker Okay. Um Kirk Slow,
  732. 0:44:39 Unknown speaker how did you get it working before?
  733. 0:44:45 Unknown speaker Okay.
  734. 0:44:47 Unknown speaker Oh, see now.
  735. 0:44:50 Unknown speaker Oh, that was you. Oh,
  736. 0:44:53 Unknown speaker real quick here.
  737. 0:44:56 Unknown speaker Let me know when you're ready.
  738. 0:44:57 Unknown speaker Yeah. Yeah.
  739. 0:45:10 Unknown speaker Yeah. All right, here we go.
  740. 0:45:13 Unknown speaker I'll do that.
  741. 0:45:14 Unknown speaker Okay, go ahead and get started.
  742. 0:45:17 Unknown speaker So,
  743. 0:45:19 Unknown speaker over $100,000 for an AI tool to write
  744. 0:45:23 Unknown speaker police report. And I don't know if it's
  745. 0:45:25 Unknown speaker crossed your mind, but AI and I share
  746. 0:45:27 Unknown speaker something in common. We don't always do
  747. 0:45:29 Unknown speaker as we're told.
  748. 0:45:33 Unknown speaker Now,
  749. 0:45:36 Unknown speaker what goes into the report would not
  750. 0:45:39 Unknown speaker always be what comes out. And the wrong
  751. 0:45:43 Unknown speaker word or the wrong set of words in the
  752. 0:45:46 Unknown speaker wrong places can totally change the
  753. 0:45:48 Unknown speaker context of a police report.
  754. 0:45:51 Unknown speaker And of course, that can potentially
  755. 0:45:56 Unknown speaker wreck people's lives. Or on the flip
  756. 0:45:59 Unknown speaker side, you could lose a case because the
  757. 0:46:03 Unknown speaker police report was incorrect because hey,
  758. 0:46:06 Unknown speaker AI did it. Who's to blame? Right? So,
  759. 0:46:10 Unknown speaker prevention is always better than the
  760. 0:46:13 Unknown speaker cure.
  761. 0:46:15 Unknown speaker Uh I heard a number of you know the
  762. 0:46:20 Unknown speaker amount of time that is supposedly taken
  763. 0:46:22 Unknown speaker to write reports but
  764. 0:46:27 Unknown speaker the time saved is just in my opinion
  765. 0:46:32 Unknown speaker it's not going to be worth it.
  766. 0:46:36 Unknown speaker What is the acceptable failure rate when
  767. 0:46:39 Unknown speaker AI is involved?
  768. 0:46:42 Unknown speaker And that is not rhetorical.
  769. 0:46:44 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um Patrice Row.
  770. 0:47:03 Unknown speaker Good evening and thank you for allowing
  771. 0:47:06 Unknown speaker me to be heard this evening. Um I'm here
  772. 0:47:09 Unknown speaker to just share comments. uh regarding the
  773. 0:47:13 Unknown speaker new development at Airport Road in
  774. 0:47:16 Unknown speaker Clover Basin. I am a resident. I live
  775. 0:47:19 Unknown speaker right at that intersection
  776. 0:47:22 Unknown speaker and I'm just hoping a great deal of
  777. 0:47:25 Unknown speaker forethought goes into what's allowed
  778. 0:47:27 Unknown speaker there. And um Mr. Coloffer, I'm actually
  779. 0:47:31 Unknown speaker going to be quoting you a great deal.
  780. 0:47:34 Unknown speaker you wrote a very nice piece while a
  781. 0:47:36 Unknown speaker candidate and I read everyone's opinions
  782. 0:47:39 Unknown speaker on these um different developments while
  783. 0:47:42 Unknown speaker I was determining who to vote for. So, I
  784. 0:47:46 Unknown speaker want to quote you if that's okay. Right
  785. 0:47:48 Unknown speaker now, the intersection at Airport and
  786. 0:47:50 Unknown speaker Clover Basin is a nightmare for all road
  787. 0:47:53 Unknown speaker users and adding more development to the
  788. 0:47:56 Unknown speaker area without a transportation plan is a
  789. 0:48:00 Unknown speaker disservice to the community. and I live
  790. 0:48:03 Unknown speaker that intersection every day. And now
  791. 0:48:06 Unknown speaker you're going to put, you know, more
  792. 0:48:08 Unknown speaker families on the other side of Airport
  793. 0:48:11 Unknown speaker Road with children needing to cross it
  794. 0:48:13 Unknown speaker to get down, you know, the block to the
  795. 0:48:15 Unknown speaker three different schools. So, I am very
  796. 0:48:19 Unknown speaker concerned about how this is handled. and
  797. 0:48:22 Unknown speaker you put forth a very reasonable plan
  798. 0:48:24 Unknown speaker here and I certainly hope all the
  799. 0:48:27 Unknown speaker council persons here have you've shared
  800. 0:48:30 Unknown speaker this with them because it makes sense
  801. 0:48:32 Unknown speaker and it talks more about
  802. 0:48:35 Unknown speaker 180 to maybe 230 units as opposed to the
  803. 0:48:39 Unknown speaker 310 initially proposed um a stepwise and
  804. 0:48:44 Unknown speaker a phasing in with um transportation
  805. 0:48:48 Unknown speaker studies done along the way. uh that
  806. 0:48:51 Unknown speaker intersection, you know, gets busy. And
  807. 0:48:55 Unknown speaker so I just hope as going forward as you
  808. 0:48:59 Unknown speaker consider different proposals that you
  809. 0:49:02 Unknown speaker keep these items in mind. Thank you.
  810. 0:49:05 Unknown speaker Thank you,
  811. 0:49:08 Unknown speaker John Bolton.
  812. 0:49:22 Unknown speaker Good evening,
  813. 0:49:24 Unknown speaker counselors and mayor. Um, I'm John
  814. 0:49:27 Unknown speaker Bolton. I live at the uh Mountain View
  815. 0:49:30 Unknown speaker Mobile Home Park. Um, I am here to bring
  816. 0:49:34 Unknown speaker your attention to the impending loss of
  817. 0:49:39 Unknown speaker a very valuable affordable senior living
  818. 0:49:46 Unknown speaker location.
  819. 0:49:48 Unknown speaker uh
  820. 0:49:51 Unknown speaker and to ask for your guidance
  821. 0:49:57 Unknown speaker uh
  822. 0:49:58 Unknown speaker to save this park. It's a very nice
  823. 0:50:02 Unknown speaker park. It's a small park. It's one that I
  824. 0:50:04 Unknown speaker think uh Longmont should really be proud
  825. 0:50:07 Unknown speaker of. It's accessible to town. Uh it's a
  826. 0:50:10 Unknown speaker 55 plus town or
  827. 0:50:14 Unknown speaker location. And I would estimate that uh
  828. 0:50:19 Unknown speaker the average age of people there is 75
  829. 0:50:22 Unknown speaker years old in their mid70s.
  830. 0:50:25 Unknown speaker Uh the location is really nice to be uh
  831. 0:50:29 Unknown speaker close to town.
  832. 0:50:31 Unknown speaker Um
  833. 0:50:33 Unknown speaker it's uh very accessible for us and um
  834. 0:50:39 Unknown speaker conveniently located across the street
  835. 0:50:42 Unknown speaker from the cemetery so that the next move
  836. 0:50:45 Unknown speaker is so much easier.
  837. 0:50:48 Unknown speaker Uh it's really a a a park that should be
  838. 0:50:53 Unknown speaker uh that Longmont should be proud of. was
  839. 0:50:56 Unknown speaker it was uh I think put together in the in
  840. 0:50:59 Unknown speaker the 1960s.
  841. 0:51:01 Unknown speaker Um it has very nice mature trees. It's a
  842. 0:51:05 Unknown speaker nice um it's a very clean park
  843. 0:51:10 Unknown speaker and uh it was I I I we gave a handout
  844. 0:51:15 Unknown speaker uh to you all that you may have uh and
  845. 0:51:19 Unknown speaker which has my name and contact
  846. 0:51:22 Unknown speaker information
  847. 0:51:24 Unknown speaker uh for your guidance. I think something
  848. 0:51:28 Unknown speaker outside of the box needs to be done
  849. 0:51:30 Unknown speaker here. We went through the thistle
  850. 0:51:32 Unknown speaker process uh of trying to purchase the
  851. 0:51:36 Unknown speaker park five years ago when it sold. Uh now
  852. 0:51:39 Unknown speaker it's um the intent for sale is uh now
  853. 0:51:43 Unknown speaker been given
  854. 0:51:45 Unknown speaker um costing another $6 million.
  855. 0:51:50 Unknown speaker um the residents on a fixed income are,
  856. 0:51:55 Unknown speaker you know, we're at our limits of what we
  857. 0:51:59 Unknown speaker can afford to pay.
  858. 0:52:02 Unknown speaker And
  859. 0:52:04 Unknown speaker so I'm hoping that uh there are some of
  860. 0:52:09 Unknown speaker you who are creative that will think out
  861. 0:52:11 Unknown speaker of the box and connect me with uh you
  862. 0:52:15 Unknown speaker know maybe private uh
  863. 0:52:20 Unknown speaker uh partner uh with uh city help and
  864. 0:52:25 Unknown speaker county help to
  865. 0:52:27 Unknown speaker uh save this park. Thank you for your
  866. 0:52:30 Unknown speaker time.
  867. 0:52:30 Unknown speaker Thank you. Thank you and thanks for
  868. 0:52:31 Unknown speaker leaving your contact information. Um,
  869. 0:52:34 Unknown speaker Esparansa Ortiz.
  870. 0:52:47 Unknown speaker Hi.
  871. 0:52:49 Unknown speaker Uh, my name is Espanzoriz. Um, I talked
  872. 0:52:52 Unknown speaker to you guys last week.
  873. 0:52:54 Unknown speaker Thanks for giving me a call. I got two
  874. 0:52:56 Unknown speaker out of seven of you guys. So, I know now
  875. 0:52:59 Unknown speaker at this point I'm not convincing you to
  876. 0:53:00 Unknown speaker give us a license, but addressing
  877. 0:53:04 Unknown speaker concerns. So, I'm not here to fight
  878. 0:53:06 Unknown speaker Lance for the license. I'm actually here
  879. 0:53:08 Unknown speaker to like address it with you guys,
  880. 0:53:10 Unknown speaker address your concerns. Every single time
  881. 0:53:13 Unknown speaker you guys were talking, I had a response
  882. 0:53:16 Unknown speaker because I've done the work. I've looked
  883. 0:53:18 Unknown speaker into it. I've, you know, I can address
  884. 0:53:20 Unknown speaker these issues with you guys. So,
  885. 0:53:24 Unknown speaker I made a really quick like a little
  886. 0:53:26 Unknown speaker brief pamphlet that's going to kind of
  887. 0:53:28 Unknown speaker just give you an overview so you guys
  888. 0:53:30 Unknown speaker know that it is addressed everything you
  889. 0:53:32 Unknown speaker guys said cuz it's valid. I also have
  890. 0:53:35 Unknown speaker four kids myself, so I completely
  891. 0:53:37 Unknown speaker understands everybody's concern. Um, so
  892. 0:53:40 Unknown speaker this is really just an overview. You
  893. 0:53:43 Unknown speaker guys can see that I've looked into it.
  894. 0:53:45 Unknown speaker Two of you guys have my contact
  895. 0:53:47 Unknown speaker information. more than welcome to reach
  896. 0:53:49 Unknown speaker out to me and I can discuss further and
  897. 0:53:52 Unknown speaker address your guys's concerns.
  898. 0:53:55 Unknown speaker Thank you. Uhuh. Thanks. And if you
  899. 0:53:57 Unknown speaker wanted to leave the documents with
  900. 0:53:59 Unknown speaker Crystal at the end. Thank you, Lance
  901. 0:54:01 Unknown speaker Whitaker.
  902. 0:54:10 Unknown speaker May look like it. [laughter]
  903. 0:54:15 Unknown speaker Good evening. My name is Lance Whitaker,
  904. 0:54:16 Unknown speaker 1750 Collier Street. Been a resident for
  905. 0:54:19 Unknown speaker 47 years. And like I said, I'd never
  906. 0:54:22 Unknown speaker fight you for a license. We could be
  907. 0:54:23 Unknown speaker partners. Um, I do agree with the
  908. 0:54:27 Unknown speaker hydrogen thing. Um, I do also agree with
  909. 0:54:31 Unknown speaker the uh cell tower being really bad in
  910. 0:54:34 Unknown speaker Longmont. I've had several lift drive,
  911. 0:54:37 Unknown speaker you know, I'm a lift driver, so I've had
  912. 0:54:39 Unknown speaker several drops because of cell service in
  913. 0:54:42 Unknown speaker this area. Um, it's quite bad here in
  914. 0:54:45 Unknown speaker Longmont lot compared to other cities.
  915. 0:54:48 Unknown speaker Um, and I am not afraid of AI or AGI,
  916. 0:54:52 Unknown speaker whichever one you want to be. Let's get
  917. 0:54:54 Unknown speaker back to business. Today is National Ice
  918. 0:54:57 Unknown speaker Cream Cone Day. It's also National
  919. 0:55:01 Unknown speaker Autumn Equinox, and that happened at 6
  920. 0:55:04 Unknown speaker o'clock just before the meeting. Uh,
  921. 0:55:06 Unknown speaker it's also Hobbit day. So, if you know a
  922. 0:55:09 Unknown speaker Hobbit, you know, shake his hand, I
  923. 0:55:12 Unknown speaker guess.
  924. 0:55:13 Unknown speaker Um, it's also states and capitals day
  925. 0:55:15 Unknown speaker and uh half of us know the states, but
  926. 0:55:19 Unknown speaker capitals are a big thing. Um, elephant
  927. 0:55:22 Unknown speaker awareness day,
  928. 0:55:24 Unknown speaker uh, brown butter day, which my PT would
  929. 0:55:28 Unknown speaker just hate me for saying that one. Um,
  930. 0:55:30 Unknown speaker it's girls night out day and centurion's
  931. 0:55:33 Unknown speaker day. Um, I couldn't give you any
  932. 0:55:36 Unknown speaker birthdays because they wouldn't come up
  933. 0:55:37 Unknown speaker or any special
  934. 0:55:40 Unknown speaker um, history things. Um, I also like to
  935. 0:55:44 Unknown speaker support fruit trees in parks. You all
  936. 0:55:48 Unknown speaker know that. Let's get some fruit trees in
  937. 0:55:50 Unknown speaker some parks.
  938. 0:55:52 Unknown speaker It'd be very beneficial. A lot of people
  939. 0:55:54 Unknown speaker love that idea when I tell them about
  940. 0:55:55 Unknown speaker it. Um, and that Yeah, I still got a
  941. 0:55:59 Unknown speaker minute, but I don't have anything else
  942. 0:56:01 Unknown speaker to say.
  943. 0:56:02 Unknown speaker Thank you again.
  944. 0:56:03 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  945. 0:56:04 Unknown speaker Okay. G Lindberg.
  946. 0:56:18 Unknown speaker Hi, I'm G. Lindberg from 1121 Alderway.
  947. 0:56:22 Unknown speaker Uh, resident there since 94. And what I
  948. 0:56:25 Unknown speaker was going to talk about was the Dry
  949. 0:56:27 Unknown speaker Creek annexation. I understand there's
  950. 0:56:29 Unknown speaker still a meeting October 6th where
  951. 0:56:31 Unknown speaker there'll probably be more in-depth
  952. 0:56:32 Unknown speaker conversation about it. Uh my concern
  953. 0:56:35 Unknown speaker really is just the traffic going through
  954. 0:56:38 Unknown speaker Westbrook Village seems to still just go
  955. 0:56:40 Unknown speaker straight up north through there where if
  956. 0:56:45 Unknown speaker people are exiting to the north and go
  957. 0:56:47 Unknown speaker west on Quail and that backs up, they're
  958. 0:56:50 Unknown speaker going to go straight north on the
  959. 0:56:52 Unknown speaker Boxhelder Drive then go through the park
  960. 0:56:55 Unknown speaker that's on the
  961. 0:56:57 Unknown speaker um East Meadow View subdivision there.
  962. 0:57:00 Unknown speaker And I'm just concerned about all that
  963. 0:57:02 Unknown speaker traffic in there where I think I had uh
  964. 0:57:04 Unknown speaker talked about before if they could put
  965. 0:57:06 Unknown speaker something in instead of going straight
  966. 0:57:07 Unknown speaker up Buckthornne, they could go towards
  967. 0:57:10 Unknown speaker the northwest like at a 45 degree angle
  968. 0:57:13 Unknown speaker and just have it towards a left turn
  969. 0:57:15 Unknown speaker only to Quail and then it would be a
  970. 0:57:17 Unknown speaker right turn only going into the new
  971. 0:57:19 Unknown speaker subdivision. And of course people going
  972. 0:57:21 Unknown speaker to the um
  973. 0:57:25 Unknown speaker Boxelder Drive would just go straight
  974. 0:57:27 Unknown speaker forward which is the retirement
  975. 0:57:28 Unknown speaker community. And a lot of the retirement
  976. 0:57:31 Unknown speaker people are concerned about it too
  977. 0:57:32 Unknown speaker because they're a nice quiet
  978. 0:57:34 Unknown speaker neighborhood and they're bringing all
  979. 0:57:35 Unknown speaker that traffic through. Um
  980. 0:57:38 Unknown speaker so that's the main thing I had on that.
  981. 0:57:40 Unknown speaker Everything else sounds good. They're not
  982. 0:57:42 Unknown speaker doing a bunch of apartments and so
  983. 0:57:43 Unknown speaker forth. So I'm pleased about that. And uh
  984. 0:57:46 Unknown speaker incidentally on the uh
  985. 0:57:49 Unknown speaker the phone cell stuff uh my wife went to
  986. 0:57:52 Unknown speaker Verizon yesterday and they were saying
  987. 0:57:53 Unknown speaker something about that the they were FCC
  988. 0:57:56 Unknown speaker was testing some 6G stuff and it sounds
  989. 0:57:59 Unknown speaker like it could be some interference with
  990. 0:58:00 Unknown speaker the 5G and they're having them knock the
  991. 0:58:03 Unknown speaker power down on the towers or something.
  992. 0:58:05 Unknown speaker So um
  993. 0:58:07 Unknown speaker could be like spectrum overlap or
  994. 0:58:09 Unknown speaker something like that. I did sell towers
  995. 0:58:10 Unknown speaker for 19 years, but uh it is concerning
  996. 0:58:13 Unknown speaker because the the self service has really
  997. 0:58:16 Unknown speaker dropped a lot. So, and that's
  998. 0:58:17 Unknown speaker everything. Thank you for your time.
  999. 0:58:19 Unknown speaker Great. And thank you for letting us know
  1000. 0:58:21 Unknown speaker about that. Um Steve Uler,
  1001. 0:58:28 Unknown speaker good evening. Steve Aluler, 1555 Taylor
  1002. 0:58:32 Unknown speaker Drive. Add me to the list of having a
  1003. 0:58:35 Unknown speaker month with like no phone service. I
  1004. 0:58:37 Unknown speaker cannot dial out. I cannot receive a
  1005. 0:58:39 Unknown speaker phone call from my own home. It's really
  1006. 0:58:42 Unknown speaker been terrible. Um, so city council and
  1007. 0:58:48 Unknown speaker others are fond of saying that there's
  1008. 0:58:51 Unknown speaker 10,000, 20,000, 40,000, 50,000 people
  1009. 0:58:55 Unknown speaker trying to move into Longmont. Is there a
  1010. 0:58:58 Unknown speaker signup sheet somewhere that nobody in
  1011. 0:59:00 Unknown speaker Longmont knows about? Or is that number
  1012. 0:59:02 Unknown speaker just kind of made up to impress builders
  1013. 0:59:05 Unknown speaker or something? One and a half years ago,
  1014. 0:59:08 Unknown speaker a builder wanted to build at airport in
  1015. 0:59:10 Unknown speaker Clover Basin. I think I could have had
  1016. 0:59:12 Unknown speaker my numbers a little bit wrong. I think
  1017. 0:59:14 Unknown speaker it's approximately 13 acres to be built
  1018. 0:59:17 Unknown speaker out, but it was going to be at a maximum
  1019. 0:59:19 Unknown speaker of 18 units per acre. All the neighbors
  1020. 0:59:22 Unknown speaker were here complaining because of the
  1021. 0:59:24 Unknown speaker density and number of cars that would be
  1022. 0:59:26 Unknown speaker pouring onto Clover Basin. City council
  1023. 0:59:30 Unknown speaker virtually turned it down. There's
  1024. 0:59:32 Unknown speaker technicality there, but I won't bother
  1025. 0:59:33 Unknown speaker with that now. but only because 5% were
  1026. 0:59:37 Unknown speaker going to be low income. Now the builders
  1027. 0:59:40 Unknown speaker back into my understanding they've
  1028. 0:59:41 Unknown speaker changed it to 15% low income. And I'm
  1029. 0:59:44 Unknown speaker interchanging low income with Habitat
  1030. 0:59:46 Unknown speaker for Humanity if you want to be more
  1031. 0:59:48 Unknown speaker specific. This project is still just as
  1032. 0:59:51 Unknown speaker dense. Why not build six to eight units
  1033. 0:59:54 Unknown speaker per acre? Yes, the homes will cost more,
  1034. 0:59:57 Unknown speaker but you'll bring in more higher income
  1035. 0:59:59 Unknown speaker people to support our local businesses.
  1036. 1:00:04 Unknown speaker 60% of Longmont citizens leave Longmont
  1037. 1:00:06 Unknown speaker every day to go to work. Longmont needs
  1038. 1:00:09 Unknown speaker more jobs, not more residents. Think of
  1039. 1:00:12 Unknown speaker all the thou hundreds of thousands of
  1040. 1:00:14 Unknown speaker miles that won't be driven if we had
  1041. 1:00:17 Unknown speaker more local jobs.
  1042. 1:00:20 Unknown speaker And then changing subjects here,
  1043. 1:00:24 Unknown speaker um the comment was made about passing
  1044. 1:00:26 Unknown speaker marijuana because you want to increase
  1045. 1:00:28 Unknown speaker revenue.
  1046. 1:00:29 Unknown speaker Well, earlier this year, Denver wanted
  1047. 1:00:31 Unknown speaker to legalize prostitution because they
  1048. 1:00:34 Unknown speaker said they'd also make more revenue. So,
  1049. 1:00:36 Unknown speaker is that something Longmont would
  1050. 1:00:37 Unknown speaker consider to get more money?
  1051. 1:00:40 Unknown speaker Would you consider lowering drinking age
  1052. 1:00:42 Unknown speaker to 16 to get more revenue? Or would you
  1053. 1:00:45 Unknown speaker legalize other drugs? Also, my point is
  1054. 1:00:49 Unknown speaker legalizing something that is somewhere
  1055. 1:00:53 Unknown speaker between dangerous and immoral
  1056. 1:00:55 Unknown speaker is not what you're here for when it
  1057. 1:00:57 Unknown speaker comes to just having more revenue.
  1058. 1:01:00 Unknown speaker You're here for the safety of the
  1059. 1:01:02 Unknown speaker citizens of Longmont, not anything you
  1060. 1:01:04 Unknown speaker can do to milk more money. Thank you.
  1061. 1:01:08 Unknown speaker Thank you, Gage Wondrush.
  1062. 1:01:11 Unknown speaker Hopefully, I said that correct. You can
  1063. 1:01:13 Unknown speaker correct me when you come down.
  1064. 1:01:21 Unknown speaker Hello test.
  1065. 1:01:22 Unknown speaker Hi council. Um thank you for having me
  1066. 1:01:24 Unknown speaker up. Uh I just wanted to come here and
  1067. 1:01:27 Unknown speaker speak to you guys again about um
  1068. 1:01:29 Unknown speaker something that's very important to me
  1069. 1:01:30 Unknown speaker and I think a lot of us uh the ALPR and
  1070. 1:01:34 Unknown speaker surveillance technology. Now I know I
  1071. 1:01:36 Unknown speaker might not be exactly current because
  1072. 1:01:38 Unknown speaker I've heard there are announcements
  1073. 1:01:39 Unknown speaker coming. Um, and my understanding is also
  1074. 1:01:42 Unknown speaker that despite having signed the Axon
  1075. 1:01:44 Unknown speaker contract, we are not currently operating
  1076. 1:01:46 Unknown speaker that system. Um, but I wanted to be a
  1077. 1:01:52 Unknown speaker perennial reminder that there are still
  1078. 1:01:53 Unknown speaker a great number of us that are very
  1079. 1:01:55 Unknown speaker passionate about these systems not being
  1080. 1:01:57 Unknown speaker used in our town. Um, the sort of risk
  1081. 1:02:02 Unknown speaker to every single one of us is
  1082. 1:02:04 Unknown speaker foundational. um despite you know maybe
  1083. 1:02:06 Unknown speaker being an outside chance of something
  1084. 1:02:09 Unknown speaker being misused um the danger is extreme
  1085. 1:02:13 Unknown speaker if it were to be used that way. So um I
  1086. 1:02:16 Unknown speaker wanted to remind council I wanted to put
  1087. 1:02:18 Unknown speaker some light on the topic and hopefully
  1088. 1:02:21 Unknown speaker we'll be hearing some more interesting
  1089. 1:02:22 Unknown speaker things soon. Thank you.
  1090. 1:02:24 Unknown speaker Thank you Meg Thornbury.
  1091. 1:02:29 Unknown speaker [cough]
  1092. 1:02:30 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  1093. 1:02:33 Unknown speaker Is that the new noise? Okay.
  1094. 1:02:37 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  1095. 1:02:39 Unknown speaker Um, first off, I'm glad to learn that
  1096. 1:02:40 Unknown speaker it's not just my phone that has been
  1097. 1:02:42 Unknown speaker dropping calls and everything. So, um,
  1098. 1:02:44 Unknown speaker thank you for saving my phone's life. It
  1099. 1:02:46 Unknown speaker was getting pretty close there.
  1100. 1:02:48 Unknown speaker Um, so um, but I also, yes, would like
  1101. 1:02:51 Unknown speaker to echo um, our previous thing again.
  1102. 1:02:53 Unknown speaker Thank you so much for um, the ALPR
  1103. 1:02:56 Unknown speaker hesitation for not putting those cameras
  1104. 1:02:58 Unknown speaker up yet. It has been such a delight to
  1105. 1:03:00 Unknown speaker work with you guys. We are so so excited
  1106. 1:03:02 Unknown speaker about the tech board. We have um I think
  1107. 1:03:05 Unknown speaker seven or eight uh members of VGL who
  1108. 1:03:07 Unknown speaker have already applied. Um so we are so
  1109. 1:03:10 Unknown speaker excited. So um you are all invited to
  1110. 1:03:13 Unknown speaker our next everyone here too. Um all
  1111. 1:03:15 Unknown speaker invited to our next social which is
  1112. 1:03:17 Unknown speaker going to be this upcoming Monday from 7
  1113. 1:03:19 Unknown speaker to 9:00 at the St. Brain Cery. Um so we
  1114. 1:03:22 Unknown speaker hope you can come join us there. we are
  1115. 1:03:24 Unknown speaker going to be um continuing to discuss
  1116. 1:03:26 Unknown speaker some potential statewide things that we
  1117. 1:03:28 Unknown speaker could go and support um in addition to
  1118. 1:03:31 Unknown speaker all of the new horrors that arise every
  1119. 1:03:34 Unknown speaker day. Um so please come join us if you
  1120. 1:03:37 Unknown speaker would like. Um the other thing that we
  1121. 1:03:38 Unknown speaker would love to see is a forum um around
  1122. 1:03:41 Unknown speaker these technologies. Um so sort of just
  1123. 1:03:43 Unknown speaker giving people more education um being
  1124. 1:03:46 Unknown speaker able to have more of a discussion. I
  1125. 1:03:48 Unknown speaker think we have a lot of people who have a
  1126. 1:03:50 Unknown speaker lot of feelings and a lot of questions
  1127. 1:03:51 Unknown speaker that they would like answered and this
  1128. 1:03:53 Unknown speaker format is not Q&A. Um, but I think
  1129. 1:03:56 Unknown speaker that's what we really really need. So, I
  1130. 1:03:58 Unknown speaker would really love to see a forum so that
  1131. 1:03:59 Unknown speaker way we can have that conversation. Um,
  1132. 1:04:01 Unknown speaker because I'd also like to really push for
  1133. 1:04:03 Unknown speaker more education around this. Um, the one
  1134. 1:04:05 Unknown speaker that comes to mind is how um, you know,
  1135. 1:04:07 Unknown speaker one of the things that sort of started
  1136. 1:04:08 Unknown speaker this all was the the guy who spray
  1137. 1:04:10 Unknown speaker painted the speed camera because he
  1138. 1:04:12 Unknown speaker thought it was a flock camera. Um and
  1139. 1:04:15 Unknown speaker that my point is to say we should teach
  1140. 1:04:18 Unknown speaker people the differences. People should
  1141. 1:04:19 Unknown speaker know the differences in these
  1142. 1:04:21 Unknown speaker technology. It's in the city's best
  1143. 1:04:23 Unknown speaker interest for people to know the
  1144. 1:04:24 Unknown speaker differences in these technologies. Um so
  1145. 1:04:27 Unknown speaker we would love to collaborate on an
  1146. 1:04:29 Unknown speaker educational campaign so that we can make
  1147. 1:04:31 Unknown speaker people more aware of what is out there
  1148. 1:04:33 Unknown speaker and get some of those questions
  1149. 1:04:34 Unknown speaker answered. Um because people tend to act
  1150. 1:04:37 Unknown speaker poorly when they are acting out of
  1151. 1:04:38 Unknown speaker uncertainty. Um, so we would love to
  1152. 1:04:40 Unknown speaker have just more transparency and like
  1153. 1:04:42 Unknown speaker honestly just a portal that would be
  1154. 1:04:44 Unknown speaker like, okay, what's what cameras are at
  1155. 1:04:46 Unknown speaker this intersection? When I'm at this
  1156. 1:04:47 Unknown speaker intersection and I'm looking there, it's
  1157. 1:04:49 Unknown speaker that little black round one, but when
  1158. 1:04:51 Unknown speaker I'm in this intersection and I'm looking
  1159. 1:04:52 Unknown speaker over there, it's the weird little box
  1160. 1:04:54 Unknown speaker one. So, just having something that
  1161. 1:04:56 Unknown speaker would be open to here are the different
  1162. 1:04:58 Unknown speaker types of cameras that you see around the
  1163. 1:05:00 Unknown speaker city. I believe the city should have a
  1164. 1:05:02 Unknown speaker list of that and would be able to say,
  1165. 1:05:04 Unknown speaker "Here's all of the cameras that we have.
  1166. 1:05:06 Unknown speaker Not where they are specifically
  1167. 1:05:07 Unknown speaker necessarily, but here are the different
  1168. 1:05:09 Unknown speaker types that are out there so you
  1169. 1:05:11 Unknown speaker understand what they do." Um, so yeah, I
  1170. 1:05:13 Unknown speaker think that that would just be very
  1171. 1:05:14 Unknown speaker mutually beneficial for everybody to
  1172. 1:05:16 Unknown speaker know more about the cameras, identifying
  1173. 1:05:18 Unknown speaker them, understanding them, um, and yeah,
  1174. 1:05:21 Unknown speaker working together to make sure that our
  1175. 1:05:22 Unknown speaker communities stay safe. Thank you.
  1176. 1:05:24 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you. And, um, planning for
  1177. 1:05:26 Unknown speaker a forum is in the works.
  1178. 1:05:30 Unknown speaker Okay, so that was the last name on
  1179. 1:05:32 Unknown speaker public invited to be heard. So with
  1180. 1:05:34 Unknown speaker that, I will close public invited to be
  1181. 1:05:36 Unknown speaker heard. And we are now on to the consent
  1182. 1:05:39 Unknown speaker agenda and introduction by reading but
  1183. 1:05:41 Unknown speaker and reading by title of first reading
  1184. 1:05:43 Unknown speaker ordinances. Uh Crystal, can you read the
  1185. 1:05:46 Unknown speaker consent agenda into the record, please?
  1186. 1:05:48 Unknown speaker Yes, mayor. The second reading and
  1187. 1:05:51 Unknown speaker public hearing for for all ordinances
  1188. 1:05:53 Unknown speaker introduced on this consent agenda will
  1189. 1:05:55 Unknown speaker be held on October 6, 2026.
  1190. 1:06:00 Unknown speaker Item 9A is ordinance 2026-62,
  1191. 1:06:03 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance generally
  1192. 1:06:05 Unknown speaker approving the Dry Creek annexation and
  1193. 1:06:07 Unknown speaker concept plan generally located along
  1194. 1:06:09 Unknown speaker Clover Basin Drive and Airport Road and
  1195. 1:06:11 Unknown speaker zoning the property residential mixed
  1196. 1:06:13 Unknown speaker use, sorry, residential mixed
  1197. 1:06:15 Unknown speaker neighborhood.
  1198. 1:06:17 Unknown speaker Item 9B, Ordinance 2026-63,
  1199. 1:06:21 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance amending chapter
  1200. 1:06:23 Unknown speaker 14.20 20 of the Longmont Municipal Code
  1201. 1:06:26 Unknown speaker concerning on bill financing and
  1202. 1:06:29 Unknown speaker repayment for eligible improvements.
  1203. 1:06:31 Unknown speaker Item 9 C is ordinance 2026-64,
  1204. 1:06:35 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance authorizing a
  1205. 1:06:37 Unknown speaker lease agreement between the city of
  1206. 1:06:39 Unknown speaker Longmont and Growing Gardens for 950
  1207. 1:06:41 Unknown speaker Lashley Street. Item 9D, resolution
  1208. 1:06:45 Unknown speaker 2026-64,
  1209. 1:06:47 Unknown speaker an a resolution of the Longmont City
  1210. 1:06:49 Unknown speaker Council authorizing an agreement between
  1211. 1:06:51 Unknown speaker the city of Longmont and Young Men's
  1212. 1:06:53 Unknown speaker Christian Association of Boulder Valley
  1213. 1:06:56 Unknown speaker doing business as YMCA of Northern
  1214. 1:06:58 Unknown speaker Colorado for the purchase of real
  1215. 1:06:59 Unknown speaker property. Item 9E, resolution 2026-65,
  1216. 1:07:04 Unknown speaker a resolution of the Longmont City
  1217. 1:07:06 Unknown speaker Council approving the lease of certain
  1218. 1:07:08 Unknown speaker areas of the building located at 950
  1219. 1:07:11 Unknown speaker Lashley Street for the purposes of
  1220. 1:07:13 Unknown speaker childc care operations with Young Men's
  1221. 1:07:15 Unknown speaker Christian Association of Boulder Valley
  1222. 1:07:18 Unknown speaker doing business as YMCA of Northern
  1223. 1:07:20 Unknown speaker Colorado.
  1224. 1:07:22 Unknown speaker Item 9F, resolution 2026-66,
  1225. 1:07:26 Unknown speaker a resolution of the Longmont City
  1226. 1:07:28 Unknown speaker Council approving the 2026
  1227. 1:07:30 Unknown speaker intergovernmental agreement between the
  1228. 1:07:32 Unknown speaker city and regional transportation
  1229. 1:07:33 Unknown speaker district for fair reimbursement on the
  1230. 1:07:36 Unknown speaker Longmont local routes and access a ride
  1231. 1:07:38 Unknown speaker services.
  1232. 1:07:40 Unknown speaker Item 9G, resolution 2026-67,
  1233. 1:07:44 Unknown speaker a resolution of the Longmont City
  1234. 1:07:46 Unknown speaker Council approving a cooperative
  1235. 1:07:48 Unknown speaker agreement between the city and the
  1236. 1:07:49 Unknown speaker Longmont Fraternal Order of Police Lodge
  1237. 1:07:52 Unknown speaker 6 for January 1, 2027 through December
  1238. 1:07:55 Unknown speaker 31st, 2028.
  1239. 1:07:58 Unknown speaker Item 9H, resolution 2026-68,
  1240. 1:08:02 Unknown speaker a resolution of the Longmont City
  1241. 1:08:03 Unknown speaker Council approving a cooperative
  1242. 1:08:05 Unknown speaker agreement between the city and Longmont
  1243. 1:08:07 Unknown speaker Professional Firefighters Association,
  1244. 1:08:10 Unknown speaker International Association of
  1245. 1:08:11 Unknown speaker Firefighters Local 1806 for January 1,
  1246. 1:08:16 Unknown speaker 2027 through December 31st, 2028.
  1247. 1:08:21 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um, are there any
  1248. 1:08:23 Unknown speaker councilors who would like to pull agenda
  1249. 1:08:25 Unknown speaker items for um amending or voting it down?
  1250. 1:08:30 Unknown speaker Um,
  1251. 1:08:31 Unknown speaker council member Popkin.
  1252. 1:08:33 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I'd like to pull items
  1253. 1:08:34 Unknown speaker A and B.
  1254. 1:08:36 Unknown speaker Okay.
  1255. 1:08:38 Unknown speaker Um Oh, that [clears throat] was that
  1256. 1:08:39 Unknown speaker one. Okay.
  1257. 1:08:39 Unknown speaker What was that?
  1258. 1:08:39 Unknown speaker That was that A and B, you said.
  1259. 1:08:43 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, would you like to make a
  1260. 1:08:45 Unknown speaker I will motion to approve the consent
  1261. 1:08:46 Unknown speaker agenda with the exception of items 9A
  1262. 1:08:48 Unknown speaker and 9B. Second.
  1263. 1:08:50 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. So, the motion has been made
  1264. 1:08:52 Unknown speaker to approve the consent agenda except
  1265. 1:08:54 Unknown speaker items um A and B. The motion was made by
  1266. 1:08:58 Unknown speaker council member Popkin and um seconded by
  1267. 1:09:01 Unknown speaker Mayor Prom McCoy. Seeing no one in the
  1268. 1:09:04 Unknown speaker queue, let's go ahead and vote.
  1269. 1:09:11 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. We
  1270. 1:09:14 Unknown speaker are now on to um ordinances on second
  1271. 1:09:17 Unknown speaker reading and public hearings on any
  1272. 1:09:19 Unknown speaker matter. um ordinance um 2026-57,
  1273. 1:09:24 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance making
  1274. 1:09:26 Unknown speaker additional appropriations for expenses
  1275. 1:09:28 Unknown speaker and liabilities of the city of Longmont
  1276. 1:09:30 Unknown speaker for the fiscal year beginning in January
  1277. 1:09:33 Unknown speaker 1st, 2026. Are there any questions from
  1278. 1:09:35 Unknown speaker council?
  1279. 1:09:37 Unknown speaker Um okay, seeing none, I will now open
  1280. 1:09:40 Unknown speaker the public hearing for um on ordinance
  1281. 1:09:44 Unknown speaker 2026-57.
  1282. 1:09:47 Unknown speaker And I
  1283. 1:09:49 Unknown speaker Nope, that wasn't for this one. Is there
  1284. 1:09:51 Unknown speaker are there any members of the audience
  1285. 1:09:52 Unknown speaker who wish to speak on this item? Okay, so
  1286. 1:09:55 Unknown speaker seeing none, I will now close public
  1287. 1:09:57 Unknown speaker hearing. May I have a motion to pass and
  1288. 1:09:59 Unknown speaker adopt ordinance 2026-57?
  1289. 1:10:02 Unknown speaker Okay, so [laughter] you guys are killing
  1290. 1:10:04 Unknown speaker me.
  1291. 1:10:06 Unknown speaker They said, yeah.
  1292. 1:10:09 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  1293. 1:10:10 Unknown speaker So, I'm going to assign it. So I I say
  1294. 1:10:13 Unknown speaker that council member Christrist has moved
  1295. 1:10:15 Unknown speaker it [laughter]
  1296. 1:10:17 Unknown speaker has moved the item and it was seconded
  1297. 1:10:18 Unknown speaker by Mayor Prom McCoy.
  1298. 1:10:20 Unknown speaker Okay, seeing no one in the queue, let's
  1299. 1:10:23 Unknown speaker go ahead and vote.
  1300. 1:10:28 Unknown speaker That was hysterical.
  1301. 1:10:31 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. Um
  1302. 1:10:34 Unknown speaker okay. And we are now on to it um item B,
  1303. 1:10:37 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-58,
  1304. 1:10:40 Unknown speaker a bill for an ordinance amending title
  1305. 1:10:42 Unknown speaker two of the Longmont Municipal Code
  1306. 1:10:44 Unknown speaker establishing a technology policy
  1307. 1:10:46 Unknown speaker advisory board. Are there any questions
  1308. 1:10:48 Unknown speaker from council? Okay, seeing none, I will
  1309. 1:10:51 Unknown speaker now open the public hearing on ordinance
  1310. 1:10:53 Unknown speaker 2026-58.
  1311. 1:10:55 Unknown speaker Um I did see Bryce
  1312. 1:10:59 Unknown speaker Shashinka. Is that okay? I got it. Right
  1313. 1:11:02 Unknown speaker on. Come on down.
  1314. 1:11:06 Unknown speaker Good evening, council. Um, Bryce
  1315. 1:11:07 Unknown speaker Chashinka, new resident here. Um, very
  1316. 1:11:10 Unknown speaker pleased to see where we're going with
  1317. 1:11:11 Unknown speaker this. Um, was toss up between whether I
  1318. 1:11:14 Unknown speaker should talk here about the technology
  1319. 1:11:16 Unknown speaker board or back in open uh public.
