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Transcript: City Council Study Session - 27 October 2026

October 27, 2026

Each time links to the meeting video at that moment. Speaker names appear only where the source gives them; otherwise the speaker is shown as Unknown speaker. Open the meeting video.

  1. 0:00:48 Unknown speaker I don't know.
  2. 0:00:52 Unknown speaker Heat. Heat.
  3. 0:01:10 Unknown speaker [music]
  4. 0:01:17 Unknown speaker [music]
  5. 0:01:38 Unknown speaker Heat. Heat.
  6. 0:02:25 Unknown speaker 75.
  7. 0:02:32 Unknown speaker I now would like to call the October
  8. 0:02:34 Unknown speaker 27th, 2026 Longmont City Council study
  9. 0:02:37 Unknown speaker session to order. The live stream of
  10. 0:02:39 Unknown speaker this meeting can be viewed at the city's
  11. 0:02:41 Unknown speaker YouTube channel um or Longmont
  12. 0:02:44 Unknown speaker Pubublicdia.orgwatch
  13. 0:02:47 Unknown speaker or Comcast channels 8 or 880. Can we
  14. 0:02:49 Unknown speaker start with roll call, please?
  15. 0:02:52 Unknown speaker Mayor Hodoga Fairing,
  16. 0:02:53 Unknown speaker present. Council member Chris
  17. 0:02:55 Unknown speaker present.
  18. 0:02:56 Unknown speaker Council member Coloffer
  19. 0:02:57 Unknown speaker present.
  20. 0:02:58 Unknown speaker Council member Marcy
  21. 0:02:59 Unknown speaker here.
  22. 0:02:59 Unknown speaker Mayor Pert McCoy
  23. 0:03:00 Unknown speaker present.
  24. 0:03:01 Unknown speaker Council member Popkin
  25. 0:03:02 Matthew Popkin here.
  26. 0:03:02 Unknown speaker Council member Pto
  27. 0:03:04 Unknown speaker present.
  28. 0:03:04 Unknown speaker Mayor you have a quorum.
  29. 0:03:05 Unknown speaker Great. Let's stand for the pledge.
  30. 0:03:09 Unknown speaker I pledge to the flag of the United
  31. 0:03:13 Unknown speaker States of America and to the republic
  32. 0:03:16 Unknown speaker for which it stands. One nation under
  33. 0:03:19 Unknown speaker God, indivisible, with liberty and
  34. 0:03:22 Unknown speaker justice for all.
  35. 0:03:31 Unknown speaker Anyone wishing to speak at public
  36. 0:03:32 Unknown speaker invited to be heard will need to add
  37. 0:03:34 Unknown speaker their name to the speaker list outside
  38. 0:03:35 Unknown speaker the council chambers. Only those on the
  39. 0:03:38 Unknown speaker list will be invited to speak at public
  40. 0:03:40 Unknown speaker invited to be heard. Each speaker is
  41. 0:03:42 Unknown speaker limited to three minutes. Uh we are on
  42. 0:03:45 Unknown speaker to motions to direct the city manager to
  43. 0:03:47 Unknown speaker add agenda items to future agendas. Does
  44. 0:03:50 Unknown speaker any council member have an item? Seeing
  45. 0:03:53 Unknown speaker none, let's move on.
  46. 0:03:57 Unknown speaker Fast. [laughter]
  47. 0:03:58 Unknown speaker We are now on to public invited to be
  48. 0:04:00 Unknown speaker heard. Um and oh here we go. The first
  49. 0:04:04 Unknown speaker person on the list is Naomi Kurland. And
  50. 0:04:07 Unknown speaker you will have three minutes. Just state
  51. 0:04:10 Unknown speaker your name. come up to the podium.
  52. 0:04:13 Unknown speaker Just go ahead and turn that on.
  53. 0:04:16 Unknown speaker Great. Right there.
  54. 0:04:17 Unknown speaker Thank you. Thanks.
  55. 0:04:20 Unknown speaker My name is Naomi Kurland and I live at
  56. 0:04:22 Unknown speaker 2073 Goldfinch Court in Longmont and I'm
  57. 0:04:26 Unknown speaker here tonight in favor of a composting
  58. 0:04:28 Unknown speaker rate ordinance to equitably align our
  59. 0:04:30 Unknown speaker composting rates with our city's waste
  60. 0:04:32 Unknown speaker diversion goals. By the time of the
  61. 0:04:35 Unknown speaker waste services rate discussion last
  62. 0:04:37 Unknown speaker year, all rates were overdue to
  63. 0:04:39 Unknown speaker increase.
  64. 0:04:41 Unknown speaker But the rate increases that were passed
  65. 0:04:43 Unknown speaker last fall were relatively marginal for
  66. 0:04:45 Unknown speaker solid waste at less than 10% while
  67. 0:04:48 Unknown speaker composting rates rose by 50% this year
  68. 0:04:51 Unknown speaker and will more than d have doubled by
  69. 0:04:53 Unknown speaker 2028 following the current rate plan.
  70. 0:04:56 Unknown speaker That steep rise in costs for composting
  71. 0:04:59 Unknown speaker does not support the city's goal of 75%
  72. 0:05:02 Unknown speaker waste diversion by 2030 and will not
  73. 0:05:04 Unknown speaker help us increase residential composting
  74. 0:05:06 Unknown speaker in Longmont. On behalf of Sustainable
  75. 0:05:09 Unknown speaker Resilient Longmont's zero waste
  76. 0:05:10 Unknown speaker committee, we want to thank you for
  77. 0:05:12 Unknown speaker asking city staff to present options for
  78. 0:05:15 Unknown speaker revisiting the rate structure for waste
  79. 0:05:17 Unknown speaker services to subsidize the currently high
  80. 0:05:19 Unknown speaker composting costs in order to help meet
  81. 0:05:22 Unknown speaker city sustainability goals. Along with
  82. 0:05:25 Unknown speaker the city's sustainability advisory
  83. 0:05:26 Unknown speaker board, we recommend that the council
  84. 0:05:29 Unknown speaker pursue the moderate 40% subsidy option
  85. 0:05:32 Unknown speaker as it balances the urgent environmental
  86. 0:05:35 Unknown speaker need to incentivize waste diversion with
  87. 0:05:37 Unknown speaker the consideration of equitable waste
  88. 0:05:39 Unknown speaker services access for both composting and
  89. 0:05:42 Unknown speaker solid waste. To ensure equity is taken
  90. 0:05:45 Unknown speaker into account, we recommend implementing
  91. 0:05:47 Unknown speaker an extensive educational outreach
  92. 0:05:49 Unknown speaker campaign showing how residents can save
  93. 0:05:52 Unknown speaker money by subscribing to composting and
  94. 0:05:54 Unknown speaker reducing the size of their trash bin.
  95. 0:05:56 Unknown speaker Educational outreach should prioritize
  96. 0:05:58 Unknown speaker lowincome neighborhoods and especially
  97. 0:06:01 Unknown speaker highlight the utilities discounts for
  98. 0:06:03 Unknown speaker qualifying low-income residents through
  99. 0:06:05 Unknown speaker the CARES program. This outreach
  100. 0:06:08 Unknown speaker campaign should focus on culturally
  101. 0:06:09 Unknown speaker aware education with bilingual materials
  102. 0:06:12 Unknown speaker and in-person conversations whenever
  103. 0:06:14 Unknown speaker possible, as well as practical
  104. 0:06:16 Unknown speaker assistance in applying for the CARES
  105. 0:06:18 Unknown speaker program for qualified residents. Council
  106. 0:06:21 Unknown speaker also has the opportunity to strengthen
  107. 0:06:23 Unknown speaker the CARES program utilities rebates to
  108. 0:06:26 Unknown speaker further support equitable access to all
  109. 0:06:28 Unknown speaker our waste services.
  110. 0:06:30 Unknown speaker We subsidize many services for community
  111. 0:06:32 Unknown speaker benefit, housing, schools,
  112. 0:06:34 Unknown speaker transportation, and recycling. Partial
  113. 0:06:38 Unknown speaker subsidy of composting fees through
  114. 0:06:39 Unknown speaker moderate rate increases for the largest
  115. 0:06:42 Unknown speaker solid waste bins helps realign our
  116. 0:06:44 Unknown speaker composting rates with our city's goals.
  117. 0:06:47 Unknown speaker Separately from my comments on the
  118. 0:06:49 Unknown speaker composting rates, I also urge council to
  119. 0:06:51 Unknown speaker swiftly dismiss the proposal to modify
  120. 0:06:53 Unknown speaker city code to allow residential metro
  121. 0:06:55 Unknown speaker districts. The proposed modifications
  122. 0:06:58 Unknown speaker would negatively impact future residents
  123. 0:07:00 Unknown speaker of these districts and pass along
  124. 0:07:02 Unknown speaker developer costs to our community
  125. 0:07:03 Unknown speaker members. Developers should pay their
  126. 0:07:06 Unknown speaker fair share for the privilege of
  127. 0:07:08 Unknown speaker developing in our growing and thriving
  128. 0:07:09 Unknown speaker city. Thank you.
  129. 0:07:12 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  130. 0:07:15 Unknown speaker Next person on the list, um,
  131. 0:07:18 Unknown speaker Zoya, is that
  132. 0:07:26 Unknown speaker Or is it Zoe?
  133. 0:07:28 Unknown speaker Zoe Galloway.
  134. 0:07:29 Unknown speaker Galloway. Thank you.
  135. 0:07:36 Unknown speaker Do you realize that I've been here
  136. 0:07:37 Unknown speaker several times
  137. 0:07:40 Unknown speaker after an AMI smart meter was put on my
  138. 0:07:43 Unknown speaker house and I was displaced from my house?
  139. 0:07:47 Unknown speaker Do you realize that it's been over two
  140. 0:07:50 Unknown speaker years and that I'm still displaced from
  141. 0:07:53 Unknown speaker my house?
  142. 0:07:57 Unknown speaker Did you realize that over the summer I
  143. 0:07:59 Unknown speaker was hospitalized from your AMI smart
  144. 0:08:02 Unknown speaker meter
  145. 0:08:04 Unknown speaker because I have to constantly go in to
  146. 0:08:06 Unknown speaker get new summer clothes and then new
  147. 0:08:09 Unknown speaker winter clothes and then to take care of
  148. 0:08:11 Unknown speaker things.
  149. 0:08:13 Unknown speaker And do you realize that even after I was
  150. 0:08:15 Unknown speaker hospitalized, this city still said
  151. 0:08:19 Unknown speaker that they were going to deny me my
  152. 0:08:21 Unknown speaker reasonable modification for my house?
  153. 0:08:28 Unknown speaker Do you realize that the day before my
  154. 0:08:31 Unknown speaker birthday
  155. 0:08:33 Unknown speaker that I have been residing in a house in
  156. 0:08:36 Unknown speaker this city that still had the old
  157. 0:08:38 Unknown speaker electromechanical meter because it's the
  158. 0:08:41 Unknown speaker only place that I can be without being
  159. 0:08:45 Unknown speaker hospitalized.
  160. 0:08:47 Unknown speaker And that the day before my birthday, the
  161. 0:08:50 Unknown speaker city came out and replaced that.