  1320. 1:11:19 Unknown speaker This is fine. Yes.
  1321. 1:11:20 Unknown speaker Well, I have a specific request for for
  1322. 1:11:22 Unknown speaker council about the board. So, I figured
  1323. 1:11:24 Unknown speaker this would be the right time. Um based
  1324. 1:11:26 Unknown speaker on the budget working session last week,
  1325. 1:11:29 Unknown speaker um there was a lot of discussion over AI
  1326. 1:11:33 Unknown speaker more broadly, not you know, aside from
  1327. 1:11:35 Unknown speaker the ALPR issue. Um so I have some
  1328. 1:11:38 Unknown speaker comments, concerns about that. Um,
  1329. 1:11:40 Unknown speaker [snorts] I'm actually going to thank
  1330. 1:11:42 Unknown speaker first Council Member Arning for bringing
  1331. 1:11:44 Unknown speaker up the issues about what happens uh with
  1332. 1:11:47 Unknown speaker draft one and how it's being used and
  1333. 1:11:50 Unknown speaker then uh Council Member Poppin for
  1334. 1:11:52 Unknown speaker clarifying that even after something
  1335. 1:11:55 Unknown speaker moves to continuing funding annually,
  1336. 1:11:58 Unknown speaker the city council can decide, hey, this
  1337. 1:12:00 Unknown speaker isn't working for us, so we're not going
  1338. 1:12:02 Unknown speaker to fund that going forward. Uh, that was
  1339. 1:12:04 Unknown speaker one of my big concerns, seeing the
  1340. 1:12:06 Unknown speaker budget shift from one place to the
  1341. 1:12:08 Unknown speaker other. Um, I'm actually going to quote
  1342. 1:12:10 Unknown speaker Council Member Mars because he said it
  1343. 1:12:12 Unknown speaker better than I could. Quote, restrict u
  1344. 1:12:15 Unknown speaker the
  1345. 1:12:17 Unknown speaker draft one getting additional scrutiny
  1346. 1:12:20 Unknown speaker because quote it is the only city
  1347. 1:12:22 Unknown speaker department with the ability to restrict
  1348. 1:12:24 Unknown speaker individual liberty um or take it away
  1349. 1:12:26 Unknown speaker fundamentally if AI screws up. I know
  1350. 1:12:30 Unknown speaker one of the big issues that a lot of
  1351. 1:12:31 Unknown speaker people have with draft one was uh you
  1352. 1:12:34 Unknown speaker weren't able to save the initial AI
  1353. 1:12:37 Unknown speaker draft. So, in theory, it's great. We're
  1354. 1:12:40 Unknown speaker transcribing video and it helps because
  1355. 1:12:43 Unknown speaker the officer doesn't need to know
  1356. 1:12:45 Unknown speaker remember everything that happened during
  1357. 1:12:47 Unknown speaker the interaction. I'm all for that, but
  1358. 1:12:50 Unknown speaker AI can make mistakes. Uh, I know that
  1359. 1:12:53 Unknown speaker they have since changed the product, so
  1360. 1:12:56 Unknown speaker the initial AI draft can be retained.
  1361. 1:12:59 Unknown speaker That is default off. So, one of my asks
  1362. 1:13:02 Unknown speaker is that council refer the existing Axon
  1363. 1:13:06 Unknown speaker contract to the technology board for
  1364. 1:13:08 Unknown speaker review and and advice once it's seated.
  1365. 1:13:11 Unknown speaker Uh they can make sure that things are
  1366. 1:13:13 Unknown speaker configured properly so that we have
  1367. 1:13:15 Unknown speaker visibility. Uh [clears throat] and then
  1368. 1:13:18 Unknown speaker the mayor raised the question, if we're
  1369. 1:13:19 Unknown speaker going to give additional scrutiny to one
  1370. 1:13:21 Unknown speaker department, shouldn't that be all
  1371. 1:13:24 Unknown speaker departments in all uses? And that took
  1372. 1:13:26 Unknown speaker me right back to childhood with my
  1373. 1:13:27 Unknown speaker father and my uncle shouting fair is
  1374. 1:13:29 Unknown speaker fair. And it never sat well with me as a
  1375. 1:13:33 Unknown speaker kid. And as an engineer, it doesn't now.
  1376. 1:13:36 Unknown speaker Things are triaged and ranked according
  1377. 1:13:38 Unknown speaker to risk, not universal applicability of
  1378. 1:13:42 Unknown speaker a specific policy. So that's the big
  1379. 1:13:44 Unknown speaker thing that I want to see is that we're
  1380. 1:13:47 Unknown speaker paying due attention where it's
  1381. 1:13:48 Unknown speaker necessary.
  1382. 1:13:51 Unknown speaker Um, and then public safety chief artist
  1383. 1:13:54 Unknown speaker commented, uh, comparing draft 1 to chat
  1384. 1:13:57 Unknown speaker GPT. And
  1385. 1:14:00 Unknown speaker with the with what we know about how
  1386. 1:14:02 Unknown speaker draft one works, I'm not confident that
  1387. 1:14:04 Unknown speaker that's that comparison holds water. Um,
  1388. 1:14:07 Unknown speaker and that you can't see.
  1389. 1:14:09 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Thanks. Um, okay. Do we
  1390. 1:14:13 Unknown speaker have any other members of the audience
  1391. 1:14:15 Unknown speaker wishing to speak? Okay, come on down.
  1392. 1:14:28 Unknown speaker Lance Whitaker, 1750 Collier Street. I
  1393. 1:14:30 Unknown speaker look forward to the uh the u technology
  1394. 1:14:35 Unknown speaker ad policy advisory board. I think it's a
  1395. 1:14:39 Unknown speaker good thing for all of Longmont. And I
  1396. 1:14:41 Unknown speaker think it's actually about time we've had
  1397. 1:14:43 Unknown speaker one. I mean, we've had technology for a
  1398. 1:14:45 Unknown speaker little while anyway. So, it's about time
  1399. 1:14:48 Unknown speaker we got an advisory board to tell us
  1400. 1:14:51 Unknown speaker which way we're actually going with it,
  1401. 1:14:53 Unknown speaker especially with all the advancements in
  1402. 1:14:56 Unknown speaker AG and AIG.
  1403. 1:14:59 Unknown speaker Anyhow, thank you. Have a good day.
  1404. 1:15:01 Unknown speaker Thanks. Thanks. You too. So, okay.
  1405. 1:15:04 Unknown speaker Anybody else? Come on down.
  1406. 1:15:07 Unknown speaker Sorry.
  1407. 1:15:10 Unknown speaker Okay. Go ahead. Okay. I'll make it
  1408. 1:15:12 Unknown speaker quick. Um just for terms of the
  1409. 1:15:14 Unknown speaker selection process of who is on the tech
  1410. 1:15:16 Unknown speaker board. Um our theme throughout this
  1411. 1:15:18 Unknown speaker entire process has been that the people
  1412. 1:15:20 Unknown speaker in the industry trying to sell the
  1413. 1:15:22 Unknown speaker products are really icky and not
  1414. 1:15:24 Unknown speaker truthful. And so I just want to make
  1415. 1:15:26 Unknown speaker sure that when we are in this process we
  1416. 1:15:27 Unknown speaker are making sure that we are having the
  1417. 1:15:28 Unknown speaker people who are the skeptics, the people
  1418. 1:15:30 Unknown speaker who are testing, the people who are the
  1419. 1:15:32 Unknown speaker ethsists. So just making sure that we
  1420. 1:15:34 Unknown speaker are not just getting the salespeople in
  1421. 1:15:37 Unknown speaker those seats but making sure that we have
  1422. 1:15:38 Unknown speaker people who are critical of what's going
  1423. 1:15:40 Unknown speaker on. Um, I think it's just going to be
  1424. 1:15:42 Unknown speaker the the best thing that we can do for
  1425. 1:15:43 Unknown speaker the tech board is we have so many things
  1426. 1:15:45 Unknown speaker and I I hate how much of a like
  1427. 1:15:47 Unknown speaker everything is scary person that I've
  1428. 1:15:49 Unknown speaker been over the last year, but like this
  1429. 1:15:50 Unknown speaker technology is very scary and is very big
  1430. 1:15:53 Unknown speaker in everything. Um, so the reason why
  1431. 1:15:56 Unknown speaker it's so scary and the reason why it gets
  1432. 1:15:57 Unknown speaker so big is because of the profit
  1433. 1:15:59 Unknown speaker incentive in this country. Um, so I just
  1434. 1:16:01 Unknown speaker want to make sure that the board is
  1435. 1:16:03 Unknown speaker aware of that dynamic and keeps that in
  1436. 1:16:05 Unknown speaker mind with um the whole contract process
  1437. 1:16:07 Unknown speaker as well. Thanks.
  1438. 1:16:08 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you. Okay. Seeing no one
  1439. 1:16:11 Unknown speaker else in the audience, I will now close
  1440. 1:16:13 Unknown speaker the public hearing. Uh, may I have a
  1441. 1:16:15 Unknown speaker motion to pass and adopt ordinance
  1442. 1:16:16 Unknown speaker 2026-58.
  1443. 1:16:20 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion has been made by
  1444. 1:16:22 Unknown speaker council member Marcine, seconded by
  1445. 1:16:24 Unknown speaker Wait, was it Oh, it was you.
  1446. 1:16:27 Unknown speaker Good grief. I got to work on my ear. So,
  1447. 1:16:30 Unknown speaker um, so council member Coloffer and
  1448. 1:16:32 Unknown speaker seconded by Mayor Prom McCoy. Um, okay.
  1449. 1:16:35 Unknown speaker Council member Popkin.
  1450. 1:16:38 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um just uh two
  1451. 1:16:40 Unknown speaker comments um before I cast my
  1452. 1:16:42 Unknown speaker enthusiastic vote for for this board. Um
  1453. 1:16:45 Unknown speaker first I think building on some of the
  1454. 1:16:47 Unknown speaker comments we heard from uh the community
  1455. 1:16:49 Unknown speaker on this. I think it's really important
  1456. 1:16:51 Unknown speaker that we're ahead as much as possible on
  1457. 1:16:54 Unknown speaker technology issues. Longmont's
  1458. 1:16:56 Unknown speaker fortunately not chasing a trend with
  1459. 1:16:57 Unknown speaker this board. In fact, we're one of a few
  1460. 1:16:59 Unknown speaker of a small handful of cities nationally
  1461. 1:17:02 Unknown speaker that's building a standing proactive
  1462. 1:17:04 Unknown speaker advisory body on technology policy. Um
  1463. 1:17:06 Unknown speaker these are not just coastal cities. These
  1464. 1:17:08 Unknown speaker are cities like Kansas City, Missouri
  1465. 1:17:09 Unknown speaker and Lafayette, Indiana that are trying
  1466. 1:17:11 Unknown speaker to figure this out, too. Um, they all
  1467. 1:17:14 Unknown speaker have different structures and different
  1468. 1:17:15 Unknown speaker focus areas, but all aim to grapple with
  1469. 1:17:17 Unknown speaker the potential opportunities and the
  1470. 1:17:18 Unknown speaker potential challenges posed by these
  1471. 1:17:20 Unknown speaker emerging technologies. Um, some orient
  1472. 1:17:23 Unknown speaker privacy issues, others on technological
  1473. 1:17:25 Unknown speaker innovation and economic development. But
  1474. 1:17:26 Unknown speaker regardless, this board will help us best
  1475. 1:17:29 Unknown speaker keep up with a fast evolving world to
  1476. 1:17:32 Unknown speaker best protect residents and to protect
  1477. 1:17:33 Unknown speaker our rateayers um as well to the extent
  1478. 1:17:36 Unknown speaker that it involves utility uh technologies
  1479. 1:17:38 Unknown speaker um and identify opportunities for us to
  1480. 1:17:40 Unknown speaker innovate along the way. I don't think
  1481. 1:17:42 Unknown speaker this is inherently about what shouldn't
  1482. 1:17:44 Unknown speaker we do. I think it's also about what
  1483. 1:17:45 Unknown speaker should we do um and to what degree
  1484. 1:17:48 Unknown speaker should we do it. Um, so regardless of
  1485. 1:17:50 Unknown speaker your perspective or personal opinion on
  1486. 1:17:52 Unknown speaker AI, on autonomous vehicles, on whatever
  1487. 1:17:54 Unknown speaker happened at the farmers market in Denver
  1488. 1:17:55 Unknown speaker this past weekend, on camera
  1489. 1:17:57 Unknown speaker technologies, on data centers, uh, data
  1490. 1:17:59 Unknown speaker governance and privacy or other
  1491. 1:18:01 Unknown speaker technologies, I think we can all agree
  1492. 1:18:03 Unknown speaker that the city needs to be, uh, able to
  1493. 1:18:05 Unknown speaker effectively adapt to these changing
  1494. 1:18:07 Unknown speaker technologies outside of our control and
  1495. 1:18:09 Unknown speaker proactive in policym.
  1496. 1:18:11 Unknown speaker So, in that spirit, this should be a
  1497. 1:18:13 Unknown speaker welcome addition to our governance
  1498. 1:18:14 Unknown speaker approach. Um, and this will hope
  1499. 1:18:16 Unknown speaker hopefully make us less less uh uh less
  1500. 1:18:19 Unknown speaker reactive, which uh if we were more
  1501. 1:18:21 Unknown speaker reactive costs more money, costs more
  1502. 1:18:23 Unknown speaker time. So, thank you.
  1503. 1:18:25 Unknown speaker Thank you very much.
  1504. 1:18:26 Unknown speaker Uhhuh. Council member Marcine,
  1505. 1:18:27 Unknown speaker good bill vote. Yes.
  1506. 1:18:29 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. Thank you for keeping it
  1507. 1:18:31 Unknown speaker brief. Let's go ahead and vote.
  1508. 1:18:40 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. We
  1509. 1:18:42 Unknown speaker are now on to item C, ordinance 2026-59.
  1510. 1:18:45 Unknown speaker A bill for an ordinance uh directing
  1511. 1:18:47 Unknown speaker city staff to process an application for
  1512. 1:18:50 Unknown speaker an increase in tap size for the extra
  1513. 1:18:53 Unknown speaker extra territorial water service for
  1514. 1:18:57 Unknown speaker hygiene fire protection and district's
  1515. 1:18:59 Unknown speaker firehouse. Um are there any questions
  1516. 1:19:02 Unknown speaker from council? Okay, seeing none, I will
  1517. 1:19:05 Unknown speaker now open the public hearing on ordinance
  1518. 1:19:07 Unknown speaker 2026-59.
  1519. 1:19:08 Unknown speaker There was no so um there wasn't anyone
  1520. 1:19:10 Unknown speaker signed up on the list. So is there
  1521. 1:19:12 Unknown speaker anyone from the audience who wishes to
  1522. 1:19:14 Unknown speaker speak on this item? Okay, seeing none, I
  1523. 1:19:16 Unknown speaker will close the public hearing. May I
  1524. 1:19:19 Unknown speaker have a motion to pass and adopt
  1525. 1:19:20 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-59?
  1526. 1:19:22 Unknown speaker Okay, so the motion was made by council
  1527. 1:19:24 Unknown speaker member Christ and seconded by Mayor Prom
  1528. 1:19:27 Unknown speaker McCoy. Seeing no one in the queue, let's
  1529. 1:19:29 Unknown speaker go ahead and vote.
  1530. 1:19:38 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously.
  1531. 1:19:41 Unknown speaker We are now on to item D, ordinance
  1532. 1:19:45 Unknown speaker 2026-60, a bill for an ordinance
  1533. 1:19:47 Unknown speaker directing the city staff to process an
  1534. 1:19:49 Unknown speaker application for an additional extr
  1535. 1:19:51 Unknown speaker territorial
  1536. 1:19:52 Unknown speaker uh water service for hygiene fire
  1537. 1:19:55 Unknown speaker protection district and uh fire
  1538. 1:19:57 Unknown speaker suppression system. Are there any
  1539. 1:19:59 Unknown speaker questions from council? Okay, seeing
  1540. 1:20:01 Unknown speaker none, I will now open the public hearing
  1541. 1:20:03 Unknown speaker on ordinance 2026-60.
  1542. 1:20:05 Unknown speaker Again, there was no one signed up, but
  1543. 1:20:07 Unknown speaker is there anyone in the audience who
  1544. 1:20:08 Unknown speaker wishes to speak on this item? Seeing
  1545. 1:20:11 Unknown speaker none, I will now close the public
  1546. 1:20:13 Unknown speaker hearing. May I have a motion to pass and
  1547. 1:20:14 Unknown speaker adopt ordinance 2026-60? So,
  1548. 1:20:17 Unknown speaker okay. So, the motion has been made by
  1549. 1:20:19 Unknown speaker Mayor Prom to pass and adopt ordinance
  1550. 1:20:21 Unknown speaker 2026-60. And it was seconded by council
  1551. 1:20:24 Unknown speaker member Christ. Uh, seeing no one in the
  1552. 1:20:26 Unknown speaker queue, let's go ahead and vote.
  1553. 1:20:33 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. We
  1554. 1:20:35 Unknown speaker are now on to item E,
  1555. 1:20:38 Unknown speaker a um 20 ordinance 2026-61, a bill for an
  1556. 1:20:42 Unknown speaker ordinance authorizing the consent uh to
  1557. 1:20:46 Unknown speaker Vance Brand Municipal Airport lease
  1558. 1:20:47 Unknown speaker assignment for hangar parcel H33D
  1559. 1:20:51 Unknown speaker to KL KM O hangar 38D LLC. Um, do we
  1560. 1:20:57 Unknown speaker have any questions from councel? Seeing
  1561. 1:20:59 Unknown speaker none, I will now open the public hearing
  1562. 1:21:01 Unknown speaker on ordinance 2026-61.
  1563. 1:21:04 Unknown speaker There's no one signed up, but is there
  1564. 1:21:05 Unknown speaker anyone in the audience who wishes to
  1565. 1:21:07 Unknown speaker speak on this item? Okay, seeing none, I
  1566. 1:21:09 Unknown speaker will now close the public hearing. May I
  1567. 1:21:11 Unknown speaker have a motion to pass and adopt
  1568. 1:21:13 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-61?
  1569. 1:21:16 Unknown speaker Okay, the motion has been made by
  1570. 1:21:17 Unknown speaker council member Kuffer and seconded by
  1571. 1:21:19 Unknown speaker council member Christ. Um, seeing no one
  1572. 1:21:23 Unknown speaker in the queue, let's go ahead and vote.
  1573. 1:21:29 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries five to do with
  1574. 1:21:31 Unknown speaker council members McCoy and Marcen in
  1575. 1:21:34 Unknown speaker opposition. Okay. So, we are now on to
  1576. 1:21:37 Unknown speaker items removed from consent agenda. Going
  1577. 1:21:40 Unknown speaker back item A, which is ordinance 2026-62
  1578. 1:21:45 Unknown speaker that was pulled by council member
  1579. 1:21:47 Unknown speaker Popkin. Can you please put your name in
  1580. 1:21:48 Unknown speaker the queue? Thanks.
  1581. 1:21:50 Unknown speaker With pleasure, mayor. Um, all righty. Uh
  1582. 1:21:54 Unknown speaker couple quick comments and then I have
  1583. 1:21:56 Unknown speaker four conditions I would like to offer.
  1584. 1:21:59 Unknown speaker Um
  1585. 1:22:02 Unknown speaker I want to uh first acknowledge so there
  1586. 1:22:05 Unknown speaker were a couple public comments on this
  1587. 1:22:07 Unknown speaker and uh first I want to acknowledge that
  1588. 1:22:09 Unknown speaker in the area at Airport Road and Clover
  1589. 1:22:11 Unknown speaker Basin there were actually two
  1590. 1:22:13 Unknown speaker annexations that were moving forward. Uh
  1591. 1:22:15 Unknown speaker this one is the dry known as the Dry
  1592. 1:22:18 Unknown speaker Creek annexation. The one to the east of
  1593. 1:22:20 Unknown speaker this was known as the Quail Road
  1594. 1:22:21 Unknown speaker annexation which was uh proposed that
  1595. 1:22:24 Unknown speaker was more dense. Um to my knowledge that
  1596. 1:22:26 Unknown speaker is not current there's nothing proposed
  1597. 1:22:27 Unknown speaker in the queue. Am I correct on that
  1598. 1:22:30 Unknown speaker for the Quail Road one?
  1599. 1:22:35 Unknown speaker Oh yeah, turn on your mic.
  1600. 1:22:36 Unknown speaker Nathan Jones uh planning development
  1601. 1:22:38 Unknown speaker services and that is correct. That
  1602. 1:22:39 Unknown speaker application has been withdrawn at this
  1603. 1:22:41 Unknown speaker time I believe.
  1604. 1:22:42 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um so
  1605. 1:22:43 Unknown speaker and that was the one for 310 correct
  1606. 1:22:45 Unknown speaker apartment units.
  1607. 1:22:46 Unknown speaker Correct. So, I just wanted to clarify
  1608. 1:22:47 Unknown speaker that what we're talking about today is
  1609. 1:22:49 Unknown speaker the parcel to the westernmost edge of of
  1610. 1:22:52 Unknown speaker those properties. Uh, that's that's the
  1611. 1:22:54 Unknown speaker dry uh creek annexation. Um, and it's a
  1612. 1:22:57 Unknown speaker mix of single family detached, single
  1613. 1:22:59 Unknown speaker family attached, and small multif family
  1614. 1:23:01 Unknown speaker that's proposed for that. So, just
  1615. 1:23:02 Unknown speaker wanted to to set the record straight on
  1616. 1:23:04 Unknown speaker that so we all know what we're talking
  1617. 1:23:05 Unknown speaker about here tonight. Um secondly, uh I've
  1618. 1:23:09 Unknown speaker been following this one for a while as
  1619. 1:23:10 Unknown speaker leison on to the planning and zoning
  1620. 1:23:12 Unknown speaker commission and have have seen this go
  1621. 1:23:13 Unknown speaker through in multiple parts of the
  1622. 1:23:15 Unknown speaker process. Um the most consistent concern
  1623. 1:23:18 Unknown speaker I've heard from neighbors mostly to the
  1624. 1:23:20 Unknown speaker north of this property is the risks of
  1625. 1:23:23 Unknown speaker cut through traffic um speed and uh kind
  1626. 1:23:27 Unknown speaker of impacts on their neighborhood um
  1627. 1:23:29 Unknown speaker particularly consider it's a majority
  1628. 1:23:30 Unknown speaker senior neighborhood. And I'd also like
  1629. 1:23:32 Unknown speaker to note for those not familiar with the
  1630. 1:23:34 Unknown speaker box elder neighborhood that there are a
  1631. 1:23:35 Unknown speaker lot of sidewalks directly adjacent to
  1632. 1:23:37 Unknown speaker the street without any kind of buffers
  1633. 1:23:38 Unknown speaker or landscaping. Um that also uh tend to
  1634. 1:23:42 Unknown speaker mean people either walking right next to
  1635. 1:23:43 Unknown speaker the street or in the street. Um I know
  1636. 1:23:45 Unknown speaker this is probably not the most unique uh
  1637. 1:23:47 Unknown speaker aspect of that neighborhood um or what
  1638. 1:23:50 Unknown speaker they want to be known for. But I wanted
  1639. 1:23:51 Unknown speaker to bring it up in the context of some of
  1640. 1:23:52 Unknown speaker the traffic and transportation
  1641. 1:23:54 Unknown speaker improvements I intend to suggest here as
  1642. 1:23:56 Unknown speaker conditions. Um recognizing that this is
  1643. 1:23:59 Unknown speaker a legislative that annexation is a
  1644. 1:24:00 Unknown speaker legislative item. Um I I wanted to offer
  1645. 1:24:04 Unknown speaker uh three transportation related
  1646. 1:24:08 Unknown speaker conditions. I'll offer them
  1647. 1:24:09 Unknown speaker individually. Um and then one uh more on
  1648. 1:24:11 Unknown speaker kind of site character and and history.
  1649. 1:24:14 Unknown speaker Uh and for my fellow council members, I
  1650. 1:24:16 Unknown speaker think you all had received some of the
  1651. 1:24:17 Unknown speaker correspondence that I had with staff,
  1652. 1:24:18 Unknown speaker though I've updated the wording a little
  1653. 1:24:19 Unknown speaker bit from there. So uh with that uh I
  1654. 1:24:22 Unknown speaker would like to propose uh condition
  1655. 1:24:25 Unknown speaker number one um that future development
  1656. 1:24:29 Unknown speaker shall implement the recommendations of
  1657. 1:24:31 Unknown speaker the traffic impact study as amended by
  1658. 1:24:33 Unknown speaker updates through the development process
  1659. 1:24:34 Unknown speaker to the maximum extent feasible.
  1660. 1:24:37 Unknown speaker Is that a motion?
  1661. 1:24:38 Unknown speaker Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I guess it would
  1662. 1:24:39 Unknown speaker have to be that. Yeah. Motion to
  1663. 1:24:41 Unknown speaker condition the development. Eugene,
  1664. 1:24:43 Unknown speaker looking at you if that's the correct
  1665. 1:24:44 Unknown speaker language. Motion to amend this to
  1666. 1:24:45 Unknown speaker condition it. I'll take whatever Robert
  1667. 1:24:48 Unknown speaker rule procedure is preferred.
  1668. 1:24:51 Unknown speaker Mayor and Council, Eugene May. Uh, it is
  1669. 1:24:53 Unknown speaker a bill for approving the annexation. I
  1670. 1:24:56 Unknown speaker think we would create a special
  1671. 1:24:58 Unknown speaker conditions section and put your motions
  1672. 1:25:01 Unknown speaker in there.
  1673. 1:25:02 Unknown speaker That's a bill for conditionally
  1674. 1:25:03 Unknown speaker approving this already. So,
  1675. 1:25:05 Unknown speaker yeah. So, we would add
  1676. 1:25:06 Unknown speaker motion to add a condition.
  1677. 1:25:08 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  1678. 1:25:08 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  1679. 1:25:09 Unknown speaker Okay.
  1680. 1:25:09 Unknown speaker Second.
  1681. 1:25:10 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  1682. 1:25:11 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion has been made to
  1683. 1:25:13 Unknown speaker add a condition. Um, made by Council
  1684. 1:25:16 Unknown speaker Member Popkins, seconded by Council
  1685. 1:25:18 Unknown speaker Member Marine.
  1686. 1:25:20 Unknown speaker And I'm looking for the language. Yep.
  1687. 1:25:22 Unknown speaker Just so I could read it.
  1688. 1:25:23 Unknown speaker The language should be coming up. I'll
  1689. 1:25:24 Unknown speaker just elaborate briefly on this. So,
  1690. 1:25:25 Unknown speaker please do.
  1691. 1:25:26 Unknown speaker Um, if you missed this in the like
  1692. 1:25:28 Unknown speaker 600page packet for this item, um, I'll
  1693. 1:25:31 Unknown speaker note that the traffic impact study
  1694. 1:25:32 Unknown speaker actually includes a number of different
  1695. 1:25:33 Unknown speaker recommendations. Um, I thought it best
  1696. 1:25:35 Unknown speaker to not be uh, too specific here or too
  1697. 1:25:38 Unknown speaker narrow such that if more are added as
  1698. 1:25:41 Unknown speaker the development evolves through the
  1699. 1:25:42 Unknown speaker process, those would also be part of
  1700. 1:25:44 Unknown speaker this process um, and considered. So, it
  1701. 1:25:46 Unknown speaker wouldn't be restricted just to those
  1702. 1:25:48 Unknown speaker now. and should meaningful changes
  1703. 1:25:50 Unknown speaker happen to the development, that would be
  1704. 1:25:51 Unknown speaker updated.
  1705. 1:25:52 Unknown speaker Okay.
  1706. 1:25:52 Unknown speaker I will also note that my next two
  1707. 1:25:54 Unknown speaker conditions get much more prescriptive.
  1708. 1:25:55 Unknown speaker Okay.
  1709. 1:25:56 Unknown speaker Um on some transportation related items.
  1710. 1:25:58 Unknown speaker Um Eugene, should we do these vote on
  1711. 1:26:02 Unknown speaker these one at a time? I I my gut is yes.
  1712. 1:26:06 Unknown speaker Separate questions.
  1713. 1:26:07 Unknown speaker Yeah. So, let's do this. Let's vote on
  1714. 1:26:10 Unknown speaker this particular
  1715. 1:26:11 Unknown speaker Yep. um amendment which is to um to add
  1716. 1:26:17 Unknown speaker a future con um add a condition for
  1717. 1:26:19 Unknown speaker future Darn it I lost it. Um future
  1718. 1:26:23 Unknown speaker development shall implement the
  1719. 1:26:25 Unknown speaker recommendations of the traffic impact
  1720. 1:26:26 Unknown speaker study as amended by updates through the
  1721. 1:26:29 Unknown speaker development process to the maximum
  1722. 1:26:31 Unknown speaker extent feasible. Is that okay? That
  1723. 1:26:34 Unknown speaker is exactly right.
  1724. 1:26:34 Unknown speaker Okay, perfect. Um council member Marcen,
  1725. 1:26:37 Unknown speaker do you have a comment on this particular
  1726. 1:26:39 Unknown speaker before we end voting? Go ahead.
  1727. 1:26:44 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I I wanted to just
  1728. 1:26:45 Unknown speaker thank Council Member Popkin for bringing
  1729. 1:26:47 Unknown speaker this forward because this is going to be
  1730. 1:26:48 Unknown speaker one of the specific recommendations that
  1731. 1:26:49 Unknown speaker I had as well. I was going to pull up
  1732. 1:26:51 Unknown speaker what those specific recommendations are,
  1733. 1:26:53 Unknown speaker but I'm not quick enough on my trigger
  1734. 1:26:54 Unknown speaker finger. Um, but the recommendations of
  1735. 1:26:56 Unknown speaker the traffic study, for those that have
  1736. 1:26:58 Unknown speaker not read it, I know many because I
  1737. 1:26:59 Unknown speaker watched the PNZ hearing as well. Um, the
  1738. 1:27:01 Unknown speaker recommendations are precise, they are
  1739. 1:27:03 Unknown speaker prescriptive, and they are strong to
  1740. 1:27:05 Unknown speaker make this a significantly stronger
  1741. 1:27:06 Unknown speaker development. And I think conditioning
  1742. 1:27:07 Unknown speaker annexation on it is a great proposal.
  1743. 1:27:10 Unknown speaker So, thank you for bringing it.
  1744. 1:27:11 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you, Council Member Brito.
  1745. 1:27:14 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, just some
  1746. 1:27:16 Unknown speaker questions for Council Member Pumpkin. I
  1747. 1:27:19 Unknown speaker just want to make sure as council
  1748. 1:27:20 Unknown speaker members, we're not dictating
  1749. 1:27:26 Unknown speaker getting into the details here and really
  1750. 1:27:29 Unknown speaker allowing staff to make sure that, you
  1751. 1:27:33 Unknown speaker know, we're looking at the traffic
  1752. 1:27:35 Unknown speaker study, we're looking at implementing all
  1753. 1:27:37 Unknown speaker of the recommendations if possible, and
  1754. 1:27:40 Unknown speaker that it's so I'm just trying to figure
  1755. 1:27:42 Unknown speaker out um your motion here and if it's I
  1756. 1:27:48 Unknown speaker guess appropriate.
  1757. 1:27:50 Unknown speaker in this space right now. I I would I
  1758. 1:27:53 Unknown speaker would assume that staff is already going
  1759. 1:27:55 Unknown speaker to do this and we don't have to require
  1760. 1:27:59 Unknown speaker this. Um, and you know, as we think
  1761. 1:28:01 Unknown speaker about like our positions as council
  1762. 1:28:03 Unknown speaker members versus staff really being the
  1763. 1:28:06 Unknown speaker drivers and implementators
  1764. 1:28:08 Unknown speaker in these projects and, you know, getting
  1765. 1:28:11 Unknown speaker too prescriptive and I'm guilty of the
  1766. 1:28:13 Unknown speaker crime. And so that's why I'm bringing it
  1767. 1:28:14 Unknown speaker up because, you know, making sure we're
  1768. 1:28:16 Unknown speaker not getting too much into the details,
  1769. 1:28:18 Unknown speaker which is not our um, role.
  1770. 1:28:21 Unknown speaker And then, Council Member Prito, um,
  1771. 1:28:23 Unknown speaker rather than having a back and forth, can
  1772. 1:28:25 Unknown speaker you name all your questions?
  1773. 1:28:28 Unknown speaker Get writing. Council member Popkin and
  1774. 1:28:30 Unknown speaker then so he can just answer those. So you
  1775. 1:28:33 Unknown speaker would go, he would go and then we're
  1776. 1:28:34 Unknown speaker done.
  1777. 1:28:36 Unknown speaker My question that I just asked now
  1778. 1:28:38 Unknown speaker that one and other questions you have.
  1779. 1:28:40 Unknown speaker So all your questions that you have.
  1780. 1:28:42 Unknown speaker That's it.
  1781. 1:28:43 Unknown speaker Oh, that was it. Okay. Well then, there
  1782. 1:28:45 Unknown speaker we go. So I'm going to go ahead and pass
  1783. 1:28:47 Unknown speaker that back to Council Member Popkin.
  1784. 1:28:49 Unknown speaker Thank you. Because you said you had a
  1785. 1:28:51 Unknown speaker few questions.
  1786. 1:28:52 Unknown speaker I think she bundled them. Um with
  1787. 1:28:53 Unknown speaker pleasure. With pleasure. So, um I I
  1788. 1:28:56 Unknown speaker actually do want to get into the weeds
  1789. 1:28:57 Unknown speaker for this, pardon the pun since we
  1790. 1:28:59 Unknown speaker discussed that earlier. Um the
  1791. 1:29:02 Unknown speaker this is so in the annexation process, my
  1792. 1:29:05 Unknown speaker understanding and and how I look at this
  1793. 1:29:07 Unknown speaker is this is the time when we are annexing
  1794. 1:29:09 Unknown speaker where conditions from the legislative
  1795. 1:29:12 Unknown speaker decision and bench that we serve um is
  1796. 1:29:14 Unknown speaker really uh imperative um to set the
  1797. 1:29:17 Unknown speaker parameters for this. Now, uh there are
  1798. 1:29:19 Unknown speaker the concept plan. It's important for for
  1799. 1:29:21 Unknown speaker council and for everyone here to
  1800. 1:29:23 Unknown speaker understand that the concept plan is the
  1801. 1:29:25 Unknown speaker binding piece of the application um at
  1802. 1:29:28 Unknown speaker this time and it's usually somewhat
  1803. 1:29:30 Unknown speaker broad because a lot of things can change
  1804. 1:29:32 Unknown speaker now and and so the conditions that I'm
  1805. 1:29:34 Unknown speaker offering here are more on the the
  1806. 1:29:36 Unknown speaker infrastructure or transportation
  1807. 1:29:38 Unknown speaker boundaries here based on the concerns
  1808. 1:29:39 Unknown speaker that I have heard from residents um over
  1809. 1:29:42 Unknown speaker time and um with with few exceptions are
  1810. 1:29:45 Unknown speaker not micromanaging the development
  1811. 1:29:47 Unknown speaker process and more kind of helping set the
  1812. 1:29:48 Unknown speaker boundaries in terms of potential
  1813. 1:29:50 Unknown speaker adverse impacts on the community.
  1814. 1:29:53 Unknown speaker Okay.
  1815. 1:29:54 Unknown speaker And I've cleared these with staff.
  1816. 1:29:55 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um, Council Member
  1817. 1:29:57 Unknown speaker Kulkoffer,
  1818. 1:29:59 Unknown speaker thank you, Mayor. Um, and I absolutely
  1819. 1:30:01 Unknown speaker agree that this is the right time to do
  1820. 1:30:02 Unknown speaker it versus later second reading because
  1821. 1:30:05 Unknown speaker that's when things get a little sloppy.
  1822. 1:30:06 Unknown speaker Um, and this is the time for us to put
  1823. 1:30:09 Unknown speaker our thumb on the scale of what we hear
  1824. 1:30:10 Unknown speaker from residents and making sure that
  1825. 1:30:13 Unknown speaker future development does fit in with the
  1826. 1:30:15 Unknown speaker community and us listening to the
  1827. 1:30:18 Unknown speaker feedback from the residents that are
  1828. 1:30:19 Unknown speaker going to be impacted by this. This is
  1829. 1:30:21 Unknown speaker the time that we actually help the
  1830. 1:30:22 Unknown speaker residents by putting in the things that
  1831. 1:30:25 Unknown speaker will benefit them. So, I'm a I'm a guest
  1832. 1:30:27 Unknown speaker for this. Thank you.
  1833. 1:30:29 Unknown speaker Yes. And thank you for pointing that
  1834. 1:30:30 Unknown speaker out. uh you know I think over the years
  1835. 1:30:33 Unknown speaker where I've learned you know the referral
  1836. 1:30:35 Unknown speaker for annexation the actual annexation all
  1837. 1:30:38 Unknown speaker the conditions that we are um that that
  1838. 1:30:42 Unknown speaker are permissible during this time and I
  1839. 1:30:44 Unknown speaker feel that this adding these conditions
  1840. 1:30:46 Unknown speaker is very appropriate at this time because
  1841. 1:30:49 Unknown speaker this is really the only time that city
  1842. 1:30:51 Unknown speaker council will be able to weigh in and it
  1843. 1:30:54 Unknown speaker actually does a disservice to the
  1844. 1:30:57 Unknown speaker developer if we withhold and don't set
  1845. 1:31:00 Unknown speaker up like this is this is what we expect
  1846. 1:31:04 Unknown speaker the set up those expectations and guard
  1847. 1:31:06 Unknown speaker rails. So then they're developing
  1848. 1:31:08 Unknown speaker according to those conditions rather
  1849. 1:31:11 Unknown speaker than having them develop put the money
  1850. 1:31:13 Unknown speaker in all the effort and then come back to
  1851. 1:31:15 Unknown speaker us and say n you know what that's not
  1852. 1:31:17 Unknown speaker really going to work for us so we vote
  1853. 1:31:19 Unknown speaker it down and where they've already
  1854. 1:31:20 Unknown speaker invested that money. So in where
  1855. 1:31:23 Unknown speaker annexations are a little different than
  1856. 1:31:25 Unknown speaker other um policies and um that we pass on
  1857. 1:31:29 Unknown speaker consent agendas. second second here, our
  1858. 1:31:32 Unknown speaker second item. Um, this this is very
  1859. 1:31:35 Unknown speaker appropriate at this time to add those
  1860. 1:31:37 Unknown speaker guardrails. So, that's I will be
  1861. 1:31:39 Unknown speaker supporting this as well. Um, Council
  1862. 1:31:41 Unknown speaker Member Marcen,
  1863. 1:31:43 Unknown speaker thank you, Mayor. I'll be quick. You
  1864. 1:31:44 Unknown speaker know, I don't know about anybody else on
  1865. 1:31:46 Unknown speaker this council, but I hear a lot about
  1866. 1:31:47 Unknown speaker apartment development up here, and I
  1867. 1:31:50 Unknown speaker think we heard a lot about it on the
  1868. 1:31:51 Unknown speaker campaign, and I see some folks that I
  1869. 1:31:53 Unknown speaker talked to during the course of the
  1870. 1:31:54 Unknown speaker campaign who have issues. Uh, and what I
  1871. 1:31:56 Unknown speaker said over and over again in the last
  1872. 1:31:57 Unknown speaker year, and I think you know, we all said
  1873. 1:31:59 Unknown speaker something similar, is we as a council do
  1874. 1:32:01 Unknown speaker not have very many opportunities to
  1875. 1:32:03 Unknown speaker actually talk to the development
  1876. 1:32:04 Unknown speaker community about what we're looking for.
  1877. 1:32:06 Unknown speaker So, when those opportunities come up, we
  1878. 1:32:07 Unknown speaker have to take advantage of them. This is
  1879. 1:32:09 Unknown speaker that opportunity. This is the only shot
  1880. 1:32:11 Unknown speaker that we've got to be choosy about what
  1881. 1:32:13 Unknown speaker we annex into our city and what we bring
  1882. 1:32:15 Unknown speaker into Longmont. Um, so I just wanted to
  1883. 1:32:17 Unknown speaker to kind of make that broader point
  1884. 1:32:18 Unknown speaker because to Council Member Ped's credit,
  1885. 1:32:20 Unknown speaker this is the I think this is the first
  1886. 1:32:21 Unknown speaker annexation that this council has seen.
  1887. 1:32:23 Unknown speaker Yes.
  1888. 1:32:23 Unknown speaker Of this type. Yeah. Um, so yeah, these
  1889. 1:32:26 Unknown speaker are, you know, I don't think anybody's
  1890. 1:32:28 Unknown speaker looking to go specifically into the
  1891. 1:32:29 Unknown speaker weeds on, you know, how, you know, what
  1892. 1:32:31 Unknown speaker kind of roof design the developer can
  1893. 1:32:32 Unknown speaker use. Yeah, this is about these are the
  1894. 1:32:34 Unknown speaker conditions that the community is
  1895. 1:32:36 Unknown speaker requesting of us and we move forward and
  1896. 1:32:37 Unknown speaker bring them in under these conditions.
  1897. 1:32:39 Unknown speaker Um, yeah, I I I'm excited about this,
  1898. 1:32:41 Unknown speaker but we'll get to that later. I think
  1899. 1:32:43 Unknown speaker this is a reasonable proposal. Um, I was
  1900. 1:32:45 Unknown speaker going to look up for the traffic
  1901. 1:32:46 Unknown speaker recommendations again, but I can't find
  1902. 1:32:47 Unknown speaker them. So, thanks.
  1903. 1:32:49 Unknown speaker That's all right. Um, Council Member
  1904. 1:32:50 Unknown speaker Prietto.
  1905. 1:32:52 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. And uh thank you
  1906. 1:32:54 Unknown speaker council member Popkin and and my fellow
  1907. 1:32:56 Unknown speaker council members for clarifying what this
  1908. 1:32:59 Unknown speaker process looks like and it is my first
  1909. 1:33:01 Unknown speaker and so that's really good to know. Um
  1910. 1:33:04 Unknown speaker and so I was just curious if staff could
  1911. 1:33:06 Unknown speaker speak on that too like had council
  1912. 1:33:09 Unknown speaker member Popkin not brought this forward
  1913. 1:33:11 Unknown speaker today would we not be implementing some
  1914. 1:33:15 Unknown speaker of the recommendations in the
  1915. 1:33:16 Unknown speaker transportation study? I'm just trying to
  1916. 1:33:18 Unknown speaker understand the process a little bit
  1917. 1:33:19 Unknown speaker better.
  1918. 1:33:25 Unknown speaker I can defer to the engineers uh for more
  1919. 1:33:27 Unknown speaker details, but just at a high level uh we
  1920. 1:33:30 Unknown speaker have read through some of the uh
  1921. 1:33:32 Unknown speaker conditions that are going to be proposed
  1922. 1:33:34 Unknown speaker this evening and from a uh just from the
  1923. 1:33:36 Unknown speaker standpoint of how the uh conditions are
  1924. 1:33:38 Unknown speaker structured, what they mean, uh we don't
  1925. 1:33:41 Unknown speaker have any concerns with them. Um and we
  1926. 1:33:43 Unknown speaker also don't have any concerns with u you
  1927. 1:33:45 Unknown speaker as a approving body adding any
  1928. 1:33:48 Unknown speaker conditions of approval that you'd like
  1929. 1:33:49 Unknown speaker at this time. Um the applicant is here
  1930. 1:33:51 Unknown speaker as well and we'll be able to speak to
  1931. 1:33:53 Unknown speaker whether or not they're um supportive or
  1932. 1:33:56 Unknown speaker have any concerns of those additional
  1933. 1:33:57 Unknown speaker conditions. Um as [clears throat] if
  1934. 1:34:00 Unknown speaker this is annexed and um as it moves
  1935. 1:34:02 Unknown speaker through the development process, if
  1936. 1:34:04 Unknown speaker there are any um issues that arise
  1937. 1:34:07 Unknown speaker through platting or site planning uh
  1938. 1:34:09 Unknown speaker that would require us to look at these
  1939. 1:34:11 Unknown speaker conditions again to see whether or not
  1940. 1:34:13 Unknown speaker they um are um in line with something
  1941. 1:34:17 Unknown speaker feasible at the time of development. we
  1942. 1:34:19 Unknown speaker would bring the item back to you and
  1943. 1:34:21 Unknown speaker present that issue to you at at some
  1944. 1:34:23 Unknown speaker point in the future. So, you would have
  1945. 1:34:25 Unknown speaker an opportunity in the future to look at
  1946. 1:34:26 Unknown speaker it again, determine whether or not you
  1947. 1:34:28 Unknown speaker wanted to uh maintain that standard or
  1948. 1:34:30 Unknown speaker wave it once we get more um information
  1949. 1:34:33 Unknown speaker on what the development will actually be
  1950. 1:34:35 Unknown speaker in the future. So, with that, I'll defer
  1951. 1:34:37 Unknown speaker to Josh Sherman.
  1952. 1:34:47 Unknown speaker Good evening, [clears throat] mayor,
  1953. 1:34:48 Unknown speaker members of council. Uh Josh Sherman,
  1954. 1:34:50 Unknown speaker engineering administrator with public
  1955. 1:34:51 Unknown speaker works. Um so to address the question,
  1956. 1:34:54 Unknown speaker yes, we would expect that any of the um
  1957. 1:34:56 Unknown speaker recommendations that are presented in a
  1958. 1:34:58 Unknown speaker traffic study be implemented when the
  1959. 1:35:00 Unknown speaker project moves forward to final design
  1960. 1:35:02 Unknown speaker and construction. Um I think as council
  1961. 1:35:05 Unknown speaker member Pomona noted on a concept plan,
  1962. 1:35:07 Unknown speaker it's at a little bit higher level, a
  1963. 1:35:09 Unknown speaker little broader. So, um, some of those
  1964. 1:35:11 Unknown speaker recommendations aren't reflected, um, in
  1965. 1:35:13 Unknown speaker that level of detail on the concept
  1966. 1:35:15 Unknown speaker plan, but that's why the traffic
  1967. 1:35:17 Unknown speaker [clears throat] studies included with
  1968. 1:35:18 Unknown speaker the entire packet.
  1969. 1:35:20 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you.
  1970. 1:35:21 Unknown speaker You're welcome.
  1971. 1:35:22 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, Council Member Christ.
  1972. 1:35:25 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Uh, thank you,
  1973. 1:35:28 Unknown speaker Councelor Pumpkin, for bringing this
  1974. 1:35:30 Unknown speaker forward. I have transportation issues as
  1975. 1:35:32 Unknown speaker well. Uh, one of the things that the
  1976. 1:35:35 Unknown speaker traffic study mentioned is they're
  1977. 1:35:36 Unknown speaker expecting 864
  1978. 1:35:38 Unknown speaker trips per day um, just from this
  1979. 1:35:41 Unknown speaker development. And some of what we've
  1980. 1:35:44 Unknown speaker heard from constituents is how bad the
  1981. 1:35:47 Unknown speaker traffic is at Clover Basin. And if
  1982. 1:35:50 Unknown speaker you've driven down there, you know that
  1983. 1:35:51 Unknown speaker um, that's the truth. Um I'm concerned
  1984. 1:35:56 Unknown speaker that we're not exactly meeting all of
  1985. 1:35:58 Unknown speaker our um policies, but I know that
  1986. 1:36:01 Unknown speaker councelor Pumpkin has more to add. So
  1987. 1:36:03 Unknown speaker I'll I'll let him go through his list
  1988. 1:36:05 Unknown speaker before I I weigh in on this. But um so
  1989. 1:36:09 Unknown speaker I'm I guess what I'm wondering is
  1990. 1:36:12 Unknown speaker do you feel that following all these
  1991. 1:36:16 Unknown speaker suggestions from the traffic study that
  1992. 1:36:18 Unknown speaker it will somehow make 864 trips a day
  1993. 1:36:22 Unknown speaker seem like five to the neighborhood
  1994. 1:36:27 Unknown speaker because I I was not convinced from the
  1995. 1:36:28 Unknown speaker traffic study.
  1996. 1:36:30 Unknown speaker Okay.
  1997. 1:36:32 Unknown speaker The engineer could probably
  1998. 1:36:33 Unknown speaker Okay. Yeah. Could the engineer answer
  1999. 1:36:35 Unknown speaker that? [laughter]
  2000. 1:36:38 Unknown speaker Yeah. Yeah.
  2001. 1:36:40 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  2002. 1:36:41 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, was there staff that wanted to
  2003. 1:36:44 Unknown speaker weigh in on this before I call the next
  2004. 1:36:45 Unknown speaker person?
  2005. 1:36:47 Unknown speaker I'm happy to.
  2006. 1:36:48 Unknown speaker Yeah, go for it, please.
  2007. 1:37:00 Unknown speaker Good [clears throat] evening again. Um
  2008. 1:37:03 Unknown speaker so as a part of uh the estimates that
  2009. 1:37:06 Unknown speaker are provided based on the proposed
  2010. 1:37:08 Unknown speaker development, one of the things that are
  2011. 1:37:10 Unknown speaker evaluated are the impacts on the
  2012. 1:37:11 Unknown speaker existing transportation network. We're
  2013. 1:37:13 Unknown speaker going to look at that proposed access
  2014. 1:37:14 Unknown speaker point um at Clover Basin. Um and it's
  2015. 1:37:19 Unknown speaker been a little while since I read this,
  2016. 1:37:20 Unknown speaker but I have to go back through it again.
  2017. 1:37:21 Unknown speaker They would evaluated what the level of
  2018. 1:37:23 Unknown speaker service is um at that intersection.
  2019. 1:37:25 Unknown speaker Again, one of those specific
  2020. 1:37:26 Unknown speaker recommendations was actually um an
  2021. 1:37:29 Unknown speaker additional right turn lane for westbound
  2022. 1:37:31 Unknown speaker into that proposed public rideway access
  2023. 1:37:33 Unknown speaker point um off of Clover Basin. So, that
  2024. 1:37:35 Unknown speaker was one of the specific uh
  2025. 1:37:37 Unknown speaker recommendations out of the study to deal
  2026. 1:37:38 Unknown speaker with some of that volume of traffic.
  2027. 1:37:41 Unknown speaker [clears throat] Um and then the other
  2028. 1:37:42 Unknown speaker specific recommendation was adjusting
  2029. 1:37:44 Unknown speaker some of the timing at the signal of
  2030. 1:37:46 Unknown speaker airport in Clover Basin um to allow that
  2031. 1:37:49 Unknown speaker signal to continue to operate at an
  2032. 1:37:51 Unknown speaker acceptable level of service. So there
  2033. 1:37:53 Unknown speaker are benchmarks that are looked at based
  2034. 1:37:55 Unknown speaker on the volumes of traffic to ensure that
  2035. 1:37:56 Unknown speaker it is meeting the code and the criteria.
  2036. 1:38:00 Unknown speaker Does that help you? Okay. Um so okay,
  2037. 1:38:03 Unknown speaker thanks. Uh Council Member Popkin.
  2038. 1:38:05 Unknown speaker Yep. Just to respond to Council Member
  2039. 1:38:07 Unknown speaker Chris briefly. Um in addition to what uh
  2040. 1:38:09 Unknown speaker Mr. Sherman shared, um this is not my
  2041. 1:38:11 Unknown speaker only transportation condition and I I
  2042. 1:38:14 Unknown speaker don't think this one is intended to
  2043. 1:38:16 Unknown speaker address the concern the neighborhood
  2044. 1:38:18 Unknown speaker concerns to the north. I have another
  2045. 1:38:19 Unknown speaker one for that.
  2046. 1:38:20 Unknown speaker Okay. So let's move on. Um, so if you
  2047. 1:38:23 Unknown speaker haven't voted yet, please.
  2048. 1:38:26 Unknown speaker Yep. Cast your vote.
  2049. 1:38:34 Unknown speaker Did you need Okay,
  2050. 1:38:36 Unknown speaker you might need to refresh.
  2051. 1:38:38 Unknown speaker Um,
  2052. 1:38:40 Unknown speaker yeah, they were all There was a a
  2053. 1:38:42 Unknown speaker reading on here that had us all recused
  2054. 1:38:44 Unknown speaker and it failed,
  2055. 1:38:45 Unknown speaker but then it refreshed. Okay. [laughter]
  2056. 1:38:48 Unknown speaker Okay, perfect. That carries unanimously.
  2057. 1:38:51 Unknown speaker Okay. So, now we are on to the next
  2058. 1:38:54 Unknown speaker condition. Council member Popkin.
  2059. 1:38:56 Unknown speaker Uh, thank you, Mayor. Um,
  2060. 1:38:59 Unknown speaker I will motion for the next one and then
  2061. 1:39:01 Unknown speaker I would love Can I just clarify? Can
  2062. 1:39:03 Unknown speaker process-wise, can I ask the applicant a
  2063. 1:39:05 Unknown speaker question too during this? We're not in
  2064. 1:39:07 Unknown speaker the public hearing point and I just
  2065. 1:39:08 Unknown speaker don't want to
  2066. 1:39:12 Unknown speaker this is this is more consent. I just
  2067. 1:39:13 Unknown speaker wanted to understand what my options
  2068. 1:39:14 Unknown speaker were. Mayor and council. I mean, I think
  2069. 1:39:17 Unknown speaker if it'll help the deliberations of
  2070. 1:39:19 Unknown speaker council, a question would be
  2071. 1:39:21 Unknown speaker appropriate. I would not want to just
  2072. 1:39:24 Unknown speaker open it up willy-nilly.
  2073. 1:39:26 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  2074. 1:39:27 Unknown speaker Okay. Um I'll propose the motion the
  2075. 1:39:31 Unknown speaker Okay. Uh I'd like to make a motion to
  2076. 1:39:33 Unknown speaker add a condition uh which would be future
  2077. 1:39:36 Unknown speaker site development shall incorporate an
  2078. 1:39:37 Unknown speaker on-site publicly accessible bike share
  2079. 1:39:40 Unknown speaker option compat compatible with our
  2080. 1:39:42 Unknown speaker current system as part of the final
  2081. 1:39:43 Unknown speaker multimmoal plan. Second.
  2082. 1:39:46 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion has been made to
  2083. 1:39:49 Unknown speaker add a sec a second condition for
  2084. 1:39:51 Unknown speaker multimold plan. That's what I got. Um,
  2085. 1:39:54 Unknown speaker and it was sec uh made by council member
  2086. 1:39:56 Unknown speaker Popkins, seconded by uh Mayor Prom
  2087. 1:39:58 Unknown speaker McCoy.
  2088. 1:40:00 Unknown speaker Go ahead.
  2089. 1:40:01 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um I I offer this not to be
  2090. 1:40:03 Unknown speaker overly prescriptive on the concept plan
  2091. 1:40:05 Unknown speaker um but because I think this is a
  2092. 1:40:06 Unknown speaker beneficial addition to not just a new
  2093. 1:40:09 Unknown speaker development but also at a corner that is
  2094. 1:40:11 Unknown speaker adjacent from other commercial and
  2095. 1:40:13 Unknown speaker residential. Um, and we are fortunate
  2096. 1:40:15 Unknown speaker that we are just implementing uh the
  2097. 1:40:17 Unknown speaker BCycle bike share this as of this
  2098. 1:40:19 Unknown speaker summer. And how we expand that is still
  2099. 1:40:22 Unknown speaker kind of a TBD. We're still figuring out
  2100. 1:40:24 Unknown speaker how we're going to uh expand that. This
  2101. 1:40:26 Unknown speaker is an opportunity where this actually
  2102. 1:40:28 Unknown speaker they're required to have a multimodal
  2103. 1:40:29 Unknown speaker plan. There are only so many options
  2104. 1:40:31 Unknown speaker that um a developer has in you know more
  2105. 1:40:35 Unknown speaker kind of suburban parts of our community.
  2106. 1:40:37 Unknown speaker Um yes, there's a bus line, but that
  2107. 1:40:39 Unknown speaker doesn't hit a lot of boxes for you know
  2108. 1:40:41 Unknown speaker everyone. And this provides another
  2109. 1:40:42 Unknown speaker option that is integrated with our other
  2110. 1:40:44 Unknown speaker system. Um, this is also actually
  2111. 1:40:46 Unknown speaker recommended in the traffic study. Um,
  2112. 1:40:49 Unknown speaker though I'm not sure how explicit like
  2113. 1:40:51 Unknown speaker how definitive that is because it wasn't
  2114. 1:40:53 Unknown speaker in the executive summary. It was on page
  2115. 1:40:56 Unknown speaker uh is under multimodal options under
  2116. 1:40:58 Unknown speaker page five where it says provide on-site
  2117. 1:40:59 Unknown speaker options for bicycle and or scooter share
  2118. 1:41:02 Unknown speaker stations. I don't think the scooter
  2119. 1:41:04 Unknown speaker share really applies here. So that was
  2120. 1:41:05 Unknown speaker more of a broad condition. That's why I
  2121. 1:41:06 Unknown speaker wanted to offer it specifically.
  2122. 1:41:09 Unknown speaker Okay. and and necessary at this point
  2123. 1:41:11 Unknown speaker because the concept plan um I think it's
  2124. 1:41:14 Unknown speaker useful for the developer to plan with
  2125. 1:41:16 Unknown speaker that in mind from a site layout
  2126. 1:41:17 Unknown speaker standpoint.
  2127. 1:41:18 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. U council member
  2128. 1:41:19 Unknown speaker Colopper.
  2129. 1:41:20 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. I'm so glad our
  2130. 1:41:22 Unknown speaker transportation staff are here.
  2131. 1:41:23 Unknown speaker [laughter] Um so I'm looking at the the
  2132. 1:41:25 Unknown speaker Google maps and the corner of Clover
  2133. 1:41:27 Unknown speaker Basin and then airport. There's a
  2134. 1:41:29 Unknown speaker there's two bus stops kind of in that
  2135. 1:41:31 Unknown speaker area for it's for the 324. Does anybody
  2136. 1:41:34 Unknown speaker know um what other bus routes are
  2137. 1:41:36 Unknown speaker planned for that area? And I think Cammy
  2138. 1:41:39 Unknown speaker has an answer.
  2139. 1:41:43 Unknown speaker She will confirm quickly. So I will I
  2140. 1:41:46 Unknown speaker don't need to talking after that. So if
  2141. 1:41:48 Unknown speaker when she has the answer, if she can just
  2142. 1:41:50 Unknown speaker come down.
  2143. 1:41:50 Unknown speaker Okay. If you can Yeah, just come down.
  2144. 1:41:52 Unknown speaker And then um Council Member Christ.
  2145. 1:41:57 Unknown speaker Thank you again, Mayor. And um thank you
  2146. 1:42:00 Unknown speaker also again councelor Popkin because uh
  2147. 1:42:03 Unknown speaker one of the things that I was worried
  2148. 1:42:05 Unknown speaker about when we look at our envision
  2149. 1:42:06 Unknown speaker Longmont comprehensive plan our policy
  2150. 1:42:09 Unknown speaker 1.18 says that development can easily be
  2151. 1:42:13 Unknown speaker accessed on foot by bike or using public
  2152. 1:42:16 Unknown speaker transportation or transit. Um and I
  2153. 1:42:19 Unknown speaker wanted to remark that
  2154. 1:42:22 Unknown speaker there weren't any bike shares there. And
  2155. 1:42:24 Unknown speaker what we're having is on at the corner
  2156. 1:42:27 Unknown speaker there of Clover Basin is we're having um
  2157. 1:42:29 Unknown speaker some concerns about emotos because I
  2158. 1:42:31 Unknown speaker think it's hard for kids to get around
  2159. 1:42:32 Unknown speaker there just on regular bikes. Um so I too
  2160. 1:42:37 Unknown speaker was concerned that we needed to add more
  2161. 1:42:40 Unknown speaker transportation there or it didn't
  2162. 1:42:41 Unknown speaker properly access transportation at this
  2163. 1:42:43 Unknown speaker time. Um so I've hope I've talked long
  2164. 1:42:48 Unknown speaker enough for her to confirm what else is
  2165. 1:42:49 Unknown speaker going [laughter] going on.
  2166. 1:42:51 Unknown speaker Go to the next person. Um, okay. Thank
  2167. 1:42:54 Unknown speaker you, uh, Council Member Marcy.
  2168. 1:42:57 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Mine is a question for
  2169. 1:42:58 Unknown speaker Cammy as well, so I I I don't want to
  2170. 1:43:02 Unknown speaker give her too much work, so she's got
  2171. 1:43:04 Unknown speaker one. Um, and then I got one other one.
  2172. 1:43:08 Unknown speaker Um,
  2173. 1:43:10 Unknown speaker so,
  2174. 1:43:14 Unknown speaker good evening, Mayor and Council Member
  2175. 1:43:16 Unknown speaker Cammy, and the transportation planner.
  2176. 1:43:18 Unknown speaker Just to confirm, there is a local route
  2177. 1:43:20 Unknown speaker that is going along Nelson further down
  2178. 1:43:22 Unknown speaker that is now realigned to service uh
  2179. 1:43:24 Unknown speaker Silver Creek High School better. So
  2180. 1:43:27 Unknown speaker there will be that that
  2181. 1:43:29 Unknown speaker stop will be maintained. There is no
  2182. 1:43:32 Unknown speaker additional service necessarily planned
  2183. 1:43:33 Unknown speaker for that area as of now. Though we will
  2184. 1:43:36 Unknown speaker be talking later about the discussions
  2185. 1:43:37 Unknown speaker we are having with RTD about potentially
  2186. 1:43:39 Unknown speaker repurposing our 300 series to better
  2187. 1:43:42 Unknown speaker align with community needs. So, it's not
  2188. 1:43:45 Unknown speaker to say that it won't still be up for
  2189. 1:43:46 Unknown speaker discussion and how this might apply not
  2190. 1:43:48 Unknown speaker only with this area but other future
  2191. 1:43:50 Unknown speaker developments as well, but as of now,
  2192. 1:43:52 Unknown speaker nothing official on the books.
  2193. 1:43:54 Unknown speaker Thank you. My question was a se was a
  2194. 1:43:57 Unknown speaker separate one.
  2195. 1:43:57 Unknown speaker Yeah. So, go ahead.
  2196. 1:43:58 Unknown speaker So, and my question Cammy, thank you so
  2197. 1:43:59 Unknown speaker much for that. Um, I know the bike share
  2198. 1:44:02 Unknown speaker program is is fairly new in process. Um,
  2199. 1:44:06 Unknown speaker can you speak to how successful it's
  2200. 1:44:07 Unknown speaker been, how it's going, that kind of
  2201. 1:44:09 Unknown speaker thing, usage rate? I hear there's some
  2202. 1:44:11 Unknown speaker difference between the one day rate
  2203. 1:44:12 Unknown speaker versus the longer. Just can you speak a
  2204. 1:44:15 Unknown speaker little bit about what we're seeing from
  2205. 1:44:17 Unknown speaker that thus far?
  2206. 1:44:17 Unknown speaker Sure. Yeah. And right now we do, as you
  2207. 1:44:20 Unknown speaker all are aware and we've presented before
  2208. 1:44:21 Unknown speaker to you and to and to tab, there are a
  2209. 1:44:24 Unknown speaker limited number of stations in Longmont
  2210. 1:44:25 Unknown speaker to start with the starter grant we have.
  2211. 1:44:27 Unknown speaker We have six stations currently with the
  2212. 1:44:29 Unknown speaker idea that we would need many more to
  2213. 1:44:31 Unknown speaker cover all of Longmont. Um, right now our
  2214. 1:44:34 Unknown speaker most popular site is at Rogers Grove. So
  2215. 1:44:37 Unknown speaker those I think who are trying it out for
  2216. 1:44:38 Unknown speaker recreational rides, not necessarily
  2217. 1:44:40 Unknown speaker commuter rides, but that also meets our
  2218. 1:44:43 Unknown speaker goals. We wanted people to feel
  2219. 1:44:44 Unknown speaker comfortable to try any bike um for
  2220. 1:44:47 Unknown speaker whatever reason, not necessarily limited
  2221. 1:44:49 Unknown speaker to just commuter rides. Um I think our
  2222. 1:44:51 Unknown speaker next popular station might be 8 and
  2223. 1:44:53 Unknown speaker Kaufman possibly than downtown. So
  2224. 1:44:55 Unknown speaker definitely different uses going on. And
  2225. 1:44:59 Unknown speaker as um council member Pockin mentioned
  2226. 1:45:02 Unknown speaker the regional partnership that has
  2227. 1:45:04 Unknown speaker launched regional ebike share where
  2228. 1:45:05 Unknown speaker Longan is just one of six communities
  2229. 1:45:07 Unknown speaker adding bike share sort of all at the
  2230. 1:45:09 Unknown speaker same time with the idea that they would
  2231. 1:45:11 Unknown speaker connect to each other have your local
  2232. 1:45:13 Unknown speaker service and connect regionally where
  2233. 1:45:15 Unknown speaker about half of the communities are
  2234. 1:45:17 Unknown speaker launched not all of them. And right now
  2235. 1:45:19 Unknown speaker the daily rate is pretty expensive. It's
  2236. 1:45:21 Unknown speaker 735 I believe for a half an hour ride.
  2237. 1:45:24 Unknown speaker The idea is that most people would end
  2238. 1:45:26 Unknown speaker up getting a monthly pass or have a pass
  2239. 1:45:29 Unknown speaker subsidized by their employer. So part of
  2240. 1:45:31 Unknown speaker their TDM plans, transportation demand
  2241. 1:45:33 Unknown speaker management plans. So looking at
  2242. 1:45:35 Unknown speaker affordability is definitely something
  2243. 1:45:36 Unknown speaker the partnership is discussing through
  2244. 1:45:38 Unknown speaker next. We're just getting through
  2245. 1:45:39 Unknown speaker launches with the idea that we would
  2246. 1:45:41 Unknown speaker come follow right after we get through
  2247. 1:45:43 Unknown speaker launch the sustainability of all of
  2248. 1:45:45 Unknown speaker these programs as well as growth of all
  2249. 1:45:47 Unknown speaker of these programs.
  2250. 1:45:48 Unknown speaker Thank thank you Cammy. And then I have
  2251. 1:45:50 Unknown speaker one additional question and it's either
  2252. 1:45:51 Unknown speaker mayor for the for council member Pacquin
  2253. 1:45:54 Unknown speaker or potentially for staff would because
  2254. 1:45:55 Unknown speaker there's a cost associated with the
  2255. 1:45:57 Unknown speaker installation of the bike share station
  2256. 1:45:58 Unknown speaker in your thinking would that be I mean if
  2257. 1:46:01 Unknown speaker we say shall it has to be there right in
  2258. 1:46:04 Unknown speaker your thinking the developer could do
  2259. 1:46:06 Unknown speaker lots of different ways to get there but
  2260. 1:46:07 Unknown speaker would your intention be that the
  2261. 1:46:08 Unknown speaker developer pays for the cost of the bike
  2262. 1:46:10 Unknown speaker share installation that they seek a
  2263. 1:46:12 Unknown speaker partnership I mean if if the developer
  2264. 1:46:14 Unknown speaker were here to ask you that question how
  2265. 1:46:16 Unknown speaker would you how would you answer it if
  2266. 1:46:17 Unknown speaker that's okay mayor
  2267. 1:46:19 Unknown speaker and either and the staff has a thought
  2268. 1:46:20 Unknown speaker on how that would work too. I'm open to
  2269. 1:46:22 Unknown speaker I'm trying to think, you know, going
  2270. 1:46:24 Unknown speaker back to negotiations, there's will
  2271. 1:46:26 Unknown speaker and shall [clears throat] and I think
  2272. 1:46:29 Unknown speaker shall is shall the more
  2273. 1:46:31 Unknown speaker this is this is Yeah.
  2274. 1:46:32 Unknown speaker Affirm. Yeah. Affirmative. Okay.
  2275. 1:46:35 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  2276. 1:46:36 Unknown speaker And then Yeah. I was trying to Yeah.
  2277. 1:46:38 Unknown speaker Okay. Um Go ahead. Yes. And then I'll
  2278. 1:46:42 Unknown speaker I have a thought. Yeah. Go ahead.
  2279. 1:46:43 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  2280. 1:46:45 Unknown speaker Oh, here I will say this exact topic
  2281. 1:46:48 Unknown speaker will be part of what we're talking about
  2282. 1:46:49 Unknown speaker even with our own local TDM plan as far
  2283. 1:46:52 Unknown speaker as what do we want to ask of either
  2284. 1:46:53 Unknown speaker developers and or employers to help
  2285. 1:46:55 Unknown speaker support multimodal growth within
  2286. 1:46:57 Unknown speaker Longmont. So, this conversation will
  2287. 1:47:00 Unknown speaker continue and be tackled as we develop
  2288. 1:47:01 Unknown speaker our own TDM plan.
  2289. 1:47:03 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2290. 1:47:03 Unknown speaker And the least restrictive is May.
  2291. 1:47:06 Unknown speaker This is a shell.
  2292. 1:47:07 Unknown speaker That's another This is a shall Yeah. As
  2293. 1:47:10 Unknown speaker I understand the condition of approval,
  2294. 1:47:12 Unknown speaker uh it states that the developer shall
  2295. 1:47:14 Unknown speaker participate in a public uh bike share
  2296. 1:47:17 Unknown speaker program. Doesn't limit it to B cycle,
  2297. 1:47:19 Unknown speaker but it does require that they would
  2298. 1:47:21 Unknown speaker participate in some public
  2299. 1:47:24 Unknown speaker uh bike share program as part of their
  2300. 1:47:25 Unknown speaker multimmodal plan. um how what that looks
  2301. 1:47:28 Unknown speaker like um in terms of a funding or cost
  2302. 1:47:31 Unknown speaker share um or if they pay for it outright.
  2303. 1:47:34 Unknown speaker I believe we would uh work with the
  2304. 1:47:36 Unknown speaker developer at the time of when that would
  2305. 1:47:38 Unknown speaker come up which would be at the
  2306. 1:47:39 Unknown speaker preliminary and site planning process uh
  2307. 1:47:41 Unknown speaker to negotiate out those fine details. Uh
  2308. 1:47:44 Unknown speaker we didn't have any concern with this the
  2309. 1:47:46 Unknown speaker way that this language was written
  2310. 1:47:47 Unknown speaker because it is open-ended enough allows
  2311. 1:47:49 Unknown speaker us the opportunity to continue to work
  2312. 1:47:51 Unknown speaker through what that agreement would
  2313. 1:47:52 Unknown speaker actually look like at the end of the
  2314. 1:47:53 Unknown speaker day. Uh but it does provide the
  2315. 1:47:55 Unknown speaker direction to the applicant and to staff
  2316. 1:47:57 Unknown speaker that a participation in some sort of
  2317. 1:47:59 Unknown speaker public bike share program as part of
  2318. 1:48:01 Unknown speaker their final multimmoal plan is required.
  2319. 1:48:03 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2320. 1:48:04 Unknown speaker Last and just a comment to wrap up.
  2321. 1:48:06 Unknown speaker Mayor, thank you. And how far
  2322. 1:48:07 Unknown speaker I three minutes.
  2323. 1:48:09 Unknown speaker Oh yeah. Thank you. I I um I appreciate
  2324. 1:48:12 Unknown speaker that. I really appreciate the spirit of
  2325. 1:48:13 Unknown speaker this of this condition. Um especially
  2326. 1:48:16 Unknown speaker considering what council member Chris
  2327. 1:48:17 Unknown speaker brought in with Envision Longmont. Um
  2328. 1:48:19 Unknown speaker council member PTO's previous point. I I
  2329. 1:48:20 Unknown speaker I do feel it's a it's a tad
  2330. 1:48:23 Unknown speaker overprescriptive
  2331. 1:48:25 Unknown speaker um in terms of the shall language
  2332. 1:48:27 Unknown speaker especially when we don't have the cost
  2333. 1:48:29 Unknown speaker piece fig figured out and we are passing
  2334. 1:48:31 Unknown speaker on a cost like or or a process issue to
  2335. 1:48:33 Unknown speaker the developer and I'm not you know you
  2336. 1:48:36 Unknown speaker know developers can figure stuff out but
  2337. 1:48:39 Unknown speaker um if if we were to consider potentially
  2338. 1:48:42 Unknown speaker hey you will work with us to come up
  2339. 1:48:44 Unknown speaker with a path forward to hopefully get to
  2340. 1:48:47 Unknown speaker rather than a we have to have it um as a
  2341. 1:48:49 Unknown speaker condition of annexation I would be more
  2342. 1:48:51 Unknown speaker comfortable with that with the language
  2343. 1:48:52 Unknown speaker as is. I'm going to be a no vote.
  2344. 1:48:54 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um, council member
  2345. 1:48:56 Unknown speaker Prito,
  2346. 1:48:58 Unknown speaker uh, thank you for your questions,
  2347. 1:49:00 Unknown speaker Marcen, because it helped with some of
  2348. 1:49:02 Unknown speaker mine. So, my initial thought and
  2349. 1:49:05 Unknown speaker question was who's paying for this and
  2350. 1:49:08 Unknown speaker if this is the cost that's taken on by
  2351. 1:49:10 Unknown speaker the city, we are not swimming in bike
  2352. 1:49:11 Unknown speaker share funding and how are we
  2353. 1:49:14 Unknown speaker prioritizing certain locations over
  2354. 1:49:16 Unknown speaker others. Um, I do believe this is a
  2355. 1:49:20 Unknown speaker wonderful idea, but I also want to make
  2356. 1:49:23 Unknown speaker sure that there I do want to highlight
  2357. 1:49:26 Unknown speaker that there's other areas within the city
  2358. 1:49:29 Unknown speaker that may have either more need or are
  2359. 1:49:33 Unknown speaker don't have as much trans transportation
  2360. 1:49:36 Unknown speaker options or maybe there's studies done to
  2361. 1:49:38 Unknown speaker say that they would be more popular. So,
  2362. 1:49:42 Unknown speaker um,
  2363. 1:49:43 Unknown speaker kind of just going with what council
  2364. 1:49:45 Unknown speaker member Marcy said, it it is a bit
  2365. 1:49:47 Unknown speaker prescriptive, I I would definitely be
  2366. 1:49:50 Unknown speaker interested to see if the developer could
  2367. 1:49:53 Unknown speaker provide something like that. Um, and
  2368. 1:49:56 Unknown speaker also just making sure that we're not
  2369. 1:50:00 Unknown speaker adding additional costs because at the
  2370. 1:50:04 Unknown speaker end of the day, the more we add, the
  2371. 1:50:06 Unknown speaker less it takes away from the types of
  2372. 1:50:08 Unknown speaker developments we want to see. Now,
  2373. 1:50:10 Unknown speaker granted, is a bike share station going
  2374. 1:50:13 Unknown speaker to break the bank? I'm not sure. I'm not
  2375. 1:50:16 Unknown speaker the developer penciling that out, but
  2376. 1:50:19 Unknown speaker So, that's good to know. So, the city
  2377. 1:50:21 Unknown speaker would not be paying for this, correct?
  2378. 1:50:23 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, but yeah, if you want to
  2379. 1:50:26 Unknown speaker change the language, Council Member
  2380. 1:50:28 Unknown speaker Popkin, to be a little bit more
  2381. 1:50:30 Unknown speaker flexible.
  2382. 1:50:31 Unknown speaker He's he's putting his foot down. All
  2383. 1:50:33 Unknown speaker right, that's it. Okay, thank you. Um,
  2384. 1:50:37 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin,
  2385. 1:50:39 Unknown speaker thank you. Uh, Mayor, I wanted to
  2386. 1:50:40 Unknown speaker respond to a few of the comments here.
  2387. 1:50:41 Unknown speaker First of all, I actually really like the
  2388. 1:50:42 Unknown speaker development and I'm offering a few
  2389. 1:50:44 Unknown speaker suggestions um or not suggestions,
  2390. 1:50:47 Unknown speaker conditions that I think will enhance it
  2391. 1:50:49 Unknown speaker both for the development success and for
  2392. 1:50:51 Unknown speaker the neighborhoods around it. Um because
  2393. 1:50:53 Unknown speaker when we look at u an annexation to
  2394. 1:50:55 Unknown speaker council member Marsing's point before we
  2395. 1:50:57 Unknown speaker have uh few opportunities to really
  2396. 1:50:59 Unknown speaker shape how kind of new things new
  2397. 1:51:01 Unknown speaker development proposals really integrate
  2398. 1:51:02 Unknown speaker in our community um I don't take that
  2399. 1:51:04 Unknown speaker decision lightly at all. Um I have
  2400. 1:51:06 Unknown speaker thought about this for over a year and a
  2401. 1:51:08 Unknown speaker half as I've seen followed this project
  2402. 1:51:11 Unknown speaker through the process um because it's been
  2403. 1:51:13 Unknown speaker in my ward and it's in a sensitive area
  2404. 1:51:15 Unknown speaker that has been prone to development and
  2405. 1:51:17 Unknown speaker traffic concerns. Um the a multi an
  2406. 1:51:20 Unknown speaker effective multimmoal plan has been
  2407. 1:51:21 Unknown speaker something that the planning and zoning
  2408. 1:51:22 Unknown speaker commission has struggled with for years.
  2409. 1:51:24 Unknown speaker There aren't a ton of great options
  2410. 1:51:26 Unknown speaker until we had a we don't have a robust uh
  2411. 1:51:29 Unknown speaker transit network in the same way that uh
  2412. 1:51:32 Unknown speaker you know major metro areas do. Um we
  2413. 1:51:35 Unknown speaker don't or even like Boulder with CU right
  2414. 1:51:37 Unknown speaker and their transit system. Um there are
  2415. 1:51:40 Unknown speaker um very few systemic strategies here
  2416. 1:51:45 Unknown speaker that are actually more equitable than
  2417. 1:51:47 Unknown speaker just assuming people are going to have
  2418. 1:51:48 Unknown speaker their own bike because bikes can cost a
  2419. 1:51:50 Unknown speaker lot. Um and storing them can can be
  2420. 1:51:54 Unknown speaker cumbersome. This is a real option that
  2421. 1:51:56 Unknown speaker we have. Um the reason uh so so to speak
  2422. 1:52:00 Unknown speaker to a couple of the the issues here um I
  2423. 1:52:02 Unknown speaker think this is not only helpful for the
  2424. 1:52:04 Unknown speaker development. In fact it reduces some
  2425. 1:52:06 Unknown speaker traffic trips when you have another
  2426. 1:52:08 Unknown speaker option. Um this is not just next to a
  2427. 1:52:10 Unknown speaker commercial area. This is uh just two
  2428. 1:52:12 Unknown speaker blocks south of the Dry Creek uh trail
  2429. 1:52:15 Unknown speaker and just a few blocks south of the St.
  2430. 1:52:17 Unknown speaker Vin greenway. If you take airport road
  2431. 1:52:19 Unknown speaker up we have bike lanes all up and down uh
  2432. 1:52:22 Unknown speaker airport road and I believe on Clover
  2433. 1:52:24 Unknown speaker Basin as well. This is a fairly
  2434. 1:52:25 Unknown speaker well-connected bike area that could
  2435. 1:52:27 Unknown speaker connect into the Rogers Grove bike share
  2436. 1:52:29 Unknown speaker area that could connect into other parts
  2437. 1:52:31 Unknown speaker of our system downtown. Um, and that is
  2438. 1:52:33 Unknown speaker the exact intention of an effective bike
  2439. 1:52:35 Unknown speaker share network. Now, uh, Council Member
  2440. 1:52:37 Unknown speaker PTO, I I fully respect your concern on
  2441. 1:52:40 Unknown speaker like passing costs onto others. That's
  2442. 1:52:41 Unknown speaker why I want this as a part of the
  2443. 1:52:43 Unknown speaker annexation development requirement. This
  2444. 1:52:45 Unknown speaker is something the developer pays to make
  2445. 1:52:46 Unknown speaker a prop a good proposal even better um
  2446. 1:52:49 Unknown speaker and better integrate and offer a service
  2447. 1:52:51 Unknown speaker as an amenity to anyone in our community
  2448. 1:52:53 Unknown speaker who wants to hop on on board and ride
  2449. 1:52:56 Unknown speaker from there. Um I do think there are
  2450. 1:52:58 Unknown speaker areas of higher need but those aren't
  2451. 1:52:59 Unknown speaker being annexed right now. Um the um and
  2452. 1:53:03 Unknown speaker so the prescription is the intent. Um I
  2453. 1:53:07 Unknown speaker I fully hope that we will support this.
  2454. 1:53:08 Unknown speaker We get very few opportunities to do
  2455. 1:53:10 Unknown speaker this. This is an opportunity now to
  2456. 1:53:12 Unknown speaker start expanding the system, which
  2457. 1:53:14 Unknown speaker frankly I I think our uh current bike
  2458. 1:53:16 Unknown speaker share system uh doesn't have enough
  2459. 1:53:19 Unknown speaker locations in in high populated
  2460. 1:53:20 Unknown speaker residential areas yet. Um and so you
  2461. 1:53:23 Unknown speaker don't have enough users there. You have
  2462. 1:53:24 Unknown speaker to be kind of in our downtown area or at
  2463. 1:53:26 Unknown speaker Rogers Grove the fairgrounds to use it.
  2464. 1:53:28 Unknown speaker Um, the last thing I wanted to just
  2465. 1:53:30 Unknown speaker clarify is, um, in the condition
  2466. 1:53:32 Unknown speaker language, I do specify that future site
  2467. 1:53:34 Unknown speaker develop, I do want it to be flexible on
  2468. 1:53:36 Unknown speaker location for the site planning purposes,
  2469. 1:53:38 Unknown speaker but I do specify that this should be an
  2470. 1:53:40 Unknown speaker on-site publicly accessible bike share
  2471. 1:53:42 Unknown speaker option compatible with our current
  2472. 1:53:43 Unknown speaker system.
  2473. 1:53:45 Unknown speaker Just wanted to state that that for the
  2474. 1:53:46 Unknown speaker record.
  2475. 1:53:46 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you, Council Member
  2476. 1:53:48 Unknown speaker Coloffer.
  2477. 1:53:50 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor and Cammy. looking at
  2478. 1:53:52 Unknown speaker the BRT for RTD and I know I just said a
  2479. 1:53:56 Unknown speaker lot of letters but um I know things
  2480. 1:53:58 Unknown speaker change all the time with with our
  2481. 1:54:00 Unknown speaker favorite um transportation partner um
  2482. 1:54:03 Unknown speaker but the currently I'm looking at a DF1
  2483. 1:54:07 Unknown speaker and a DF2 and it looks like the DF2
  2484. 1:54:12 Unknown speaker potentially which is the orange pattern
  2485. 1:54:14 Unknown speaker might go past that. Is that still
  2486. 1:54:17 Unknown speaker correct to your knowledge or
  2487. 1:54:20 Unknown speaker has that changed
  2488. 1:54:24 Unknown speaker the BRT for between?