  162. 0:08:54 Unknown speaker And then within four hours I was already
  163. 0:08:56 Unknown speaker exhibiting symptoms a paralysis on the
  164. 0:08:59 Unknown speaker right side of my body or I lose
  165. 0:09:02 Unknown speaker mobility.
  166. 0:09:04 Unknown speaker I I develop numbness
  167. 0:09:09 Unknown speaker and yet the city is still refusing
  168. 0:09:11 Unknown speaker disability modification.
  169. 0:09:15 Unknown speaker Do you think it's appropriate for the
  170. 0:09:17 Unknown speaker director of a utility company to be
  171. 0:09:19 Unknown speaker making medical determinations
  172. 0:09:22 Unknown speaker that someone being hospitalized is not a
  173. 0:09:24 Unknown speaker medical situation?
  174. 0:09:33 Unknown speaker Do you realize that your AMI and your
  175. 0:09:35 Unknown speaker opt out option A and option B do not
  176. 0:09:39 Unknown speaker work for people like me and that I need
  177. 0:09:42 Unknown speaker an option C?
  178. 0:09:45 Unknown speaker Did you see me when I brought my own
  179. 0:09:47 Unknown speaker electromechanical meter to you a year
  180. 0:09:50 Unknown speaker ago and I said this can get on my house
  181. 0:09:52 Unknown speaker and it could have evaded me at going to
  182. 0:09:54 Unknown speaker the emergency room and me being in this
  183. 0:09:57 Unknown speaker situation for 2 years and that because
  184. 0:09:59 Unknown speaker the city just took off eight
  185. 0:10:01 Unknown speaker electromechanical meters. One of those
  186. 0:10:03 Unknown speaker can go onto my house.
  187. 0:10:07 Unknown speaker So will you please remain silent and do
  188. 0:10:10 Unknown speaker nothing like you did a year ago?
  189. 0:10:15 Unknown speaker If you want this situation to continue,
  190. 0:10:21 Unknown speaker don't you realize that any one of you
  191. 0:10:23 Unknown speaker has the ability to say stand up right
  192. 0:10:25 Unknown speaker now and say, get this woman what she
  193. 0:10:28 Unknown speaker needs so she can end this.
  194. 0:10:33 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  195. 0:10:38 Unknown speaker Is that silence I hear?
  196. 0:10:42 Unknown speaker Pauline Christensen.
  197. 0:10:51 Unknown speaker Paulie Christensen, 410 Judson Street,
  198. 0:10:54 Unknown speaker Longmont.
  199. 0:10:56 Unknown speaker Mayor and beloved council members,
  200. 0:11:01 Unknown speaker developers, and the real estate industry
  201. 0:11:04 Unknown speaker have been unrelenting in demanding that
  202. 0:11:06 Unknown speaker Longmont
  203. 0:11:08 Unknown speaker have metro residential metro districts.
  204. 0:11:11 Unknown speaker Please do have a reasoned discussion on
  205. 0:11:13 Unknown speaker this topic tonight, but please do
  206. 0:11:15 Unknown speaker realize and reiterate that this
  207. 0:11:17 Unknown speaker so-called staffinitiated item is
  208. 0:11:20 Unknown speaker developers attempting to bully staff and
  209. 0:11:22 Unknown speaker council to do an end run around
  210. 0:11:24 Unknown speaker Longmont's ban on residential metro
  211. 0:11:26 Unknown speaker districts. Do we want our town run by
  212. 0:11:29 Unknown speaker private companies that by virtue of a
  213. 0:11:31 Unknown speaker retro district are legally a third
  214. 0:11:33 Unknown speaker branch of state government with the
  215. 0:11:35 Unknown speaker power to be immune from lawsuits
  216. 0:11:38 Unknown speaker declared eminent declare eminent domains
  217. 0:11:41 Unknown speaker raise their own taxes and fees and have
  218. 0:11:43 Unknown speaker no accountability to anyone. Developers
  219. 0:11:46 Unknown speaker who purchase land often formerly
  220. 0:11:48 Unknown speaker agricultural zoned. Then they want the
  221. 0:11:51 Unknown speaker city to annex it. Then they want the
  222. 0:11:53 Unknown speaker city to reszone it to mixed use. Then
  223. 0:11:55 Unknown speaker they want the city to pay for
  224. 0:11:57 Unknown speaker environmental mitigation. Then they want
  225. 0:11:59 Unknown speaker the city to change its laws to make it a
  226. 0:12:01 Unknown speaker residential metro district which is
  227. 0:12:03 Unknown speaker currently currently illegal. They say
  228. 0:12:06 Unknown speaker this would only be used for projects of
  229. 0:12:08 Unknown speaker extraordinary infrastructure and
  230. 0:12:10 Unknown speaker remediation costs or projects of
  231. 0:12:12 Unknown speaker extraordinary value to the city.
  232. 0:12:14 Unknown speaker Virtually every project brought by a
  233. 0:12:17 Unknown speaker developer before the city is presented
  234. 0:12:19 Unknown speaker as being of extraordinary value. And as
  235. 0:12:22 Unknown speaker for each development, we are told that
  236. 0:12:24 Unknown speaker the project is not financially feasible
  237. 0:12:27 Unknown speaker without all these special exceptions and
  238. 0:12:29 Unknown speaker the metro financing. Why did these
  239. 0:12:31 Unknown speaker developers buy the land in the first
  240. 0:12:33 Unknown speaker place if they claim they cannot develop
  241. 0:12:35 Unknown speaker it as they want to without very special
  242. 0:12:37 Unknown speaker treatment by the residents of Longmont?
  243. 0:12:39 Unknown speaker It is not the city's responsibility to
  244. 0:12:42 Unknown speaker make their bad investments work.
  245. 0:12:44 Unknown speaker Developers seek to lessen or eliminate
  246. 0:12:46 Unknown speaker the 50% rule for commercial metro
  247. 0:12:49 Unknown speaker districts, which are still allowed. This
  248. 0:12:51 Unknown speaker would of course eliminate any difference
  249. 0:12:53 Unknown speaker between commercial and residential metro
  250. 0:12:55 Unknown speaker districts and open the floodgates.
  251. 0:12:58 Unknown speaker Please do not allow this discussion to
  252. 0:13:00 Unknown speaker go forward in any form be beyond
  253. 0:13:02 Unknown speaker tonight's discussion. Just say no to
  254. 0:13:05 Unknown speaker residential m metro districts again.
  255. 0:13:10 Unknown speaker Thank you. Uh, Strider Benston
  256. 0:13:28 Unknown speaker carried my cane on my bicycle.
  257. 0:13:32 Unknown speaker Yeah. Uh,
  258. 0:13:36 Unknown speaker all right. Uh, Strider Benston, 951
  259. 0:13:40 Unknown speaker 17th Avenue. Um, couple of things. One,
  260. 0:13:45 Unknown speaker on the uh uh corruption. First time
  261. 0:13:50 Unknown speaker ever, corruption was the number one
  262. 0:13:53 Unknown speaker issue on the the whole population that
  263. 0:13:57 Unknown speaker was surveyed about what are the problems
  264. 0:14:00 Unknown speaker in dealing with the election and uh
  265. 0:14:04 Unknown speaker what's going on in the world today. Um,
  266. 0:14:08 Unknown speaker I uh just today Cassidy Hutchinson was
  267. 0:14:14 Unknown speaker brought up on trial or to to go to trial
  268. 0:14:18 Unknown speaker and uh the grand jury voted no true
  269. 0:14:22 Unknown speaker bill. Uh that's only happened about six
  270. 0:14:26 Unknown speaker times in the last few decades, like out
  271. 0:14:29 Unknown speaker of 155,000 cases, but under Trump it's
  272. 0:14:34 Unknown speaker happened 18 times. um because uh they
  273. 0:14:39 Unknown speaker don't have real cases. They just attack
  274. 0:14:42 Unknown speaker people. Um as far as corruption, let me
  275. 0:14:46 Unknown speaker give you one little story. Uh the uh um
  276. 0:14:51 Unknown speaker James Watt was Secretary of the Interior
  277. 0:14:55 Unknown speaker uh might have uh under one of the Bushes
  278. 0:14:59 Unknown speaker and he got prosecuted.
  279. 0:15:02 Unknown speaker Uh he was he was selling public land to
  280. 0:15:06 Unknown speaker the to the miners to mine on public
  281. 0:15:09 Unknown speaker land. And he had 19 felonies and two
  282. 0:15:14 Unknown speaker misdemeanors.
  283. 0:15:16 Unknown speaker And corruption was both sides back then
  284. 0:15:20 Unknown speaker semiequal.
  285. 0:15:22 Unknown speaker But what they did is he pleaded no
  286. 0:15:26 Unknown speaker contender for one paid a $5,000 fine.
  287. 0:15:30 Unknown speaker All of the 19 felonies were dropped. Now
  288. 0:15:34 Unknown speaker we have corruption a thousand to a
  289. 0:15:36 Unknown speaker million times worse than that. Will we
  290. 0:15:40 Unknown speaker retain our uh will we retain our
  291. 0:15:44 Unknown speaker democracy? Uh will maybe partly find out
  292. 0:15:48 Unknown speaker next week. Um, I'm sure that if if Trump
  293. 0:15:53 Unknown speaker uh wins the Senate again, he'll probably
  294. 0:15:58 Unknown speaker pass a rule that you cannot be on a
  295. 0:16:03 Unknown speaker grand jury jury unless you swear
  296. 0:16:06 Unknown speaker personal loyalty to Trump. His only
  297. 0:16:10 Unknown speaker model is Adolf Hitler. He worships all
  298. 0:16:13 Unknown speaker dictators, even left-wingers, as long as
  299. 0:16:16 Unknown speaker they're dictators. But his model his
  300. 0:16:19 Unknown speaker whole life is Adolf Hitler. The
  301. 0:16:22 Unknown speaker concentration camps are being built
  302. 0:16:24 Unknown speaker right now. One of them is supposed to go
  303. 0:16:26 Unknown speaker up in Hudson. Um and they wanted what
  304. 0:16:30 Unknown speaker 1800 prisoners there anyway. Uh stay
  305. 0:16:34 Unknown speaker awake. Thank you.
  306. 0:16:36 Unknown speaker Thank you Sher Malloy.
  307. 0:16:50 Unknown speaker Good evening. Sherry Malloy Longmont.
  308. 0:16:52 Unknown speaker Tonight you'll be discussing special
  309. 0:16:54 Unknown speaker metro districts, a policy that was
  310. 0:16:55 Unknown speaker scrapped for good reasons in 2019.