  2489. 1:54:26 Unknown speaker Yeah, so the orange and blue lines are
  2490. 1:54:27 Unknown speaker pretty set. I thought that was a little
  2491. 1:54:29 Unknown speaker bit far away from that corner. So, but I
  2492. 1:54:32 Unknown speaker could have just skimmed it too quickly.
  2493. 1:54:35 Unknown speaker Yeah. Airport and Pike and
  2494. 1:54:37 Unknown speaker that's why I said it. It's not
  2495. 1:54:38 Unknown speaker necessarily new right there. But the
  2496. 1:54:41 Unknown speaker orange line is going to be on that side
  2497. 1:54:42 Unknown speaker of town. Yes. And that and that is a net
  2498. 1:54:44 Unknown speaker new service
  2499. 1:54:45 Unknown speaker and that should start this spring of by
  2500. 1:54:47 Unknown speaker spring of 2027.
  2501. 1:54:50 Unknown speaker Gotcha. And then maybe we can convince
  2502. 1:54:52 Unknown speaker RTD in the future if there's a need
  2503. 1:54:56 Unknown speaker to look at different stops or Yes.
  2504. 1:54:58 Unknown speaker Great.
  2505. 1:54:59 Unknown speaker Always.
  2506. 1:54:59 Unknown speaker Awesome.
  2507. 1:55:00 Unknown speaker Yes.
  2508. 1:55:00 Unknown speaker Yeah. And and I'm a guess for the the
  2509. 1:55:02 Unknown speaker bike share. I do think we need more
  2510. 1:55:03 Unknown speaker stations for it to work. Passing on the
  2511. 1:55:06 Unknown speaker cost. I don't know how much Sorry,
  2512. 1:55:09 Unknown speaker Cammy. I don't know. [laughter]
  2513. 1:55:11 Unknown speaker Don't sit down. I don't know what the
  2514. 1:55:12 Unknown speaker average cost of a a bike share station
  2515. 1:55:15 Unknown speaker is. Um, if you can just quickly educate
  2516. 1:55:17 Unknown speaker us on what that would cost.
  2517. 1:55:18 Unknown speaker I don't have that off the top of my
  2518. 1:55:20 Unknown speaker head. I know Kaylee does, but I can look
  2519. 1:55:21 Unknown speaker that up for you and send it to you all.
  2520. 1:55:22 Unknown speaker But yes, we can get a cost per station
  2521. 1:55:24 Unknown speaker and what it would relatively be to send
  2522. 1:55:27 Unknown speaker on to Nathan and team. So, if that
  2523. 1:55:28 Unknown speaker language needs to be provided to you and
  2524. 1:55:30 Unknown speaker to future developers, that's an easy
  2525. 1:55:33 Unknown speaker estimate to pull together.
  2526. 1:55:34 Unknown speaker If it's a huge cost, I will change my
  2527. 1:55:36 Unknown speaker vote on second reading.
  2528. 1:55:38 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um, council member
  2529. 1:55:42 Unknown speaker uh or I'm sorry, Mayor Prom McCoy.
  2530. 1:55:44 Unknown speaker Uh, thank you, Mayor. Um, well, I shall
  2531. 1:55:47 Unknown speaker be, uh, supporting this. Uh, just
  2532. 1:55:50 Unknown speaker putting it out there. Uh I think for all
  2533. 1:55:52 Unknown speaker the reasons that uh uh council member uh
  2534. 1:55:56 Unknown speaker Popkin listed in regards to the
  2535. 1:55:58 Unknown speaker connectivity, reduction of of uh uh
  2536. 1:56:01 Unknown speaker trips per day and the very fact to his
  2537. 1:56:04 Unknown speaker point uh that uh this is the annexation
  2538. 1:56:07 Unknown speaker and it is an annexation that's happening
  2539. 1:56:09 Unknown speaker on this side of town that uh meets some
  2540. 1:56:12 Unknown speaker of our important criteria. So uh I shall
  2541. 1:56:16 Unknown speaker be moving forward with that.
  2542. 1:56:18 Unknown speaker Okay. Very good. Um, oh, and then is
  2543. 1:56:21 Unknown speaker this your second time? Second time.
  2544. 1:56:22 Unknown speaker Okay. Council member Brito.
  2545. 1:56:24 Unknown speaker Thanks, Mayor. Um, is is is the
  2546. 1:56:28 Unknown speaker developer here tonight?
  2547. 1:56:31 Unknown speaker I thought so. Yeah. I don't know.
  2548. 1:56:33 Unknown speaker Is the applicant here?
  2549. 1:56:34 Unknown speaker The applicant. I have a question.
  2550. 1:56:40 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  2551. 1:56:40 Unknown speaker Are we comfortable with that? [laughter]
  2552. 1:56:43 Unknown speaker Sorry, I should ask.
  2553. 1:56:46 Unknown speaker Um, no.
  2554. 1:56:49 Unknown speaker So, uh, my name is Jonah Weiss. I'm the
  2555. 1:56:51 Unknown speaker landscape architect and planner on the
  2556. 1:56:53 Unknown speaker project. So, I'm not actually the
  2557. 1:56:54 Unknown speaker developer, but I'm representing the
  2558. 1:56:55 Unknown speaker developer tonight.
  2559. 1:56:56 Unknown speaker Thank you. I'll ask the question and and
  2560. 1:56:58 Unknown speaker if you can't answer, then you can always
  2561. 1:56:59 Unknown speaker send an email and along with the the
  2562. 1:57:02 Unknown speaker price of what this is going to be. But
  2563. 1:57:05 Unknown speaker something that I noticed about the the
  2564. 1:57:08 Unknown speaker application was it looks like um the
  2565. 1:57:11 Unknown speaker affordable housing units or requirement
  2566. 1:57:13 Unknown speaker the 12% those are going to
  2567. 1:57:15 Unknown speaker council. Is this about the bike share
  2568. 1:57:17 Unknown speaker option? Okay, let me get to the
  2569. 1:57:19 Unknown speaker question.
  2570. 1:57:19 Unknown speaker Okay, just making sure.
  2571. 1:57:20 Unknown speaker So, it looks like the affordable housing
  2572. 1:57:23 Unknown speaker units are going to be on they're going
  2573. 1:57:25 Unknown speaker to be provided and a fee and Lou is not
  2574. 1:57:27 Unknown speaker going to be paid. Is that correct?
  2575. 1:57:29 Unknown speaker That's correct. Land for that the
  2576. 1:57:31 Unknown speaker attainable I'm sorry, inclusionary
  2577. 1:57:33 Unknown speaker housing will be provided. I think that's
  2578. 1:57:35 Unknown speaker the term.
  2579. 1:57:35 Unknown speaker Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. And so I guess my
  2580. 1:57:38 Unknown speaker my only hesitancy and I got like a
  2581. 1:57:40 Unknown speaker preliminary number from uh council
  2582. 1:57:43 Unknown speaker member Popkin over here that I'm not
  2583. 1:57:44 Unknown speaker going to state it out loud because it
  2584. 1:57:46 Unknown speaker could be
  2585. 1:57:47 Unknown speaker different
  2586. 1:57:48 Unknown speaker different.
  2587. 1:57:49 Unknown speaker Um could something like a bike share
  2588. 1:57:51 Unknown speaker change the numbers or the penciling out
  2589. 1:57:54 Unknown speaker of providing those units on site versus
  2590. 1:57:56 Unknown speaker paying the fee in L? I think that would
  2591. 1:57:59 Unknown speaker be my only concern.
  2592. 1:58:01 Unknown speaker So I think that would be a question to
  2593. 1:58:03 Unknown speaker staff and not the developer or
  2594. 1:58:06 Unknown speaker applicant. I don't know how your code
  2595. 1:58:08 Unknown speaker would would work with that. Um my
  2596. 1:58:11 Unknown speaker understanding is that the inclusionary
  2597. 1:58:13 Unknown speaker housing is based on the total number of
  2598. 1:58:15 Unknown speaker units as a percentage. And so if we had
  2599. 1:58:20 Unknown speaker a bike share and we couldn't get another
  2600. 1:58:23 Unknown speaker unit, yes, that would affect the number
  2601. 1:58:26 Unknown speaker of inclusionary housing units.
  2602. 1:58:28 Unknown speaker Thank you. Yeah. and and we talk to
  2603. 1:58:30 Unknown speaker developers all the time and around
  2604. 1:58:32 Unknown speaker penciling these projects out and so uh I
  2605. 1:58:35 Unknown speaker haven't heard from the developer or
  2606. 1:58:37 Unknown speaker anybody stating that it's a tight pencil
  2607. 1:58:40 Unknown speaker in or there's room for kind of these
  2608. 1:58:43 Unknown speaker add-ons and so I will go ahead and
  2609. 1:58:45 Unknown speaker support this tonight uh council member
  2610. 1:58:47 Unknown speaker Popkin but definitely going to be
  2611. 1:58:49 Unknown speaker looking for that information in the
  2612. 1:58:51 Unknown speaker packet or and and for a second reading
  2613. 1:58:53 Unknown speaker to make a more educated decision I
  2614. 1:58:56 Unknown speaker guess. Thank you.
  2615. 1:58:57 Unknown speaker Thanks. Um,
  2616. 1:59:00 Unknown speaker uh, council member Mark,
  2617. 1:59:01 Unknown speaker I'll be quick. This is actually for the
  2618. 1:59:02 Unknown speaker applicant as well. Um, while I've got
  2619. 1:59:05 Unknown speaker you, uh, have just to this specific
  2620. 1:59:08 Unknown speaker question because it will inform my vote
  2621. 1:59:09 Unknown speaker and on on this specific condition, have
  2622. 1:59:11 Unknown speaker you contemplated a bike share in this
  2623. 1:59:13 Unknown speaker location, done any of the work to
  2624. 1:59:15 Unknown speaker evaluate how it impacts your proforma?
  2625. 1:59:18 Unknown speaker Um, anything like that, or is this new
  2626. 1:59:20 Unknown speaker to you? And and that and not that
  2627. 1:59:21 Unknown speaker council member Puffkin was required to
  2628. 1:59:22 Unknown speaker run it past you, of course, but I'm
  2629. 1:59:24 Unknown speaker curious whether this has been considered
  2630. 1:59:25 Unknown speaker at all in the planning. Uh, we have not
  2631. 1:59:27 Unknown speaker considered it at all. Um, this is the
  2632. 1:59:29 Unknown speaker first we've heard of a desire for that
  2633. 1:59:31 Unknown speaker tonight. So, I don't really have an
  2634. 1:59:33 Unknown speaker answer for you. I think there's
  2635. 1:59:36 Unknown speaker obviously going to be a cost and I think
  2636. 1:59:39 Unknown speaker the developer is going to have to figure
  2637. 1:59:40 Unknown speaker out whether the project's worth or how
  2638. 1:59:43 Unknown speaker the project moves forward with that
  2639. 1:59:44 Unknown speaker cost. theoretically just in your
  2640. 1:59:47 Unknown speaker experience as a planner and this could I
  2641. 1:59:49 Unknown speaker mean is this enough to potentially sync
  2642. 1:59:52 Unknown speaker a project if it doesn't if the performer
  2643. 1:59:54 Unknown speaker doesn't pencil because of the space
  2644. 1:59:56 Unknown speaker requirement needed for a bike share
  2645. 1:59:57 Unknown speaker well if it the performer doesn't pencil
  2646. 1:59:59 Unknown speaker it will sync the project so
  2647. 2:00:03 Unknown speaker great thank you okay seeing no one else
  2648. 2:00:06 Unknown speaker in the queue let's go ahead and vote
  2649. 2:00:16 Unknown speaker Okay, that carries six to one with
  2650. 2:00:18 Unknown speaker council member Marcine in opposition.
  2651. 2:00:20 Unknown speaker Okay, so now um
  2652. 2:00:24 Unknown speaker let's bring in the next condition.
  2653. 2:00:27 Unknown speaker Council member Pan.
  2654. 2:00:29 Unknown speaker Uh thank you, mayor. Uh number three is
  2655. 2:00:31 Unknown speaker intended to directly address concerns
  2656. 2:00:32 Unknown speaker from the neighborhood to the north in
  2657. 2:00:34 Unknown speaker the the box elder neighborhood. that
  2658. 2:00:36 Unknown speaker condition. Um or this is a motion to add
  2659. 2:00:40 Unknown speaker a condition for future development uh
  2660. 2:00:42 Unknown speaker sorry future development shall implement
  2661. 2:00:44 Unknown speaker traffic control measures to the extent
  2662. 2:00:46 Unknown speaker fees uh to the let me get hold on I
  2663. 2:00:49 Unknown speaker think I have the wrong text there. One
  2664. 2:00:51 Unknown speaker second.
  2665. 2:00:53 Unknown speaker Uh
  2666. 2:00:56 Unknown speaker uh. Yep. Okay. Yeah. Future future
  2667. 2:00:58 Unknown speaker development shall implement traffic
  2668. 2:01:00 Unknown speaker control measures to the maximum extent
  2669. 2:01:02 Unknown speaker feasible and as approved by the city
  2670. 2:01:04 Unknown speaker engineer to deter through traffic north
  2671. 2:01:07 Unknown speaker on Boxelder Drive. This should include
  2672. 2:01:09 Unknown speaker at least a speed bump, curb bumpout,
  2673. 2:01:12 Unknown speaker andor other infrastructure control.
  2674. 2:01:15 Unknown speaker other infrastructure control that
  2675. 2:01:17 Unknown speaker physically deters right turns from this
  2676. 2:01:19 Unknown speaker development onto Quail Road as well as
  2677. 2:01:21 Unknown speaker signage prohibiting right turns onto
  2678. 2:01:23 Unknown speaker Quail Road and deterring through traffic
  2679. 2:01:25 Unknown speaker onto Boxelder Drive.
  2680. 2:01:26 Unknown speaker Second.
  2681. 2:01:28 Unknown speaker Okay. So
  2682. 2:01:32 Unknown speaker the motion has been made to add um
  2683. 2:01:36 Unknown speaker condition that future development shall
  2684. 2:01:38 Unknown speaker implement traffic control measures to
  2685. 2:01:40 Unknown speaker maximize extent feasible and as approved
  2686. 2:01:43 Unknown speaker by the city engineer to deter thorough
  2687. 2:01:45 Unknown speaker traffic north on Boxelder Drive. This
  2688. 2:01:49 Unknown speaker should include at least a speed bump,
  2689. 2:01:51 Unknown speaker curb bumpout, and or other
  2690. 2:01:53 Unknown speaker infrastructure control that physically
  2691. 2:01:55 Unknown speaker deters right turns from this development
  2692. 2:01:58 Unknown speaker onto Quail Road, as well as signage
  2693. 2:02:00 Unknown speaker prohibiting right turns onto Quail Road
  2694. 2:02:03 Unknown speaker and deter deterring through traffic on
  2695. 2:02:07 Unknown speaker Box Elder Drive. The motion was made by
  2696. 2:02:09 Unknown speaker council member council member Popkin and
  2697. 2:02:12 Unknown speaker seconded by council member Marcen. Okay.
  2698. 2:02:15 Unknown speaker Um, go ahead if you want.
  2699. 2:02:16 Unknown speaker Yes. So to speak to this briefly, this
  2700. 2:02:18 Unknown speaker is what's known as an off-site
  2701. 2:02:19 Unknown speaker transportation improvement. It's
  2702. 2:02:20 Unknown speaker technically not on the development
  2703. 2:02:21 Unknown speaker property, but it's uh adjacent
  2704. 2:02:23 Unknown speaker transportation systems that feed into
  2705. 2:02:26 Unknown speaker this. That is not uncommon that such
  2706. 2:02:28 Unknown speaker off-site transportation improvements
  2707. 2:02:29 Unknown speaker might be made in public rightways or
  2708. 2:02:31 Unknown speaker other streets. Um this I I would say
  2709. 2:02:34 Unknown speaker throughout this process in multiple
  2710. 2:02:36 Unknown speaker public hearings uh or I guess through in
  2711. 2:02:38 Unknown speaker the public hearing from PNZ and the
  2712. 2:02:40 Unknown speaker neighborhood meeting um for this project
  2713. 2:02:42 Unknown speaker uh this was a frequent concern um from
  2714. 2:02:45 Unknown speaker neighbors and they were concerned about
  2715. 2:02:47 Unknown speaker the cutthrough traffic potential most um
  2716. 2:02:51 Unknown speaker and and I do want to make sure that the
  2717. 2:02:53 Unknown speaker developer knows that uh this is also
  2718. 2:02:56 Unknown speaker intended to be prescriptive but a little
  2719. 2:02:58 Unknown speaker flexible in kind of what exact
  2720. 2:02:59 Unknown speaker infrastructure is used. That's why it's
  2721. 2:03:01 Unknown speaker an andor statement that's used. Uh and
  2722. 2:03:03 Unknown speaker that signage is also part of that. Um I
  2723. 2:03:06 Unknown speaker also want the uh box shelter community
  2724. 2:03:08 Unknown speaker to know that this would likely limit
  2725. 2:03:10 Unknown speaker their ability to cut through the other
  2726. 2:03:12 Unknown speaker development um just physically on how
  2727. 2:03:14 Unknown speaker that nexus would work. Um but from what
  2728. 2:03:16 Unknown speaker I've heard uh that is of interest to
  2729. 2:03:19 Unknown speaker them to have this uh limitation to
  2730. 2:03:21 Unknown speaker reduce cut through traffic for them.
  2731. 2:03:23 Unknown speaker Everyone would still be able to use the
  2732. 2:03:26 Unknown speaker egress point on Quail Road to get to
  2733. 2:03:28 Unknown speaker Airport Road. It does not change that.
  2734. 2:03:30 Unknown speaker Um and from I have not heard any
  2735. 2:03:32 Unknown speaker emergency vehicle consider concerns from
  2736. 2:03:34 Unknown speaker staff on this certain access and I don't
  2737. 2:03:36 Unknown speaker think it should impact that. This should
  2738. 2:03:38 Unknown speaker be both of these should be physically uh
  2739. 2:03:41 Unknown speaker accessible uh uh you know parts of our
  2740. 2:03:44 Unknown speaker street network.
  2741. 2:03:46 Unknown speaker Okay. Um council member or I'm sorry,
  2742. 2:03:48 Unknown speaker Mayor Pro Tim McCoy.
  2743. 2:03:50 Unknown speaker Yes. I I see a member of our our fire uh
  2744. 2:03:54 Unknown speaker department out there and I don't know
  2745. 2:03:56 Unknown speaker the the concerned look on his face was
  2746. 2:03:59 Unknown speaker uh made me think that uh there was maybe
  2747. 2:04:02 Unknown speaker potential concerns about speed bumps and
  2748. 2:04:04 Unknown speaker things like that when we're dealing with
  2749. 2:04:07 Unknown speaker uh uh putting that sort of you know
  2750. 2:04:12 Unknown speaker prescriptive aspect on this. I I I don't
  2751. 2:04:16 Unknown speaker know if you obviously you're not
  2752. 2:04:17 Unknown speaker prepared to to discuss this, but maybe
  2753. 2:04:21 Unknown speaker it would be concerning about you know
  2754. 2:04:24 Unknown speaker about speed bumps uh in general.
  2755. 2:04:28 Unknown speaker Mayor, just a point of clarification.
  2756. 2:04:30 Unknown speaker Um let him answer first and then um
  2757. 2:04:33 Unknown speaker yeah, please.
  2758. 2:04:34 Unknown speaker Yes.
  2759. 2:04:35 Unknown speaker Yeah. So um mayor, council, fire
  2760. 2:04:38 Unknown speaker marshall O'Donnell. Um, so the IFC does
  2761. 2:04:42 Unknown speaker it does state it's prohibits speed
  2762. 2:04:45 Unknown speaker bumps. Um, I would be amendable because
  2763. 2:04:48 Unknown speaker it does allow the AHJ to have a little
  2764. 2:04:50 Unknown speaker bit of flexibility. So I would be
  2765. 2:04:52 Unknown speaker amendable to like maybe a cushion a
  2766. 2:04:55 Unknown speaker pillow. So we have the ability as a
  2767. 2:04:57 Unknown speaker firetruck to actually drive in between a
  2768. 2:05:00 Unknown speaker speed bump
  2769. 2:05:02 Unknown speaker um as opposed as opposed to something
  2770. 2:05:04 Unknown speaker that's the full full length of the road.
  2771. 2:05:07 Unknown speaker Um, obviously we don't want we would
  2772. 2:05:10 Unknown speaker also want to make sure that we're
  2773. 2:05:11 Unknown speaker regulating heights, things of that
  2774. 2:05:14 Unknown speaker nature, spacing.
  2775. 2:05:15 Unknown speaker Uh, so we're not reducing response times
  2776. 2:05:19 Unknown speaker in addition to um damage to firet trucks
  2777. 2:05:21 Unknown speaker and things of that nature. Um, with that
  2778. 2:05:24 Unknown speaker um because we're we are talking about a
  2779. 2:05:27 Unknown speaker small section of road from airport to
  2780. 2:05:31 Unknown speaker potentially where we would be heading
  2781. 2:05:33 Unknown speaker south into to the what we're proposing
  2782. 2:05:35 Unknown speaker as the annex.
  2783. 2:05:37 Unknown speaker um off of Coil.
  2784. 2:05:39 Unknown speaker So, it would be a relatively small small
  2785. 2:05:41 Unknown speaker area of road, but I think we could
  2786. 2:05:43 Unknown speaker probably be amendable to that.
  2787. 2:05:47 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2788. 2:05:47 Unknown speaker Okay. Yeah. Thank you for adding that.
  2789. 2:05:49 Unknown speaker I I guess I would want to just say that
  2790. 2:05:51 Unknown speaker I'd want to
  2791. 2:05:53 Unknown speaker see more detail on that uh uh when it
  2792. 2:05:56 Unknown speaker came back for second reading.
  2793. 2:05:58 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um now, Council Member
  2794. 2:06:01 Unknown speaker Popkin.
  2795. 2:06:02 Unknown speaker Yeah, just as a point of clarification.
  2796. 2:06:03 Unknown speaker So just to reiterate the mo the
  2797. 2:06:05 Unknown speaker condition was uh to include at least a
  2798. 2:06:08 Unknown speaker speed bump, curb bumpout and or other
  2799. 2:06:11 Unknown speaker infrastructure control that physically
  2800. 2:06:12 Unknown speaker deter the right turns. This is not
  2801. 2:06:14 Unknown speaker prescriptive on a speed bump. Uh and it
  2802. 2:06:16 Unknown speaker would all be subject to review by the
  2803. 2:06:17 Unknown speaker city engineer. Um but it does specify
  2804. 2:06:20 Unknown speaker it's prescriptive on a physical control
  2805. 2:06:23 Unknown speaker basically a physical infrastructure
  2806. 2:06:24 Unknown speaker control of some kind. I have no
  2807. 2:06:25 Unknown speaker objection to the uh variations on a
  2808. 2:06:27 Unknown speaker theme here that uh the fire marshall was
  2809. 2:06:29 Unknown speaker suggesting here. Um, in fact, it was
  2810. 2:06:31 Unknown speaker designed with that flexibility in mind.
  2811. 2:06:33 Unknown speaker I also wanted to clarify um that this
  2812. 2:06:36 Unknown speaker would not be pro this this is not
  2813. 2:06:38 Unknown speaker intended to be on the stretch from
  2814. 2:06:39 Unknown speaker airport road to the entrance to the
  2815. 2:06:42 Unknown speaker develop new development. This would be
  2816. 2:06:44 Unknown speaker actually on the stretch um kind of
  2817. 2:06:47 Unknown speaker towards the right on the way to Box
  2818. 2:06:49 Unknown speaker Elder Drive between Quail. It's an
  2819. 2:06:50 Unknown speaker interesting little road stretch there,
  2820. 2:06:52 Unknown speaker but it would be to deter right turn
  2821. 2:06:54 Unknown speaker traffic um from the new development
  2822. 2:06:57 Unknown speaker proposed kind of egress into the
  2823. 2:06:59 Unknown speaker Boxelder neighborhood.
  2824. 2:07:01 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Seeing no one else in
  2825. 2:07:03 Unknown speaker the queue, let's go ahead and vote on
  2826. 2:07:04 Unknown speaker this.
  2827. 2:07:12 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously.
  2828. 2:07:13 Unknown speaker Let's go on. Um Okay. And this is number
  2829. 2:07:17 Unknown speaker four of 84.54. No, just kidding.
  2830. 2:07:21 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  2831. 2:07:21 Unknown speaker No, I would not. Um, go ahead.
  2832. 2:07:24 Unknown speaker Uh, thank you, mayor. This is four of
  2833. 2:07:26 Unknown speaker four. Um, and I do want to note for my
  2834. 2:07:27 Unknown speaker fellow council members, there is a cost
  2835. 2:07:28 Unknown speaker to that one, too. Um, we didn't discuss
  2836. 2:07:31 Unknown speaker it, but there is a cost to physical
  2837. 2:07:33 Unknown speaker transportation infrastructure as well.
  2838. 2:07:35 Unknown speaker Um, this is a cost. These are costs
  2839. 2:07:38 Unknown speaker borne by developments in general to make
  2840. 2:07:40 Unknown speaker this more compatible and uh, attractive
  2841. 2:07:43 Unknown speaker to our community when they are
  2842. 2:07:44 Unknown speaker requesting annexation. Um,
  2843. 2:07:48 Unknown speaker the last condition here that I wanted to
  2844. 2:07:50 Unknown speaker propose is the applicant shall be
  2845. 2:07:51 Unknown speaker required to preserve the existing two
  2846. 2:07:54 Unknown speaker silos that are currently on site and
  2847. 2:07:56 Unknown speaker their current character to the maximum
  2848. 2:07:58 Unknown speaker extent feasible in a pocket park or
  2849. 2:08:00 Unknown speaker other area presuming the silos are
  2850. 2:08:02 Unknown speaker structurally safe either in their
  2851. 2:08:03 Unknown speaker current location or elsewhere on site.
  2852. 2:08:05 Unknown speaker The maintenance of the silos will be the
  2853. 2:08:07 Unknown speaker responsibility of the property owner or
  2854. 2:08:08 Unknown speaker their design.
  2855. 2:08:14 Unknown speaker Okay. So, we have an active motion. Is
  2856. 2:08:16 Unknown speaker there anyone who is second? Okay. So,
  2857. 2:08:18 Unknown speaker council member um Christ has seconded
  2858. 2:08:20 Unknown speaker that. Um go ahead and speak to that.
  2859. 2:08:23 Unknown speaker Gladly. Um there is a brick and concrete
  2860. 2:08:26 Unknown speaker silo on these sites that have been part
  2861. 2:08:28 Unknown speaker of these properties for a while largely
  2862. 2:08:30 Unknown speaker dating back to I believe part of their
  2863. 2:08:32 Unknown speaker agricultural history. Um, I don't know
  2864. 2:08:35 Unknown speaker whether these are culturally or
  2865. 2:08:36 Unknown speaker historically significant, but they are
  2866. 2:08:38 Unknown speaker character significant. And I think
  2867. 2:08:40 Unknown speaker feedback that we regularly hear from
  2868. 2:08:42 Unknown speaker folks is that development loses its
  2869. 2:08:44 Unknown speaker character um, when we redevelop some of
  2870. 2:08:46 Unknown speaker these sites. And that may not mean
  2871. 2:08:49 Unknown speaker something to everyone, but it means
  2872. 2:08:50 Unknown speaker something to people who have lived here
  2873. 2:08:51 Unknown speaker far longer than I have. Um, and is part
  2874. 2:08:54 Unknown speaker of kind of how we uh, grow, how Longmont
  2875. 2:08:57 Unknown speaker can grow without u, while retaining some
  2876. 2:09:00 Unknown speaker of that spirit and character, even if
  2877. 2:09:01 Unknown speaker it's minor. Uh technically this requires
  2878. 2:09:04 Unknown speaker them to do very little. It just requires
  2879. 2:09:06 Unknown speaker preservation of this if they can design
  2880. 2:09:07 Unknown speaker a pocket park around this or their
  2881. 2:09:09 Unknown speaker layout plan. And again, happy to have
  2882. 2:09:11 Unknown speaker the developer speak to this uh either
  2883. 2:09:13 Unknown speaker today if they've considered that already
  2884. 2:09:15 Unknown speaker um or uh in two weeks when we consider
  2885. 2:09:17 Unknown speaker that if this is truly prohibitive from a
  2886. 2:09:20 Unknown speaker housing standpoint, we can reconsider.
  2887. 2:09:22 Unknown speaker But I think that this is very much in
  2888. 2:09:24 Unknown speaker the spirit of the feedback I've been
  2889. 2:09:25 Unknown speaker receiving from folks and is an
  2890. 2:09:27 Unknown speaker opportunity to do that in a um
  2891. 2:09:29 Unknown speaker meaningful but not cumbersome way. If
  2892. 2:09:32 Unknown speaker they want to relocate this those on site
  2893. 2:09:34 Unknown speaker and they can do that credibly, fine by
  2894. 2:09:36 Unknown speaker me. If they want to take them down brick
  2895. 2:09:38 Unknown speaker by brick and rebuild them brick by
  2896. 2:09:39 Unknown speaker brick, that's fine by me, too. If they
  2897. 2:09:41 Unknown speaker want to just leave them where they are
  2898. 2:09:42 Unknown speaker and build a little walking path, pocket
  2899. 2:09:43 Unknown speaker park and drainage around it, that's also
  2900. 2:09:45 Unknown speaker fine by me. So I I intentionally keep it
  2901. 2:09:47 Unknown speaker broad on how they integrate it.
  2902. 2:09:48 Unknown speaker Hopefully, it's a fun little challenge
  2903. 2:09:50 Unknown speaker for the landscape architect uh and the
  2904. 2:09:52 Unknown speaker team around around the uh that team. Um
  2905. 2:09:56 Unknown speaker I'd welcome any comments if they have
  2906. 2:09:57 Unknown speaker thought about that. Um but that is the
  2907. 2:10:00 Unknown speaker intent and the spirit of the intent.
  2908. 2:10:02 Unknown speaker So yeah, if you wanted to weigh in on
  2909. 2:10:05 Unknown speaker that, that is that is fine.
  2910. 2:10:10 Unknown speaker Can you hear me?
  2911. 2:10:11 Unknown speaker Yes.
  2912. 2:10:12 Unknown speaker Um so I'm not sure those silos are even
  2913. 2:10:15 Unknown speaker on the property. They may be just off
  2914. 2:10:18 Unknown speaker the property or on a property line.
  2915. 2:10:20 Unknown speaker Oh, really?
  2916. 2:10:20 Unknown speaker Yeah. So,
  2917. 2:10:22 Unknown speaker yeah, it is. It is awkward.
  2918. 2:10:27 Unknown speaker So, I don't think we can preserve them
  2919. 2:10:28 Unknown speaker since we're off our property.
  2920. 2:10:31 Unknown speaker I Yeah, because I was trying to
  2921. 2:10:33 Unknown speaker conceptualize
  2922. 2:10:35 Unknown speaker it's in the plan.
  2923. 2:10:39 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2924. 2:10:50 Unknown speaker Oh yeah.
  2925. 2:10:54 Unknown speaker Yeah. So, just to be clear, that
  2926. 2:10:56 Unknown speaker environmental site assessment looked at
  2927. 2:10:57 Unknown speaker a larger area than just the property.
  2928. 2:11:02 Unknown speaker That's that's pretty typical because
  2929. 2:11:04 Unknown speaker there could be contaminants on a
  2930. 2:11:05 Unknown speaker neighboring property that have moved
  2931. 2:11:07 Unknown speaker across the boundary.
  2932. 2:11:12 Unknown speaker Mhm.
  2933. 2:11:15 Unknown speaker Yeah, it did. Um
  2934. 2:11:17 Unknown speaker cuz I thought they were over in the
  2935. 2:11:19 Unknown speaker three. No, those the other Yes.
  2936. 2:11:26 Unknown speaker Okay. Yeah.
  2937. 2:11:28 Unknown speaker Okay. Are they
  2938. 2:11:30 Unknown speaker We've got a team looking at it.
  2939. 2:11:32 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  2940. 2:11:33 Unknown speaker Council, it does appear that there is
  2941. 2:11:35 Unknown speaker one silo that is on the site and one
  2942. 2:11:37 Unknown speaker silo that is
  2943. 2:11:39 Unknown speaker Oh gosh. like right on the property
  2944. 2:11:42 Unknown speaker line. So, um
  2945. 2:11:45 Unknown speaker [cough and clears throat]
  2946. 2:11:45 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2947. 2:11:49 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  2948. 2:11:51 Unknown speaker According to their alta survey.
  2949. 2:11:52 Unknown speaker Okay. So, um
  2950. 2:11:56 Unknown speaker yeah, I guess I um given that piece of
  2951. 2:12:00 Unknown speaker information, Council Member Popkin, um
  2952. 2:12:04 Unknown speaker where do you want to go with this? Go
  2953. 2:12:05 Unknown speaker ahead.
  2954. 2:12:06 Unknown speaker Uh easily. I'll uh um I'll I'll withdraw
  2955. 2:12:09 Unknown speaker my condition and then propose the
  2956. 2:12:12 Unknown speaker condition that the applicant shall be
  2957. 2:12:14 Unknown speaker required to preserve the existing silo
  2958. 2:12:16 Unknown speaker in its current character to the maximum
  2959. 2:12:18 Unknown speaker extent feasible in a pocket park or
  2960. 2:12:20 Unknown speaker other area. Presuming the silo is
  2961. 2:12:22 Unknown speaker structurally safe um either in their its
  2962. 2:12:25 Unknown speaker current location or elsewhere on site.
  2963. 2:12:27 Unknown speaker The maintenance of the silo will be
  2964. 2:12:29 Unknown speaker responsible to the property owner or
  2965. 2:12:30 Unknown speaker their designate.
  2966. 2:12:31 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2967. 2:12:31 Unknown speaker Thank you for at least clarifying that.
  2968. 2:12:33 Unknown speaker Yes. And then council member Chris, do
  2969. 2:12:34 Unknown speaker you still second this item? I do.
  2970. 2:12:37 Unknown speaker Okay, there we go.
  2971. 2:12:40 Unknown speaker Okay. And it does say in the language
  2972. 2:12:42 Unknown speaker that to the maximum extent feasible. So
  2973. 2:12:46 Unknown speaker that does provide a little bit of, you
  2974. 2:12:49 Unknown speaker know, if it's just absolutely not
  2975. 2:12:51 Unknown speaker possible. You [clears throat] will have
  2976. 2:12:53 Unknown speaker to dig it up and move it somewhere else.
  2977. 2:12:55 Unknown speaker [laughter] I'm just playing. Okay.
  2978. 2:12:59 Unknown speaker Um, Council Member Marcy.
  2979. 2:13:01 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. as the liazison to the
  2980. 2:13:02 Unknown speaker Historic Preservation Commission, um the
  2981. 2:13:06 Unknown speaker the Sha language in here again, sorry to
  2982. 2:13:09 Unknown speaker go back to Shia, but um is a little
  2983. 2:13:12 Unknown speaker concerning to me uh partly because we
  2984. 2:13:14 Unknown speaker have a lot of old structures in the city
  2985. 2:13:16 Unknown speaker of Longmont, right? I agree completely
  2986. 2:13:18 Unknown speaker with the spirit of protecting Longmont's
  2987. 2:13:20 Unknown speaker agricultural history that that is
  2988. 2:13:22 Unknown speaker critically important. I think the the
  2989. 2:13:24 Unknown speaker the
  2990. 2:13:26 Unknown speaker silo that we would be talking about in
  2991. 2:13:27 Unknown speaker this situation with this new information
  2992. 2:13:29 Unknown speaker is the shorter of the two. It's the red
  2993. 2:13:31 Unknown speaker brick one. Um, and and just having sat
  2994. 2:13:35 Unknown speaker on HPC now for a little bit, historic
  2995. 2:13:38 Unknown speaker preservation of that type can I mean, we
  2996. 2:13:40 Unknown speaker talk about the cost of installation of a
  2997. 2:13:42 Unknown speaker of a bike share program if we're talking
  2998. 2:13:45 Unknown speaker about especially moving it and
  2999. 2:13:47 Unknown speaker redeveloping your entire site plan. It
  3000. 2:13:49 Unknown speaker is that is cost prohibitive in a way
  3001. 2:13:52 Unknown speaker that is extraordinarily challenging and
  3002. 2:13:55 Unknown speaker I want to see this project happen. Um,
  3003. 2:13:57 Unknown speaker however, I also understand the desire to
  3004. 2:14:01 Unknown speaker protect the historic character of the
  3005. 2:14:02 Unknown speaker community and the silo. My strong
  3006. 2:14:05 Unknown speaker preference here as the HPC liaison would
  3007. 2:14:08 Unknown speaker not be the shall language and I would
  3008. 2:14:10 Unknown speaker ask the maker of the motion to
  3009. 2:14:11 Unknown speaker reconsider considering that we're not
  3010. 2:14:13 Unknown speaker talking about both silos at this point.
  3011. 2:14:14 Unknown speaker We're talking about the one. I would ask
  3012. 2:14:16 Unknown speaker him to say, "Hey, as a condition of
  3013. 2:14:18 Unknown speaker annexation, HPC will look at this,
  3014. 2:14:22 Unknown speaker assess the historic nature of the silo
  3015. 2:14:25 Unknown speaker and evaluate with the developer options
  3016. 2:14:27 Unknown speaker for preservation, including if it really
  3017. 2:14:30 Unknown speaker does not pencil, um, including
  3018. 2:14:33 Unknown speaker demolition as a potential option. Just
  3019. 2:14:36 Unknown speaker so for reference, the the silos we're
  3020. 2:14:38 Unknown speaker talking about, the belief, at least in
  3021. 2:14:40 Unknown speaker my reading was that they're probably
  3022. 2:14:42 Unknown speaker from the 60s is roughly the agricultural
  3023. 2:14:44 Unknown speaker timeline that we're looking at. This is
  3024. 2:14:46 Unknown speaker not some 150-y old silo that, you
  3025. 2:14:49 Unknown speaker [clears throat] know, um, you know, Seth
  3026. 2:14:51 Unknown speaker Terry built with his bare hands or
  3027. 2:14:53 Unknown speaker anything like that. This is a a number
  3028. 2:14:55 Unknown speaker of agriculturally important and
  3029. 2:14:57 Unknown speaker significant character pieces that exist
  3030. 2:14:58 Unknown speaker on this side of the community. But if
  3031. 2:15:01 Unknown speaker it's going to sink the project to save
  3032. 2:15:03 Unknown speaker this, I'm not comfortable with that. I
  3033. 2:15:06 Unknown speaker would like to say, "Hey, HBC, can you
  3034. 2:15:08 Unknown speaker look at this?" rather than we absolutely
  3035. 2:15:12 Unknown speaker must preserve this red brick silo. I
  3036. 2:15:14 Unknown speaker would love to see it preserved. To be
  3037. 2:15:15 Unknown speaker clear, I agree. I think that's a great
  3038. 2:15:17 Unknown speaker idea. If it could fit into a pocket
  3039. 2:15:18 Unknown speaker park, I think it would be great. I am
  3040. 2:15:20 Unknown speaker not willing to sink the project over it.
  3041. 2:15:22 Unknown speaker Uh but I and I really would like HPC to
  3042. 2:15:24 Unknown speaker look at it.
  3043. 2:15:25 Unknown speaker Yeah. Thank you. Um Council Member
  3044. 2:15:28 Unknown speaker Colopper.
  3045. 2:15:30 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. So, looking at this
  3046. 2:15:32 Unknown speaker review, um it does look pretty short. I
  3047. 2:15:34 Unknown speaker would like the developer to come back
  3048. 2:15:36 Unknown speaker and maybe advise what the cost might be
  3049. 2:15:39 Unknown speaker and let us know if it's feasible. Um
  3050. 2:15:42 Unknown speaker because again I don't want to I I don't
  3051. 2:15:44 Unknown speaker want to sink the project either. Um it
  3052. 2:15:46 Unknown speaker is a cool looking silo from Street View
  3053. 2:15:48 Unknown speaker but it is on the property line so maybe
  3054. 2:15:51 Unknown speaker it does fit in but I would like the
  3055. 2:15:52 Unknown speaker developer to let us know what was what
  3056. 2:15:54 Unknown speaker would be feasible in this case um and
  3057. 2:15:56 Unknown speaker then report back to us before second
  3058. 2:15:58 Unknown speaker reading. I don't know if that is
  3059. 2:16:00 Unknown speaker possible um but I'm I'm a no vote at
  3060. 2:16:02 Unknown speaker this point. Okay. Thank you. Um, Council
  3061. 2:16:05 Unknown speaker Member Christ.
  3062. 2:16:07 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor.
  3063. 2:16:09 Unknown speaker So, in my experience, uh, when farmers
  3064. 2:16:13 Unknown speaker have tried to take down their silos, the
  3065. 2:16:15 Unknown speaker agricultural or, um, rural associations
  3066. 2:16:19 Unknown speaker get after them and they preserve them.
  3067. 2:16:22 Unknown speaker So, I've never seen a silo taken down.