  311. 0:16:58 Unknown speaker Longmont continues to have undeniably
  312. 0:17:00 Unknown speaker fast growing development. We don't need
  313. 0:17:02 Unknown speaker to be luring luring developers with
  314. 0:17:04 Unknown speaker incentives and perks. The justification
  315. 0:17:07 Unknown speaker that it helps developers build in
  316. 0:17:09 Unknown speaker challenging areas is slanted in favor of
  317. 0:17:11 Unknown speaker profit over people and planet. After an
  318. 0:17:14 Unknown speaker eight-month investigation in 2019, the
  319. 0:17:16 Unknown speaker Denver Post ran a series of articles
  320. 0:17:18 Unknown speaker exposing some of the many problems with
  321. 0:17:20 Unknown speaker special metro districts. David Mcgoya, a
  322. 0:17:22 Unknown speaker 20-year veteran reporter, followed the
  323. 0:17:24 Unknown speaker money. The article outlined how a small
  324. 0:17:27 Unknown speaker group of individuals, the developer,
  325. 0:17:29 Unknown speaker builder, and their associates create
  326. 0:17:30 Unknown speaker debt, elevate taxes, and approve charges
  327. 0:17:33 Unknown speaker that homeowners muster, often
  328. 0:17:36 Unknown speaker indefinitely.
  329. 0:17:37 Unknown speaker Metro districts are their own form of
  330. 0:17:40 Unknown speaker government with little oversight by city
  331. 0:17:42 Unknown speaker governments and no liability. Homeowners
  332. 0:17:44 Unknown speaker have a very tough time figuring out what
  333. 0:17:46 Unknown speaker sort of taxes they face or even how to
  334. 0:17:49 Unknown speaker have a voice in the district that
  335. 0:17:50 Unknown speaker governs them. RTD is a special metro
  336. 0:17:53 Unknown speaker district. We all know how well that has
  337. 0:17:55 Unknown speaker worked out for us.
  338. 0:17:57 Unknown speaker Changing sub changing subjects. Thank
  339. 0:17:59 Unknown speaker you for directing staff to explore
  340. 0:18:01 Unknown speaker options to make composting more
  341. 0:18:03 Unknown speaker affordable and widen the price between
  342. 0:18:05 Unknown speaker trash bin sizes. Longmont's goal is to
  343. 0:18:09 Unknown speaker divert 75% of residential waste by 2030.
  344. 0:18:12 Unknown speaker We're currently at 39%. Just halfway
  345. 0:18:15 Unknown speaker with 3 years left. If you're serious
  346. 0:18:17 Unknown speaker about our sustainability goals, which I
  347. 0:18:19 Unknown speaker believe you are, moving forward with
  348. 0:18:21 Unknown speaker appropriate subsidies to incentivize
  349. 0:18:23 Unknown speaker more compost participation makes sense.
  350. 0:18:26 Unknown speaker Organics make up 40% of all trash going
  351. 0:18:29 Unknown speaker to the landfill. Incentivizing
  352. 0:18:31 Unknown speaker participation through a 60% subsidy is
  353. 0:18:34 Unknown speaker responsible and logical policy. Charging
  354. 0:18:37 Unknown speaker more for trash, like other utilities, is
  355. 0:18:39 Unknown speaker fair and gives people incentives and
  356. 0:18:41 Unknown speaker control over their bills. The argument
  357. 0:18:43 Unknown speaker that big families will feel the pinch
  358. 0:18:46 Unknown speaker might be real, just like big families
  359. 0:18:48 Unknown speaker feel the pinch for groceries, school
  360. 0:18:50 Unknown speaker supplies, and clothing. Like choosing
  361. 0:18:52 Unknown speaker whether to have kids, how many, which
  362. 0:18:54 Unknown speaker schools, and so on. families make
  363. 0:18:56 Unknown speaker choices regarding habits of consumption
  364. 0:18:59 Unknown speaker and the resulting waste.
  365. 0:19:02 Unknown speaker We've just had the hottest and dest
  366. 0:19:03 Unknown speaker summer on record. Organics in the
  367. 0:19:05 Unknown speaker landfill are buried without oxygen and
  368. 0:19:07 Unknown speaker therefore produce methane, which is 85
  369. 0:19:09 Unknown speaker times more potent at warming the
  370. 0:19:11 Unknown speaker atmosphere than carbon dioxide. Properly
  371. 0:19:14 Unknown speaker processing organics organics combats
  372. 0:19:16 Unknown speaker climate change, reduces landfill waste,
  373. 0:19:19 Unknown speaker sequesters carbon, improves soil health,
  374. 0:19:21 Unknown speaker and conserves water. One pound of
  375. 0:19:24 Unknown speaker processed compost holds 12 times the
  376. 0:19:26 Unknown speaker water in our so soils. People want to do
  377. 0:19:29 Unknown speaker the right thing. In this case, that
  378. 0:19:30 Unknown speaker means producing less trash and
  379. 0:19:32 Unknown speaker considering compost services. Changing
  380. 0:19:34 Unknown speaker habits that reduce harms feel good.
  381. 0:19:38 Unknown speaker Making making doing so more affordable
  382. 0:19:41 Unknown speaker will help. My motto these days is tend
  383. 0:19:43 Unknown speaker to the garden within my reach. I'm
  384. 0:19:46 Unknown speaker asking you to tend to Longmont's garden
  385. 0:19:47 Unknown speaker by doing the brave thing and moving
  386. 0:19:49 Unknown speaker forward with. Thank you. Thank you, Kurt
  387. 0:19:54 Unknown speaker Slow.
  388. 0:20:01 Unknown speaker Good evening, council. Kirk Slow.
  389. 0:20:04 Unknown speaker I'd like to put in a second request for
  390. 0:20:08 Unknown speaker quarterly forums. Since I can ask for it
  391. 0:20:11 Unknown speaker to be seconded on this side of the uh
  392. 0:20:13 Unknown speaker podium, [laughter]
  393. 0:20:15 Unknown speaker I'd like it to get on the agenda at some
  394. 0:20:18 Unknown speaker point in the near future so we can have
  395. 0:20:21 Unknown speaker proper discussions about things like
  396. 0:20:23 Unknown speaker metro districts that a lot of people are
  397. 0:20:25 Unknown speaker rightly
  398. 0:20:27 Unknown speaker upset about.
  399. 0:20:29 Unknown speaker Now, does anyone who's in favor of a
  400. 0:20:33 Unknown speaker special metro district, would they want
  401. 0:20:35 Unknown speaker to move there and be saddled with the
  402. 0:20:37 Unknown speaker debt?
  403. 0:20:40 Unknown speaker Do unto others you have them do unto
  404. 0:20:43 Unknown speaker you.
  405. 0:20:44 Unknown speaker I'm going to leave it there. If you
  406. 0:20:48 Unknown speaker don't want it, why would you want to put
  407. 0:20:51 Unknown speaker it on people who are going to be
  408. 0:20:53 Unknown speaker residents of this city in the future?
  409. 0:20:58 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  410. 0:21:00 Unknown speaker ABSD Delo.
  411. 0:21:09 Unknown speaker Good evening, Mayor. Good evening,
  412. 0:21:10 Unknown speaker council. I'm AB, short for ABSD. I use
  413. 0:21:14 Unknown speaker they them pronouns, and I live here in
  414. 0:21:16 Unknown speaker Longmont. I'm here tonight to talk about
  415. 0:21:18 Unknown speaker the potential compost subsidy in favor
  416. 0:21:22 Unknown speaker of the 40% moderate subsidy that is
  417. 0:21:25 Unknown speaker being looked at. I believe that council
  418. 0:21:30 Unknown speaker and the priorities that we have is
  419. 0:21:32 Unknown speaker education um being able to prioritize
  420. 0:21:35 Unknown speaker what is already in our focus. We are
  421. 0:21:39 Unknown speaker already count words. Let me take a
  422. 0:21:41 Unknown speaker breath. [laughter]
  423. 0:21:44 Unknown speaker Already we are looking at how we are
  424. 0:21:47 Unknown speaker partnered with Ecoycle to promote more
  425. 0:21:50 Unknown speaker education around compost and recycling.
  426. 0:21:53 Unknown speaker This year I had the privilege and honor
  427. 0:21:54 Unknown speaker of being able to schedule and take
  428. 0:21:57 Unknown speaker people to A1 Organics and to the
  429. 0:22:00 Unknown speaker landfill. Being able to see this
  430. 0:22:02 Unknown speaker firsthand of how our compost is actually
  431. 0:22:05 Unknown speaker processed as well as our trash was
  432. 0:22:07 Unknown speaker really eye opening. Both go back into
  433. 0:22:10 Unknown speaker the earth. With compost, it's producing
  434. 0:22:13 Unknown speaker a very usable, regenerative dirt and
  435. 0:22:15 Unknown speaker soil that not only helps us now, but is
  436. 0:22:18 Unknown speaker also future focused. with our landfill.
  437. 0:22:21 Unknown speaker It is being tons and tons and tons of
  438. 0:22:24 Unknown speaker waste being driven over by bulldozers
  439. 0:22:26 Unknown speaker and then just piled on with dirt that is
  440. 0:22:29 Unknown speaker being put back into the earth and
  441. 0:22:31 Unknown speaker creating these huge trash mounds that
  442. 0:22:34 Unknown speaker over 30 years of time we're still not
  443. 0:22:37 Unknown speaker seeing the full
  444. 0:22:39 Unknown speaker settling from this trash. If we don't
  445. 0:22:42 Unknown speaker prioritize composting now, we're one,
  446. 0:22:45 Unknown speaker filling up our landfills and two, being
  447. 0:22:48 Unknown speaker able to teach people the importance of
  448. 0:22:50 Unknown speaker why we compost is part of the reason
  449. 0:22:53 Unknown speaker that the subsidy matters. This subsidy
  450. 0:22:57 Unknown speaker with in partnership with the ecoycle
  451. 0:23:00 Unknown speaker contract that is already in play for the
  452. 0:23:02 Unknown speaker next two years of being able to educate
  453. 0:23:04 Unknown speaker on both sides and encouraging people
  454. 0:23:08 Unknown speaker where money matters of seeing that if
  455. 0:23:10 Unknown speaker you switch to compost that you will save
  456. 0:23:13 Unknown speaker money in the long run when it comes to
  457. 0:23:15 Unknown speaker your trash bill. Being able to show
  458. 0:23:17 Unknown speaker people and educate people of why this
  459. 0:23:20 Unknown speaker future focused mentality is important is
  460. 0:23:23 Unknown speaker part of this 2030 diversion rate of
  461. 0:23:26 Unknown speaker reaching 75% in just a couple of years.
  462. 0:23:30 Unknown speaker If we miss the opportunity now, then
  463. 0:23:32 Unknown speaker it's going to flash in front of our
  464. 0:23:34 Unknown speaker eyes. This council is future focused and
  465. 0:23:36 Unknown speaker that's one thing that I appreciate and I
  466. 0:23:38 Unknown speaker know a lot of other Longmont residents
  467. 0:23:40 Unknown speaker do appreciate. And so continue to point
  468. 0:23:42 Unknown speaker your arrows towards the future which
  469. 0:23:45 Unknown speaker means to compost to subsidize compost
  470. 0:23:47 Unknown speaker now. Thank you.
  471. 0:23:49 Unknown speaker Thank you uh Cindy Neil.
  472. 0:24:04 Unknown speaker Good evening.
  473. 0:24:05 Unknown speaker I'm Cindy Neil Long.
  474. 0:24:09 Unknown speaker Um, I'm not here to talk about the
  475. 0:24:11 Unknown speaker so-called smart AMI meters.
  476. 0:24:14 Unknown speaker Ma'am, can you bring the microphone
  477. 0:24:15 Unknown speaker closer so we can hear you? Great. Thank
  478. 0:24:17 Unknown speaker you.
  479. 0:24:19 Unknown speaker I said I'm not here to talk about the
  480. 0:24:21 Unknown speaker socalled smart AMI meters the city is
  481. 0:24:24 Unknown speaker forcing people to put in. I am here to
  482. 0:24:27 Unknown speaker address how the city forced people to
  483. 0:24:30 Unknown speaker put in, the ones that didn't have to do
  484. 0:24:32 Unknown speaker it the first round, the second round on
  485. 0:24:34 Unknown speaker October 21st. Um, I was at my mom's. I
  486. 0:24:38 Unknown speaker work over there taking care of my
  487. 0:24:39 Unknown speaker brother who's got a disabling disability
  488. 0:24:42 Unknown speaker and we didn't have to do it the first
  489. 0:24:44 Unknown speaker round. We were waiting to see if the
  490. 0:24:45 Unknown speaker city was going to do an amendment or
  491. 0:24:48 Unknown speaker something to see if some of us could
  492. 0:24:50 Unknown speaker keep analog meters. Anyways, um about
  493. 0:24:54 Unknown speaker 8:30 I start hearing something outside
  494. 0:24:57 Unknown speaker and I go and I look and there's a police
  495. 0:24:59 Unknown speaker officer, a city truck, some guy masked
  496. 0:25:02 Unknown speaker up and a woman. The woman's got a flyer
  497. 0:25:05 Unknown speaker in there and I said, "What are you
  498. 0:25:06 Unknown speaker doing?" and starts walking towards me.
  499. 0:25:08 Unknown speaker We're changing your meter. I said,
  500. 0:25:10 Unknown speaker 'Don't do that. I have a brother who's
  501. 0:25:12 Unknown speaker severely disabled and this is going to
  502. 0:25:13 Unknown speaker mess him up. Nope. Sorry. We're changing
  503. 0:25:15 Unknown speaker your meter. I said, please don't do
  504. 0:25:17 Unknown speaker that. My sister is working with the
  505. 0:25:19 Unknown speaker city. Please don't do this. We're
  506. 0:25:21 Unknown speaker changing your meter.
  507. 0:25:24 Unknown speaker I'm going to go get my mom. Just wait. I
  508. 0:25:26 Unknown speaker ran back in the house. By the time I got
  509. 0:25:28 Unknown speaker back outside, they were gone. Done.
  510. 0:25:31 Unknown speaker Gone. She didn't leave the little flyer
  511. 0:25:33 Unknown speaker that Leo Chinchillis called me back
  512. 0:25:35 Unknown speaker later and said that they were supposed
  513. 0:25:37 Unknown speaker to leave on everybody's doors that
  514. 0:25:41 Unknown speaker didn't answer their door. So, the way it
  515. 0:25:43 Unknown speaker was supposed to go, the way he explained
  516. 0:25:45 Unknown speaker it to me was somebody in the city made
  517. 0:25:48 Unknown speaker the decision that they were going to go
  518. 0:25:49 Unknown speaker out and change the rest of the people's
  519. 0:25:51 Unknown speaker smart meters because supposedly the city
  520. 0:25:54 Unknown speaker can't finish upgrading their meters
  521. 0:25:56 Unknown speaker until all of ours got done. Bull crap, I
  522. 0:25:59 Unknown speaker call. But anyway, um, so they had to go
  523. 0:26:02 Unknown speaker out and change all these meters. Why
  524. 0:26:03 Unknown speaker didn't y'all send notices or letters or
  525. 0:26:06 Unknown speaker make phone calls, any of that, to these
  526. 0:26:09 Unknown speaker people first? Why didn't somebody come
  527. 0:26:11 Unknown speaker and knock on our door before they
  528. 0:26:14 Unknown speaker started messing with her meter first?
  529. 0:26:16 Unknown speaker Why did they bring a police officer out
  530. 0:26:19 Unknown speaker there to to intimidate us so we wouldn't
  531. 0:26:23 Unknown speaker go out there and try to stop them? and
  532. 0:26:26 Unknown speaker Susie, I left a message for you that
  533. 0:26:29 Unknown speaker very morning and said, "Please call us
  534. 0:26:31 Unknown speaker back. I need to know what's going on
  535. 0:26:33 Unknown speaker with this. Can you do anything about
  536. 0:26:35 Unknown speaker this? Nobody's heard anything from you."
  537. 0:26:37 Unknown speaker So, in my opinion, we've got a whole
  538. 0:26:40 Unknown speaker bunch of people running around in the
  539. 0:26:41 Unknown speaker city making decisions for people that
  540. 0:26:45 Unknown speaker have handicaps and they don't give a
  541. 0:26:47 Unknown speaker crap and and nobody everybody's pointing
  542. 0:26:50 Unknown speaker the finger at everybody else. And it's
  543. 0:26:53 Unknown speaker just it's a whole bunch of crap. You
  544. 0:26:55 Unknown speaker know, we've got people with severe
  545. 0:26:58 Unknown speaker disabilities that it's been proven these
  546. 0:27:01 Unknown speaker AMI meters mess them up more.
  547. 0:27:05 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  548. 0:27:06 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  549. 0:27:07 Unknown speaker Jim Harmon.
  550. 0:27:20 Unknown speaker Good evening, mayor, members of council.
  551. 0:27:22 Unknown speaker I'm Jim Harmon. I'm the managing partner
  552. 0:27:24 Unknown speaker of Maple Leaf Investments and a partner
  553. 0:27:27 Unknown speaker in Puma 66 LLC. We are the owners of the
  554. 0:27:31 Unknown speaker Boems properties. Um, we appreciate
  555. 0:27:35 Unknown speaker staff's efforts to bring this
  556. 0:27:37 Unknown speaker controversial subject up with council.
  557. 0:27:42 Unknown speaker You know, this is not your usual
  558. 0:27:45 Unknown speaker development project. Um, we I think you
  559. 0:27:49 Unknown speaker have the two memos that we've worked
  560. 0:27:50 Unknown speaker with staff on over the last few months,
  561. 0:27:52 Unknown speaker so I'll be brief about it, but this is a
  562. 0:27:55 Unknown speaker project that has significant
  563. 0:27:57 Unknown speaker off-site community benefits that really
  564. 0:28:00 Unknown speaker have nothing to do with us.
  565. 0:28:02 Unknown speaker Um
  566. 0:28:04 Unknown speaker the project will build the two detention
  567. 0:28:07 Unknown speaker two of the three detention ponds to
  568. 0:28:09 Unknown speaker handle the significant
  569. 0:28:12 Unknown speaker drainage problem south of our property
  570. 0:28:14 Unknown speaker which I think now is the most
  571. 0:28:16 Unknown speaker significant drainage problem left in the
  572. 0:28:19 Unknown speaker city. Um it's going to address traffic
  573. 0:28:23 Unknown speaker on Highway 66 getting the badly needed
  574. 0:28:25 Unknown speaker signal in at Francis Street. It builds
  575. 0:28:29 Unknown speaker the collector connections that'll finish
  576. 0:28:31 Unknown speaker the development over to 95th. There's a
  577. 0:28:34 Unknown speaker school site, a park site. There's over a
  578. 0:28:37 Unknown speaker 100 attainable units that are going to
  579. 0:28:38 Unknown speaker be built on the property. Primary
  580. 0:28:40 Unknown speaker greenway.
  581. 0:28:43 Unknown speaker Most of this has to happen before the
  582. 0:28:44 Unknown speaker first building permit is pulled for
  583. 0:28:46 Unknown speaker commercial or residential. There's
  584. 0:28:48 Unknown speaker significant commercial development here.
  585. 0:28:50 Unknown speaker When we first entitled the first 100
  586. 0:28:53 Unknown speaker acres, it was going to be a largely
  587. 0:28:54 Unknown speaker commercial project. And had that come to
  588. 0:28:58 Unknown speaker fruition, we wouldn't be standing here
  589. 0:28:59 Unknown speaker this evening. Simple fact of the matter
  590. 0:29:02 Unknown speaker is that the world has changed. There's,
  591. 0:29:05 Unknown speaker you know, significant
  592. 0:29:08 Unknown speaker commercial retail projects just don't
  593. 0:29:10 Unknown speaker exist as they used to. The benefits of
  594. 0:29:13 Unknown speaker this project are many. Um, but the
  595. 0:29:16 Unknown speaker traditional financing that we used to
  596. 0:29:18 Unknown speaker use, that we would have used 20 years
  597. 0:29:20 Unknown speaker ago when we annexed the first partial,
  598. 0:29:22 Unknown speaker just don't exist anymore. So, I know
  599. 0:29:24 Unknown speaker this is controversial, but it deserves
  600. 0:29:26 Unknown speaker it deserves a good public hearing and
  601. 0:29:31 Unknown speaker a discussion on the merits, not just on
  602. 0:29:34 Unknown speaker the emotions.
  603. 0:29:36 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  604. 0:29:38 Unknown speaker Thank you, uh, Lawrence
  605. 0:29:41 Unknown speaker Jacobson.
  606. 0:29:54 Unknown speaker Good evening, mayor, council members. My
  607. 0:29:56 Unknown speaker name is Lawrence Jacobson, 8350 East
  608. 0:30:00 Unknown speaker Crescent Parkway. Uh I am the one of the
  609. 0:30:03 Unknown speaker managing partners of the Bo Prey Farm
  610. 0:30:05 Unknown speaker LLC. Um I've been uh before council
  611. 0:30:09 Unknown speaker before, not for many years. Um, but we
  612. 0:30:12 Unknown speaker annexed and zoned this property in 2003.
  613. 0:30:16 Unknown speaker And since that time, we have met with
  614. 0:30:19 Unknown speaker countless prospective buyers,
  615. 0:30:22 Unknown speaker developers, users on the property. Um,
  616. 0:30:26 Unknown speaker many of them have gone forward to due
  617. 0:30:28 Unknown speaker diligence and contract and then in
  618. 0:30:31 Unknown speaker underwriting the potential development
  619. 0:30:34 Unknown speaker have gotten to the point where it just
  620. 0:30:35 Unknown speaker didn't make sense. This is a project
  621. 0:30:38 Unknown speaker with all the outstanding infrastructure
  622. 0:30:40 Unknown speaker that's required, drainage, roadways,
  623. 0:30:44 Unknown speaker parks, school site, etc. This is a
  624. 0:30:47 Unknown speaker project that is
  625. 0:30:50 Unknown speaker not only eligible but is crying for some
  626. 0:30:54 Unknown speaker form of financing that's efficient and
  627. 0:30:57 Unknown speaker that allows the infrastructure costs to
  628. 0:30:59 Unknown speaker be advertised over a long period of time
  629. 0:31:02 Unknown speaker and uh could get a below market interest
  630. 0:31:05 Unknown speaker rate because it's double tax-free such
  631. 0:31:08 Unknown speaker as a metro district. So I would ask I
  632. 0:31:11 Unknown speaker know it's controversial. I know that
  633. 0:31:12 Unknown speaker there are a lot of people who are
  634. 0:31:14 Unknown speaker against metro districts. I would point
  635. 0:31:17 Unknown speaker out that if you are an infill project,
  636. 0:31:20 Unknown speaker if all the roads and water lines, sewer
  637. 0:31:23 Unknown speaker lines, drainage, all that has already
  638. 0:31:26 Unknown speaker been installed, then a metro district
  639. 0:31:28 Unknown speaker probably isn't appropriate for that
  640. 0:31:30 Unknown speaker property. Our property at Boem
  641. 0:31:34 Unknown speaker has is basically a green field site. Um
  642. 0:31:38 Unknown speaker the sugar mill is basically a brownfield
  643. 0:31:40 Unknown speaker site. These are sites that need this
  644. 0:31:43 Unknown speaker type of financing in order to open the
  645. 0:31:47 Unknown speaker project and bring it forward so that it
  646. 0:31:49 Unknown speaker can start developing and selling over a
  647. 0:31:52 Unknown speaker number of years. And by number of years,
  648. 0:31:54 Unknown speaker I think in this case, we're talking 10
  649. 0:31:56 Unknown speaker to 15 years once it starts before it can
  650. 0:32:00 Unknown speaker be fully developed.