  3068. 2:16:24 Unknown speaker U, this is sort of a little more east of
  3069. 2:16:26 Unknown speaker where I am, but that is all agricultural
  3070. 2:16:29 Unknown speaker land. So I think um they're considered
  3071. 2:16:32 Unknown speaker landmarks is one reason and I think
  3072. 2:16:35 Unknown speaker they're uh occasionally mentioned in
  3073. 2:16:39 Unknown speaker in plats in old documents. This is what
  3074. 2:16:43 Unknown speaker I've heard. I've not seen it myself but
  3075. 2:16:46 Unknown speaker in my experience I've seen this happened
  3076. 2:16:47 Unknown speaker twice where the silos stayed.
  3077. 2:16:51 Unknown speaker So, I I think um it's something that
  3078. 2:16:54 Unknown speaker bears looking into and
  3079. 2:16:58 Unknown speaker and could be a potential problem um with
  3080. 2:17:01 Unknown speaker your development, although it seems like
  3081. 2:17:03 Unknown speaker it's carefully um placed in the corner,
  3082. 2:17:06 Unknown speaker so maybe it's not that big of a deal. Um
  3083. 2:17:10 Unknown speaker anyway, I'm a go on this one.
  3084. 2:17:12 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you, Council Member Popkin.
  3085. 2:17:16 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. And thank you,
  3086. 2:17:17 Unknown speaker Council. Um, I think this is a really
  3087. 2:17:20 Unknown speaker this and the transportation discussions
  3088. 2:17:21 Unknown speaker when we have new developments and
  3089. 2:17:23 Unknown speaker annexations. It's a really valuable use
  3090. 2:17:25 Unknown speaker of our time to actually dig into this
  3091. 2:17:26 Unknown speaker and make sure it works. This is the real
  3092. 2:17:27 Unknown speaker chance we get. I have a question for the
  3093. 2:17:29 Unknown speaker applicant here um or the applicant's
  3094. 2:17:31 Unknown speaker designate for today. Um, this is
  3095. 2:17:33 Unknown speaker probably not the conversation you
  3096. 2:17:34 Unknown speaker expected to have today, but um, maybe
  3097. 2:17:36 Unknown speaker it's curious, maybe it's peing your
  3098. 2:17:38 Unknown speaker interest as a landscape architect. Um,
  3099. 2:17:40 Unknown speaker here's here's what I maybe maybe am
  3100. 2:17:42 Unknown speaker thinking. I I might withdraw this for
  3101. 2:17:44 Unknown speaker tonight and ask that you take it to your
  3102. 2:17:46 Unknown speaker team. I'm looking at the concept plan
  3103. 2:17:48 Unknown speaker and I know it's not exactly perfectly to
  3104. 2:17:50 Unknown speaker scale, but it's close. And if I'm if my
  3105. 2:17:52 Unknown speaker mental uh acuity is decent here, what
  3106. 2:17:55 Unknown speaker I'm I'm seeing is that it might be right
  3107. 2:17:58 Unknown speaker on the boundary or right adjacent to
  3108. 2:18:00 Unknown speaker like the border of this where it may not
  3109. 2:18:02 Unknown speaker be a huge impediment to the plans. And
  3110. 2:18:04 Unknown speaker so what I'd appreciate is maybe you can
  3111. 2:18:06 Unknown speaker take a look and say, "Hey, does this fit
  3112. 2:18:07 Unknown speaker into your plans anyway? Your boundary
  3113. 2:18:09 Unknown speaker landscaping, the detention area,
  3114. 2:18:11 Unknown speaker whatever the pocket park, however you're
  3115. 2:18:12 Unknown speaker thinking about it. I know you haven't
  3116. 2:18:13 Unknown speaker decided exactly where where the pocket
  3117. 2:18:15 Unknown speaker park would be, but I'd appreciate maybe
  3118. 2:18:17 Unknown speaker if you guys could consider that and then
  3119. 2:18:18 Unknown speaker report back.
  3120. 2:18:19 Unknown speaker Yeah, I think we we could do that. Um
  3121. 2:18:21 Unknown speaker and I would appreciate withdrawing the
  3122. 2:18:23 Unknown speaker motion for tonight. Uh in my experience,
  3123. 2:18:26 Unknown speaker I've been on projects with silos that
  3124. 2:18:28 Unknown speaker have been attempted to be preserved. And
  3125. 2:18:30 Unknown speaker what often happens is they're not
  3126. 2:18:34 Unknown speaker structurally sound and so a lot of cost
  3127. 2:18:36 Unknown speaker has to go in into
  3128. 2:18:38 Unknown speaker preserving them.
  3129. 2:18:39 Unknown speaker Sure. Um, and they also sometimes
  3130. 2:18:41 Unknown speaker present a hazard for the community
  3131. 2:18:44 Unknown speaker because a brick falls off from the top
  3132. 2:18:48 Unknown speaker or kids try to climb.
  3133. 2:18:50 Unknown speaker Structural integrity and safety was part
  3134. 2:18:51 Unknown speaker of my motion originally anyway because I
  3135. 2:18:53 Unknown speaker was thinking about that and didn't want
  3136. 2:18:54 Unknown speaker to over complicated with that piece of
  3137. 2:18:56 Unknown speaker it for you all.
  3138. 2:18:56 Unknown speaker We've had issues where we had to fence
  3139. 2:18:58 Unknown speaker them off because kids will try to climb.
  3140. 2:19:00 Unknown speaker So,
  3141. 2:19:00 Unknown speaker cool. Um, I'm going to withdraw my
  3142. 2:19:02 Unknown speaker motion for tonight. Um and I would
  3143. 2:19:04 Unknown speaker appreciate if the applicant can consider
  3144. 2:19:06 Unknown speaker kind of if this would fit in um based on
  3145. 2:19:08 Unknown speaker the knowledge you have of that. Okay.
  3146. 2:19:09 Unknown speaker Appreciate it. Thank you.
  3147. 2:19:10 Unknown speaker Okay. Great. Thank you. So that motion
  3148. 2:19:12 Unknown speaker has been withdrawn.
  3149. 2:19:14 Unknown speaker And um did you have something? Oh no.
  3150. 2:19:18 Unknown speaker You council member Marcine. Go ahead.
  3151. 2:19:22 Unknown speaker Well, we're not done with silo talk
  3152. 2:19:24 Unknown speaker here. Um because I do think considering
  3153. 2:19:26 Unknown speaker that council member Popkin did withdraw
  3154. 2:19:28 Unknown speaker his motion. Um, I did I I actually have
  3155. 2:19:31 Unknown speaker a motion related to this because I do
  3156. 2:19:32 Unknown speaker think that this is worth HPC's time if
  3157. 2:19:35 Unknown speaker it is determined that um one of these
  3158. 2:19:38 Unknown speaker silos or both of these it sounds like
  3159. 2:19:39 Unknown speaker one of these silos is on the property.
  3160. 2:19:41 Unknown speaker [snorts] So, I just sent that over
  3161. 2:19:42 Unknown speaker Crystal. Um uh I move that as a
  3162. 2:19:46 Unknown speaker condition of annexation prior to
  3163. 2:19:48 Unknown speaker approval of a preliminary plat the
  3164. 2:19:49 Unknown speaker existing silo shall be referred to the
  3165. 2:19:52 Unknown speaker historic preservation commission for
  3166. 2:19:53 Unknown speaker review and comment regarding its
  3167. 2:19:55 Unknown speaker potential historic or cultural
  3168. 2:19:56 Unknown speaker significance and opportunities for
  3169. 2:19:57 Unknown speaker preservation or adaptive incorporation
  3170. 2:19:59 Unknown speaker into the development.
  3171. 2:20:00 Unknown speaker Second.
  3172. 2:20:01 Unknown speaker Okay. So the motion has been made to um
  3173. 2:20:05 Unknown speaker oh this is still up. Yeah. Um the motion
  3174. 2:20:08 Unknown speaker has been made to refer um the um an
  3175. 2:20:12 Unknown speaker analysis of the silo the on the property
  3176. 2:20:16 Unknown speaker to the um historical preservation
  3177. 2:20:19 Unknown speaker commission. And the motion was made by
  3178. 2:20:21 Unknown speaker council member Marcine and seconded by
  3179. 2:20:23 Unknown speaker Mayor Prom McCoy
  3180. 2:20:25 Unknown speaker because he doesn't want to be siloed in
  3181. 2:20:27 Unknown speaker his decision. [laughter]
  3182. 2:20:29 Unknown speaker I heard him over here. Um okay.
  3183. 2:20:32 Unknown speaker Um okay. Um Council Member Popkin, go
  3184. 2:20:36 Unknown speaker ahead.
  3185. 2:20:36 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. And thank you, Council
  3186. 2:20:37 Unknown speaker Member Ming. I don't really have any
  3187. 2:20:39 Unknown speaker objection to this approach. Um, what I
  3188. 2:20:40 Unknown speaker was curious about is is this necessary
  3189. 2:20:43 Unknown speaker if the development team comes back next
  3190. 2:20:45 Unknown speaker week and says, you know what, it works
  3191. 2:20:47 Unknown speaker and we can integrate this into this,
  3192. 2:20:50 Unknown speaker I guess. What's the what is the added
  3193. 2:20:52 Unknown speaker value?
  3194. 2:20:53 Unknown speaker So, um,
  3195. 2:20:54 Unknown speaker directed to you, mayor, but council me.
  3196. 2:20:56 Unknown speaker I would Okay, I have some thoughts. I
  3197. 2:20:59 Unknown speaker mean, I I think it might actually save
  3198. 2:21:01 Unknown speaker time on the developers end because
  3199. 2:21:02 Unknown speaker they're not having to do all the the
  3200. 2:21:04 Unknown speaker research. If the HBC comes back and says
  3201. 2:21:08 Unknown speaker it doesn't really hold s um you know
  3202. 2:21:12 Unknown speaker historical significance, then it kind it
  3203. 2:21:14 Unknown speaker takes that off their plate. Um but I
  3204. 2:21:19 Unknown speaker will let the maker of the motion to
  3205. 2:21:25 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um and and thank you, Mayor.
  3206. 2:21:27 Unknown speaker Just for reference, for those that have
  3207. 2:21:28 Unknown speaker not read an HPC packet, I really enjoy
  3208. 2:21:30 Unknown speaker the work that they do and if you haven't
  3209. 2:21:31 Unknown speaker watched those, it's a really good time.
  3210. 2:21:33 Unknown speaker Um there's a great deal of work that
  3211. 2:21:34 Unknown speaker goes into protecting historic landmarks
  3212. 2:21:36 Unknown speaker in the city. they um they're you know
  3213. 2:21:39 Unknown speaker staff can go as far as to pull archives
  3214. 2:21:41 Unknown speaker and look at the land surveys and go back
  3215. 2:21:43 Unknown speaker and see how far back and then the
  3216. 2:21:44 Unknown speaker historic preservation commission who are
  3217. 2:21:46 Unknown speaker designated experts one of just a couple
  3218. 2:21:48 Unknown speaker of boards that we have with both quasi
  3219. 2:21:49 Unknown speaker judicial power and actually designated
  3220. 2:21:52 Unknown speaker experts in their fields by by code and
  3221. 2:21:54 Unknown speaker that have to be a certain qualification
  3222. 2:21:56 Unknown speaker can review the historiosity of the item
  3223. 2:21:58 Unknown speaker and provide us with recommendations as
  3224. 2:22:00 Unknown speaker to whether it is historical so that if
  3225. 2:22:02 Unknown speaker the developer and to be clear I would be
  3226. 2:22:04 Unknown speaker really surprised if the developer just
  3227. 2:22:06 Unknown speaker were to come back to us and say, "Yep,
  3228. 2:22:08 Unknown speaker we can include this old 80-year-old silo
  3229. 2:22:11 Unknown speaker with no issues." Like, I would be really
  3230. 2:22:12 Unknown speaker really surprised by that. My expectation
  3231. 2:22:15 Unknown speaker would be that there are either
  3232. 2:22:16 Unknown speaker structural issues that that it doesn't
  3233. 2:22:18 Unknown speaker fit into the plan, that we're going to
  3234. 2:22:19 Unknown speaker lose units, like etc., etc., etc. I
  3235. 2:22:22 Unknown speaker think the appropriate place for that
  3236. 2:22:24 Unknown speaker conversation is HPC to evaluate the
  3237. 2:22:27 Unknown speaker historic nature of it, give us their
  3238. 2:22:29 Unknown speaker opinions, and then come back and in the
  3239. 2:22:31 Unknown speaker event they come back and discover, hey,
  3240. 2:22:33 Unknown speaker this is actually not on the property
  3241. 2:22:34 Unknown speaker line, amazing. disregard and move
  3242. 2:22:35 Unknown speaker forward with our lives. But um I I think
  3243. 2:22:38 Unknown speaker the added value is we have experts on
  3244. 2:22:40 Unknown speaker HPC that can answer the exact questions
  3245. 2:22:43 Unknown speaker about value and then
  3246. 2:22:45 Unknown speaker um
  3247. 2:22:46 Unknown speaker can can bring back us can bring us back.
  3248. 2:22:49 Unknown speaker Hey, this is what we think about the
  3249. 2:22:51 Unknown speaker overall historiosity of the item and
  3250. 2:22:52 Unknown speaker whether it is worth preservation in the
  3251. 2:22:54 Unknown speaker first place and if it is then um then we
  3252. 2:22:58 Unknown speaker can have that conversation. So yeah,
  3253. 2:22:59 Unknown speaker that's
  3254. 2:23:01 Unknown speaker great. Thank you. Um, council member.
  3255. 2:23:03 Unknown speaker Oh, go ahead. Yes,
  3256. 2:23:04 Unknown speaker I do just have a quick question about
  3257. 2:23:06 Unknown speaker the motion. Um, would it require that
  3258. 2:23:08 Unknown speaker HBC be a recommending body to the
  3259. 2:23:10 Unknown speaker planning and zoning commission who is
  3260. 2:23:11 Unknown speaker the final decision-making body for the
  3261. 2:23:13 Unknown speaker preliminary plant?
  3262. 2:23:16 Unknown speaker Um, I in my thinking, no. But unless I
  3263. 2:23:20 Unknown speaker mean is it required by code that they
  3264. 2:23:22 Unknown speaker would have to do that
  3265. 2:23:24 Unknown speaker because all I'm looking for would be an
  3266. 2:23:25 Unknown speaker informal
  3267. 2:23:27 Unknown speaker uh a more informal item related to histo
  3268. 2:23:30 Unknown speaker the historic nature of this specific
  3269. 2:23:32 Unknown speaker silo. I don't think it ties to
  3270. 2:23:34 Unknown speaker preliminary plat unless it's necessary
  3271. 2:23:35 Unknown speaker by code. I mean my answer would be no
  3272. 2:23:37 Unknown speaker but
  3273. 2:23:38 Unknown speaker having it done as I understood the uh
  3274. 2:23:40 Unknown speaker motion it would u HBC would weigh in
  3275. 2:23:42 Unknown speaker prior to the approval of any preliminary
  3276. 2:23:44 Unknown speaker plat but if you wanted that
  3277. 2:23:46 Unknown speaker recommendation to go along to the
  3278. 2:23:48 Unknown speaker planning and zoning commission
  3279. 2:23:50 Unknown speaker I mean I think ideally that's a timing
  3280. 2:23:52 Unknown speaker question the preliminary plat item more
  3281. 2:23:54 Unknown speaker than it is a condition of moving it to
  3282. 2:23:56 Unknown speaker PNZ. I think it's about timing and and
  3283. 2:23:58 Unknown speaker so theoretically if if if HPC could get
  3284. 2:24:00 Unknown speaker it on the docket in the next couple of
  3285. 2:24:02 Unknown speaker months if preliminary plat unless we're
  3286. 2:24:04 Unknown speaker that close then um that would be my
  3287. 2:24:06 Unknown speaker preference. It's more about timing than
  3288. 2:24:07 Unknown speaker it is about process in my mind.
  3289. 2:24:08 Unknown speaker Understood. Thank you.
  3290. 2:24:09 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3291. 2:24:10 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um okay. Yeah. Are we ready
  3292. 2:24:13 Unknown speaker to vote? We can we can call the
  3293. 2:24:15 Unknown speaker question. So um Council Member Coler,
  3294. 2:24:18 Unknown speaker thank you Mayor. I'll be quick. Um, so
  3295. 2:24:19 Unknown speaker we did tell we did say that we wanted
  3296. 2:24:21 Unknown speaker our boards to be more involved and this
  3297. 2:24:23 Unknown speaker is something that um they can uh weigh
  3298. 2:24:25 Unknown speaker in on and I'm in support of this because
  3299. 2:24:27 Unknown speaker I do want our boards to be more involved
  3300. 2:24:29 Unknown speaker and this is direction for them. So I'm
  3301. 2:24:30 Unknown speaker going to guess.
  3302. 2:24:31 Unknown speaker Thank you. Okay. Now let's go ahead and
  3303. 2:24:32 Unknown speaker vote.
  3304. 2:24:35 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  3305. 2:24:40 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries 6 to1 with
  3306. 2:24:42 Unknown speaker council member Prito in opposition. And
  3307. 2:24:45 Unknown speaker now we have to vote on
  3308. 2:24:48 Unknown speaker um unless we have something else. Go
  3309. 2:24:50 Unknown speaker ahead. Thank you.
  3310. 2:24:52 Unknown speaker I move
  3311. 2:24:54 Unknown speaker here we go.
  3312. 2:24:55 Unknown speaker Here we go.
  3313. 2:24:56 Unknown speaker I move uh ordinance uh uh
  3314. 2:25:00 Unknown speaker 2026
  3315. 2:25:01 Unknown speaker uh zero uh two uh uh 202662
  3316. 2:25:06 Unknown speaker as amended
  3317. 2:25:07 Unknown speaker as amended.
  3318. 2:25:09 Unknown speaker Okay, very good. Do we have a second?
  3319. 2:25:11 Unknown speaker Second.
  3320. 2:25:12 Unknown speaker Okay, so
  3321. 2:25:14 Unknown speaker So is that No, I don't think so.
  3322. 2:25:16 Unknown speaker It is not. It
  3323. 2:25:18 Unknown speaker should be 62.
  3324. 2:25:19 Unknown speaker 62.
  3325. 2:25:21 Unknown speaker Oh,
  3326. 2:25:22 Unknown speaker 63.
  3327. 2:25:23 Unknown speaker 63 is the next one.
  3328. 2:25:26 Unknown speaker 62. I read
  3329. 2:25:27 Unknown speaker 62 is correct.
  3330. 2:25:28 Unknown speaker Yes,
  3331. 2:25:28 Unknown speaker I read 62.
  3332. 2:25:31 Unknown speaker Okay. So, yes, it is 20. So, the motion
  3333. 2:25:35 Unknown speaker to move um ordinance 2026-62
  3334. 2:25:39 Unknown speaker as amended was made by Mayor Prom McCoy,
  3335. 2:25:41 Unknown speaker seconded by council member Popkin.
  3336. 2:25:56 Unknown speaker Okay,
  3337. 2:25:57 Unknown speaker I think she's working on it.
  3338. 2:26:04 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  3339. 2:26:19 Unknown speaker Okay. So, I'm waiting for
  3340. 2:26:21 Unknown speaker resetting it. Okay.
  3341. 2:26:31 Unknown speaker Okay, let's go.
  3342. 2:26:36 Unknown speaker So, yeah. So, the um motion to approve
  3343. 2:26:38 Unknown speaker ordinance 2026-62 as amended was made by
  3344. 2:26:41 Unknown speaker Mayor Prom um McCoy and seconded by
  3345. 2:26:44 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin and then
  3346. 2:26:48 Unknown speaker Okay. So, yes.
  3347. 2:26:51 Unknown speaker Yep. Super briefly. I thank I appreciate
  3348. 2:26:53 Unknown speaker the applicant being here tonight and uh
  3349. 2:26:55 Unknown speaker responding to some of the questions. Um
  3350. 2:26:57 Unknown speaker I I think for residents of our
  3351. 2:26:59 Unknown speaker community, especially in this area, um
  3352. 2:27:01 Unknown speaker it's important that we consider the
  3353. 2:27:03 Unknown speaker impacts of this development on
  3354. 2:27:04 Unknown speaker neighborhood part neighboring parts of
  3355. 2:27:06 Unknown speaker our community. Um I think the
  3356. 2:27:08 Unknown speaker transportation stuff that in particular
  3357. 2:27:09 Unknown speaker that we looked at there, though I
  3358. 2:27:11 Unknown speaker obviously like silos, too. Um but the
  3359. 2:27:13 Unknown speaker transportation pieces of this um are
  3360. 2:27:15 Unknown speaker really critical to get right and to be
  3361. 2:27:17 Unknown speaker clear about about what we want. So I
  3362. 2:27:18 Unknown speaker think
  3363. 2:27:19 Unknown speaker Okay, thanks. Crystal, did you want a
  3364. 2:27:21 Unknown speaker verbal vote or Oh, nope. It showed up
  3365. 2:27:23 Unknown speaker now.
  3366. 2:27:33 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously.
  3367. 2:27:35 Unknown speaker Thank you very much. Um, so we do have
  3368. 2:27:38 Unknown speaker item B, ordinance 2026-63.
  3369. 2:27:42 Unknown speaker Um, if this feels like it's going to go
  3370. 2:27:45 Unknown speaker a longer one. Do we need to take a
  3371. 2:27:46 Unknown speaker break?
  3372. 2:27:47 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3373. 2:27:49 Unknown speaker Are we sure? Yeah.
  3374. 2:27:51 Unknown speaker [laughter] Council member Popkin, go
  3375. 2:27:52 Unknown speaker ahead.
  3376. 2:27:53 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  3377. 2:27:58 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor. Um, I have two brief
  3378. 2:28:00 Unknown speaker amendments on this that I think are are
  3379. 2:28:03 Unknown speaker substantive but largely um not
  3380. 2:28:06 Unknown speaker meaningful for the overall kind of
  3381. 2:28:07 Unknown speaker programmatic aspect of this. Um I I'll
  3382. 2:28:10 Unknown speaker propose um I'll propose the first one,
  3383. 2:28:13 Unknown speaker then I'll briefly explain it. I'll
  3384. 2:28:14 Unknown speaker propose the second one. We'll move from
  3385. 2:28:16 Unknown speaker there. Um, so I would like to motion to
  3386. 2:28:18 Unknown speaker amend the term quote on billill charge
  3387. 2:28:23 Unknown speaker um to on bill improvement repayment
  3388. 2:28:26 Unknown speaker consistently throughout the ordinance.
  3389. 2:28:32 Unknown speaker Okay. So the motion has been made to
  3390. 2:28:34 Unknown speaker amend ordinance 2026-63
  3391. 2:28:37 Unknown speaker from changing on
  3392. 2:28:40 Unknown speaker charge to on
  3393. 2:28:41 Unknown speaker on bill to change on bill charge I had
  3394. 2:28:44 Unknown speaker it in front of my screen to on bill
  3395. 2:28:47 Unknown speaker improvement repayment
  3396. 2:28:50 Unknown speaker um and then have that change occur
  3397. 2:28:52 Unknown speaker consistently throughout the ordinance.
  3398. 2:28:53 Unknown speaker Do we have a second?
  3399. 2:28:55 Unknown speaker Okay. And the item has been made by
  3400. 2:28:57 Unknown speaker council member Popkins, seconded by
  3401. 2:28:58 Unknown speaker council member Coloffer.
  3402. 2:29:00 Unknown speaker Okay. think you to briefly explain and I
  3403. 2:29:02 Unknown speaker think really that's all. So on bill
  3404. 2:29:04 Unknown speaker financing is a way to pay as for for for
  3405. 2:29:08 Unknown speaker everyone's understanding is a way to um
  3406. 2:29:10 Unknown speaker finance upgrades to your efficiency to
  3407. 2:29:13 Unknown speaker your conservation efforts to your
  3408. 2:29:14 Unknown speaker property specifically. Um and this is a
  3409. 2:29:18 Unknown speaker actually a really innovative financing
  3410. 2:29:20 Unknown speaker mechanism to allow more people to access
  3411. 2:29:23 Unknown speaker these improvements to reduce their
  3412. 2:29:24 Unknown speaker energy bills and to improve the
  3413. 2:29:25 Unknown speaker affordability of life in Longmont. Um I
  3414. 2:29:29 Unknown speaker I boked at the term charge and I ran
  3415. 2:29:31 Unknown speaker this by staff as well just to confirm um
  3416. 2:29:33 Unknown speaker because we have a lot of charges and
  3417. 2:29:34 Unknown speaker fees and on our bills and and that's not
  3418. 2:29:36 Unknown speaker what this is. This is not a charge that
  3419. 2:29:38 Unknown speaker LPC would be imposing on someone invol
  3420. 2:29:41 Unknown speaker like as part of just their billing
  3421. 2:29:42 Unknown speaker process. It would be something that I
  3422. 2:29:44 Unknown speaker like if I wanted to finance attic
  3423. 2:29:46 Unknown speaker insulation through this. Like that's
  3424. 2:29:48 Unknown speaker something I'm opting into. And so this
  3425. 2:29:50 Unknown speaker is truly a repayment of this. And I
  3426. 2:29:52 Unknown speaker think the change in term actually
  3427. 2:29:53 Unknown speaker substantively matters in terms of what
  3428. 2:29:55 Unknown speaker it's actually representing on your bill.
  3429. 2:29:57 Unknown speaker So, I wanted to differentiate those
  3430. 2:29:58 Unknown speaker different fees and charges.
  3431. 2:29:59 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um, seeing no one else
  3432. 2:30:01 Unknown speaker in the queue, let's go ahead and vote on
  3433. 2:30:03 Unknown speaker this.
  3434. 2:30:12 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. You
  3435. 2:30:14 Unknown speaker said you had a second item to go ahead
  3436. 2:30:17 Unknown speaker and then I'm going to let him
  3437. 2:30:20 Unknown speaker go ahead.
  3438. 2:30:20 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I have one more. Uh,
  3439. 2:30:22 Unknown speaker in a similar spirit, I would like to
  3440. 2:30:24 Unknown speaker motion to amend the definition of quote
  3441. 2:30:26 Unknown speaker eligible improvement uh to add quote and
  3442. 2:30:30 Unknown speaker requested by the customer to the end of
  3443. 2:30:33 Unknown speaker the definition for eligible improvement
  3444. 2:30:34 Unknown speaker in section two.
  3445. 2:30:38 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the motion has been made to
  3446. 2:30:40 Unknown speaker amend um the definition of eligible
  3447. 2:30:43 Unknown speaker improvement to add um and requested by
  3448. 2:30:46 Unknown speaker the customer to the end of definition of
  3449. 2:30:48 Unknown speaker the definition in section two. Is there
  3450. 2:30:50 Unknown speaker a second on this motion? So, council
  3451. 2:30:52 Unknown speaker member Marcen. Motion was made by
  3452. 2:30:54 Unknown speaker council member Popkin, seconded by
  3453. 2:30:57 Unknown speaker council member Marcine. Okay.
  3454. 2:31:02 Unknown speaker Are you needing to speak on this
  3455. 2:31:03 Unknown speaker very briefly?
  3456. 2:31:04 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3457. 2:31:04 Unknown speaker Uh, so to the to the very same intent
  3458. 2:31:07 Unknown speaker before, this is not something that LPC
  3459. 2:31:10 Unknown speaker is pushing onto a customer. This is
  3460. 2:31:12 Unknown speaker something that would be a repayment
  3461. 2:31:13 Unknown speaker based on um a customer requesting this
  3462. 2:31:18 Unknown speaker upgrade and financing it through their
  3463. 2:31:20 Unknown speaker bill. And so this specifically makes
  3464. 2:31:22 Unknown speaker sure that this is an improvement that is
  3465. 2:31:25 Unknown speaker not only Hold on, let me pull up the
  3466. 2:31:26 Unknown speaker exact language. Um
  3467. 2:31:29 Unknown speaker improvement, where did that go? Uh yeah.
  3468. 2:31:32 Unknown speaker um that is not just installed at a
  3469. 2:31:35 Unknown speaker service address um but also requested
  3470. 2:31:38 Unknown speaker specifically by a customer reflecting
  3471. 2:31:40 Unknown speaker the the very intent of this.
  3472. 2:31:42 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um seeing no one in the
  3473. 2:31:44 Unknown speaker queue, let's go ahead and vote on this.
  3474. 2:31:54 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously. Um,
  3475. 2:31:57 Unknown speaker now do um
  3476. 2:32:00 Unknown speaker council member Christ. Yeah, I was
  3477. 2:32:01 Unknown speaker waiting on her. Um, go ahead.
  3478. 2:32:04 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor.
  3479. 2:32:06 Unknown speaker So, my concern has to do with um the um
  3480. 2:32:12 Unknown speaker page five of the ordinance um
  3481. 2:32:15 Unknown speaker section B3
  3482. 2:32:19 Unknown speaker which uh [sighs and gasps] contemplates
  3483. 2:32:21 Unknown speaker if you fall behind on your bill even for
  3484. 2:32:25 Unknown speaker the um what are we calling it now? the
  3485. 2:32:29 Unknown speaker on bill improvement repayment
  3486. 2:32:32 Unknown speaker um that you can your service can be
  3487. 2:32:34 Unknown speaker discontinued
  3488. 2:32:37 Unknown speaker and um in talking with um Susan Bartlett
  3489. 2:32:40 Unknown speaker about this some improvements um and she
  3490. 2:32:44 Unknown speaker mentioned that Fort Collins had capped
  3491. 2:32:46 Unknown speaker theirs at $40,000
  3492. 2:32:48 Unknown speaker um for per customer and um but it could
  3493. 2:32:51 Unknown speaker go as high as $70,000. So, we're talking
  3494. 2:32:54 Unknown speaker about payments that go on for uh quite
  3495. 2:32:57 Unknown speaker some years and things happen. So, I
  3496. 2:33:01 Unknown speaker would hate uh for someone to lose all of
  3497. 2:33:03 Unknown speaker their electric service because they
  3498. 2:33:05 Unknown speaker become became unemployed and and weren't
  3499. 2:33:07 Unknown speaker able to to pay
  3500. 2:33:10 Unknown speaker the on bill improvement charge.
  3501. 2:33:16 Unknown speaker Do we have someone from staff?
  3502. 2:33:19 Unknown speaker Oh, yeah. There she is. I see.
  3503. 2:33:22 Unknown speaker Mhm.
  3504. 2:33:35 Unknown speaker Mayor, council members, Susan Bartlett,
  3505. 2:33:37 Unknown speaker director of energy strategies and
  3506. 2:33:39 Unknown speaker solutions with Longline Power.
  3507. 2:33:43 Unknown speaker Hello. [laughter]
  3508. 2:33:44 Unknown speaker Thank you for waiting this long. So
  3509. 2:33:47 Unknown speaker Susan, I don't have uh you and I
  3510. 2:33:49 Unknown speaker exchanged emails and we talked about,
  3511. 2:33:51 Unknown speaker you know, the city has to have some way
  3512. 2:33:53 Unknown speaker to recover,
  3513. 2:33:56 Unknown speaker but I'm wondering if um having someone
  3514. 2:33:59 Unknown speaker be outside of electric service is is
  3515. 2:34:02 Unknown speaker going to be helpful for them if they
  3516. 2:34:03 Unknown speaker can't pay the additional fee. Um, and
  3517. 2:34:07 Unknown speaker I'm I'm just wondering, you know, we
  3518. 2:34:09 Unknown speaker have resources for if people can't pay
  3519. 2:34:12 Unknown speaker their bill, they can apply for CARES,
  3520. 2:34:14 Unknown speaker they can um they can make payment
  3521. 2:34:17 Unknown speaker arrangements. And I'm just wondering
  3522. 2:34:18 Unknown speaker what other alternatives we could have to
  3523. 2:34:21 Unknown speaker discontinuing service, but still
  3524. 2:34:24 Unknown speaker maintaining the city's
  3525. 2:34:26 Unknown speaker um collection ability for this.
  3526. 2:34:32 Unknown speaker Well, that is the main u mechanism that
  3527. 2:34:35 Unknown speaker the city has for collecting on any nonp
  3528. 2:34:39 Unknown speaker payment of any portion of a utility
  3529. 2:34:41 Unknown speaker bill, whether it's the electric or water
  3530. 2:34:43 Unknown speaker or um waste. And and so uh that's one of
  3531. 2:34:49 Unknown speaker the reasons why on bill repayment
  3532. 2:34:51 Unknown speaker programs can be so successful is there's
  3533. 2:34:54 Unknown speaker a lower barrier for entry, but there's
  3534. 2:34:57 Unknown speaker also the incentive of keeping current on
  3535. 2:35:01 Unknown speaker your bills. And so there's a very low um
  3536. 2:35:06 Unknown speaker there's a very low default rate on these
  3537. 2:35:10 Unknown speaker kinds of lending programs. And you
  3538. 2:35:14 Unknown speaker mentioned some of the programs that we
  3539. 2:35:15 Unknown speaker do already have in place when people get
  3540. 2:35:17 Unknown speaker behind on their utility bills like um
  3541. 2:35:20 Unknown speaker CARES and uh there are other state
  3542. 2:35:24 Unknown speaker programs too that we can direct people
  3543. 2:35:26 Unknown speaker to. But one of the things that you might
  3544. 2:35:29 Unknown speaker keep in mind is if um we have these
  3545. 2:35:31 Unknown speaker additional fees on the bill um you know
  3546. 2:35:33 Unknown speaker it's sort of one more trigger that we're
  3547. 2:35:35 Unknown speaker looking at on uh customers bills and uh
  3548. 2:35:39 Unknown speaker we would be alerted if they were to
  3549. 2:35:43 Unknown speaker become in a rears for this portion as
  3550. 2:35:46 Unknown speaker well. uh and we could reach out to them
  3551. 2:35:49 Unknown speaker um more assertively perhaps than
  3552. 2:35:52 Unknown speaker ordinarily we might to help them get
  3553. 2:35:55 Unknown speaker right side up.
  3554. 2:35:57 Unknown speaker Well, what um what type of payments
  3555. 2:35:59 Unknown speaker would we be talking about? I'm guess I'm
  3556. 2:36:02 Unknown speaker wondering when you say capped at 40,000.
  3557. 2:36:04 Unknown speaker I'm thinking, well, that's a lot to
  3558. 2:36:05 Unknown speaker borrow from the city.
  3559. 2:36:07 Unknown speaker Well, and um the city doesn't isn't
  3560. 2:36:09 Unknown speaker proposing a program at this time. We're
  3561. 2:36:11 Unknown speaker just proposing a change to the code
  3562. 2:36:14 Unknown speaker language that allows us to consider some
  3563. 2:36:17 Unknown speaker of these financing mechanisms. If um
  3564. 2:36:21 Unknown speaker city council were to direct us to look
  3565. 2:36:25 Unknown speaker into this, we would want to develop a
  3566. 2:36:27 Unknown speaker program based on financing that might be
  3567. 2:36:30 Unknown speaker available. Um, and that
  3568. 2:36:35 Unknown speaker that uh capital, whatever the capital
  3569. 2:36:38 Unknown speaker would be, would drive the program. So,
  3570. 2:36:42 Unknown speaker if we only have a million dollars, um,
  3571. 2:36:46 Unknown speaker you know, at $15,000 a project, that's
  3572. 2:36:48 Unknown speaker only 60 projects. So, we might want to
  3573. 2:36:50 Unknown speaker lower our maximum loan amount and our
  3574. 2:36:54 Unknown speaker loan period to accommodate the money
  3575. 2:36:56 Unknown speaker that we had uh as part of funding for
  3576. 2:37:00 Unknown speaker this program. If we hit the lottery and
  3577. 2:37:03 Unknown speaker we get a great big fat grant, that might
  3578. 2:37:05 Unknown speaker change things a little bit based on how
  3579. 2:37:07 Unknown speaker long the loan period would be and how
  3580. 2:37:09 Unknown speaker much we would be able to finance. Does
  3581. 2:37:13 Unknown speaker that make sense?
  3582. 2:37:14 Unknown speaker It does. And you have a provision for if
  3583. 2:37:16 Unknown speaker it's a third party that that's handled
  3584. 2:37:18 Unknown speaker through the third party. So um would
  3585. 2:37:22 Unknown speaker they also discontinue service? They
  3586. 2:37:24 Unknown speaker wouldn't necessarily have the right to
  3587. 2:37:26 Unknown speaker discontinue
  3588. 2:37:28 Unknown speaker LPC's service regular. One of the things
  3589. 2:37:31 Unknown speaker that we'd like to explore as we look at
  3590. 2:37:34 Unknown speaker some of the options available to the
  3591. 2:37:36 Unknown speaker city um you as I said the the the
  3592. 2:37:43 Unknown speaker disconnect um mechanism is motivation
  3593. 2:37:46 Unknown speaker for customers to pay. However, um some
  3594. 2:37:51 Unknown speaker of the feedback that we've gotten from
  3595. 2:37:52 Unknown speaker legal counsel is can we use the city's
  3596. 2:37:56 Unknown speaker mechanisms to collect on a on a
  3597. 2:37:58 Unknown speaker third-party financial arrangement and we
  3598. 2:38:01 Unknown speaker would want to dive into that a little
  3599. 2:38:03 Unknown speaker bit deeper with our legal department
  3600. 2:38:05 Unknown speaker and that would be addressed in a
  3601. 2:38:06 Unknown speaker different ordinance not added on or
  3602. 2:38:09 Unknown speaker changed in this particular ordinance
  3603. 2:38:11 Unknown speaker that we're voting on tonight.
  3604. 2:38:12 Unknown speaker Correct. And that would be part of any
  3605. 2:38:14 Unknown speaker program design then that would come back
  3606. 2:38:16 Unknown speaker to city council.
  3607. 2:38:17 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3608. 2:38:17 Unknown speaker Yeah. I would look at this ordinance as
  3609. 2:38:19 Unknown speaker an enabling ordinance that allows us to
  3610. 2:38:22 Unknown speaker then go forward and and develop a plan.
  3611. 2:38:26 Unknown speaker Um because depending on the process,
  3612. 2:38:28 Unknown speaker there are different issues. So if you
  3613. 2:38:30 Unknown speaker have a third party, the third party may
  3614. 2:38:32 Unknown speaker have their own requirements to come
  3615. 2:38:34 Unknown speaker back. If we're doing it directly, there
  3616. 2:38:36 Unknown speaker are a few issues that we have to impact.
  3617. 2:38:38 Unknown speaker You know, one of the issues is in our
  3618. 2:38:40 Unknown speaker charter is we can't lend our credit to
  3619. 2:38:42 Unknown speaker others, which then we have to have that
  3620. 2:38:46 Unknown speaker mechanism in order to ensure repayment.
  3621. 2:38:49 Unknown speaker Um, and behind all of this, we have to
  3622. 2:38:52 Unknown speaker manage the funding that we're putting
  3623. 2:38:54 Unknown speaker into it because at the end of the day,
  3624. 2:38:56 Unknown speaker then if someone doesn't pay it back, we
  3625. 2:38:58 Unknown speaker have to have a mechanism um to collect
  3626. 2:39:01 Unknown speaker otherwise then the other rateayers are
  3627. 2:39:03 Unknown speaker subsidizing that piece. So, but I would
  3628. 2:39:05 Unknown speaker say those are questions for the future.
  3629. 2:39:08 Unknown speaker This is an enabling ordinance.
  3630. 2:39:09 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  3631. 2:39:10 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3632. 2:39:10 Unknown speaker So when you we bring back this program,
  3633. 2:39:13 Unknown speaker you may have other suggestions.
  3634. 2:39:15 Unknown speaker Mhm.
  3635. 2:39:16 Unknown speaker Okay. Well, fair enough.
  3636. 2:39:18 Unknown speaker Is there anyone else that has
  3637. 2:39:20 Unknown speaker I see someone else in the queue. Um and
  3638. 2:39:22 Unknown speaker then uh and it's regard to this this um
  3639. 2:39:25 Unknown speaker ordinance that we are um on um going to
  3640. 2:39:29 Unknown speaker be voting on tonight. Um Council Member
  3641. 2:39:32 Unknown speaker Prito,
  3642. 2:39:33 Unknown speaker just a quick question. You know,
  3643. 2:39:35 Unknown speaker something that I thought about when I
  3644. 2:39:36 Unknown speaker looked at this
  3645. 2:39:38 Unknown speaker um was just kind of capacity and city
  3646. 2:39:42 Unknown speaker projects and what we're taking on and
  3647. 2:39:45 Unknown speaker what we want to prioritize. And so like
  3648. 2:39:49 Unknown speaker and it just seems like a lot of leg work
  3649. 2:39:51 Unknown speaker and
  3650. 2:39:52 Unknown speaker um really having to follow up with
  3651. 2:39:54 Unknown speaker customers and I get the intent and
  3652. 2:39:56 Unknown speaker spirit of it like we definitely want to
  3653. 2:39:59 Unknown speaker provide specific services to customers
  3654. 2:40:01 Unknown speaker who may be to like reduce the amount of
  3655. 2:40:05 Unknown speaker you know electricity that they're using
  3656. 2:40:06 Unknown speaker or allow them to have solar panels or
  3657. 2:40:08 Unknown speaker whatever the equipment is that we're
  3658. 2:40:10 Unknown speaker going to bring in to help with that. But
  3659. 2:40:12 Unknown speaker I'm just curious around
  3660. 2:40:15 Unknown speaker how much capacity is this going to take
  3661. 2:40:17 Unknown speaker up? Is this going to be another staff
  3662. 2:40:19 Unknown speaker person um having to track and monitor
  3663. 2:40:22 Unknown speaker and then dealing with a third party? Um
  3664. 2:40:26 Unknown speaker you know, we've had conversations around
  3665. 2:40:28 Unknown speaker the city really being um lean on on
  3666. 2:40:33 Unknown speaker staff and really looking at the projects
  3667. 2:40:36 Unknown speaker that we are um participating in. and I'm
  3668. 2:40:40 Unknown speaker just I'm just wanting to hear your input
  3669. 2:40:43 Unknown speaker on that piece.