  651. 0:32:02 Unknown speaker So again, I would ask that as we move
  652. 0:32:05 Unknown speaker forward on this topic, um I think the
  653. 0:32:08 Unknown speaker council has to make some policy
  654. 0:32:10 Unknown speaker decisions. I think one of the policy
  655. 0:32:12 Unknown speaker decisions is whether it wants to see the
  656. 0:32:14 Unknown speaker boat prey farm properties develop. And
  657. 0:32:16 Unknown speaker if it does, then we're going to have to
  658. 0:32:18 Unknown speaker look at Metro District financing as a
  659. 0:32:21 Unknown speaker means to
  660. 0:32:23 Unknown speaker provide financing for all this
  661. 0:32:25 Unknown speaker infrastructure we need and then to move
  662. 0:32:27 Unknown speaker forward uh creating a new neighborhood
  663. 0:32:29 Unknown speaker for Longmont. Thank you very much.
  664. 0:32:34 Unknown speaker Thank you, Lance Whitaker.
  665. 0:32:52 Unknown speaker Bing.
  666. 0:32:55 Unknown speaker Lance Whitaker, 1750 Collier Street,
  667. 0:32:57 Unknown speaker Longmont, resident for 40
  668. 0:33:00 Unknown speaker 48 years now. Damn. All right, before I
  669. 0:33:04 Unknown speaker get to the good stuff, I have to mention
  670. 0:33:08 Unknown speaker October 30th is coming up and a lot of
  671. 0:33:11 Unknown speaker us on the north side have our leaf
  672. 0:33:13 Unknown speaker collection due on the 30th
  673. 0:33:17 Unknown speaker and um none of the leaves have fallen
  674. 0:33:20 Unknown speaker yet. So, can we get something done about
  675. 0:33:23 Unknown speaker that? So, maybe an extension or a little
  676. 0:33:27 Unknown speaker leeway would be nice. All right, back to
  677. 0:33:30 Unknown speaker the good stuff. Today is National Navy
  678. 0:33:33 Unknown speaker Day. It's also a National American Beer
  679. 0:33:36 Unknown speaker Day. It's also Civics's Day, which is
  680. 0:33:39 Unknown speaker probably the reason why it's also
  681. 0:33:41 Unknown speaker Theodore Roosevelt's birthday and John
  682. 0:33:43 Unknown speaker Gotti's birthday. [clears throat]
  683. 0:33:46 Unknown speaker So, there you go. Have a nice day.
  684. 0:33:49 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  685. 0:33:51 Unknown speaker David Hodes.
  686. 0:34:00 Unknown speaker David Hodes, I'd like to thank mayor and
  687. 0:34:03 Unknown speaker council as I start here for the access
  688. 0:34:06 Unknown speaker that you've given to the community. Um
  689. 0:34:10 Unknown speaker we attended the coffee with council uh
  690. 0:34:12 Unknown speaker almost a week ago and um also um Jake's
  691. 0:34:18 Unknown speaker c or office hours and so um I just
  692. 0:34:21 Unknown speaker encourage you to keep doing that because
  693. 0:34:23 Unknown speaker I think it sets a a lot amount of
  694. 0:34:25 Unknown speaker goodwill towards the community. So thank
  695. 0:34:27 Unknown speaker you. Um I wanted to highlight a case
  696. 0:34:30 Unknown speaker that was decided October 1st. US
  697. 0:34:33 Unknown speaker District Judge Sarah E. Hill ruled in
  698. 0:34:35 Unknown speaker the case of United States versus Melissa
  699. 0:34:38 Unknown speaker Susan Kyle that a Tulsa County deputy
  700. 0:34:41 Unknown speaker warrantless search of automated license
  701. 0:34:43 Unknown speaker plate readers systems including flock
  702. 0:34:46 Unknown speaker violated the fourth amendment. As a
  703. 0:34:48 Unknown speaker result, the judge suppressed the
  704. 0:34:49 Unknown speaker evidence that followed. The case is a
  705. 0:34:52 Unknown speaker federal prosecution in Northern District
  706. 0:34:54 Unknown speaker Oklahoma and Kyle is charged with
  707. 0:34:56 Unknown speaker possessing methamphetamine with intent
  708. 0:34:58 Unknown speaker to distribute. On the evening of On the
  709. 0:35:02 Unknown speaker evening, a Mazda with California Police
  710. 0:35:04 Unknown speaker passed through Tulsa County
  711. 0:35:06 Unknown speaker Deputy Sheriff Freddy Alliance, a drug
  712. 0:35:08 Unknown speaker enforcement administrator's task force
  713. 0:35:10 Unknown speaker officer while he was watching traffic.
  714. 0:35:13 Unknown speaker According to Hill's opinion and order,
  715. 0:35:16 Unknown speaker Alliance pulled over the onto the
  716. 0:35:19 Unknown speaker highway and followed the Mazda for no
  717. 0:35:21 Unknown speaker apparent reason other than the fact that
  718. 0:35:23 Unknown speaker it had a California license plate. Hill
  719. 0:35:27 Unknown speaker also wrote, "This is a type of
  720. 0:35:29 Unknown speaker indiscriminate mass surveillance."
  721. 0:35:32 Unknown speaker She continued, "It is a tool that
  722. 0:35:34 Unknown speaker collects information about all vehicles
  723. 0:35:37 Unknown speaker that pass by any network connected
  724. 0:35:40 Unknown speaker camera at all times, and it serves up
  725. 0:35:43 Unknown speaker information to law enforcement on
  726. 0:35:45 Unknown speaker demand." Hill found that the querying of
  727. 0:35:48 Unknown speaker Kyle's vehicle in ALPR systems was a
  728. 0:35:51 Unknown speaker search under the Fourth Amendment
  729. 0:35:53 Unknown speaker without a warrant or probable cause and
  730. 0:35:56 Unknown speaker she ordered all evidence obtained after
  731. 0:35:59 Unknown speaker [snorts] the ALPR search suppressed as
  732. 0:36:02 Unknown speaker fruit of the poisonous tree. Um,
  733. 0:36:06 Unknown speaker I just want to encourage the council to
  734. 0:36:09 Unknown speaker be wary of this. Certainly knowing our
  735. 0:36:12 Unknown speaker budget [snorts] constraints as a city
  736. 0:36:14 Unknown speaker and having um lawsuits due to OPRS is
  737. 0:36:20 Unknown speaker not something I think our budget can
  738. 0:36:21 Unknown speaker withstand. And I would also encourage um
  739. 0:36:26 Unknown speaker traditional policing. This is me not in
  740. 0:36:29 Unknown speaker favor of ALPRs doesn't mean I'm not in
  741. 0:36:31 Unknown speaker favor of the police, which I certainly
  742. 0:36:33 Unknown speaker am. and I would rather see more officers
  743. 0:36:36 Unknown speaker on the street doing traditional policing
  744. 0:36:39 Unknown speaker than money spent on ALPRs. Thank you.
  745. 0:36:43 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um
  746. 0:36:47 Unknown speaker Christopher Gregory.
  747. 0:36:55 Unknown speaker Good evening. Um Christopher
  748. 0:36:58 Unknown speaker Oh, you can lower the mic.
  749. 0:36:59 Unknown speaker Oh, okay. Great. Uh good evening. I'm
  750. 0:37:01 Unknown speaker Christopher Gregory. I'm a resident of
  751. 0:37:03 Unknown speaker Ward 3. Uh I'm speaking tonight just
  752. 0:37:07 Unknown speaker with I guess my own experience uh with
  753. 0:37:10 Unknown speaker Metropolitan Districts. Uh the
  754. 0:37:12 Unknown speaker description of the reporting uh that was
  755. 0:37:14 Unknown speaker provided earlier this evening was uh
  756. 0:37:16 Unknown speaker accurate that u news story that ran a
  757. 0:37:20 Unknown speaker few years ago uh detailed how much more
  758. 0:37:22 Unknown speaker it cost people to live in different uh
  759. 0:37:27 Unknown speaker versions of things. whether you were in
  760. 0:37:29 Unknown speaker an HOA, your tax uh burden was almost
  761. 0:37:32 Unknown speaker double what it would be in a regular um
  762. 0:37:36 Unknown speaker just city uh residence. And then the
  763. 0:37:39 Unknown speaker metro district was almost double what
  764. 0:37:41 Unknown speaker the HOA cost. And I don't think uh
  765. 0:37:44 Unknown speaker what's u typically discussed is what a
  766. 0:37:47 Unknown speaker vehicle uh the metropolitan district can
  767. 0:37:50 Unknown speaker be for fraud and for a developer to
  768. 0:37:53 Unknown speaker basically print their own money that
  769. 0:37:56 Unknown speaker they can uh issue bonds. They can uh um
  770. 0:38:00 Unknown speaker saddle uh the property owners within
  771. 0:38:03 Unknown speaker that metro district with extreme amounts
  772. 0:38:05 Unknown speaker of debt for years to come. And if you
  773. 0:38:08 Unknown speaker know done poorly like a lot of these
  774. 0:38:10 Unknown speaker metro districts are, the boards and the
  775. 0:38:13 Unknown speaker governing bodies are composed of the
  776. 0:38:15 Unknown speaker developer. So they get to issue their
  777. 0:38:18 Unknown speaker bonds, they get to invest in their
  778. 0:38:20 Unknown speaker bonds. Um it it really has no benefit to
  779. 0:38:25 Unknown speaker um the community at large or uh to uh
  780. 0:38:29 Unknown speaker the residents or property owners within
  781. 0:38:31 Unknown speaker that metropolitan district. It's a very
  782. 0:38:34 Unknown speaker dangerous thing and I think uh this city
  783. 0:38:37 Unknown speaker only needs to look north to uh Loveland
  784. 0:38:40 Unknown speaker where uh the Centa developments have
  785. 0:38:43 Unknown speaker happened uh and the developer McWinny up
  786. 0:38:46 Unknown speaker there uh has engaged in exactly this
  787. 0:38:49 Unknown speaker pattern that I'm describing that they
  788. 0:38:51 Unknown speaker put themselves on these boards. They uh
  789. 0:38:54 Unknown speaker issued a bunch of debt that they had
  790. 0:38:55 Unknown speaker themselves invested in to get the uh
  791. 0:38:57 Unknown speaker guaranteed return uh with the
  792. 0:39:00 Unknown speaker expectation that if any of these
  793. 0:39:01 Unknown speaker property owners default then there's
  794. 0:39:03 Unknown speaker foreclosures and um there's a lot of
  795. 0:39:06 Unknown speaker leverage that the developer can uh use
  796. 0:39:08 Unknown speaker just to uh use this as a money-making
  797. 0:39:10 Unknown speaker thing. Um but also with that um they
  798. 0:39:16 Unknown speaker charge maintenance fees. they um you
  799. 0:39:18 Unknown speaker know allowed uh the metro district to be
  800. 0:39:20 Unknown speaker a profit source. If we are talking about
  801. 0:39:24 Unknown speaker affordable housing and all of these you
  802. 0:39:26 Unknown speaker know buzzwords and things,
  803. 0:39:29 Unknown speaker one of the worst uh ways to kind of
  804. 0:39:32 Unknown speaker undermine that is a metro district. It's
  805. 0:39:34 Unknown speaker the equivalent of basic economy on an
  806. 0:39:36 Unknown speaker airplane where um yeah, the ticket price
  807. 0:39:39 Unknown speaker looks low, but you buy your seat and all
  808. 0:39:42 Unknown speaker of a sudden there's a bunch of gotcha um
  809. 0:39:45 Unknown speaker charges that get added onto that and all
  810. 0:39:47 Unknown speaker of a sudden a house that may have had a
  811. 0:39:50 Unknown speaker relatively lower sticker price to begin
  812. 0:39:52 Unknown speaker with uh isn't a sustainable place uh for
  813. 0:39:55 Unknown speaker uh the person that has uh gotten their
  814. 0:39:57 Unknown speaker own mortgage or uh whatever else uh to
  815. 0:40:00 Unknown speaker have. So anyway, I just caution against
  816. 0:40:02 Unknown speaker the metro districts. Thank you, Joan
  817. 0:40:04 Unknown speaker Peek.
  818. 0:40:15 Unknown speaker Good evening, Mayor Hogago Fairing and
  819. 0:40:17 Unknown speaker Council. My name is Joan Peek, 1935
  820. 0:40:20 Unknown speaker Spruce Avenue, and I'm here to address
  821. 0:40:22 Unknown speaker the Metro Dix District issue B. Um, you
  822. 0:40:26 Unknown speaker are a council that has stated and past
  823. 0:40:28 Unknown speaker councils that in our city we want
  824. 0:40:31 Unknown speaker affordable and maintainable attainable
  825. 0:40:33 Unknown speaker housing. Um, metro districts is not the
  826. 0:40:36 Unknown speaker way to get it. On the Colorado
  827. 0:40:38 Unknown speaker Association of Homebuilders websites,
  828. 0:40:40 Unknown speaker they say a metro district will save a
  829. 0:40:43 Unknown speaker residential a resident potential buyer
  830. 0:40:46 Unknown speaker actually money boast in the mortgage.
  831. 0:40:48 Unknown speaker But that is not completely accurate. It
  832. 0:40:51 Unknown speaker is not up to a developer or a metro
  833. 0:40:54 Unknown speaker district to um tell a home buyer that
  834. 0:40:57 Unknown speaker they will be in an affordable area. It
  835. 0:41:01 Unknown speaker is up to a mortgage lender. It is up to
  836. 0:41:03 Unknown speaker a credit score. It is up to the amount
  837. 0:41:05 Unknown speaker of money that a potential buyer can put
  838. 0:41:08 Unknown speaker down on a home to lower that interest
  839. 0:41:12 Unknown speaker rate as to whether they can afford an a
  840. 0:41:16 Unknown speaker housing project. Um,
  841. 0:41:19 Unknown speaker add on HOA fees, add on metro district
  842. 0:41:22 Unknown speaker fees, add on the insurance rates that
  843. 0:41:26 Unknown speaker are being hiked because of natural
  844. 0:41:27 Unknown speaker disasters, and it puts owning a home
  845. 0:41:30 Unknown speaker completely out of the realm of a future
  846. 0:41:33 Unknown speaker homeowner.
  847. 0:41:35 Unknown speaker So, I uh urge you to think about
  848. 0:41:39 Unknown speaker disallowing um metro districts in
  849. 0:41:42 Unknown speaker residential areas. However, the sugar
  850. 0:41:45 Unknown speaker mill is a different animal. It is a very
  851. 0:41:47 Unknown speaker dangerous place and has been for over 20
  852. 0:41:51 Unknown speaker years for um our um police officers to
  853. 0:41:56 Unknown speaker maintain to monitor. It is dangerous for
  854. 0:41:59 Unknown speaker all the teenagers that go out there and
  855. 0:42:02 Unknown speaker want to have a place to hang out. Um it
  856. 0:42:06 Unknown speaker is a very expensive with the approximate
  857. 0:42:11 Unknown speaker um soil remediation at about uh $6
  858. 0:42:16 Unknown speaker million.
  859. 0:42:18 Unknown speaker Our staff has done an incredible job of
  860. 0:42:20 Unknown speaker working with the five homeowners out
  861. 0:42:23 Unknown speaker there. I think that we we need to do
  862. 0:42:27 Unknown speaker something with that property. The
  863. 0:42:29 Unknown speaker buildings are in decay. They have to be
  864. 0:42:32 Unknown speaker uh they're toxic. They need to be
  865. 0:42:35 Unknown speaker cleaned up and the five homeowner
  866. 0:42:37 Unknown speaker property owners cannot afford to do all
  867. 0:42:40 Unknown speaker of it. So I would put guard rails around
  868. 0:42:44 Unknown speaker it if you decide to put a special
  869. 0:42:46 Unknown speaker district or a metro district out there.
  870. 0:42:48 Unknown speaker The guard rails being an absolute sunset
  871. 0:42:52 Unknown speaker for that uh district. It would be
  872. 0:42:55 Unknown speaker quarterly uh updates. It would be what
  873. 0:42:58 Unknown speaker is the money going to be spent on? what
  874. 0:43:00 Unknown speaker is the project and how is it going to
  875. 0:43:03 Unknown speaker affect the entire project? Um, make sure
  876. 0:43:08 Unknown speaker that council is involved in this
  877. 0:43:11 Unknown speaker process. If you decide, remember, we
  878. 0:43:14 Unknown speaker have not annexed it.
  879. 0:43:18 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  880. 0:43:19 Unknown speaker Thank you. Send it back to the county if
  881. 0:43:21 Unknown speaker you don't want to do it.
  882. 0:43:22 Unknown speaker Me Thornbury.
  883. 0:43:31 Unknown speaker Hello everybody. Meg Thornberry,
  884. 0:43:33 Unknown speaker Foxridge Apartments. Um I wanted to
  885. 0:43:36 Unknown speaker invite everybody to our anniversary
  886. 0:43:38 Unknown speaker party that we're going to have for the
  887. 0:43:39 Unknown speaker Visible Government League to celebrate.
  888. 0:43:42 Unknown speaker Um it's almost been a year now since we
  889. 0:43:44 Unknown speaker deflocked, which is very exciting. Um so
  890. 0:43:47 Unknown speaker we hope you can join us December 7th
  891. 0:43:49 Unknown speaker from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. at St. Brain
  892. 0:43:51 Unknown speaker Cery. um so we can help celebrate that
  893. 0:43:54 Unknown speaker we were the third city in Colorado to do
  894. 0:43:56 Unknown speaker that and now we're the 10th city in the
  895. 0:43:58 Unknown speaker country to have a tech advisory board.
  896. 0:44:00 Unknown speaker So we have lots to celebrate and we hope
  897. 0:44:01 Unknown speaker you can join. Um on a different note to
  898. 0:44:04 Unknown speaker the election um I am putting an effort
  899. 0:44:06 Unknown speaker together um to start to get watchers of
  900. 0:44:10 Unknown speaker watchers for the agents that have been
  901. 0:44:12 Unknown speaker sent into Adams County for the um the
  902. 0:44:15 Unknown speaker DOJ agents who are coming to observe the
  903. 0:44:17 Unknown speaker elections. And just as part of our
  904. 0:44:20 Unknown speaker visible government league, we have our
  905. 0:44:21 Unknown speaker stickers that say who watches the
  906. 0:44:22 Unknown speaker watchers. And so as an extension of
  907. 0:44:24 Unknown speaker this, we are going to be watching. And
  908. 0:44:26 Unknown speaker it is going to be with Singing
  909. 0:44:27 Unknown speaker Resistance. Um it was out of
  910. 0:44:29 Unknown speaker Minneapolis. They just released a whole
  911. 0:44:30 Unknown speaker bunch of new songs that are election
  912. 0:44:32 Unknown speaker focused. They're great. We're going to
  913. 0:44:34 Unknown speaker be there fully peacefully, specifically
  914. 0:44:36 Unknown speaker not to intervene, just to be there, just
  915. 0:44:38 Unknown speaker to watch. So if you would like to get
  916. 0:44:39 Unknown speaker involved with that, please come talk to
  917. 0:44:41 Unknown speaker me. Um I got a signal for that. Um, and
  918. 0:44:44 Unknown speaker then I didn't get a chance to get
  919. 0:44:45 Unknown speaker through all of the ballot measures last
  920. 0:44:46 Unknown speaker time. So, I wanted to finish off where
  921. 0:44:48 Unknown speaker we went because, um, there's a lot of
  922. 0:44:49 Unknown speaker spooky ballot measures. Very deceptive.
  923. 0:44:53 Unknown speaker So, um, as I said before, just consider
  924. 0:44:55 Unknown speaker why something needs to be in the
  925. 0:44:57 Unknown speaker constitution. Um, so, as I said, 81, 82,
  926. 0:45:00 Unknown speaker and 83, for that reason, don't need
  927. 0:45:01 Unknown speaker that. 84, which is about the IDs. Um, we
  928. 0:45:05 Unknown speaker already have the most secure elections,
  929. 0:45:06 Unknown speaker and what they're suggesting is that you
  930. 0:45:08 Unknown speaker put your driver's license on the outside
  931. 0:45:10 Unknown speaker of an envelope when you send it. So that
  932. 0:45:12 Unknown speaker doesn't make sense to me. Um for 86
  933. 0:45:14 Unknown speaker that's on districtricting. We don't have
  934. 0:45:15 Unknown speaker any guarantees that that's actually
  935. 0:45:16 Unknown speaker going to be applied equally. Um 87 is my
  936. 0:45:20 Unknown speaker favorite. This is the yes. This is the
  937. 0:45:21 Unknown speaker graduated income tax. Um and just again
  938. 0:45:23 Unknown speaker for the math part of it, if you're a
  939. 0:45:25 Unknown speaker billionaire, if you have $1 billion and
  940. 0:45:27 Unknown speaker you get taxed at 3.44%. That is $34
  941. 0:45:30 Unknown speaker million. So I just want to like put that
  942. 0:45:33 Unknown speaker in scale is that we are going to be
  943. 0:45:34 Unknown speaker actually getting a lot of money from
  944. 0:45:36 Unknown speaker someone that is less. That's like a
  945. 0:45:38 Unknown speaker thousandth of what they make. like it's
  946. 0:45:40 Unknown speaker such a small percentage. So, love that
  947. 0:45:42 Unknown speaker one. And same thing after that is um
  948. 0:45:45 Unknown speaker Proposition NN. Oh, sorry, back to 87
  949. 0:45:48 Unknown speaker real quick. Polus has been lying about
  950. 0:45:49 Unknown speaker the things that it's going to be taking
  951. 0:45:51 Unknown speaker away from social security. So, don't
  952. 0:45:53 Unknown speaker believe that. Um now, back to the
  953. 0:45:55 Unknown speaker propositions 132, which is fentanyl. Um
  954. 0:45:58 Unknown speaker maximum or harsher sentencing does not
  955. 0:46:00 Unknown speaker prevent crime. It does not do any of
  956. 0:46:02 Unknown speaker that. And fentanyl is now in almost
  957. 0:46:04 Unknown speaker every drug. And so this is really just
  958. 0:46:06 Unknown speaker opening up way more people to be in
  959. 0:46:08 Unknown speaker prison for way longer. Um, which is free
  960. 0:46:10 Unknown speaker labor. Um, and then 133 is trafficking.