  3670. 2:40:44 Unknown speaker I appreciate the question and also the
  3671. 2:40:46 Unknown speaker respect for time and effort. And I think
  3672. 2:40:49 Unknown speaker I will just repeat what the mayor
  3673. 2:40:52 Unknown speaker indicated that um this language doesn't
  3674. 2:40:56 Unknown speaker mean we're moving forward. We're going
  3675. 2:40:58 Unknown speaker to develop develop a program. What it
  3676. 2:41:00 Unknown speaker does is it changes the code enough to
  3677. 2:41:03 Unknown speaker allow us to consider these kinds of
  3678. 2:41:05 Unknown speaker opportunities as they come our way. Um
  3679. 2:41:09 Unknown speaker so so having the language doesn't mean
  3680. 2:41:12 Unknown speaker we're going to race out and do it. It
  3681. 2:41:13 Unknown speaker just means that we can we have that
  3682. 2:41:16 Unknown speaker opportunity to evaluate
  3683. 2:41:18 Unknown speaker opportunities that that come our way.
  3684. 2:41:21 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3685. 2:41:22 Unknown speaker Yeah. And I will say based on the
  3686. 2:41:23 Unknown speaker questions I think that's something that
  3687. 2:41:25 Unknown speaker we will be evaluating
  3688. 2:41:27 Unknown speaker at you know as we look at this part of
  3689. 2:41:29 Unknown speaker it is there has been some funding that
  3690. 2:41:32 Unknown speaker potentially could be available. We
  3691. 2:41:33 Unknown speaker didn't necessarily have a mechanism. So
  3692. 2:41:35 Unknown speaker this gives them the avail ability should
  3693. 2:41:37 Unknown speaker funding become available to actually
  3694. 2:41:39 Unknown speaker implement something. Um to your question
  3695. 2:41:43 Unknown speaker though, I think that is something we'll
  3696. 2:41:44 Unknown speaker be very mindful of in terms of whatever
  3697. 2:41:47 Unknown speaker it is that we're going to do, what does
  3698. 2:41:49 Unknown speaker it take and how does it impact
  3699. 2:41:50 Unknown speaker operations. Um it's kind of where
  3700. 2:41:52 Unknown speaker typically if you can look at a third
  3701. 2:41:54 Unknown speaker party that's easier simply because
  3702. 2:41:56 Unknown speaker you're not doing the leg work. But those
  3703. 2:41:58 Unknown speaker those are things that we're going to be
  3704. 2:41:59 Unknown speaker paying a lot of attention to.
  3705. 2:42:01 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. And then I think just my one
  3706. 2:42:03 Unknown speaker piece of input in this program is kind
  3707. 2:42:06 Unknown speaker of to council member Chris's um thing
  3708. 2:42:09 Unknown speaker that she brought up her about the
  3709. 2:42:11 Unknown speaker disconnection.
  3710. 2:42:13 Unknown speaker Um I would hate to put a resident in a
  3711. 2:42:16 Unknown speaker position to where their services are
  3712. 2:42:18 Unknown speaker disconnected and uh our utility bills
  3713. 2:42:22 Unknown speaker are already pretty high and so if it was
  3714. 2:42:25 Unknown speaker a third party just making sure it's the
  3715. 2:42:28 Unknown speaker third party that the city can collect.
  3716. 2:42:30 Unknown speaker But at whatever point if the resident
  3717. 2:42:33 Unknown speaker was able was not able to continue paying
  3718. 2:42:37 Unknown speaker that the disconnection would not happen.
  3719. 2:42:40 Unknown speaker I would want to see that kept
  3720. 2:42:42 Unknown speaker separately.
  3721. 2:42:44 Unknown speaker Um
  3722. 2:42:46 Unknown speaker and yeah, so I I don't know. Again,
  3723. 2:42:48 Unknown speaker we're talking theoretically here, but
  3724. 2:42:50 Unknown speaker just having that kind of at the front
  3725. 2:42:52 Unknown speaker and center of kind of those
  3726. 2:42:54 Unknown speaker conversations and and while you're
  3727. 2:42:55 Unknown speaker negotiating.
  3728. 2:42:56 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  3729. 2:42:57 Unknown speaker Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you.
  3730. 2:42:58 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, Council Member Popkin.
  3731. 2:43:01 Unknown speaker Yeah. Uh, couple quick comments and then
  3732. 2:43:02 Unknown speaker I'm going to make a motion on this. Um,
  3733. 2:43:04 Unknown speaker thank you, Susan. I appreciate it. Um, I
  3734. 2:43:06 Unknown speaker just want to note that, um, when people
  3735. 2:43:08 Unknown speaker asked me last fall how I'd make utility
  3736. 2:43:11 Unknown speaker bills more affordable, this is one of
  3737. 2:43:13 Unknown speaker the strategies that I offered and one
  3738. 2:43:15 Unknown speaker that we should be offering. This is not
  3739. 2:43:17 Unknown speaker available to every customer in the
  3740. 2:43:18 Unknown speaker country because not it's dependent on
  3741. 2:43:21 Unknown speaker what utilities offer. But what this is
  3742. 2:43:22 Unknown speaker at its core is a way to access low uh
  3743. 2:43:26 Unknown speaker low in lowcost financing for people who
  3744. 2:43:28 Unknown speaker may not actually have abilities to tap
  3745. 2:43:30 Unknown speaker into any kind of financing normally.
  3746. 2:43:32 Unknown speaker This is a way to offer lowerc cost
  3747. 2:43:34 Unknown speaker financing to people who are I don't know
  3748. 2:43:35 Unknown speaker if you've tried to finance anything
  3749. 2:43:36 Unknown speaker recently, but the rates are going up.
  3750. 2:43:38 Unknown speaker They aren't getting cheaper. The cost of
  3751. 2:43:40 Unknown speaker money is increasing. And this is one of
  3752. 2:43:42 Unknown speaker those strategies where we are able to
  3753. 2:43:44 Unknown speaker back a more accessible way to finance
  3754. 2:43:46 Unknown speaker energy conservation, energy effort,
  3755. 2:43:48 Unknown speaker energy efficiency and water conservation
  3756. 2:43:50 Unknown speaker efforts and water efficiency effort. Uh
  3757. 2:43:52 Unknown speaker yeah, water efficiency efforts in a way
  3758. 2:43:54 Unknown speaker to not only reduce our resource
  3759. 2:43:56 Unknown speaker consumption as a community, but to
  3760. 2:43:57 Unknown speaker reduce people's bills. Now to the
  3761. 2:44:00 Unknown speaker concern about disconnect, look, that
  3762. 2:44:01 Unknown speaker should be a consideration anytime we
  3763. 2:44:03 Unknown speaker talk about any kind of utility program,
  3764. 2:44:05 Unknown speaker but this is an opt-in. If created, this
  3765. 2:44:07 Unknown speaker would be an opt-in to residents who want
  3766. 2:44:09 Unknown speaker to finance something through their bill.
  3767. 2:44:11 Unknown speaker And so it's it's truly an opportunity um
  3768. 2:44:14 Unknown speaker for them to access lowerc cost financing
  3769. 2:44:16 Unknown speaker that they may not be able to. Often uh
  3770. 2:44:19 Unknown speaker times uh on bill financing programs
  3771. 2:44:21 Unknown speaker don't have a credit requirement um
  3772. 2:44:23 Unknown speaker because they're aimed at just utility
  3773. 2:44:25 Unknown speaker bill history and I don't know what the
  3774. 2:44:27 Unknown speaker structure of this program will
  3775. 2:44:28 Unknown speaker ultimately be, but that is how you make
  3776. 2:44:29 Unknown speaker it more accessible to people um who
  3777. 2:44:31 Unknown speaker don't have a long credit. So, with that,
  3778. 2:44:34 Unknown speaker I'm going to make a motion uh to approve
  3779. 2:44:36 Unknown speaker ordinance uh uh ordinance 20263.
  3780. 2:44:40 Unknown speaker So, okay. So, do we have a second?
  3781. 2:44:43 Unknown speaker As amended.
  3782. 2:44:44 Unknown speaker As amended.
  3783. 2:44:46 Unknown speaker Okay. So, the uh motion has been made to
  3784. 2:44:48 Unknown speaker approve ordinance 2026-63
  3785. 2:44:51 Unknown speaker as amended. And the uh motion was made
  3786. 2:44:53 Unknown speaker by council member Popkin, seconded by
  3787. 2:44:55 Unknown speaker council member Coloffer. Okay. Council
  3788. 2:44:58 Unknown speaker member Prietto,
  3789. 2:44:59 Unknown speaker just a quick response to the comment I
  3790. 2:45:02 Unknown speaker heard around this program being
  3791. 2:45:04 Unknown speaker available to folks who typically don't
  3792. 2:45:06 Unknown speaker qualify for these types of credit
  3793. 2:45:08 Unknown speaker programs.
  3794. 2:45:10 Unknown speaker just I mean just an additional layer to
  3795. 2:45:12 Unknown speaker think about like if this is for folks
  3796. 2:45:14 Unknown speaker who typically wouldn't qualify for like
  3797. 2:45:15 Unknown speaker a credit card or a loan then you got to
  3798. 2:45:19 Unknown speaker ask the question of like
  3799. 2:45:21 Unknown speaker are is that a certain subset of folks
  3800. 2:45:23 Unknown speaker that may not be able to afford these
  3801. 2:45:26 Unknown speaker after
  3802. 2:45:28 Unknown speaker getting into the program? And so just
  3803. 2:45:29 Unknown speaker just wanting us to be cognizant and
  3804. 2:45:31 Unknown speaker making and and and we'll do our research
  3805. 2:45:33 Unknown speaker too and make sure that these programs
  3806. 2:45:34 Unknown speaker around the state or the country are not
  3807. 2:45:37 Unknown speaker targeting folks either. Um but just
  3808. 2:45:40 Unknown speaker wanted to make that comment because I
  3809. 2:45:42 Unknown speaker thought some I thought of it.
  3810. 2:45:43 Unknown speaker Yeah. No, no, and I I appreciate that.
  3811. 2:45:45 Unknown speaker You know, I think about people who would
  3812. 2:45:47 Unknown speaker benefit from this and as I've seen in my
  3813. 2:45:49 Unknown speaker um you know, just career and supporting
  3814. 2:45:52 Unknown speaker parents and and just being in a space of
  3815. 2:45:56 Unknown speaker having to take out a payday loan.
  3816. 2:45:58 Unknown speaker Yeah. And I I look at this as people who
  3817. 2:46:02 Unknown speaker would be using using those options
  3818. 2:46:05 Unknown speaker because there are no other options of
  3819. 2:46:07 Unknown speaker having to get into and that is painful
  3820. 2:46:09 Unknown speaker to get out of. And so this is actually
  3821. 2:46:14 Unknown speaker building that bridge so that people can
  3822. 2:46:17 Unknown speaker repay and fall, you know, once they fall
  3823. 2:46:19 Unknown speaker behind and then get back um back in um
  3824. 2:46:23 Unknown speaker back on track. So, and and it's nice
  3825. 2:46:25 Unknown speaker that the city would be able to um to
  3826. 2:46:28 Unknown speaker offer that that program. Council member
  3827. 2:46:30 Unknown speaker Colopper.
  3828. 2:46:31 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I have a quick
  3829. 2:46:32 Unknown speaker question. If um if our residents go
  3830. 2:46:36 Unknown speaker behind, do we have late fees on our
  3831. 2:46:38 Unknown speaker bills or
  3832. 2:46:40 Unknown speaker and would the late fees also qualify on
  3833. 2:46:43 Unknown speaker these repayments as well?
  3834. 2:46:46 Unknown speaker Or is there interest on late fees?
  3835. 2:46:50 Unknown speaker potential.
  3836. 2:46:52 Unknown speaker Uh good evening, Mayor Council Lance
  3837. 2:46:55 Unknown speaker Smith, director of business enablement.
  3838. 2:46:57 Unknown speaker Um we do have late fees. Uh there is no
  3839. 2:47:00 Unknown speaker interest charged on a late fee.
  3840. 2:47:02 Unknown speaker Yeah. So this is basically
  3841. 2:47:05 Unknown speaker more a cheaper loan versus going to a
  3842. 2:47:08 Unknown speaker payday loan or something like that. And
  3843. 2:47:10 Unknown speaker and we as a city are trying to figure
  3844. 2:47:11 Unknown speaker out how to make people's bills lower by
  3845. 2:47:14 Unknown speaker helping them do improvements that they
  3846. 2:47:16 Unknown speaker can pay off over time. So this is
  3847. 2:47:18 Unknown speaker exciting.
  3848. 2:47:18 Unknown speaker Okay. Very good. Let's go ahead and
  3849. 2:47:20 Unknown speaker vote.
  3850. 2:47:28 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries 5 to2 with
  3851. 2:47:30 Unknown speaker council members Christ and Prito in
  3852. 2:47:32 Unknown speaker opposition. Um we're going to take a
  3853. 2:47:34 Unknown speaker fivem minute break and then we'll go on
  3854. 2:47:36 Unknown speaker to general business.
  3855. 2:47:44 Unknown speaker Heat. Heat.
  3856. 2:48:06 Unknown speaker Heat.
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  3865. 2:48:55 Unknown speaker birthday.
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  3868. 2:50:36 Unknown speaker down.
  3869. 2:51:02 Unknown speaker Hey, hey, hey.
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  3881. 2:54:04 Unknown speaker Heat. Heat.
  3882. 2:54:37 Unknown speaker I'm going to be making some changes to
  3883. 2:54:38 Unknown speaker our agenda. Um, in general business, we
  3884. 2:54:41 Unknown speaker are going to hear the 2027 proposed
  3885. 2:54:44 Unknown speaker budget presentation first, then
  3886. 2:54:47 Unknown speaker prioritize council action plan and
  3887. 2:54:49 Unknown speaker boards and commissions alignment, and
  3888. 2:54:51 Unknown speaker then community engagement overview and
  3889. 2:54:54 Unknown speaker options, um, council member Marcen, you
  3890. 2:54:56 Unknown speaker have a motion right now. Yes.
  3891. 2:54:58 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. After discussion with
  3892. 2:55:00 Unknown speaker um staff, etc., um, I move to extend the
  3893. 2:55:04 Unknown speaker meeting beyond 11:00.
  3894. 2:55:08 Unknown speaker Okay. And the reason to do it now is
  3895. 2:55:10 Unknown speaker because we have staff in the room that
  3896. 2:55:12 Unknown speaker are relevant to the later items and so
  3897. 2:55:14 Unknown speaker um rather than patchwork it. We have an
  3898. 2:55:16 Unknown speaker hour to get through whatever we get
  3899. 2:55:17 Unknown speaker through if the vote fails.
  3900. 2:55:19 Unknown speaker Okay. Very good. Um so the motion has
  3901. 2:55:22 Unknown speaker been made to extend the meeting past
  3902. 2:55:24 Unknown speaker 11:00. The motion was made by council
  3903. 2:55:27 Unknown speaker member Marcine and it was seconded by um
  3904. 2:55:31 Unknown speaker council member Popkin. Okay. And we are
  3905. 2:55:35 Unknown speaker missing a council member. So
  3906. 2:55:38 Unknown speaker yeah,
  3907. 2:55:40 Unknown speaker call the vote.
  3908. 2:55:41 Unknown speaker Um Oh, so let's go ahead and vote with
  3909. 2:55:42 Unknown speaker who we have.
  3910. 2:55:48 Unknown speaker What's the plan?
  3911. 2:55:49 Unknown speaker So um I'm flipping the schedule. So I'm
  3912. 2:55:53 Unknown speaker flipping the schedule to budget. So
  3913. 2:55:56 Unknown speaker we're going to hear budget. We're going
  3914. 2:55:57 Unknown speaker to hear um prioritize action plan and
  3915. 2:56:00 Unknown speaker community engagement overview. The
  3916. 2:56:02 Unknown speaker rationale for asking this ahead of time
  3917. 2:56:04 Unknown speaker is that the event that this does not
  3918. 2:56:07 Unknown speaker pass, then we have staff that can just
  3919. 2:56:10 Unknown speaker head home right now.
  3920. 2:56:16 Unknown speaker Okay. And council member Prito is absent
  3921. 2:56:18 Unknown speaker right now.
  3922. 2:56:19 Unknown speaker Wow.
  3923. 2:56:20 Unknown speaker Um it's going to be a three three.
  3924. 2:56:23 Unknown speaker Okay. And so that that fails three to
  3925. 2:56:27 Unknown speaker three with um
  3926. 2:56:31 Unknown speaker um with myself, council member Chris,
  3927. 2:56:33 Unknown speaker and council member McCoy in opposition
  3928. 2:56:36 Unknown speaker and um council member Prito is not in
  3929. 2:56:39 Unknown speaker the room. So that will fail. Um so if
  3930. 2:56:42 Unknown speaker you are community engagement folks, you
  3931. 2:56:44 Unknown speaker can go home.
  3932. 2:56:47 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  3933. 2:56:50 Unknown speaker Okay. Um now we're on to budget. All
  3934. 2:56:54 Unknown speaker right. Good evening, mayor and council.
  3935. 2:56:57 Unknown speaker I'm Becky Doyle, assistant acting
  3936. 2:56:59 Unknown speaker assistant city manager for utilities and
  3937. 2:57:00 Unknown speaker public works, and you've got the
  3938. 2:57:02 Unknown speaker utilities and public works show this
  3939. 2:57:03 Unknown speaker evening. Uh, so we're going to go
  3940. 2:57:05 Unknown speaker through uh the budgets for our our
  3941. 2:57:07 Unknown speaker various utilities and then have some
  3942. 2:57:08 Unknown speaker discussion about transportation funding
  3943. 2:57:10 Unknown speaker and priorities
  3944. 2:57:12 Unknown speaker uh for the year. And maybe when I push
  3945. 2:57:14 Unknown speaker this button, something will happen or
  3946. 2:57:16 Unknown speaker maybe I have to turn this thing on. Uh,
  3947. 2:57:19 Unknown speaker all right, cool. We're going to start
  3948. 2:57:21 Unknown speaker with uh with utilities and their
  3949. 2:57:23 Unknown speaker connection to your council goals.
  3950. 2:57:25 Unknown speaker Obviously, uh our our utilities are are
  3951. 2:57:29 Unknown speaker the very example of reliable and
  3952. 2:57:31 Unknown speaker equitable core services. Uh really
  3953. 2:57:34 Unknown speaker providing a lot of resilience within our
  3954. 2:57:36 Unknown speaker community, but also providing economic
  3955. 2:57:38 Unknown speaker opportunity um related to your third
  3956. 2:57:41 Unknown speaker goal here on economic and business
  3957. 2:57:43 Unknown speaker ecosystem resilience. Uh so
  3958. 2:57:47 Unknown speaker there's that uh of just a quick overview
  3959. 2:57:50 Unknown speaker of the ins and outs in terms of what are
  3960. 2:57:52 Unknown speaker we bringing in and what are we what are
  3961. 2:57:53 Unknown speaker we expending in each of these five
  3962. 2:57:56 Unknown speaker services. So these are these are the
  3963. 2:57:58 Unknown speaker services that are built on your utility
  3964. 2:57:59 Unknown speaker bill. Uh so where where we have cost of
  3965. 2:58:02 Unknown speaker service where we're collecting in rates
  3966. 2:58:05 Unknown speaker what it costs to provide these services
  3967. 2:58:06 Unknown speaker to the community. So this just gives you
  3968. 2:58:09 Unknown speaker a sense of sort of the scale of you know
  3969. 2:58:11 Unknown speaker what what it is that we're needing to
  3970. 2:58:13 Unknown speaker collect in order to fund those services.
  3971. 2:58:15 Unknown speaker Another thing to notice here is where we
  3972. 2:58:18 Unknown speaker are using fund balance this year. Um so
  3973. 2:58:22 Unknown speaker typically when we set a a rate schedule
  3974. 2:58:25 Unknown speaker for a number of years we'll build up the
  3975. 2:58:28 Unknown speaker fund balance in the first part of that
  3976. 2:58:30 Unknown speaker and then draw down the fund balance as
  3977. 2:58:32 Unknown speaker we come through that rate schedule. Uh
  3978. 2:58:35 Unknown speaker so so you have a few services here where
  3979. 2:58:37 Unknown speaker we're in that drawing down the fund
  3980. 2:58:38 Unknown speaker balance part of that cycle. Um which
  3981. 2:58:41 Unknown speaker means that you will see some some
  3982. 2:58:43 Unknown speaker adjustments to rates not for 2027
  3983. 2:58:46 Unknown speaker uh additional proposals but uh uh within
  3984. 2:58:50 Unknown speaker 2027 we'll be talking about what 2028
  3985. 2:58:53 Unknown speaker will look like. So, as a reminder, these
  3986. 2:58:56 Unknown speaker are the adopted rates, uh, you know, 26
  3987. 2:59:00 Unknown speaker going into 27. Um, with the
  3988. 2:59:05 Unknown speaker potential changes that we we may see in
  3989. 2:59:07 Unknown speaker the waste and composting rates, you
  3990. 2:59:09 Unknown speaker know, notwithstanding, this is what's
  3991. 2:59:10 Unknown speaker currently in the code. Um, so
  3992. 2:59:13 Unknown speaker [clears throat] those are the changes
  3993. 2:59:14 Unknown speaker that we'll see. Um and when we compare
  3994. 2:59:18 Unknown speaker our 2026 rates to our surrounding
  3995. 2:59:20 Unknown speaker communities, this is not super visible
  3996. 2:59:22 Unknown speaker on the large screen here, but uh
  3997. 2:59:25 Unknown speaker [laughter] what you can see is when we
  3998. 2:59:27 Unknown speaker look at other front range communities,
  3999. 2:59:29 Unknown speaker uh Longmont is really able to provide
  4000. 2:59:30 Unknown speaker competitively priced services uh that
  4001. 2:59:33 Unknown speaker you know protect the public health uh
  4002. 2:59:35 Unknown speaker that allow for economic opportunity. Uh
  4003. 2:59:38 Unknown speaker so Longmont, our our rates are the the
  4004. 2:59:42 Unknown speaker fourth uh bar from the left there. So
  4005. 2:59:46 Unknown speaker there's a couple of communities who may
  4006. 2:59:47 Unknown speaker have lower bills. Uh when you consider
  4007. 2:59:50 Unknown speaker what a person pays uh net the the
  4008. 2:59:53 Unknown speaker Longmont Cares rebate, we are easily the
  4009. 2:59:56 Unknown speaker lowest, you know, most affordable game
  4010. 2:59:58 Unknown speaker in town when it comes to utilities.
  4011. 3:00:03 Unknown speaker Uh we've made a lot of changes in our
  4012. 3:00:06 Unknown speaker utility billing systems over the last
  4013. 3:00:08 Unknown speaker few years. Uh that's included the
  4014. 3:00:10 Unknown speaker implementation of of our of our new
  4015. 3:00:13 Unknown speaker metering um program. Uh new meter data
  4016. 3:00:17 Unknown speaker management that's allowing us to do uh a
  4017. 3:00:20 Unknown speaker lot more things as far as uh as energy
  4018. 3:00:24 Unknown speaker efficiency things like that. Uh we we
  4019. 3:00:27 Unknown speaker launched a new customer portal in 2025
  4020. 3:00:30 Unknown speaker and then early this year we launched a
  4021. 3:00:32 Unknown speaker new billing system. uh we know that that
  4022. 3:00:35 Unknown speaker has not been as smooth as we would have
  4023. 3:00:37 Unknown speaker liked and there are still some kinks to
  4024. 3:00:39 Unknown speaker work out in that in that process. Uh so
  4025. 3:00:43 Unknown speaker we are continuing to work with with the
  4026. 3:00:45 Unknown speaker vendors to um make sure that we have all
  4027. 3:00:48 Unknown speaker of the functionality that we have had we
  4028. 3:00:51 Unknown speaker [laughter] that we will have moving
  4029. 3:00:53 Unknown speaker forward. Uh so we we certainly have
  4030. 3:00:55 Unknown speaker heard uh you know people's concerns and
  4031. 3:00:58 Unknown speaker hopefully we have addressed most of the
  4032. 3:01:00 Unknown speaker major issues with that. We do know that
  4033. 3:01:01 Unknown speaker people are still waiting on uh bill
  4034. 3:01:04 Unknown speaker notification emails as a as an example.
  4035. 3:01:08 Unknown speaker Uh we want you to also be aware that as
  4036. 3:01:10 Unknown speaker we're kind of finishing that process, we
  4037. 3:01:12 Unknown speaker are also bringing in a new bill print
  4038. 3:01:14 Unknown speaker vendor. Uh so our the the service that
  4039. 3:01:19 Unknown speaker provides our printed and mailed bills
  4040. 3:01:21 Unknown speaker will change in early 2027.
  4041. 3:01:24 Unknown speaker So that's uh that'll be happening.
  4042. 3:01:28 Unknown speaker Uh and we really appreciate everyone's
  4043. 3:01:30 Unknown speaker patience. We know that this is an
  4044. 3:01:32 Unknown speaker important service and we're we're
  4045. 3:01:34 Unknown speaker excited for for this this modernization
  4046. 3:01:37 Unknown speaker effort that you know starting with our
  4047. 3:01:39 Unknown speaker utility bills and that that's something
  4048. 3:01:41 Unknown speaker that's going to hit kind of all of all
  4049. 3:01:42 Unknown speaker of the utilities like how can we provide
  4050. 3:01:44 Unknown speaker better information. I think you'll see a
  4051. 3:01:47 Unknown speaker little bit of that tonight um and
  4052. 3:01:49 Unknown speaker service to our community. Another
  4053. 3:01:53 Unknown speaker ordinance that you'll see in your
  4054. 3:01:54 Unknown speaker package of budget ordinances is is is
  4055. 3:01:58 Unknown speaker this one, which seems a little a little
  4056. 3:02:01 Unknown speaker small, but um a few years ago when we
  4057. 3:02:04 Unknown speaker undertook that change to the utility
  4058. 3:02:07 Unknown speaker billing uh system, we created a a fund
  4059. 3:02:12 Unknown speaker uh that was to kind of collect money
  4060. 3:02:14 Unknown speaker from all of our other utility funds to
  4061. 3:02:17 Unknown speaker fund the the the uh implementation of
  4062. 3:02:20 Unknown speaker that software. ware. Um, so we we've
  4063. 3:02:23 Unknown speaker completed that project. When we created
  4064. 3:02:25 Unknown speaker the fund, it was always intended to also
  4065. 3:02:27 Unknown speaker be responsible for the ongoing utility
  4066. 3:02:31 Unknown speaker billing services. Um, and now we have
  4067. 3:02:34 Unknown speaker undertaken a few organizational changes
  4068. 3:02:37 Unknown speaker that mean that utility billing by itself
  4069. 3:02:39 Unknown speaker is no longer uh, you know, like a
  4070. 3:02:41 Unknown speaker separate service from the rest of the
  4071. 3:02:44 Unknown speaker utilities. Um so we are we are just
  4072. 3:02:47 Unknown speaker wanting to update that ever so slightly
  4073. 3:02:49 Unknown speaker uh to to recognize that change and we
  4074. 3:02:53 Unknown speaker will be changing the name of the fund to
  4075. 3:02:54 Unknown speaker the utility customer service fund um and
  4076. 3:02:58 Unknown speaker you know very very minor changes in the
  4077. 3:03:00 Unknown speaker enabling ordinance there. All right,
  4078. 3:03:03 Unknown speaker with that, um, just a reminder about the
  4079. 3:03:06 Unknown speaker importance of utilities to to the
  4080. 3:03:09 Unknown speaker community, to the council's goals, and
  4081. 3:03:11 Unknown speaker we will be extremely efficient in our,
  4082. 3:03:14 Unknown speaker uh, delivery of this budget overview.
  4083. 3:03:17 Unknown speaker So, I'd like to welcome um, Daryl Han to
  4084. 3:03:20 Unknown speaker talk about the electric budget.
  4085. 3:03:27 Unknown speaker Good evening, mayor, members of city
  4086. 3:03:29 Unknown speaker council. and Daryl Han, electric utility
  4087. 3:03:31 Unknown speaker director at Longmont Power. I have three
  4088. 3:03:34 Unknown speaker slides, so you're welcome. The first
  4089. 3:03:37 Unknown speaker slide, department goal. So, this is um a
  4090. 3:03:40 Unknown speaker picture that you've seen in the past
  4091. 3:03:42 Unknown speaker already. It's kind of the three-legged
  4092. 3:03:43 Unknown speaker stool. Um it's held up um through
  4093. 3:03:47 Unknown speaker reliability, affordability, and
  4094. 3:03:48 Unknown speaker sustainability. And so, these are the
  4095. 3:03:50 Unknown speaker three core services, the core the core
  4096. 3:03:52 Unknown speaker values that we hold at LPC. And if you
  4097. 3:03:55 Unknown speaker have one that takes precedence too much
  4098. 3:03:58 Unknown speaker compared to the others, then of course
  4099. 3:03:59 Unknown speaker the stool um gets off balance. And so
  4100. 3:04:02 Unknown speaker that's something that we strive to
  4101. 3:04:03 Unknown speaker maintain is the balance of those three.
  4102. 3:04:05 Unknown speaker Um obviously safety is embedded in all
  4103. 3:04:07 Unknown speaker of the work that we do. Um as most of
  4104. 3:04:11 Unknown speaker you know, the uh LPC's been around for
  4105. 3:04:13 Unknown speaker about 125 years. We have over 50,000
  4106. 3:04:16 Unknown speaker meters. Most of those are now the
  4107. 3:04:19 Unknown speaker advanced uh metering infrastructure
  4108. 3:04:20 Unknown speaker meters. We have a few of the legacies
  4109. 3:04:22 Unknown speaker left over. Um,
  4110. 3:04:26 Unknown speaker next slide.
  4111. 3:04:28 Unknown speaker Next slide. There we go. [snorts] Um,
  4112. 3:04:31 Unknown speaker these are just kind of three reliability
  4113. 3:04:34 Unknown speaker indices that we monitor. We compare
  4114. 3:04:36 Unknown speaker these um against other electric
  4115. 3:04:38 Unknown speaker utilities. Um, lower is better on all
  4116. 3:04:41 Unknown speaker three. These are like the duration of
  4117. 3:04:43 Unknown speaker the outages and how frequently they
  4118. 3:04:45 Unknown speaker happen and that sort of thing. You'll
  4119. 3:04:46 Unknown speaker see in 2026 the numbers went down which
  4120. 3:04:49 Unknown speaker you would think is good except that's
  4121. 3:04:51 Unknown speaker just the first two quarters of the year.
  4122. 3:04:52 Unknown speaker So once we start looking at the summer
  4123. 3:04:55 Unknown speaker um the summer quarter, you're going to
  4124. 3:04:57 Unknown speaker see that number actually go up quite a
  4125. 3:04:59 Unknown speaker bit. So the frequency and the duration
  4126. 3:05:00 Unknown speaker of the outages went up pretty
  4127. 3:05:02 Unknown speaker significantly because of the summer
  4128. 3:05:03 Unknown speaker outages. And so you may have experienced
  4129. 3:05:06 Unknown speaker outages yourself this summer or have
  4130. 3:05:07 Unknown speaker heard about them. That is something that
  4131. 3:05:10 Unknown speaker we are aware of.
  4132. 3:05:13 Unknown speaker Um one of the things that we're really
  4133. 3:05:15 Unknown speaker focusing on um you know on that
  4134. 3:05:18 Unknown speaker three-legged stool is the uh
  4135. 3:05:20 Unknown speaker reliability. So, um, in the last several
  4136. 3:05:23 Unknown speaker years, we've been, um, improving and
  4137. 3:05:26 Unknown speaker enhancing our reliability efforts
  4138. 3:05:29 Unknown speaker through increased maintenance. I think
  4139. 3:05:31 Unknown speaker you may remember that you helped us
  4140. 3:05:33 Unknown speaker bring in another maintenance crew to LPC
  4141. 3:05:36 Unknown speaker and their focus is just to upgrade
  4142. 3:05:38 Unknown speaker equipment and help improve that
  4143. 3:05:40 Unknown speaker reliability. So, um, you know, when we
  4144. 3:05:43 Unknown speaker look at increasing the budget in 2027,
  4145. 3:05:48 Unknown speaker we'll be continuing to look at improving
  4146. 3:05:51 Unknown speaker our maintenance program. So, this is,
  4147. 3:05:54 Unknown speaker you know, really aligned with what the
  4148. 3:05:56 Unknown speaker council priorities are. So for example
  4149. 3:05:58 Unknown speaker um we're increasing capacity throughout
  4150. 3:06:00 Unknown speaker the system which is um council priority
  4151. 3:06:02 Unknown speaker 87 and 88 related to for example Vance
  4152. 3:06:05 Unknown speaker brand airport um and uh facility
  4153. 3:06:08 Unknown speaker facilitating future development and
  4154. 3:06:10 Unknown speaker aviation innovation. We're also looking
  4155. 3:06:13 Unknown speaker to accommodate and invite future growth.
  4156. 3:06:15 Unknown speaker So that is council priority number 88
  4157. 3:06:18 Unknown speaker for example working with Front Range
  4158. 3:06:19 Unknown speaker Community College to create a micro grid
  4159. 3:06:22 Unknown speaker centered in the downtown campus. So, um,
  4160. 3:06:24 Unknown speaker enhancing reliability is council
  4161. 3:06:26 Unknown speaker priority number 89, which is to work
  4162. 3:06:28 Unknown speaker with Flat River on transmission and
  4163. 3:06:31 Unknown speaker substation upgrades.
  4164. 3:06:33 Unknown speaker So far this year, the maintenance crew
  4165. 3:06:35 Unknown speaker has been doing great work. Um, they've
  4166. 3:06:37 Unknown speaker been making a lot of good progress.
  4167. 3:06:39 Unknown speaker Unfortunately, it's uh taking a bite of
  4168. 3:06:41 Unknown speaker the elephant and so they will continue
  4169. 3:06:43 Unknown speaker to chew on that elephant. Um, one
  4170. 3:06:46 Unknown speaker example is, um, if you look at the
  4171. 3:06:48 Unknown speaker number of underground cable that we need
  4172. 3:06:50 Unknown speaker to be replacing every every year, we
  4173. 3:06:52 Unknown speaker should be replacing about 100,000 feet
  4174. 3:06:54 Unknown speaker of cable per year just to maintain um,
  4175. 3:06:58 Unknown speaker just to stay on top of replacing old
  4176. 3:07:00 Unknown speaker cable. So 100,000 feet per year is the
  4177. 3:07:02 Unknown speaker goal. So far this year, we've replaced a
  4178. 3:07:05 Unknown speaker little over 5,000 and that's with one
  4179. 3:07:08 Unknown speaker maintenance crew. So by the end of the
  4180. 3:07:09 Unknown speaker year, we'll be about 10% of our goal for
  4181. 3:07:12 Unknown speaker the year, which means next year we're
  4182. 3:07:14 Unknown speaker already 90% behind, if you will. So, and
  4183. 3:07:16 Unknown speaker that just continues to compound year
  4184. 3:07:18 Unknown speaker after year. So, as we come to you each
  4185. 3:07:21 Unknown speaker year asking for additional budget, it's
  4186. 3:07:24 Unknown speaker going to be thrown at this maintenance
  4187. 3:07:26 Unknown speaker crew um predominantly. There will also
  4188. 3:07:28 Unknown speaker be other priorities obviously, but
  4189. 3:07:30 Unknown speaker that's where we'll be looking.
  4190. 3:07:34 Unknown speaker And that's all I have for you tonight. I
  4191. 3:07:36 Unknown speaker don't know. So, do you want to take
  4192. 3:07:37 Unknown speaker questions now at the end?
  4193. 3:07:39 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4194. 3:07:40 Unknown speaker Yeah. If you have any questions for me,
  4195. 3:07:41 Unknown speaker I'm happy to answer them.
  4196. 3:07:42 Unknown speaker I don't see anyone in the queue, so
  4197. 3:07:44 Unknown speaker let's move on.
  4198. 3:07:45 Unknown speaker All right. Thanks.
  4199. 3:07:53 Unknown speaker Good evening, Mayor and Council.
  4200. 3:07:54 Unknown speaker Christopher, director of water and
  4201. 3:07:56 Unknown speaker waste. Uh, I apologize ahead of time. I
  4202. 3:07:58 Unknown speaker have more than three slides. So um
  4203. 3:08:02 Unknown speaker uh just as an overview uh our our waste
  4204. 3:08:06 Unknown speaker services department uh is made up of
  4205. 3:08:08 Unknown speaker around 28 employees uh that are all
  4206. 3:08:11 Unknown speaker dedicated to uh maintaining the public
  4207. 3:08:14 Unknown speaker health. Uh and also trying to enhance
  4208. 3:08:17 Unknown speaker our waste diversion opportunities and
  4209. 3:08:19 Unknown speaker meet our our uh uh diversion goals that
  4210. 3:08:23 Unknown speaker have been set by council.
  4211. 3:08:25 Unknown speaker uh our budgets are uh revenue generated
  4212. 3:08:29 Unknown speaker mostly by uh rates and fees. Um we do
  4213. 3:08:33 Unknown speaker have in this coming year anticipated
  4214. 3:08:35 Unknown speaker that uh we'll be joining the state
  4215. 3:08:38 Unknown speaker program for EPR or extended uh producer
  4216. 3:08:41 Unknown speaker responsibility um which would cover
  4217. 3:08:43 Unknown speaker costs for recycle. So you can see that
  4218. 3:08:45 Unknown speaker in our pie chart that other revenues uh
  4219. 3:08:48 Unknown speaker matched up pretty close to our curbside
  4220. 3:08:50 Unknown speaker recycling. Um the majority of uh our
  4221. 3:08:54 Unknown speaker cost uh is for picking doing curbside
  4222. 3:08:58 Unknown speaker pickup. Uh and you can see that uh as
  4223. 3:09:01 Unknown speaker our largest almost 46% of the budget. Um
  4224. 3:09:05 Unknown speaker and we've talked a little bit about
  4225. 3:09:07 Unknown speaker composting in the past. We'll be coming
  4226. 3:09:09 Unknown speaker uh probably about the end of October uh
  4227. 3:09:11 Unknown speaker beginning of November to talk more about
  4228. 3:09:13 Unknown speaker uh the subsidy of composting. Um and so
  4229. 3:09:16 Unknown speaker that'll be coming up soon.
  4230. 3:09:19 Unknown speaker Uh just to talk a little bit about the
  4231. 3:09:22 Unknown speaker things that our guys uh our crews deal
  4232. 3:09:24 Unknown speaker with every day. Um in balancing the
  4233. 3:09:28 Unknown speaker budget, we're looking at increased uh
  4234. 3:09:30 Unknown speaker vehicle replacement costs. Um those have
  4235. 3:09:33 Unknown speaker gone up substantially. Uh and that's a
  4236. 3:09:36 Unknown speaker large part of our operating budget. Uh
  4237. 3:09:38 Unknown speaker we also have increased tipping fees
  4238. 3:09:40 Unknown speaker because of those uh entities that we
  4239. 3:09:42 Unknown speaker work with. Uh they have increased cost
  4240. 3:09:44 Unknown speaker as well. So they're just trying to keep
  4241. 3:09:46 Unknown speaker up as well. Uh and then also uh our RNG
  4242. 3:09:50 Unknown speaker and CNG um production is uh reaching a
  4243. 3:09:55 Unknown speaker point in its life where it's needing
  4244. 3:09:57 Unknown speaker some more uh TLC. Uh we did have some
  4245. 3:10:00 Unknown speaker extended periods of outages this year
  4246. 3:10:03 Unknown speaker and uh we had to supplement uh our bio
  4247. 3:10:07 Unknown speaker gas with natural gas from Excel. Um, and
  4248. 3:10:11 Unknown speaker then the last thing up there too is uh
  4249. 3:10:14 Unknown speaker alley access and we've been working on
  4250. 3:10:16 Unknown speaker that in a couple of different ways. Uh,
  4251. 3:10:19 Unknown speaker we do have uh a program where our crews
  4252. 3:10:23 Unknown speaker can go out and vol if uh customers would
  4253. 3:10:26 Unknown speaker like, we can voluntarily uh remove uh
  4254. 3:10:29 Unknown speaker vegetation out of the alley for them. Uh
  4255. 3:10:31 Unknown speaker we've also implemented a a cart removal
  4256. 3:10:35 Unknown speaker uh from public rightway uh that I think
  4257. 3:10:37 Unknown speaker most of you were aware of at one point
  4258. 3:10:39 Unknown speaker in time. Um we had a lot of public
  4259. 3:10:42 Unknown speaker reaction to that in certain areas. Um
  4260. 3:10:44 Unknown speaker and we've kind of slowed down uh
  4261. 3:10:47 Unknown speaker implementation of uh of those changes
  4262. 3:10:50 Unknown speaker and ordinances. Um and we'll be looking
  4263. 3:10:52 Unknown speaker at those in the coming months and you
  4264. 3:10:55 Unknown speaker should be getting an information item in
  4265. 3:10:56 Unknown speaker the next few weeks on that as well.