  961. 0:46:14 Unknown speaker Again, making maximum sent or sorry,
  962. 0:46:16 Unknown speaker minimum sentencing is never a good idea
  963. 0:46:18 Unknown speaker for actually getting people to report.
  964. 0:46:20 Unknown speaker Uh, 134, 135 are both anti-trans. Um, we
  965. 0:46:23 Unknown speaker don't need um people checking out
  966. 0:46:25 Unknown speaker genitals for 134 and um, sorry,
  967. 0:46:28 Unknown speaker surgeries on minors isn't a thing anyway
  968. 0:46:30 Unknown speaker for 135.
  969. 0:46:32 Unknown speaker Thank you. Okay, seeing no one else on
  970. 0:46:34 Unknown speaker the list, I will now close. Public
  971. 0:46:35 Unknown speaker invited to be heard. We are now on to
  972. 0:46:38 Unknown speaker item five, special reports and
  973. 0:46:40 Unknown speaker presentations. And I have over here a
  974. 0:46:42 Unknown speaker proclamation designating October 26,
  975. 0:46:45 Unknown speaker 2026 as Kuanis Club of Longmont Day in
  976. 0:46:49 Unknown speaker Longmont, Colorado. Whereas Kuanis Club
  977. 0:46:52 Unknown speaker of Longmont was charted on October 26,
  978. 0:46:56 Unknown speaker 1926 and has served the Longmont
  979. 0:46:59 Unknown speaker community for 100 years. And whereas one
  980. 0:47:03 Unknown speaker of the club's principal projects is Toys
  981. 0:47:05 Unknown speaker for Kids, which has completed 120,000
  982. 0:47:08 Unknown speaker handmade wood toys from donated wood
  983. 0:47:11 Unknown speaker over the past 16 years with an estimated
  984. 0:47:13 Unknown speaker total of 33,000 volunteer hours and
  985. 0:47:17 Unknown speaker donated to numerous agencies and
  986. 0:47:19 Unknown speaker organizations throughout Boulder County,
  987. 0:47:21 Unknown speaker the state of Colorado, and some foreign
  988. 0:47:23 Unknown speaker countries. And whereas the club has
  989. 0:47:26 Unknown speaker sponsored and produced the Boulder
  990. 0:47:28 Unknown speaker County Fair parade since 1966.
  991. 0:47:31 Unknown speaker And whereas the club funds scholarships
  992. 0:47:34 Unknown speaker for graduating seniors attending St.
  993. 0:47:37 Unknown speaker Brain Valley School District, high
  994. 0:47:39 Unknown speaker schools, and whereas furnishing
  995. 0:47:41 Unknown speaker furnishes monetary con contributions to
  996. 0:47:45 Unknown speaker nonprofit agencies serving children in
  997. 0:47:48 Unknown speaker need. Now therefore, I, Susie Zalgo
  998. 0:47:50 Unknown speaker Farering, by the uh virtue of the
  999. 0:47:53 Unknown speaker authority vested in me and the city
  1000. 0:47:55 Unknown speaker council of the city of Longmont, I do
  1001. 0:47:57 Unknown speaker hereby proclaim October 26, 2026 as
  1002. 0:48:01 Unknown speaker Kuanis Club of Longmont Day in Longmont,
  1003. 0:48:04 Unknown speaker Colorado. So, if you all wanted to come
  1004. 0:48:06 Unknown speaker forward to receive your and if you had
  1005. 0:48:09 Unknown speaker anything you would like to say, you can
  1006. 0:48:10 Unknown speaker come to the podium.
  1007. 0:48:19 Unknown speaker wait for the group. [laughter]
  1008. 0:48:22 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor and council members
  1009. 0:48:25 Unknown speaker [clears throat] for this wonderful
  1010. 0:48:27 Unknown speaker honor. On behalf of the Lamont Kuanas
  1011. 0:48:30 Unknown speaker Club, I accept this proclamation with
  1012. 0:48:32 Unknown speaker our gratitude.
  1013. 0:48:34 Unknown speaker Quanis International, founded in 1915,
  1014. 0:48:38 Unknown speaker is defined by our mission of improving
  1015. 0:48:40 Unknown speaker the world one child and one community at
  1016. 0:48:43 Unknown speaker a time.
  1017. 0:48:45 Unknown speaker Serving the Lombok community for one
  1018. 0:48:47 Unknown speaker century has been our honor.
  1019. 0:48:50 Unknown speaker We thank this Llama community for the
  1020. 0:48:52 Unknown speaker support we have received beginning in
  1021. 0:48:55 Unknown speaker 1926 to present.
  1022. 0:48:58 Unknown speaker [clears throat] Excuse me. We promise
  1023. 0:48:59 Unknown speaker our focus will remain for another 100
  1024. 0:49:02 Unknown speaker years as we continue serving the
  1025. 0:49:05 Unknown speaker children offering every opportunity and
  1026. 0:49:08 Unknown speaker their young lives to thrive for
  1027. 0:49:10 Unknown speaker generations to come.
  1028. 0:49:13 Unknown speaker Thank you to the city of Llama for
  1029. 0:49:15 Unknown speaker always supporting our vision, making
  1030. 0:49:17 Unknown speaker Llmont a safe and happy place for all
  1031. 0:49:20 Unknown speaker children. Thank you.
  1032. 0:49:22 Unknown speaker Thank you. Would you like a photo?
  1033. 0:49:25 Unknown speaker Oh, yes.
  1034. 0:49:26 Unknown speaker Okay, great. Thank you.
  1035. 0:49:29 Unknown speaker Definitely.
  1036. 0:49:33 Unknown speaker Where did go there?
  1037. 0:49:34 Unknown speaker Where did we go?
  1038. 0:49:35 Unknown speaker Where did we go?
  1039. 0:49:36 Unknown speaker I don't know where they
  1040. 0:49:38 Unknown speaker went up to the ring.
  1041. 0:49:41 Unknown speaker Did
  1042. 0:49:51 Unknown speaker you guys not get me?
  1043. 0:49:52 Unknown speaker No. I know.
  1044. 0:49:57 Unknown speaker Mayor can get
  1045. 0:50:11 Unknown speaker Look this way.
  1046. 0:50:20 Unknown speaker Yep.
  1047. 0:50:20 Unknown speaker We're good.
  1048. 0:50:23 Unknown speaker Look this way.
  1049. 0:50:26 Unknown speaker Okay.
  1050. 0:50:30 Unknown speaker Okay, you're good.
  1051. 0:50:35 Unknown speaker Thank you so very much. Thank you.
  1052. 0:50:42 Unknown speaker [applause]
  1053. 0:50:52 Unknown speaker Yes.
  1054. 0:50:57 Unknown speaker Okay. We are now on to our study session
  1055. 0:50:59 Unknown speaker items. The first item for discussion
  1056. 0:51:02 Unknown speaker will be community engagement overview
  1057. 0:51:04 Unknown speaker and options.
  1058. 0:51:06 Unknown speaker Um Sandy Cedar, assistant city manager,
  1059. 0:51:09 Unknown speaker come on down.
  1060. 0:51:18 Unknown speaker Hello, mayor, members of council. Sandy
  1061. 0:51:20 Unknown speaker Cedar, assistant city manager. And let
  1062. 0:51:23 Unknown speaker me pop in my presentation here.
  1063. 0:51:33 Unknown speaker Okay, very good. Thanks. Um, so this,
  1064. 0:51:37 Unknown speaker let me give you a little background. Um,
  1065. 0:51:39 Unknown speaker and I am joined by Adriana Pereira from
  1066. 0:51:41 Unknown speaker Community Neighborhood Resources and
  1067. 0:51:43 Unknown speaker Dylan Samora um Silva from um also from
  1068. 0:51:47 Unknown speaker Community Neighborhood Resources, but
  1069. 0:51:48 Unknown speaker I'll let him introduce himself as well.
  1070. 0:51:50 Unknown speaker So, you may remember back back this
  1071. 0:51:53 Unknown speaker summer, June 23rd council meeting,
  1072. 0:51:56 Unknown speaker council member Christ offered a motion
  1073. 0:51:58 Unknown speaker basically asking uh for the community
  1074. 0:52:00 Unknown speaker engagement team to be more involved in
  1075. 0:52:02 Unknown speaker some of your decision-m um the council
  1076. 0:52:04 Unknown speaker asked to bring back the concept to a
  1077. 0:52:06 Unknown speaker future meeting. It was it has been
  1078. 0:52:08 Unknown speaker slated a couple times since then and
  1079. 0:52:10 Unknown speaker moved around because of budget and and
  1080. 0:52:11 Unknown speaker other uh pressing issues. Um but we
  1081. 0:52:15 Unknown speaker wanted to bring it back tonight. So just
  1082. 0:52:17 Unknown speaker to give you a little bit of background
  1083. 0:52:18 Unknown speaker about the community engagement program,
  1084. 0:52:20 Unknown speaker the city of Longmont has a very
  1085. 0:52:21 Unknown speaker longstanding tradition of engaging the
  1086. 0:52:24 Unknown speaker community when making decisions that
  1087. 0:52:26 Unknown speaker will affect them. This direction came
  1088. 0:52:27 Unknown speaker from city council back in the late 1990s
  1089. 0:52:30 Unknown speaker when they worked to regulate RVs,
  1090. 0:52:32 Unknown speaker recreational vehicles, but didn't have
  1091. 0:52:34 Unknown speaker any mechanism to include the RV owners
  1092. 0:52:36 Unknown speaker in their legislative process. So, guess
  1093. 0:52:39 Unknown speaker what happened? They decided to pass some
  1094. 0:52:42 Unknown speaker laws that would govern where you could
  1095. 0:52:44 Unknown speaker place your recreational vehicle. But
  1096. 0:52:46 Unknown speaker because nobody had talked to owners,
  1097. 0:52:48 Unknown speaker they came and were very, very upset. And
  1098. 0:52:50 Unknown speaker so at that year's retreat, the city
  1099. 0:52:52 Unknown speaker council asked staff to pull together a
  1100. 0:52:54 Unknown speaker community engagement program. Uh we
  1101. 0:52:57 Unknown speaker started that program at that time,
  1102. 0:52:59 Unknown speaker trained staff on how to facilitate
  1103. 0:53:00 Unknown speaker involvement processes and to include the
  1104. 0:53:03 Unknown speaker community in decision-making. You can
  1105. 0:53:06 Unknown speaker find out more about this whole program
  1106. 0:53:07 Unknown speaker online. We've got lots of information
  1107. 0:53:09 Unknown speaker about it. Um but essentially, I'm going
  1108. 0:53:12 Unknown speaker to share a few things about the promise
  1109. 0:53:14 Unknown speaker um to the community at each level. So I
  1110. 0:53:16 Unknown speaker think that's your cue, right? So let me
  1111. 0:53:18 Unknown speaker introduce to you Dylan Samura Silva.