  4266. 3:10:58 Unknown speaker Yeah, Chris. Um, on that one, I last
  4267. 3:11:01 Unknown speaker week I went out um to look at this issue
  4268. 3:11:04 Unknown speaker and I'll tell you it's a it's a real
  4269. 3:11:05 Unknown speaker issue for them in terms of moving
  4270. 3:11:08 Unknown speaker through these areas. And so I'm going to
  4271. 3:11:12 Unknown speaker um ask our comm's folks to work with um
  4272. 3:11:14 Unknown speaker Chris and August and Becky um and really
  4273. 3:11:17 Unknown speaker start anformational piece in terms of
  4274. 3:11:20 Unknown speaker what the challenges are um and and what
  4275. 3:11:23 Unknown speaker the cost implications are to that. But
  4276. 3:11:25 Unknown speaker um it was an eyeopening experience to
  4277. 3:11:28 Unknown speaker see what that means operationally for
  4278. 3:11:31 Unknown speaker them. It could be uh the amount of
  4279. 3:11:34 Unknown speaker damage to property based on the tight
  4280. 3:11:36 Unknown speaker spaces. It's a reduction in efficiency
  4281. 3:11:39 Unknown speaker because they can't move through the
  4282. 3:11:41 Unknown speaker areas as quickly as they need to. Uh and
  4283. 3:11:44 Unknown speaker so there's a fair amount of issues that
  4284. 3:11:47 Unknown speaker we're going to really work on a public
  4285. 3:11:49 Unknown speaker information campaign um to try to get
  4286. 3:11:52 Unknown speaker this uh to help manage uh this issue.
  4287. 3:11:56 Unknown speaker Thank you, Harold.
  4288. 3:11:59 Unknown speaker Um just some of the key investments that
  4289. 3:12:02 Unknown speaker we're making. Uh we continue to invest
  4290. 3:12:04 Unknown speaker in our CNG uh vehicles as well as in the
  4291. 3:12:07 Unknown speaker um gas uh RNG uh bio gas uh components.
  4292. 3:12:12 Unknown speaker Uh those really are still meeting the
  4293. 3:12:14 Unknown speaker needs of what we have. It was
  4294. 3:12:17 Unknown speaker interesting this past year when we had
  4295. 3:12:18 Unknown speaker an outage uh for a couple months uh that
  4296. 3:12:21 Unknown speaker there was a charge of about $30,000 a
  4297. 3:12:23 Unknown speaker month from Excel for that gas. doing the
  4298. 3:12:26 Unknown speaker comparison with diesel, uh we would have
  4299. 3:12:28 Unknown speaker been paying over 50 to $60,000 a month.
  4300. 3:12:30 Unknown speaker So even when we don't have the biodiesel
  4301. 3:12:33 Unknown speaker or bio gas available, uh it's a much
  4302. 3:12:36 Unknown speaker better and more efficient system than
  4303. 3:12:38 Unknown speaker going to diesel trucks.
  4304. 3:12:41 Unknown speaker Um let's see. Uh we are making some
  4305. 3:12:44 Unknown speaker improvements in our recycle center. um
  4306. 3:12:47 Unknown speaker uh adding a trash compactor uh to uh
  4307. 3:12:51 Unknown speaker increase the amount of uh material that
  4308. 3:12:53 Unknown speaker we can take at any one time. And then
  4309. 3:12:56 Unknown speaker also we're collaborating with outside
  4310. 3:12:57 Unknown speaker agencies on an ongoing basis. Uh we have
  4311. 3:13:00 Unknown speaker good partnerships with uh companies like
  4312. 3:13:02 Unknown speaker Green Girl uh and others that have
  4313. 3:13:04 Unknown speaker helped us uh provide services that we
  4314. 3:13:06 Unknown speaker wouldn't be able to otherwise.
  4315. 3:13:09 Unknown speaker Uh the one thing I wanted to touch on
  4316. 3:13:11 Unknown speaker also is that we're looking at our leaf
  4317. 3:13:13 Unknown speaker and branch collection program. Uh we've
  4318. 3:13:16 Unknown speaker been doing that for quite some time now
  4319. 3:13:17 Unknown speaker where in the spring we do uh voluntary
  4320. 3:13:20 Unknown speaker branch collection where uh residents can
  4321. 3:13:22 Unknown speaker put their branches out in the street and
  4322. 3:13:23 Unknown speaker we have a company that comes by and
  4323. 3:13:25 Unknown speaker picks those up. Um and then in the fall
  4324. 3:13:28 Unknown speaker we have a couple weeks where we can do
  4325. 3:13:29 Unknown speaker leaf collection um and that uh has been
  4326. 3:13:33 Unknown speaker helping us with our diversion rates uh
  4327. 3:13:34 Unknown speaker for composting um and then also
  4328. 3:13:37 Unknown speaker providing that service to the residents
  4329. 3:13:40 Unknown speaker so they don't have to take their
  4330. 3:13:41 Unknown speaker material down to the recycle center. Um,
  4331. 3:13:44 Unknown speaker as we've looked at that, uh, absent this
  4332. 3:13:46 Unknown speaker spring, uh, branch collection had been
  4333. 3:13:49 Unknown speaker falling off, uh, that we just had not
  4334. 3:13:50 Unknown speaker been collecting as much, uh, as we had
  4335. 3:13:52 Unknown speaker in the past. Um, and then for the fall,
  4336. 3:13:57 Unknown speaker uh, timing the leaf collection has
  4337. 3:13:59 Unknown speaker always been an issue. Um, whether it be
  4338. 3:14:01 Unknown speaker a warm fall and leaves stay longer or we
  4339. 3:14:04 Unknown speaker get a quick freeze and they all fall off
  4340. 3:14:06 Unknown speaker early, um, we could never seem to time
  4341. 3:14:08 Unknown speaker it quite right. Um so our proposal is
  4342. 3:14:11 Unknown speaker that uh we'll uh implement two fall leaf
  4343. 3:14:15 Unknown speaker pickup times uh spread that out so that
  4344. 3:14:17 Unknown speaker we have a better chance of collecting
  4345. 3:14:19 Unknown speaker more over time and uh eliminate the
  4346. 3:14:22 Unknown speaker branch collection in the spring. But
  4347. 3:14:25 Unknown speaker we'd also like to set aside some funds
  4348. 3:14:27 Unknown speaker if we have another event like we did
  4349. 3:14:28 Unknown speaker this year so that we could uh at
  4350. 3:14:31 Unknown speaker Harold's discretion uh go through and
  4351. 3:14:34 Unknown speaker spend those funds to be able to pick up
  4352. 3:14:36 Unknown speaker uh branches in the event of a big storm
  4353. 3:14:39 Unknown speaker spring storm.
  4354. 3:14:42 Unknown speaker So that's what I had on waste services.
  4355. 3:14:45 Unknown speaker Uh I don't know if you want to do
  4356. 3:14:46 Unknown speaker questions on that.
  4357. 3:14:47 Unknown speaker We can before we go on to water. Council
  4358. 3:14:49 Unknown speaker member um Christ.
  4359. 3:14:52 Unknown speaker Thank you mayor.
  4360. 3:14:54 Unknown speaker When it comes to branch collection, um,
  4361. 3:14:56 Unknown speaker can branches just go in with compost?
  4362. 3:14:59 Unknown speaker Yes, they certainly can. Uh, branches
  4363. 3:15:01 Unknown speaker are difficult because they take up a lot
  4364. 3:15:02 Unknown speaker of space in your composting, uh, bin.
  4365. 3:15:04 Unknown speaker Um, but
  4366. 3:15:05 Unknown speaker but usually after you stop mowing, then
  4367. 3:15:07 Unknown speaker you have a little more room in your
  4368. 3:15:09 Unknown speaker compost bin, right?
  4369. 3:15:10 Unknown speaker Certainly.
  4370. 3:15:10 Unknown speaker We hope. Okay, thank you.
  4371. 3:15:14 Unknown speaker Okay, let's move on.
  4372. 3:15:16 Unknown speaker Uh, we'll move on to water. Mhm.
  4373. 3:15:18 Unknown speaker Um our water department um is made up of
  4374. 3:15:22 Unknown speaker our or supported by five divisions uh
  4375. 3:15:25 Unknown speaker within our department. Uh we have water
  4376. 3:15:27 Unknown speaker resources uh operations um our treatment
  4377. 3:15:32 Unknown speaker uh folks and then our distribution folks
  4378. 3:15:35 Unknown speaker uh that go around the city and uh work
  4379. 3:15:38 Unknown speaker on the distribution system itself. Uh
  4380. 3:15:40 Unknown speaker and then also EINC which uh maintains
  4381. 3:15:43 Unknown speaker all of our data collection and uh all of
  4382. 3:15:46 Unknown speaker our SCADA system. Um and uh annually
  4383. 3:15:50 Unknown speaker we've been
  4384. 3:15:51 Unknown speaker What does EINC mean?
  4385. 3:15:52 Unknown speaker Oh uh
  4386. 3:15:55 Unknown speaker uh instrument and control. Um
  4387. 3:15:59 Unknown speaker electrical instrument control. Yes. Uh
  4388. 3:16:04 Unknown speaker um so annually we've been treating about
  4389. 3:16:07 Unknown speaker 5 billion gallons of water. Uh this year
  4390. 3:16:09 Unknown speaker we've been watching it very closely as
  4391. 3:16:11 Unknown speaker we have been in the drought. Uh and it
  4392. 3:16:13 Unknown speaker does appear that um we've been meeting
  4393. 3:16:15 Unknown speaker our goals. Uh we will bring more
  4394. 3:16:17 Unknown speaker information back to you at a later date
  4395. 3:16:20 Unknown speaker uh as we can analyze all of that and
  4396. 3:16:22 Unknown speaker pull it all together. Uh but it looks
  4397. 3:16:23 Unknown speaker like the citizens as well as the city uh
  4398. 3:16:27 Unknown speaker facilities have been doing a great job
  4399. 3:16:29 Unknown speaker this year.
  4400. 3:16:31 Unknown speaker Uh budget wise uh again the majority of
  4401. 3:16:34 Unknown speaker uh revenues come from our rates and
  4402. 3:16:36 Unknown speaker fees. Uh we do have some other in uh
  4403. 3:16:39 Unknown speaker income that comes from system
  4404. 3:16:42 Unknown speaker development fees uh for development as
  4405. 3:16:45 Unknown speaker they're building that gets collected
  4406. 3:16:47 Unknown speaker through their uh building permit uh as
  4407. 3:16:49 Unknown speaker they connect to water and um we have
  4408. 3:16:54 Unknown speaker some oil and gas but that has been
  4409. 3:16:55 Unknown speaker declining over time. Um but in general
  4410. 3:17:00 Unknown speaker uh our rates and fees are what we
  4411. 3:17:03 Unknown speaker collect on. Um, and from the slides that
  4412. 3:17:06 Unknown speaker Becky showed earlier, uh, we are about
  4413. 3:17:09 Unknown speaker $10 million less in our revenue than
  4414. 3:17:12 Unknown speaker what we're spending this year. Um, so
  4415. 3:17:14 Unknown speaker we're pulling from our, uh, fund
  4416. 3:17:17 Unknown speaker balance. Um, but we'll be coming back to
  4417. 3:17:19 Unknown speaker you to talk about that as well later.
  4418. 3:17:22 Unknown speaker Um, major CIP projects that we have
  4419. 3:17:24 Unknown speaker going on this year, the 19 million is
  4420. 3:17:27 Unknown speaker for new projects. Uh we do have some
  4421. 3:17:29 Unknown speaker ongoing large projects such as the
  4422. 3:17:30 Unknown speaker Montgomery tank. Uh that's using the
  4423. 3:17:33 Unknown speaker majority of our previously issued bond
  4424. 3:17:36 Unknown speaker funding. Um but uh 19 million is for the
  4425. 3:17:39 Unknown speaker new projects. Uh we're replacing about
  4426. 3:17:41 Unknown speaker three miles of water line uh per year.
  4427. 3:17:44 Unknown speaker And uh this CIP number also includes uh
  4428. 3:17:49 Unknown speaker studies for our lab as well as a study
  4429. 3:17:53 Unknown speaker for a new D. Oh no, this is water. Um,
  4430. 3:17:58 Unknown speaker what was the other study?
  4431. 3:18:01 Unknown speaker Sorry, I'm getting water and wastewater
  4432. 3:18:02 Unknown speaker mixed up.
  4433. 3:18:03 Unknown speaker No, you're fine.
  4434. 3:18:05 Unknown speaker But um
  4435. 3:18:09 Unknown speaker well um our CIP book will be coming to
  4436. 3:18:13 Unknown speaker you. Um and uh we'll have all of those
  4437. 3:18:16 Unknown speaker listed out. Uh the one thing I did want
  4438. 3:18:18 Unknown speaker to point out is that our project list is
  4439. 3:18:20 Unknown speaker somewhat smaller this year than normal
  4440. 3:18:22 Unknown speaker uh because we're working on a master
  4441. 3:18:24 Unknown speaker plan. uh that water master plan is
  4442. 3:18:27 Unknown speaker anticipated to be completed in December
  4443. 3:18:29 Unknown speaker and then we'll also bring that to
  4444. 3:18:31 Unknown speaker council for a presentation as well uh
  4445. 3:18:33 Unknown speaker because that will play into how we do
  4446. 3:18:35 Unknown speaker rates in the future.
  4447. 3:18:38 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  4448. 3:18:39 Unknown speaker Um,
  4449. 3:18:42 Unknown speaker this slide could be almost anywhere in
  4450. 3:18:44 Unknown speaker this uh uh presentation, but uh as we
  4451. 3:18:48 Unknown speaker look at uh our what projects we need to
  4452. 3:18:51 Unknown speaker do and how we're maintaining our system
  4453. 3:18:53 Unknown speaker and how we provide water, uh there's
  4454. 3:18:55 Unknown speaker always um reliance on determining what
  4455. 3:18:58 Unknown speaker our capacity really is. Uh looking at
  4456. 3:19:01 Unknown speaker what development trends look like, what
  4457. 3:19:03 Unknown speaker is that going to look like in the
  4458. 3:19:04 Unknown speaker future? um and re building in our re
  4459. 3:19:07 Unknown speaker resilience uh into our systems so that
  4460. 3:19:10 Unknown speaker if we do have some type of disaster, how
  4461. 3:19:12 Unknown speaker quickly can we recover? Uh those are
  4462. 3:19:14 Unknown speaker always very high on the priority list
  4463. 3:19:16 Unknown speaker for any projects that we do. Um and then
  4464. 3:19:18 Unknown speaker as we do our asset management, um we're
  4465. 3:19:21 Unknown speaker looking at data collected throughout the
  4466. 3:19:23 Unknown speaker system. uh looking at age, looking at
  4467. 3:19:25 Unknown speaker wear and tear on our system, the decide
  4468. 3:19:29 Unknown speaker which things need to be um uh repaired
  4469. 3:19:33 Unknown speaker or replaced uh as we go along. So,
  4470. 3:19:37 Unknown speaker so we'll go back into the wastewater
  4471. 3:19:40 Unknown speaker fund if we don't have any questions on
  4472. 3:19:41 Unknown speaker water at this time.
  4473. 3:19:44 Unknown speaker Great. No,
  4474. 3:19:47 Unknown speaker our wastewater uh system is supported by
  4475. 3:19:49 Unknown speaker the same uh staff uh that we have for
  4476. 3:19:52 Unknown speaker the water uh side, our operations, um
  4477. 3:19:56 Unknown speaker our treatment plants, um and our
  4478. 3:19:59 Unknown speaker engineering and all of our groups. Um,
  4479. 3:20:02 Unknown speaker as you can see up here, generally we
  4480. 3:20:05 Unknown speaker treat 7 million gallons of water every
  4481. 3:20:07 Unknown speaker year and we're trying to utilize um
  4482. 3:20:12 Unknown speaker renewable energy as much as possible um
  4483. 3:20:15 Unknown speaker and implement projects that reuse or um
  4484. 3:20:20 Unknown speaker are environmentally conscious uh as we
  4485. 3:20:23 Unknown speaker move forward. uh budget again um
  4486. 3:20:27 Unknown speaker overwhelmingly
  4487. 3:20:29 Unknown speaker uh this is funded by rates and fees. Uh
  4488. 3:20:31 Unknown speaker we have some other uh small amount of
  4489. 3:20:35 Unknown speaker income. Uh one thing that I wanted to
  4490. 3:20:37 Unknown speaker mention was that um there's state regula
  4491. 3:20:40 Unknown speaker regulations changed on our rent credits
  4492. 3:20:42 Unknown speaker associated with our our bio gas. It's
  4493. 3:20:44 Unknown speaker changed from um those using um biogas
  4494. 3:20:48 Unknown speaker being able to get those rent credits to
  4495. 3:20:50 Unknown speaker actually the producers are gaining those
  4496. 3:20:52 Unknown speaker rent credits now. So our wastewater side
  4497. 3:20:55 Unknown speaker picks up that benefit while uh the the
  4498. 3:20:58 Unknown speaker waste services or our trash collection
  4499. 3:21:00 Unknown speaker is losing that income uh in future
  4500. 3:21:03 Unknown speaker years.
  4501. 3:21:04 Unknown speaker Um now for sanitary sewer our CIP uh we
  4502. 3:21:09 Unknown speaker are doing relin replacements of uh our
  4503. 3:21:13 Unknown speaker collection system. Uh there are some
  4504. 3:21:15 Unknown speaker small projects on site that we're doing
  4505. 3:21:17 Unknown speaker of the wastewater treatment plant. Um
  4506. 3:21:20 Unknown speaker and then there are studies that we're
  4507. 3:21:22 Unknown speaker doing for
  4508. 3:21:24 Unknown speaker uh the replacement of our um
  4509. 3:21:29 Unknown speaker a lab and then also looking at um a
  4510. 3:21:32 Unknown speaker digtor number four. Uh that is a project
  4511. 3:21:35 Unknown speaker that we need to do in the future for
  4512. 3:21:37 Unknown speaker capacity. But in this number the 8
  4513. 3:21:40 Unknown speaker million is just the studies of this
  4514. 3:21:41 Unknown speaker year.
  4515. 3:21:45 Unknown speaker uh again uh the key changes that we're
  4516. 3:21:47 Unknown speaker doing uh looking at anorobic digesttors
  4517. 3:21:50 Unknown speaker um and like I said that was for capacity
  4518. 3:21:52 Unknown speaker but it will give us the ability to um uh
  4519. 3:21:56 Unknown speaker increase the amount of bio gas and then
  4520. 3:21:58 Unknown speaker also bolster or the the resilience of
  4521. 3:22:02 Unknown speaker that system. Uh we're doing continuing
  4522. 3:22:05 Unknown speaker to do asset management and then again
  4523. 3:22:07 Unknown speaker we're doing a sanitary sewer master plan
  4524. 3:22:10 Unknown speaker this year which should be done in
  4525. 3:22:12 Unknown speaker December early January and we'll bring
  4526. 3:22:13 Unknown speaker that as well for your consideration.
  4527. 3:22:17 Unknown speaker Uh the one thing that I wanted to touch
  4528. 3:22:18 Unknown speaker on uh for water and waste uh the
  4529. 3:22:22 Unknown speaker technology we talked a little bit about
  4530. 3:22:23 Unknown speaker EINC while I stumbled over that uh but
  4531. 3:22:26 Unknown speaker we're really looking to leverage the
  4532. 3:22:28 Unknown speaker technology that we have that's
  4533. 3:22:30 Unknown speaker collecting all of the data in our
  4534. 3:22:31 Unknown speaker system. we have an inordinate amount of
  4535. 3:22:34 Unknown speaker data and we need to transform that into
  4536. 3:22:36 Unknown speaker information that we can use to make
  4537. 3:22:37 Unknown speaker decisions. Um
  4538. 3:22:40 Unknown speaker for our data collection um we have
  4539. 3:22:44 Unknown speaker operational data that comes from our
  4540. 3:22:45 Unknown speaker SCADA system um which controls uh many
  4541. 3:22:49 Unknown speaker of the uh areas of the plant as well as
  4542. 3:22:52 Unknown speaker our collection system turning valves and
  4543. 3:22:54 Unknown speaker opening and closing uh so that we can
  4544. 3:22:56 Unknown speaker operate hands off. Um, we have asset
  4545. 3:23:00 Unknown speaker data that we have entered into our
  4546. 3:23:02 Unknown speaker inforce system. We have what's called an
  4547. 3:23:04 Unknown speaker EAM for our wastewater plants. It's
  4548. 3:23:07 Unknown speaker basically just an asset management
  4549. 3:23:08 Unknown speaker system for a building or a facility. Um,
  4550. 3:23:12 Unknown speaker and then we have all of our financial
  4551. 3:23:13 Unknown speaker reporting in Munas. Um, we do have uh
  4552. 3:23:17 Unknown speaker the ability to create reports uh out of
  4553. 3:23:19 Unknown speaker our SQL server or SQL that can be
  4554. 3:23:22 Unknown speaker emailed to people. Um, and those have
  4555. 3:23:24 Unknown speaker been working really well, but we've been
  4556. 3:23:26 Unknown speaker moving more into dashboards.
  4557. 3:23:28 Unknown speaker And uh uh John Gage has done uh an
  4558. 3:23:32 Unknown speaker inordinate amount of work uh to be able
  4559. 3:23:35 Unknown speaker to pull all of this information across
  4560. 3:23:36 Unknown speaker all of those different platforms to put
  4561. 3:23:38 Unknown speaker it into a simple screen that we can look
  4562. 3:23:40 Unknown speaker at and we can quickly get updates on how
  4563. 3:23:43 Unknown speaker things are going in the system. Uh this
  4564. 3:23:46 Unknown speaker one in particular is created for our
  4565. 3:23:48 Unknown speaker operations group. Um they have uh KPIs
  4566. 3:23:51 Unknown speaker that they need to meet every year. Uh
  4567. 3:23:53 Unknown speaker key performance indicators. Um, and so
  4568. 3:23:57 Unknown speaker as we can see in most of these, the blue
  4569. 3:23:59 Unknown speaker bar is way past the little hash mark uh
  4570. 3:24:02 Unknown speaker in the middle of the box, which means
  4571. 3:24:04 Unknown speaker that they've met their uh goals for this
  4572. 3:24:06 Unknown speaker year and that we're well on our way to
  4573. 3:24:08 Unknown speaker um keeping our system in in good shape.
  4574. 3:24:12 Unknown speaker Uh we also have financial reporting at
  4575. 3:24:14 Unknown speaker the bottom uh which helps keep us u
  4576. 3:24:18 Unknown speaker mindful of what we're spending and how
  4577. 3:24:19 Unknown speaker we're spending um and make sure that
  4578. 3:24:21 Unknown speaker we're good till the end of the year.
  4579. 3:24:25 Unknown speaker So with that um
  4580. 3:24:28 Unknown speaker we have opportunities um
  4581. 3:24:32 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  4582. 3:24:34 Unknown speaker we have an opportunity that's come up to
  4583. 3:24:36 Unknown speaker look at uh district energy system and I
  4584. 3:24:38 Unknown speaker want John Gage to come up and tell you
  4585. 3:24:39 Unknown speaker about that.
  4586. 3:24:40 Unknown speaker Perfect.
  4587. 3:24:42 Unknown speaker I'm honored I got four slides to talk
  4588. 3:24:44 Unknown speaker about one issue. Um
  4589. 3:24:46 Unknown speaker oh [laughter]
  4590. 3:24:48 Unknown speaker well uh mayor members of council uh my
  4591. 3:24:51 Unknown speaker name is John Gage. I'm an engineering
  4592. 3:24:52 Unknown speaker and operations administrator in the
  4593. 3:24:53 Unknown speaker water and waste department. So, I get to
  4594. 3:24:56 Unknown speaker talk to you about uh temperature. And I
  4595. 3:24:58 Unknown speaker think Harold and Becky asked me to talk
  4596. 3:25:01 Unknown speaker about this maybe because it's a really
  4597. 3:25:03 Unknown speaker good example from our master plan of a
  4598. 3:25:06 Unknown speaker problem that has a nexus with energy
  4599. 3:25:09 Unknown speaker sustainability. It has systems thinking
  4600. 3:25:12 Unknown speaker in terms of how we're going to solve the
  4601. 3:25:13 Unknown speaker issue or potentially solve the issue. Um
  4602. 3:25:16 Unknown speaker has an integration with development. So,
  4603. 3:25:19 Unknown speaker what what other buzzwords did I miss
  4604. 3:25:20 Unknown speaker here? I mean, it's there's there's a lot
  4605. 3:25:22 Unknown speaker to this issue.
  4606. 3:25:25 Unknown speaker There's a lot to this issue. And I think
  4607. 3:25:27 Unknown speaker what I do want to point out is if you
  4608. 3:25:30 Unknown speaker catch a theme in what we presented in in
  4609. 3:25:32 Unknown speaker the budget so far is what you're
  4610. 3:25:34 Unknown speaker actually seeing is as we think about
  4611. 3:25:36 Unknown speaker just the first and main project, you're
  4612. 3:25:38 Unknown speaker seeing LPC touch it. You're seeing now
  4613. 3:25:40 Unknown speaker wastewater touch it. Water's obviously
  4614. 3:25:43 Unknown speaker involved in it. And so you're just, this
  4615. 3:25:45 Unknown speaker is a really good example of seeing how
  4616. 3:25:47 Unknown speaker we're taking multiple issues and trying
  4617. 3:25:49 Unknown speaker to manage them in a project that
  4618. 3:25:51 Unknown speaker actually benefits more than one piece of
  4619. 3:25:53 Unknown speaker the puzz more than one piece of our
  4620. 3:25:55 Unknown speaker organization. There's holistic benefit
  4621. 3:25:58 Unknown speaker across the organization.
  4622. 3:26:00 Unknown speaker Yeah. So to give you kind of an idea of
  4623. 3:26:02 Unknown speaker what we're facing here on the the left
  4624. 3:26:04 Unknown speaker that cartoon image shows the problem. We
  4625. 3:26:07 Unknown speaker spend a lot of energy heating up water.
  4626. 3:26:09 Unknown speaker You can think about that for hot water
  4627. 3:26:11 Unknown speaker use of showers, washing dishes. We put
  4628. 3:26:14 Unknown speaker all that energy into water and then it
  4629. 3:26:16 Unknown speaker goes right down into the sewer system
  4630. 3:26:18 Unknown speaker and goes to our treatment plant. And
  4631. 3:26:20 Unknown speaker typically there is no treatment option
  4632. 3:26:22 Unknown speaker for temperature. Uh no plants are doing
  4633. 3:26:26 Unknown speaker that. Um but here in Colorado, we are
  4634. 3:26:28 Unknown speaker finding that temperature can be an issue
  4635. 3:26:29 Unknown speaker for fish habitat and aquatic habitat. um
  4636. 3:26:32 Unknown speaker it can impact spawning timing and uh and
  4637. 3:26:35 Unknown speaker so this is a a new issue for water and
  4638. 3:26:37 Unknown speaker wastewater utilities. Now Denver Metro
  4639. 3:26:40 Unknown speaker is looking at a uh very mechanical gray
  4640. 3:26:43 Unknown speaker infrastructure approach. They're
  4641. 3:26:44 Unknown speaker piloting cooling towers, but as you can
  4642. 3:26:46 Unknown speaker imagine that's really expensive to build
  4643. 3:26:48 Unknown speaker infrastructure. You have to uh pay for
  4644. 3:26:50 Unknown speaker the ongoing energy costs associated with
  4645. 3:26:52 Unknown speaker it. There's potential for water loss
  4646. 3:26:54 Unknown speaker even, you know, because you're
  4647. 3:26:55 Unknown speaker evaporating water out of these cooling
  4648. 3:26:56 Unknown speaker towers. So a lot of things um that can
  4649. 3:27:00 Unknown speaker be challenging at least with uh with
  4650. 3:27:02 Unknown speaker that approach. Um so we're looking at
  4651. 3:27:05 Unknown speaker something called district energy and uh
  4652. 3:27:07 Unknown speaker so district energy is not a new concept
  4653. 3:27:10 Unknown speaker nationally. District energy is on this
  4654. 3:27:13 Unknown speaker cartoon on the left there's that's
  4655. 3:27:15 Unknown speaker traditional heating and cooling. You see
  4656. 3:27:16 Unknown speaker HVAC units on buildings. So that's kind
  4657. 3:27:19 Unknown speaker of the little red icons there. So it's
  4658. 3:27:22 Unknown speaker every you know building has its own HVAC
  4659. 3:27:24 Unknown speaker unit. In district energy, you're kind of
  4660. 3:27:27 Unknown speaker combining all of those uh resources into
  4661. 3:27:30 Unknown speaker a central utility plant. That's what CUP
  4662. 3:27:33 Unknown speaker stands for. And then you use that uh to
  4663. 3:27:36 Unknown speaker to heat and cool a lot of buildings. And
  4664. 3:27:39 Unknown speaker so you find kind of scale with that and
  4665. 3:27:42 Unknown speaker uh and some really interesting energy
  4666. 3:27:44 Unknown speaker approaches. So some of those might be
  4667. 3:27:45 Unknown speaker geothermal. People are kind of familiar
  4668. 3:27:47 Unknown speaker with that approach, taking hot water out
  4669. 3:27:49 Unknown speaker of the ground. And uh and so some other
  4670. 3:27:51 Unknown speaker approaches can be used. Uh, one of them
  4671. 3:27:54 Unknown speaker is actually wastewater. And, uh, this is
  4672. 3:27:56 Unknown speaker a really good local example down at the
  4673. 3:27:58 Unknown speaker National Western Center. If anybody's
  4674. 3:28:00 Unknown speaker been down there by the the stock show,
  4675. 3:28:02 Unknown speaker uh, all those CSU buildings are actually
  4676. 3:28:05 Unknown speaker heated by wastewater. So, they uh, take
  4677. 3:28:09 Unknown speaker water, waste water from a collection
  4678. 3:28:10 Unknown speaker system, they pump it through heat
  4679. 3:28:12 Unknown speaker exchangers, and that then is transferred
  4680. 3:28:14 Unknown speaker into a loop that goes to all the
  4681. 3:28:17 Unknown speaker different buildings, and it's used for
  4682. 3:28:18 Unknown speaker heating. Um, so a really innovative
  4683. 3:28:20 Unknown speaker approach to that. And so we're this
  4684. 3:28:23 Unknown speaker would not be the first district energy
  4685. 3:28:25 Unknown speaker system doing wastewater. These are prime
  4686. 3:28:27 Unknown speaker examples around the country and actually
  4687. 3:28:29 Unknown speaker a number of them are here in Colorado.
  4688. 3:28:32 Unknown speaker And uh this is where the rubber meets
  4689. 3:28:35 Unknown speaker the road in Longmont. So in the dashed
  4690. 3:28:37 Unknown speaker red line uh is is our wastewater
  4691. 3:28:40 Unknown speaker treatment plant. And then in the orange
  4692. 3:28:42 Unknown speaker and purple areas are all what we are
  4693. 3:28:44 Unknown speaker calling opportunity zones. So those are
  4694. 3:28:47 Unknown speaker development areas adjacent to the
  4695. 3:28:48 Unknown speaker wastewater plant that could leverage
  4696. 3:28:51 Unknown speaker district energy and uh so over the
  4697. 3:28:54 Unknown speaker coming months we're going to be
  4698. 3:28:56 Unknown speaker evaluating probably with you all and
  4699. 3:28:58 Unknown speaker with others um what is the policy and
  4700. 3:29:00 Unknown speaker planning look like for uh technology
  4701. 3:29:03 Unknown speaker like this? What type of infrastructure
  4702. 3:29:05 Unknown speaker would we need to put in place piping
  4703. 3:29:07 Unknown speaker that central utility plant and then how
  4704. 3:29:10 Unknown speaker would we set this up as a utility? would
  4705. 3:29:12 Unknown speaker we own it as the city or would it be
  4706. 3:29:14 Unknown speaker turned over to a third party for design,
  4707. 3:29:16 Unknown speaker build, operate, maintain? But uh but an
  4708. 3:29:18 Unknown speaker exciting thing that I think we're
  4709. 3:29:20 Unknown speaker handling as part of the uh the master
  4710. 3:29:22 Unknown speaker plan and we'll engage you all later. I
  4711. 3:29:24 Unknown speaker don't if you guys want to say anything
  4712. 3:29:25 Unknown speaker else.
  4713. 3:29:26 Unknown speaker Yeah, generally we're looking at a few
  4714. 3:29:27 Unknown speaker things on this. So one uh we have a
  4715. 3:29:30 Unknown speaker problem that we know we need to correct
  4716. 3:29:31 Unknown speaker and that problem's going to cost us
  4717. 3:29:33 Unknown speaker money to correct and if we can find a
  4718. 3:29:35 Unknown speaker way to actually monetize it then that
  4719. 3:29:38 Unknown speaker reduces the capital cost in finding a
  4720. 3:29:40 Unknown speaker solution. The other component of this is
  4721. 3:29:43 Unknown speaker that when we think about the energy
  4722. 3:29:45 Unknown speaker requirements that we have especially in
  4723. 3:29:46 Unknown speaker the winter and we think about um our
  4724. 3:29:50 Unknown speaker energy goals and and and renewable you
  4725. 3:29:53 Unknown speaker know when you look at the winter months
  4726. 3:29:55 Unknown speaker that we're that's where you can have
  4727. 3:29:56 Unknown speaker some challenges uh in terms of providing
  4728. 3:29:59 Unknown speaker energy. This actually gives us the
  4729. 3:30:01 Unknown speaker ability in this area to reduce the
  4730. 3:30:03 Unknown speaker energy usage as we get closer to the
  4731. 3:30:05 Unknown speaker 100% goal, which allows us to balance
  4732. 3:30:09 Unknown speaker our our system on the electric side. So,
  4733. 3:30:12 Unknown speaker you're seeing the interplay between
  4734. 3:30:13 Unknown speaker utilities and how they support each
  4735. 3:30:15 Unknown speaker other.
  4736. 3:30:19 Unknown speaker Thank you. Do we have any questions from
  4737. 3:30:21 Unknown speaker council? Yes, council member Popton.
  4738. 3:30:23 Unknown speaker Super quickly, I just want to say this
  4739. 3:30:25 Unknown speaker is exciting. I've worked with a couple
  4740. 3:30:27 Unknown speaker municipal utilities who have been
  4741. 3:30:29 Unknown speaker exploring these types of solutions or
  4742. 3:30:30 Unknown speaker deploying them for many uh years. So,
  4743. 3:30:33 Unknown speaker full steam ahead.
  4744. 3:30:35 Unknown speaker Great. We're on to storm drainage. Thank
  4745. 3:30:38 Unknown speaker you.
  4746. 3:30:49 Unknown speaker Good evening, city coun mayor, city
  4747. 3:30:51 Unknown speaker council members. Uh Jim Angstat,
  4748. 3:30:53 Unknown speaker director of engineering services. Um,
  4749. 3:30:55 Unknown speaker we've got about 60 more slides to get
  4750. 3:30:57 Unknown speaker through, so
  4751. 3:30:59 Unknown speaker I'll try to be brief.
  4752. 3:31:00 Unknown speaker Are you kidding?
  4753. 3:31:01 Unknown speaker Yes.
  4754. 3:31:02 Unknown speaker Okay, thank you.
  4755. 3:31:05 Unknown speaker I I always try to start with a joke, no
  4756. 3:31:06 Unknown speaker matter how bad it is.
  4757. 3:31:07 Unknown speaker It's not funny.
  4758. 3:31:09 Unknown speaker Um,
  4759. 3:31:10 Unknown speaker perfect.
  4760. 3:31:11 Unknown speaker Was not amused.
  4761. 3:31:12 Unknown speaker Not not to rain on your parade here, but
  4762. 3:31:14 Unknown speaker we're going to talk storm water. Um
  4763. 3:31:18 Unknown speaker so uh
  4764. 3:31:20 Unknown speaker um public works and engineering storm
  4765. 3:31:23 Unknown speaker drainage uh funded through the storm
  4766. 3:31:25 Unknown speaker fund um uh key mission is to maintain
  4767. 3:31:29 Unknown speaker and improve Longmont's storm drainage
  4768. 3:31:32 Unknown speaker system uh through our underground
  4769. 3:31:34 Unknown speaker system.
  4770. 3:31:35 Unknown speaker What I al I didn't note here it also
  4771. 3:31:38 Unknown speaker includes uh 50 plus miles of waterways
  4772. 3:31:41 Unknown speaker and ditches that we maintain year round.
  4773. 3:31:44 Unknown speaker Um we also protect uh maintain quality
  4774. 3:31:47 Unknown speaker of streams um through our MS4 program.
  4775. 3:31:50 Unknown speaker Uh that is the municipal separate storm
  4776. 3:31:54 Unknown speaker sewer system program established uh and
  4777. 3:31:57 Unknown speaker permitted through the state.
  4778. 3:32:00 Unknown speaker Here we go.
  4779. 3:32:03 Unknown speaker Um budget summary for this year. We're
  4780. 3:32:05 Unknown speaker going to be uh we're targeting about $14
  4781. 3:32:07 Unknown speaker million. Um it is a slight decrease from
  4782. 3:32:10 Unknown speaker last year. A little bit of a downturn in
  4783. 3:32:12 Unknown speaker capital. um operations is actually a
  4784. 3:32:15 Unknown speaker little bit up. Um and we'll show that
  4785. 3:32:18 Unknown speaker breakdown in a the next slide or two. Uh
  4786. 3:32:20 Unknown speaker revenue sources are our um storm fees uh
  4787. 3:32:24 Unknown speaker through the utility bills. Um we also
  4788. 3:32:26 Unknown speaker have some development fees and then
  4789. 3:32:28 Unknown speaker there is some grant funding um that
  4790. 3:32:31 Unknown speaker helps to supplement our uh revenues. Uh
  4791. 3:32:35 Unknown speaker that grant funding currently is
  4792. 3:32:37 Unknown speaker targeting the the RSVP project. Um we
  4793. 3:32:40 Unknown speaker did uh hear the project had been stalled
  4794. 3:32:44 Unknown speaker the next phase uh the phase from sunset
  4795. 3:32:46 Unknown speaker to Hoverver. Um we had um have a a a
  4796. 3:32:51 Unknown speaker grant uh from FEMA um through the state
  4797. 3:32:55 Unknown speaker that um was currently on hold um pending
  4798. 3:32:59 Unknown speaker review of our 30% plans. They just
  4799. 3:33:01 Unknown speaker released it last week and released the
  4800. 3:33:03 Unknown speaker grant. So we are back in design mode. We
  4801. 3:33:07 Unknown speaker will be designing through 2027. Um
  4802. 3:33:10 Unknown speaker anticipating construction in beginning
  4803. 3:33:12 Unknown speaker of 2028.
  4804. 3:33:13 Unknown speaker How much is the grant?
  4805. 3:33:15 Unknown speaker Um the grant was um I think what's left
  4806. 3:33:18 Unknown speaker in the grant is 13 million. Um believe
  4807. 3:33:21 Unknown speaker it was upwards of 15. Uh but we had used
  4808. 3:33:24 Unknown speaker the initial part for some of the design
  4809. 3:33:31 Unknown speaker uh budget summary for storm fund. Um
  4810. 3:33:35 Unknown speaker you can see our our uh 13 million is in
  4811. 3:33:38 Unknown speaker charges and then the other is is mostly
  4812. 3:33:40 Unknown speaker interest earnings. Um our expense budget
  4813. 3:33:43 Unknown speaker there is some debt service. Um we are uh
  4814. 3:33:46 Unknown speaker we have a portion of CIP and then the
  4815. 3:33:49 Unknown speaker healthy portion of the budget is um is
  4816. 3:33:52 Unknown speaker our operating budget.
  4817. 3:33:59 Unknown speaker Uh some of the challenges uh it's been
  4818. 3:34:01 Unknown speaker kind of repetitive in in in some of what
  4819. 3:34:04 Unknown speaker you heard tonight, but asset management
  4820. 3:34:06 Unknown speaker uh is a uh is always a challenge in a
  4821. 3:34:09 Unknown speaker city that's 155 years old. Um we are
  4822. 3:34:13 Unknown speaker looking also uh the same team that does
  4823. 3:34:16 Unknown speaker most of our streets uh also does our
  4824. 3:34:18 Unknown speaker storm drainage and our engineering
  4825. 3:34:19 Unknown speaker groups uh as well as operations. So
  4826. 3:34:21 Unknown speaker there are competing priorities for
  4827. 3:34:23 Unknown speaker staffing. Um we are dealing also with
  4828. 3:34:26 Unknown speaker some changing regulatory criteria mostly
  4829. 3:34:29 Unknown speaker in our water quality area. Uh the fed
  4830. 3:34:32 Unknown speaker federal government's pulled back a lot
  4831. 3:34:33 Unknown speaker of their their regulations involving
  4832. 3:34:35 Unknown speaker wetlands and the state has started
  4833. 3:34:37 Unknown speaker picking up programs to cover that. So we
  4834. 3:34:40 Unknown speaker are kind of in that in that mix of of
  4835. 3:34:43 Unknown speaker how do we advance projects when it's not
  4836. 3:34:46 Unknown speaker always clear who's going to provide the
  4837. 3:34:48 Unknown speaker permitting for it. Um and then there are
  4838. 3:34:52 Unknown speaker in our maintenance groups uh there is
  4839. 3:34:54 Unknown speaker some some conflicts we have. There are
  4840. 3:34:55 Unknown speaker some limitations um in some of our
  4841. 3:34:57 Unknown speaker channels. There are access uh issues. Um
  4842. 3:35:01 Unknown speaker there are also some um some
  4843. 3:35:04 Unknown speaker environmental issues when we maintain
  4844. 3:35:06 Unknown speaker some of our channels. Uh we have a
  4845. 3:35:09 Unknown speaker tendency using large equipment to blow
  4846. 3:35:11 Unknown speaker and go um to try to make water flow.
  4847. 3:35:14 Unknown speaker That is not always uh in alignment with
  4848. 3:35:16 Unknown speaker some of our our environmental criteria.
  4849. 3:35:19 Unknown speaker So, we have been working through some of
  4850. 3:35:20 Unknown speaker those those conflicts to to provide a
  4851. 3:35:23 Unknown speaker better product that can that that
  4852. 3:35:25 Unknown speaker doesn't really that is more
  4853. 3:35:27 Unknown speaker environmentally sensitive.
  4854. 3:35:31 Unknown speaker And on that note,
  4855. 3:35:35 Unknown speaker we can drive over to transportation.
  4856. 3:35:39 Unknown speaker Any questions on storm water or
  4857. 3:35:41 Unknown speaker do we have any questions on storm water?
  4858. 3:35:43 Unknown speaker Nope. Oh, we do. Council member PTO,
  4859. 3:35:47 Unknown speaker just a comment. I'm sorry, Becky. I
  4860. 3:35:49 Unknown speaker think I have a new favorite presenter.
  4861. 3:35:51 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  4862. 3:35:54 Unknown speaker Okay. Oh my. Okay, we're on to
  4863. 3:35:56 Unknown speaker transportation street fund.
  4864. 3:36:00 Unknown speaker Um, so our mission is is we we look in
  4865. 3:36:02 Unknown speaker public works and engineering uh the city
  4866. 3:36:04 Unknown speaker to provide a safe and reliable
  4867. 3:36:06 Unknown speaker transportation network uh including
  4868. 3:36:08 Unknown speaker transit services for all types of users
  4869. 3:36:11 Unknown speaker uh within the city of Longmont. Um, we
  4870. 3:36:15 Unknown speaker are also look to apply timely
  4871. 3:36:16 Unknown speaker maintenance and improvements uh on our
  4872. 3:36:18 Unknown speaker investments whether it be pavement,
  4873. 3:36:20 Unknown speaker sidewalk, traffic signals um along the
  4874. 3:36:24 Unknown speaker 365
  4875. 3:36:25 Unknown speaker center line miles of roadway. Uh when I
  4876. 3:36:27 Unknown speaker did last year's presentation, it was
  4877. 3:36:30 Unknown speaker 356.
  4878. 3:36:31 Unknown speaker We've added 9 miles of roadway. Um that
  4879. 3:36:34 Unknown speaker does not include the 11 miles of seed
  4880. 3:36:36 Unknown speaker dot roadway that that we have a an
  4881. 3:36:39 Unknown speaker agreement with uh that we maintain or um
  4882. 3:36:42 Unknown speaker any of the alleyways. Uh so when we we
  4883. 3:36:47 Unknown speaker talk about timely maintenance most of
  4884. 3:36:49 Unknown speaker our and and providing safe uh
  4885. 3:36:52 Unknown speaker transportation
  4886. 3:36:53 Unknown speaker uh options we we uh we work on almost
  4887. 3:36:57 Unknown speaker all of our projects to provide
  4888. 3:37:00 Unknown speaker pedestrian bicycle and safe
  4889. 3:37:02 Unknown speaker improvements. Um, examples of that are
  4890. 3:37:04 Unknown speaker in our in our when we do repaving in our
  4891. 3:37:07 Unknown speaker in Tart through our asphalt management
  4892. 3:37:09 Unknown speaker program. We are we look um to see what
  4893. 3:37:13 Unknown speaker improvements can be done. Uh this year's
  4894. 3:37:15 Unknown speaker example I'll use is on Quail Road where
  4895. 3:37:17 Unknown speaker we've recently repaved it down by the
  4896. 3:37:20 Unknown speaker the the the museum. And then we also in
  4897. 3:37:23 Unknown speaker installed a safer pedestrian crossing.
  4898. 3:37:26 Unknown speaker Um so we do try to do those improvements
  4899. 3:37:28 Unknown speaker in conjunction with uh um some of the
  4900. 3:37:31 Unknown speaker funding through TRP11 which is our
  4901. 3:37:33 Unknown speaker transit transportation system
  4902. 3:37:34 Unknown speaker management. Um and then you know other
  4903. 3:37:37 Unknown speaker projects like I'll say Pace um Pace
  4904. 3:37:40 Unknown speaker Street currently uh where we we are
  4905. 3:37:42 Unknown speaker actually widening out the roadway um to
  4906. 3:37:45 Unknown speaker provide additional bike facilities as
  4907. 3:37:48 Unknown speaker well as um some safe crossings.
  4908. 3:37:54 Unknown speaker Um some of our budget up um on the left
  4909. 3:37:58 Unknown speaker pie although that other is a weird piece
  4910. 3:38:01 Unknown speaker of pie. Um the taxes um is mostly coming
  4911. 3:38:05 Unknown speaker from our sales and use tax. There is
  4912. 3:38:07 Unknown speaker some um automobile tax that is thrown in
  4913. 3:38:10 Unknown speaker there. uh intergovernmental grants is is
  4914. 3:38:13 Unknown speaker going to be um state highway user tax
  4915. 3:38:16 Unknown speaker dollars and then grants um predominant
  4916. 3:38:19 Unknown speaker share of the grants for next year are uh
  4917. 3:38:22 Unknown speaker actually going to be funding um the ride
  4918. 3:38:24 Unknown speaker long program. Um a lot of our our grants
  4919. 3:38:27 Unknown speaker for construction have tapered off in the
  4920. 3:38:29 Unknown speaker last few years but um that the the
  4921. 3:38:32 Unknown speaker transportation planning team has been
  4922. 3:38:34 Unknown speaker very successful in helping to fund that.
  4923. 3:38:36 Unknown speaker We'll have some more information that in
  4924. 3:38:37 Unknown speaker in Cammy's presentation in a few
  4925. 3:38:39 Unknown speaker minutes. um expenses. Um again, similar
  4926. 3:38:43 Unknown speaker to what you saw in storm water, uh we do
  4927. 3:38:46 Unknown speaker have some CIP, predominant amount of
  4928. 3:38:48 Unknown speaker that funding is is going to go into
  4929. 3:38:50 Unknown speaker operating. Um that's going to be your
  4930. 3:38:52 Unknown speaker operating is going to cover your, you
  4931. 3:38:54 Unknown speaker know, guys doing filling potholes, uh
  4932. 3:38:57 Unknown speaker plowing streets, sweeping streets, uh
  4933. 3:38:59 Unknown speaker operations on our signals. Um the the
  4934. 3:39:02 Unknown speaker and then the transit program is is
  4935. 3:39:04 Unknown speaker again, you'll see a breakdown in a
  4936. 3:39:06 Unknown speaker little bit of of those costs.
  4937. 3:39:11 Unknown speaker Some of the challenging challenges in
  4938. 3:39:13 Unknown speaker this year's budget was uh we we we have
  4939. 3:39:17 Unknown speaker an increasing demand to fund some of the
  4940. 3:39:20 Unknown speaker new transit services um some of our
  4941. 3:39:22 Unknown speaker multimotal improvements and as we move
  4942. 3:39:24 Unknown speaker forward into division zero. We're going
  4943. 3:39:26 Unknown speaker to see challenges with with how do we
  4944. 3:39:28 Unknown speaker provide maintenance um and some capital
  4945. 3:39:30 Unknown speaker improvements for the road while
  4946. 3:39:32 Unknown speaker providing for those transit
  4947. 3:39:34 Unknown speaker opportunities. Um we have not raised the
  4948. 3:39:36 Unknown speaker sales and use tax in since it was uh
  4949. 3:39:39 Unknown speaker created uh or instituted in the 80s. Uh
  4950. 3:39:41 Unknown speaker it is still 3/4 cent. So um we are while
  4951. 3:39:46 Unknown speaker while the city has grown when we've seen
  4952. 3:39:47 Unknown speaker that budget grow uh the what we are um
  4953. 3:39:51 Unknown speaker that tax has not uh that tax rate has
  4954. 3:39:53 Unknown speaker not changed. Um, one of the challenges
  4955. 3:39:56 Unknown speaker again is when we defer maintenance and
  4956. 3:39:58 Unknown speaker in some of our budgets we have to cut
  4957. 3:40:00 Unknown speaker some of our asphalt rehab uh to fund
  4958. 3:40:03 Unknown speaker other items. Um, when you defer that
  4959. 3:40:06 Unknown speaker maintenance that builds up over time and
  4960. 3:40:08 Unknown speaker then it it you may not on a mill and
  4961. 3:40:10 Unknown speaker resurface of a roadway you may not be
  4962. 3:40:12 Unknown speaker able to mill and resurface it if you
  4963. 3:40:14 Unknown speaker wait too long you may have to rebuild it
  4964. 3:40:15 Unknown speaker entirely which costs significantly more.
  4965. 3:40:18 Unknown speaker Um we have seen costs increase faster
  4966. 3:40:22 Unknown speaker than our sales tax revenue has grown. Um
  4967. 3:40:25 Unknown speaker we have been um fortunate this year and
  4968. 3:40:27 Unknown speaker we probably attribute it to some of the
  4969. 3:40:29 Unknown speaker market um in that on the a number of the
  4970. 3:40:32 Unknown speaker projects we have put out to bid in this
  4971. 3:40:36 Unknown speaker year's cycle since February. They have
  4972. 3:40:38 Unknown speaker been have come in under budget or at
  4973. 3:40:41 Unknown speaker budget. Yes, thank you.
  4974. 3:40:43 Unknown speaker Um and then again competing priorities
  4975. 3:40:45 Unknown speaker for staffing is is kind of an ongoing
  4976. 3:40:48 Unknown speaker challenge for us.
  4977. 3:40:50 Unknown speaker Um when I talk about kind of that 365
  4978. 3:40:54 Unknown speaker miles of city and maintain miles in the
  4979. 3:40:56 Unknown speaker city and maintaining it um and the
  4980. 3:40:59 Unknown speaker competition in in staffing, it isn't
  4981. 3:41:02 Unknown speaker just between funds. It's also in in kind
  4982. 3:41:04 Unknown speaker of some of the projects we highlight. Um
  4983. 3:41:07 Unknown speaker and so we put together this first in
  4984. 3:41:09 Unknown speaker main project map of many things that
  4985. 3:41:11 Unknown speaker shows the effort that the city is going
  4986. 3:41:14 Unknown speaker to be undertaking um in the first and
  4987. 3:41:16 Unknown speaker main area within the next two years. Um
  4988. 3:41:19 Unknown speaker what those you don't have to focus kind
  4989. 3:41:21 Unknown speaker of on it but the colors are highlighting
  4990. 3:41:22 Unknown speaker a project we have uh whether it's a
  4991. 3:41:24 Unknown speaker storm project building a pond traffic
  4992. 3:41:26 Unknown speaker signals uh the Boston Avenue uh
  4993. 3:41:29 Unknown speaker crossing.
  4994. 3:41:30 Unknown speaker Hey Jim, they've seen this one a few
  4995. 3:41:31 Unknown speaker times.
  4996. 3:41:32 Unknown speaker Darn. [laughter]
  4997. 3:41:34 Unknown speaker Well then I'll put it in context.
  4998. 3:41:35 Unknown speaker Harold.
  4999. 3:41:36 Unknown speaker Yeah. Yeah,
  5000. 3:41:37 Unknown speaker cuz there
  5001. 3:41:39 Unknown speaker that's what it looks like in comparison
  5002. 3:41:40 Unknown speaker to the rest of the city.
  5003. 3:41:42 Unknown speaker So, while we focus on that little piece
  5004. 3:41:43 Unknown speaker of of of of the city, we still public
  5005. 3:41:46 Unknown speaker works will still be maintaining the rest
  5006. 3:41:48 Unknown speaker of the infrastructure in the city.
  5007. 3:41:50 Unknown speaker So, you can sleep well tonight that
  5008. 3:41:52 Unknown speaker we're going to be filling potholes and
  5009. 3:41:54 Unknown speaker fixing traffic signals um and making our
  5010. 3:41:57 Unknown speaker residents life better.
  5011. 3:42:00 Unknown speaker Okay. And that I'm gonna open up to any
  5012. 3:42:03 Unknown speaker questions before I turn it over to Cammy
  5013. 3:42:05 Unknown speaker who will bedazzle you with so much
  5014. 3:42:08 Unknown speaker information about transit.
  5015. 3:42:11 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. And I don't see anyone
  5016. 3:42:12 Unknown speaker in the queue. Thank you.
  5017. 3:42:15 Unknown speaker My bedazzling comes in the form of four
  5018. 3:42:18 Unknown speaker slides and then we're out of here
  5019. 3:42:20 Unknown speaker besides some closing slides for Becky.
  5020. 3:42:22 Unknown speaker So that's it. So this transit section is
  5021. 3:42:24 Unknown speaker just to give you set the stage for how
  5022. 3:42:27 Unknown speaker many different services we're managing
  5023. 3:42:29 Unknown speaker on top of the projects that Jim just
  5024. 3:42:31 Unknown speaker talked through. So this gives you an
  5025. 3:42:33 Unknown speaker overview of um the different types of
  5026. 3:42:36 Unknown speaker services we're providing and the total
  5027. 3:42:38 Unknown speaker number of service providers we're
  5028. 3:42:40 Unknown speaker working with. So um there is about eight
  5029. 3:42:42 Unknown speaker total service providers that we are
  5030. 3:42:44 Unknown speaker actively working with right now. That's
  5031. 3:42:46 Unknown speaker up two from two years ago. And so the
  5032. 3:42:49 Unknown speaker more we look to provide multimodal
  5033. 3:42:51 Unknown speaker options to Jim's point, the more funding
  5034. 3:42:53 Unknown speaker we're going to need to secure. We often
  5035. 3:42:55 Unknown speaker start with grant funding, but grant
  5036. 3:42:57 Unknown speaker funding is not always the most is not
  5037. 3:42:59 Unknown speaker always sustainable for a service once we
  5038. 3:43:01 Unknown speaker get it started. So just wanted to sort
  5039. 3:43:02 Unknown speaker of set the stage. We have eight
  5040. 3:43:04 Unknown speaker different service providers currently.
  5041. 3:43:07 Unknown speaker Um, next slide. To also put into context
  5042. 3:43:11 Unknown speaker some key timing features around transit
  5043. 3:43:15 Unknown speaker service decisions that are going to need
  5044. 3:43:17 Unknown speaker to be made. Right now through next year,
  5045. 3:43:20 Unknown speaker there are two different planning
  5046. 3:43:22 Unknown speaker processes happening concurrently,
  5047. 3:43:24 Unknown speaker especially with our main provider RTD.
  5048. 3:43:26 Unknown speaker And they are pretty much the parallel
  5049. 3:43:27 Unknown speaker opposite from one another. We are going
  5050. 3:43:29 Unknown speaker through a budget reduction process with
  5051. 3:43:31 Unknown speaker RTD service reduction process as well as
  5052. 3:43:34 Unknown speaker looking at developing a new five-year
  5053. 3:43:36 Unknown speaker service plan. So those two things are
  5054. 3:43:39 Unknown speaker hard on RTD staff. They're challenging
  5055. 3:43:41 Unknown speaker for our staff, but we will work through
  5056. 3:43:42 Unknown speaker it. Once we get through the planning
  5057. 3:43:45 Unknown speaker process next year, it will kick off into
  5058. 3:43:47 Unknown speaker the implementation plan, which you see
  5059. 3:43:48 Unknown speaker on the bottom part, which will be the
  5060. 3:43:50 Unknown speaker new service plan with RTD, which will go
  5061. 3:43:51 Unknown speaker from 2028 to 2032. So, just wanted you
  5062. 3:43:56 Unknown speaker to have that kind of reference as we
  5063. 3:43:58 Unknown speaker talk about what are we going to do with
  5064. 3:43:59 Unknown speaker transit as a whole, all these different
  5065. 3:44:01 Unknown speaker providers. There's some key service
  5066. 3:44:04 Unknown speaker changes that are also in play besides
  5067. 3:44:06 Unknown speaker the planning processes. So, in the blue
  5068. 3:44:08 Unknown speaker boxes you see, there are two brand new
  5069. 3:44:10 Unknown speaker services coming on which will be
  5070. 3:44:12 Unknown speaker impactful to Longmont and the rest of
  5071. 3:44:14 Unknown speaker our services. Bus rapid transit, the
  5072. 3:44:17 Unknown speaker diagonal flyers, we talked about them
  5073. 3:44:19 Unknown speaker earlier. The orange line, the blue line
  5074. 3:44:21 Unknown speaker is coming essentially starting what we
  5075. 3:44:24 Unknown speaker think will be by spring next year, maybe
  5076. 3:44:26 Unknown speaker a little bit sooner. So that's great
  5077. 3:44:28 Unknown speaker news, but it will also impact what
  5078. 3:44:30 Unknown speaker services people use and don't use. And
  5079. 3:44:33 Unknown speaker then two years later, past that, we are
  5080. 3:44:34 Unknown speaker all expecting that Coco, the Colorado
  5081. 3:44:37 Unknown speaker connector rail service, will also be
  5082. 3:44:38 Unknown speaker coming to Longmont. So, as we pull our
  5083. 3:44:41 Unknown speaker levers of what gives, what what services
  5084. 3:44:43 Unknown speaker go up, what services go down, we'll have
  5085. 3:44:45 Unknown speaker to keep in mind that these two new
  5086. 3:44:47 Unknown speaker services will come in and make a big
  5087. 3:44:48 Unknown speaker impact in Longmont. So, next slide. Just
  5088. 3:44:53 Unknown speaker wanted to give you a review of our
  5089. 3:44:55 Unknown speaker service providers and the cost per
  5090. 3:44:57 Unknown speaker rider. Wanted to mention just the cost
  5091. 3:44:59 Unknown speaker per rider is one metric. It was really
  5092. 3:45:02 Unknown speaker only part of the whole issue, but just
  5093. 3:45:05 Unknown speaker wanted to remind you that certain
  5094. 3:45:07 Unknown speaker services based on who they're servicing
  5095. 3:45:09 Unknown speaker and what service they're providing
  5096. 3:45:10 Unknown speaker should cost more than others. Obviously,
  5097. 3:45:13 Unknown speaker our paratransit services where it's more
  5098. 3:45:15 Unknown speaker of a white glove service, doortodoor
  5099. 3:45:16 Unknown speaker service should cost more than our 300
  5100. 3:45:19 Unknown speaker series buses where anyone just hop on,
  5101. 3:45:21 Unknown speaker hop off. So, just as you're looking at
  5102. 3:45:24 Unknown speaker cost per rider in charts, just know
  5103. 3:45:27 Unknown speaker you're not necessarily comparing apples
  5104. 3:45:29 Unknown speaker to apples. that some should cost more
  5105. 3:45:31 Unknown speaker and I just hope this chart shows that we
  5106. 3:45:33 Unknown speaker are appropriately spending more where we
  5107. 3:45:36 Unknown speaker would expect to spend more on transit
  5108. 3:45:37 Unknown speaker services and those that should be more
  5109. 3:45:39 Unknown speaker affordable don't cost as much.
  5110. 3:45:42 Unknown speaker Um I think next slide just to round it
  5111. 3:45:45 Unknown speaker out is here is a review of our favorite
  5112. 3:45:49 Unknown speaker new service microransit Ride Longmont.
  5113. 3:45:52 Unknown speaker We as Jim thank uh kindly said we've
  5114. 3:45:55 Unknown speaker been able to secure a number of grants.
  5115. 3:45:57 Unknown speaker Hopefully in the next two weeks we will
  5116. 3:45:59 Unknown speaker find out if we have state formulary
  5117. 3:46:01 Unknown speaker funding that can be predictable funding
  5118. 3:46:03 Unknown speaker year after year. We should know by early
  5119. 3:46:05 Unknown speaker October if um we have received that
  5120. 3:46:08 Unknown speaker money which will help bring down the
  5121. 3:46:10 Unknown speaker cost that we need to come up with every
  5122. 3:46:12 Unknown speaker year. But as this service grows and we
  5123. 3:46:15 Unknown speaker need to keep expanding, I think we
  5124. 3:46:16 Unknown speaker should expect that the service is going
  5125. 3:46:19 Unknown speaker to continue to need to grow based on its
  5126. 3:46:20 Unknown speaker popularity. Obviously the cost is going
  5127. 3:46:23 Unknown speaker to go up. So we'll need to figure out
  5128. 3:46:24 Unknown speaker sustainable funding for that.
  5129. 3:46:27 Unknown speaker RTD is very interested in supporting
  5130. 3:46:29 Unknown speaker local microtransit programs as a way to
  5131. 3:46:34 Unknown speaker focus more on their regional routes
  5132. 3:46:36 Unknown speaker potentially and give a little bit more
  5133. 3:46:37 Unknown speaker local control. So I think that's part of
  5134. 3:46:39 Unknown speaker that lever pulling that we'll continue
  5135. 3:46:41 Unknown speaker to talk about over the next year or two
  5136. 3:46:43 Unknown speaker as far as what will change. Harold,
  5137. 3:46:46 Unknown speaker myself, a lot of us are in a lot of
  5138. 3:46:48 Unknown speaker conversations with RTD regularly right
  5139. 3:46:50 Unknown speaker now as we're going through those two
  5140. 3:46:52 Unknown speaker parallel planning processes about what
  5141. 3:46:54 Unknown speaker should give, what can we, you know, play
  5142. 3:46:57 Unknown speaker with, what can we maybe repurpose, what
  5143. 3:46:59 Unknown speaker can we give up, and what do we want to
  5144. 3:47:02 Unknown speaker add. So, all of those conversations are
  5145. 3:47:04 Unknown speaker happening. And so I expect that for the
  5146. 3:47:07 Unknown speaker next few years when we come back and
  5147. 3:47:08 Unknown speaker talk about transit services, it's going
  5148. 3:47:10 Unknown speaker to look a little different each year
  5149. 3:47:11 Unknown speaker because decisions will have been made by
  5150. 3:47:13 Unknown speaker other agencies that are out of our
  5151. 3:47:15 Unknown speaker control that we are then reacting to as
  5152. 3:47:18 Unknown speaker far as trying to come up with the best
  5153. 3:47:19 Unknown speaker package of services for the community.
  5154. 3:47:23 Unknown speaker And I think that kicks it over to the
  5155. 3:47:26 Unknown speaker finishing it off.
  5156. 3:47:27 Unknown speaker All right, just to try to bring this
  5157. 3:47:29 Unknown speaker home. So, uh, you know, transportation,
  5158. 3:47:33 Unknown speaker as as you can tell from our discussion,
  5159. 3:47:34 Unknown speaker is a little bit different than the
  5160. 3:47:35 Unknown speaker utility services where you guys really
  5161. 3:47:37 Unknown speaker have the final say on what that cost to
  5162. 3:47:39 Unknown speaker the community is and what those rates
  5163. 3:47:41 Unknown speaker look like. Here we have, you know, those
  5164. 3:47:44 Unknown speaker voter approved taxes that support this
  5165. 3:47:46 Unknown speaker and to a certain extent, we are sizing
  5166. 3:47:48 Unknown speaker the service that we're providing to what
  5167. 3:47:49 Unknown speaker tax revenue is available. And that means
  5168. 3:47:52 Unknown speaker sometimes we have to make choices
  5169. 3:47:54 Unknown speaker between different things that we would
  5170. 3:47:55 Unknown speaker like to do and services we would like to
  5171. 3:47:57 Unknown speaker provide. And you know sometimes that
  5172. 3:48:00 Unknown speaker means a balance between you know
  5173. 3:48:01 Unknown speaker expanding service in one area or or you
  5174. 3:48:04 Unknown speaker know kind of maintaining assets um in in
  5175. 3:48:07 Unknown speaker another for example. So that's that's a
  5176. 3:48:10 Unknown speaker conversation that we're going to
  5177. 3:48:11 Unknown speaker continue to have with you each year as
  5178. 3:48:12 Unknown speaker that new information becomes available.
  5179. 3:48:15 Unknown speaker Um, but you know, just just know that
  5180. 3:48:18 Unknown speaker there are those pressures there that
  5181. 3:48:19 Unknown speaker we've been in able to to offer a a
  5182. 3:48:22 Unknown speaker wonderful array of services here and we
  5183. 3:48:27 Unknown speaker need to figure out how to do that in a
  5184. 3:48:29 Unknown speaker sustainable fashion while we maintain
  5185. 3:48:31 Unknown speaker the roadways. And I don't know if you
  5186. 3:48:32 Unknown speaker remember this, but but back when we
  5187. 3:48:35 Unknown speaker talked about CIP, we talked about how,
  5188. 3:48:37 Unknown speaker you know, we're we're getting to kind of
  5189. 3:48:39 Unknown speaker that that resurfacing work on on about
  5190. 3:48:42 Unknown speaker five miles of roadway per year, but
  5191. 3:48:44 Unknown speaker really the sustainable level would be 10
  5192. 3:48:46 Unknown speaker miles. So, how we crack that nut and and
  5193. 3:48:51 Unknown speaker um make sure that that the entire system
  5194. 3:48:53 Unknown speaker is getting the attention that it needs
  5195. 3:48:55 Unknown speaker while we also provide the the
  5196. 3:48:57 Unknown speaker transportation services that help our
  5197. 3:48:59 Unknown speaker entire community move safely. Um is is
  5198. 3:49:04 Unknown speaker going to be an ongoing effort. Um so
  5199. 3:49:07 Unknown speaker we'll we'll continue to pu pursue
  5200. 3:49:10 Unknown speaker I don't know what word that was uh
  5201. 3:49:12 Unknown speaker pursue external funding as as uh you
  5202. 3:49:14 Unknown speaker know Cammy mentioned um in in a lot of
  5203. 3:49:18 Unknown speaker areas obviously the the transit area is
  5204. 3:49:20 Unknown speaker is a is an important one but we also you
  5205. 3:49:23 Unknown speaker know continue to pursue um grants for
  5206. 3:49:25 Unknown speaker roadway projects um and and we know that
  5207. 3:49:28 Unknown speaker you know communication with with you and
  5208. 3:49:30 Unknown speaker with the public um is going to be really
  5209. 3:49:31 Unknown speaker important especially as we move through
  5210. 3:49:33 Unknown speaker this time where we are going to have
  5211. 3:49:34 Unknown speaker this this concentrated effort in our
  5212. 3:49:37 Unknown speaker downtown area. Um that's that's
  5213. 3:49:40 Unknown speaker something we really need the public to
  5214. 3:49:41 Unknown speaker understand that that's we're going to
  5215. 3:49:44 Unknown speaker it's we're going to go through something
  5216. 3:49:46 Unknown speaker together and when we come out on the
  5217. 3:49:48 Unknown speaker other side um it's it's going to be a
  5218. 3:49:50 Unknown speaker really incredible change for the
  5219. 3:49:52 Unknown speaker community. So, uh thank you. [laughter]
  5220. 3:49:55 Unknown speaker And here's here's what else is happening
  5221. 3:49:57 Unknown speaker in budget. Well, if you have questions
  5222. 3:49:59 Unknown speaker about transportation,
  5223. 3:50:00 Unknown speaker do we have any questions on
  5224. 3:50:01 Unknown speaker transportation? And we have um
  5225. 3:50:04 Unknown speaker approximately nine minutes left. Um
  5226. 3:50:07 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin.
  5227. 3:50:08 Unknown speaker Uh thank you, Mayor. Um Kimmy, can we go
  5228. 3:50:10 Unknown speaker back to the cost per type of service?
  5229. 3:50:14 Unknown speaker Yes, exactly. Could you just walk us
  5230. 3:50:16 Unknown speaker through the differences between the two
  5231. 3:50:17 Unknown speaker types of paratransit demand response
  5232. 3:50:19 Unknown speaker there? Um because the costs are
  5233. 3:50:21 Unknown speaker noticeably different, but are VIA and
  5234. 3:50:22 Unknown speaker RTD providing meaningfully different
  5235. 3:50:24 Unknown speaker service coverage?
  5236. 3:50:27 Unknown speaker Yeah. So by law, RTD is required to
  5237. 3:50:30 Unknown speaker provide paratransit service. So this is
  5238. 3:50:32 Unknown speaker their usually typo typically their
  5239. 3:50:35 Unknown speaker smaller buses that have the lifts for
  5240. 3:50:37 Unknown speaker those who who have mobility devices.
  5241. 3:50:40 Unknown speaker Um an accessor ride is a program that an
  5242. 3:50:44 Unknown speaker individual has to qualify for. They have
  5243. 3:50:47 Unknown speaker to go to an uh RTD qualific
  5244. 3:50:50 Unknown speaker qualification facility.
  5245. 3:50:52 Unknown speaker Once they pass and are sort of deemed
  5246. 3:50:54 Unknown speaker accessoride compatible then they are
  5247. 3:50:57 Unknown speaker able to get discounted ride and
  5248. 3:50:58 Unknown speaker services. that services that service and
  5249. 3:51:01 Unknown speaker those compatibility centers are
  5250. 3:51:03 Unknown speaker typically very far away especially for
  5251. 3:51:05 Unknown speaker Longmont residents. So our residents are
  5252. 3:51:06 Unknown speaker not necessarily becoming accessor
  5253. 3:51:11 Unknown speaker certified as much as maybe there is need
  5254. 3:51:13 Unknown speaker for um so
  5255. 3:51:17 Unknown speaker the other provider who does paratransit
  5256. 3:51:19 Unknown speaker via mobility um is a local service
  5257. 3:51:21 Unknown speaker provider. They are hubbed out of
  5258. 3:51:23 Unknown speaker Boulder. They also do the doortodoor
  5259. 3:51:25 Unknown speaker service. It's a much easier service to
  5260. 3:51:28 Unknown speaker get qualified for and then you are able
  5261. 3:51:30 Unknown speaker both services have call centers where
  5262. 3:51:32 Unknown speaker you can call and sort of book a ride
  5263. 3:51:33 Unknown speaker ahead and work with those providers but
  5264. 3:51:36 Unknown speaker they provide the hands-on one-on-one
  5265. 3:51:38 Unknown speaker support that a service like our
  5266. 3:51:40 Unknown speaker microtransit cannot do. Those providers
  5267. 3:51:42 Unknown speaker are not licensed nor trained to
  5268. 3:51:44 Unknown speaker necessarily offer help to individuals.
  5269. 3:51:46 Unknown speaker You have to be pretty able-bodied to
  5270. 3:51:48 Unknown speaker sort of get in and out of those vehicles
  5271. 3:51:49 Unknown speaker on your own. So they are comparable,
  5272. 3:51:52 Unknown speaker right? One is a private company, one is
  5273. 3:51:54 Unknown speaker a public company. They have different
  5274. 3:51:56 Unknown speaker funding sources.
  5275. 3:51:57 Unknown speaker Via Mobility provides a lot more service
  5276. 3:52:00 Unknown speaker for Longmont than what we're paying for
  5277. 3:52:02 Unknown speaker right now. So the cost per rider, true
  5278. 3:52:05 Unknown speaker cost per rider would actually probably
  5279. 3:52:07 Unknown speaker be higher than what's on that slide
  5280. 3:52:08 Unknown speaker versus what is the amount that Longmont
  5281. 3:52:10 Unknown speaker is contributing to via Mobility.
  5282. 3:52:12 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um and with that, I'd
  5283. 3:52:14 Unknown speaker like to make a motion to extend the
  5284. 3:52:15 Unknown speaker meeting to 1140.
  5285. 3:52:21 Unknown speaker So,
  5286. 3:52:22 Unknown speaker okay. Sorry, I was clarifying some
  5287. 3:52:24 Unknown speaker language over here. Um, [clears throat]
  5288. 3:52:25 Unknown speaker so we have a motion to extend the
  5289. 3:52:27 Unknown speaker meeting till what?
  5290. 3:52:28 Unknown speaker 11:40.
  5291. 3:52:31 Unknown speaker I mean, yeah, 11:40
  5292. 3:52:34 Unknown speaker that I mean we did lose the vote to
  5293. 3:52:38 Unknown speaker extend the meeting 3 to three. So, it
  5294. 3:52:41 Unknown speaker failed. So I think you know this
  5295. 3:52:43 Unknown speaker conversation is is
  5296. 3:52:45 Unknown speaker as a point of parliamentary procedure
  5297. 3:52:46 Unknown speaker here. So any uh this is a separate
  5298. 3:52:48 Unknown speaker motion. It is not uh it is not the same
  5299. 3:52:51 Unknown speaker motion. We've had this already in
  5300. 3:52:53 Unknown speaker previous meetings where we have extended
  5301. 3:52:54 Unknown speaker by a specific piece of time. It is
  5302. 3:52:57 Unknown speaker inefficient to do it this way. Yeah.
  5303. 3:52:58 Unknown speaker But um it's also inefficient to not get
  5304. 3:53:01 Unknown speaker through our prioritized council action
  5305. 3:53:02 Unknown speaker plan and boards and commissions for for
  5306. 3:53:04 Unknown speaker two months. But yeah, and a lot of it is
  5307. 3:53:07 Unknown speaker our fault because we are
  5308. 3:53:10 Unknown speaker the
  5309. 3:53:12 Unknown speaker folks that we're trying to make are just
  5310. 3:53:14 Unknown speaker taking way too much, eating way too much
  5311. 3:53:16 Unknown speaker of our time and then we don't have
  5312. 3:53:19 Unknown speaker people here for votes.
  5313. 3:53:20 Unknown speaker As a point of order, there's a motion on
  5314. 3:53:22 Unknown speaker I know. I know. I I hear you. Do we have
  5315. 3:53:25 Unknown speaker a second?
  5316. 3:53:27 Unknown speaker Okay. Council member McCalkoffer has
  5317. 3:53:29 Unknown speaker seconded.
  5318. 3:53:30 Unknown speaker So, we have an active motion on the
  5319. 3:53:32 Unknown speaker table to extend the meeting p um past
  5320. 3:53:35 Unknown speaker 11:40. No to 11:40.
  5321. 3:53:41 Unknown speaker Okay. And we did send people home. Yes,
  5322. 3:53:43 Unknown speaker we did. So, okay. Let's go ahead and
  5323. 3:53:45 Unknown speaker vote.
  5324. 3:53:55 Unknown speaker It's not popping up for me.
  5325. 3:53:59 Unknown speaker Did it pop up for you, Mercy?
  5326. 3:54:01 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  5327. 3:54:02 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5328. 3:54:09 Unknown speaker Okay. And that fails um 3 to four with
  5329. 3:54:12 Unknown speaker myself, Council Member Chris, Council
  5330. 3:54:14 Unknown speaker Member McCoy, and um Council Member
  5331. 3:54:16 Unknown speaker Prito in opposition. So, we now have
  5332. 3:54:20 Unknown speaker five minutes left.
  5333. 3:54:22 Unknown speaker Um
  5334. 3:54:23 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5335. 3:54:27 Unknown speaker So, Council Member Christ.
  5336. 3:54:31 Unknown speaker Well, I just want to thank everyone for
  5337. 3:54:34 Unknown speaker a great presentation. We're very excited
  5338. 3:54:36 Unknown speaker about transportation and and you know,
  5339. 3:54:38 Unknown speaker all the other great things you have to
  5340. 3:54:40 Unknown speaker show um especially wastewater and the
  5341. 3:54:44 Unknown speaker new thermal, you know, using the thermal
  5342. 3:54:46 Unknown speaker energy is very exciting and very
  5343. 3:54:49 Unknown speaker innovative. So, thank you for your
  5344. 3:54:51 Unknown speaker presentations.
  5345. 3:54:53 Unknown speaker I did want to specifically point that
  5346. 3:54:56 Unknown speaker out because as we look at the projects
  5347. 3:54:58 Unknown speaker that we're talking about first in Maine,
  5348. 3:54:59 Unknown speaker we're going to be moving
  5349. 3:55:01 Unknown speaker on this and so you'll be seeing it more
  5350. 3:55:03 Unknown speaker often.
  5351. 3:55:04 Unknown speaker Make the motion of the next meeting.
  5352. 3:55:06 Unknown speaker That way we can have a more robust
  5353. 3:55:07 Unknown speaker conversation on that at the beginning.
  5354. 3:55:09 Unknown speaker Yes. Yes. So, and then um our next
  5355. 3:55:12 Unknown speaker meeting is a
  5356. 3:55:15 Unknown speaker study session. Um we do have somebody
  5357. 3:55:17 Unknown speaker who wants to make a motion in regard to
  5358. 3:55:20 Unknown speaker this um item. item. I think it was
  5359. 3:55:23 Unknown speaker attachment N
  5360. 3:55:24 Unknown speaker in 12 C, but we will do that at the
  5361. 3:55:26 Unknown speaker beginning of the next meeting. Um, we
  5362. 3:55:29 Unknown speaker have four minutes left. Council member
  5363. 3:55:31 Unknown speaker Cetto.
  5364. 3:55:32 Unknown speaker Um, Mayor, I was just wanting to make a
  5365. 3:55:34 Unknown speaker comment, something I wanted to bring to
  5366. 3:55:35 Unknown speaker you guys via youth council. Is this an
  5367. 3:55:37 Unknown speaker appropriate time?
  5368. 3:55:38 Unknown speaker Um,
  5369. 3:55:38 Unknown speaker it's real quick.
  5370. 3:55:39 Unknown speaker Yeah. Yeah. Because we're already at
  5371. 3:55:41 Unknown speaker Well, we do have final call public
  5372. 3:55:43 Unknown speaker invited to be heard.
  5373. 3:55:44 Unknown speaker So, I do we have any members of the
  5374. 3:55:46 Unknown speaker public who want to speak in one minute?
  5375. 3:55:49 Unknown speaker Okay. Seeing none, go ahead. We are now
  5376. 3:55:51 Unknown speaker at mayor and council comments.
  5377. 3:55:52 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5378. 3:55:54 Unknown speaker Um, so I was at youth council today and
  5379. 3:55:57 Unknown speaker they will be hosting their trunk or
  5380. 3:55:59 Unknown speaker treat and they did offer council to
  5381. 3:56:02 Unknown speaker potentially host like a table or u
  5382. 3:56:05 Unknown speaker something like that. So I'll I'll be
  5383. 3:56:07 Unknown speaker kind of spearheading that. So if any of
  5384. 3:56:08 Unknown speaker you guys are interested to do that with
  5385. 3:56:10 Unknown speaker me, uh, please email me.
  5386. 3:56:12 Unknown speaker Okay, great. Thank you, Council Member
  5387. 3:56:15 Unknown speaker Marine.
  5388. 3:56:17 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, I wanted to
  5389. 3:56:18 Unknown speaker mention, and I've shared this with staff
  5390. 3:56:20 Unknown speaker and with everyone on council, but just
  5391. 3:56:21 Unknown speaker publicly, I know the airport visioning
  5392. 3:56:22 Unknown speaker session is this Saturday. Um, there's a
  5393. 3:56:25 Unknown speaker scheduling conflict in my family that's
  5394. 3:56:26 Unknown speaker going to necessitate me being out of
  5395. 3:56:28 Unknown speaker town. Um, I sent a fairly long memo to
  5396. 3:56:30 Unknown speaker to Sandy and I think she's going to
  5397. 3:56:32 Unknown speaker share the contents of of kind of my
  5398. 3:56:34 Unknown speaker thinking on the questions that you all
  5399. 3:56:35 Unknown speaker are going to be asked. In general, um,
  5400. 3:56:39 Unknown speaker KMO needs to be a broadly supported
  5401. 3:56:40 Unknown speaker community asset and and I lay out, you
  5402. 3:56:43 Unknown speaker know, kind of how I would think to do
  5403. 3:56:44 Unknown speaker that and I hope that that that can be
  5404. 3:56:46 Unknown speaker shared with, um, my council teammates on
  5405. 3:56:48 Unknown speaker Saturday and and look forward to a good
  5406. 3:56:49 Unknown speaker discussion.
  5407. 3:56:50 Unknown speaker Very good. Thank you, Council Member
  5408. 3:56:52 Unknown speaker Koffer.
  5409. 3:56:52 Unknown speaker There's a memo from the Sustainability
  5410. 3:56:54 Unknown speaker Advisory Board that's on your desk.
  5411. 3:56:55 Unknown speaker Please read it.
  5412. 3:56:56 Unknown speaker Okay, we'll do. Thank you very much. Um,
  5413. 3:56:59 Unknown speaker so now we are on to city manager
  5414. 3:57:02 Unknown speaker remarks. Nope. City attorney? Nope.
  5415. 3:57:06 Unknown speaker Okay, we have a motion to adjurnn. It is
  5416. 3:57:08 Unknown speaker seconded. All those in favor?
  5417. 3:57:10 Unknown speaker I oppose. Okay, we we have one in
  5418. 3:57:13 Unknown speaker opposition.
  5419. 3:57:16 Unknown speaker Three.
  5420. 3:57:17 Unknown speaker So, okay, we are adjourned.
  5421. 3:57:20 Unknown speaker I didn't know.
  5422. 3:57:48 Unknown speaker [music]
  5423. 3:57:51 Unknown speaker Huh?