  1112. 0:53:23 Unknown speaker Hello members of city c mayor members of
  1113. 0:53:25 Unknown speaker city council Dylan Zamora Silva
  1114. 0:53:27 Unknown speaker community engagement specialist and the
  1115. 0:53:29 Unknown speaker chair of the community engagement team.
  1116. 0:53:30 Unknown speaker Uh so as San mentioned uh the city of
  1117. 0:53:33 Unknown speaker Longmont has uh a historic precedent
  1118. 0:53:35 Unknown speaker with uh engaging the community in ways
  1119. 0:53:38 Unknown speaker that are meaningful. Um so I'm here
  1120. 0:53:41 Unknown speaker before you today to uh review the
  1121. 0:53:43 Unknown speaker community engagement framework and to
  1122. 0:53:45 Unknown speaker get an idea uh to give you an idea of
  1123. 0:53:47 Unknown speaker how the community engagement team
  1124. 0:53:48 Unknown speaker approaches community engagement
  1125. 0:53:50 Unknown speaker planning. Uh so our just for a little
  1126. 0:53:53 Unknown speaker bit of background information our uh
  1127. 0:53:55 Unknown speaker community engagement framework which is
  1128. 0:53:57 Unknown speaker this pyramid uh is adapted from the
  1129. 0:53:59 Unknown speaker international uh association for public
  1130. 0:54:02 Unknown speaker participation IP2 and this is one of the
  1131. 0:54:05 Unknown speaker central tools that we use uh to when
  1132. 0:54:07 Unknown speaker planning uh community engagement. Uh so
  1133. 0:54:10 Unknown speaker this tool really allows the city and
  1134. 0:54:13 Unknown speaker departments to uh have one central and
  1135. 0:54:16 Unknown speaker common approach when we're outlining
  1136. 0:54:18 Unknown speaker what we're trying to do and how we're
  1137. 0:54:19 Unknown speaker trying to involve the community. So
  1138. 0:54:21 Unknown speaker starting with the uh the most basic
  1139. 0:54:24 Unknown speaker level inform as you would guess this is
  1140. 0:54:26 Unknown speaker the bas this is the uh the broadest
  1141. 0:54:28 Unknown speaker level where we uh are sharing
  1142. 0:54:30 Unknown speaker information with our community and it
  1143. 0:54:33 Unknown speaker doesn't involve a decision right so this
  1144. 0:54:35 Unknown speaker is where we begin to plan and think
  1145. 0:54:37 Unknown speaker through uh channels to distribute
  1146. 0:54:39 Unknown speaker information formats uh also um thinking
  1147. 0:54:43 Unknown speaker through language access and plain
  1148. 0:54:44 Unknown speaker language and also the clarity to ensure
  1149. 0:54:47 Unknown speaker that people understand what's happening
  1150. 0:54:48 Unknown speaker in the city and understand if they want
  1151. 0:54:51 Unknown speaker to get more involved. Uh great example
  1152. 0:54:53 Unknown speaker here is neighborhood u anything
  1153. 0:54:56 Unknown speaker involving neighborhoods in terms of
  1154. 0:54:58 Unknown speaker repaving or street closures uh or even
  1155. 0:55:00 Unknown speaker giving them important updates about
  1156. 0:55:01 Unknown speaker programs or projects that they care
  1157. 0:55:03 Unknown speaker about. Uh this is also a space where uh
  1158. 0:55:06 Unknown speaker you you can inform community about
  1159. 0:55:08 Unknown speaker specific topics of interest. Um so
  1160. 0:55:10 Unknown speaker really just the foundational level of
  1161. 0:55:13 Unknown speaker community engagement. Um there may be
  1162. 0:55:15 Unknown speaker projects or programs that uh or
  1163. 0:55:17 Unknown speaker propositions where the city identifies a
  1164. 0:55:20 Unknown speaker need or benefit from community input. Uh
  1165. 0:55:23 Unknown speaker this is where the consult level comes
  1166. 0:55:25 Unknown speaker into play. So the consult level uh plans
  1167. 0:55:28 Unknown speaker to understand impacts, sentiment or
  1168. 0:55:31 Unknown speaker simply preferences to get a direction of
  1169. 0:55:34 Unknown speaker where the committee wants to go. Uh at
  1170. 0:55:36 Unknown speaker the consult level, we anticipate a large
  1171. 0:55:38 Unknown speaker breath of input and this is all for
  1172. 0:55:40 Unknown speaker consideration. By inviting and planning
  1173. 0:55:43 Unknown speaker for diverse sets of opinions, uh
  1174. 0:55:46 Unknown speaker decision makers can make better
  1175. 0:55:48 Unknown speaker decisions resulting in favorable
  1176. 0:55:49 Unknown speaker outcomes that are uh well more aligned
  1177. 0:55:52 Unknown speaker with public opinion. Uh in some
  1178. 0:55:54 Unknown speaker instances, we may need a
  1179. 0:55:56 Unknown speaker transformational change or be faced with
  1180. 0:55:59 Unknown speaker complex topics that require sustained
  1181. 0:56:02 Unknown speaker community engagement and most
  1182. 0:56:03 Unknown speaker importantly dialogue. This is where the
  1183. 0:56:05 Unknown speaker involved level comes into play and uh
  1184. 0:56:08 Unknown speaker community engagement is conducted over a
  1185. 0:56:11 Unknown speaker longer time frame. So the the the
  1186. 0:56:13 Unknown speaker difference between these two is that
  1187. 0:56:15 Unknown speaker consults can be more of a snapshot.
  1188. 0:56:17 Unknown speaker Maybe it's u dots on a board at an
  1189. 0:56:20 Unknown speaker outreach event or sticky notes when
  1190. 0:56:22 Unknown speaker consult are involved involved is more um
  1191. 0:56:26 Unknown speaker a longer term maybe for specified time
  1192. 0:56:28 Unknown speaker or ongoing engagement. So this level
  1193. 0:56:31 Unknown speaker plans for uh reoccurring meetings,
  1194. 0:56:33 Unknown speaker educational components uh and various
  1195. 0:56:36 Unknown speaker opportunities for input.
  1196. 0:56:38 Unknown speaker My favorite example being the vision
  1197. 0:56:40 Unknown speaker zero task force and this is a volunteer
  1198. 0:56:42 Unknown speaker group which meets every other month and
  1199. 0:56:44 Unknown speaker they learn about uh and discuss amongst
  1200. 0:56:47 Unknown speaker themselves and with city staff um uh
  1201. 0:56:50 Unknown speaker different topics related to
  1202. 0:56:52 Unknown speaker transportation safety and ultimately
  1203. 0:56:54 Unknown speaker make decisions along the way leading to
  1204. 0:56:56 Unknown speaker the uh vision zero action plan. So
  1205. 0:57:00 Unknown speaker finally at the top of our diagram we
  1206. 0:57:01 Unknown speaker have the partner level and this is the
  1207. 0:57:04 Unknown speaker least common and it's uh does not one
  1208. 0:57:06 Unknown speaker where the city leads the engagement
  1209. 0:57:08 Unknown speaker process entirely but at the partner
  1210. 0:57:10 Unknown speaker level we see different levels of
  1211. 0:57:12 Unknown speaker government school districts or may maybe
  1212. 0:57:13 Unknown speaker even agencies on equal footing. So this
  1213. 0:57:16 Unknown speaker at this level uh these different
  1214. 0:57:19 Unknown speaker organizations come together they outline
  1215. 0:57:21 Unknown speaker their goals objectives constraints and
  1216. 0:57:24 Unknown speaker then engagement can arise from those
  1217. 0:57:26 Unknown speaker discussions and decisions. So first in
  1218. 0:57:28 Unknown speaker Maine being a great example there. So um
  1219. 0:57:31 Unknown speaker the community engagement team is here to
  1220. 0:57:33 Unknown speaker help. Uh the community engagement team
  1221. 0:57:34 Unknown speaker strives to support the creation of
  1222. 0:57:36 Unknown speaker quality engagement processes through
  1223. 0:57:38 Unknown speaker consultations and tools. Um we use this
  1224. 0:57:42 Unknown speaker framework uh as a starting point so we
  1225. 0:57:44 Unknown speaker can approach community engagement
  1226. 0:57:46 Unknown speaker planning more methodically and ensure
  1227. 0:57:47 Unknown speaker that we continue improving the quality
  1228. 0:57:50 Unknown speaker of life for everyone in Longmont. So I'm
  1229. 0:57:52 Unknown speaker happy to answer questions or pass it
  1230. 0:57:53 Unknown speaker back to Sandy for council options.
  1231. 0:57:58 Unknown speaker Do we have any questions from council?
  1232. 0:58:02 Unknown speaker So, I did have one. Well, council member
  1233. 0:58:05 Unknown speaker Chris, go ahead.
  1234. 0:58:08 Unknown speaker Um, and I I'll come back.
  1235. 0:58:10 Unknown speaker Sure.
  1236. 0:58:12 Unknown speaker Well, I actually wanted to talk about a
  1237. 0:58:14 Unknown speaker couple of different things. So, I don't
  1238. 0:58:16 Unknown speaker know if I'm actually in a question mode,
  1239. 0:58:18 Unknown speaker but I was thinking about vision zero and
  1240. 0:58:21 Unknown speaker I was wondering
  1241. 0:58:25 Unknown speaker some of these in community engagement
  1242. 0:58:28 Unknown speaker processes happen without council
  1243. 0:58:30 Unknown speaker direction to do so. For instance, we
  1244. 0:58:33 Unknown speaker decided on vision zero, but it was
  1245. 0:58:34 Unknown speaker community engagement that said we need
  1246. 0:58:37 Unknown speaker to get a process going for that. So, I'm
  1247. 0:58:40 Unknown speaker looking at our council communication um
  1248. 0:58:42 Unknown speaker between, you know, option one and option
  1249. 0:58:45 Unknown speaker two. You know, what's the difference
  1250. 0:58:47 Unknown speaker between something where we say you need
  1251. 0:58:50 Unknown speaker to look at it from a community
  1252. 0:58:51 Unknown speaker engagement
  1253. 0:58:53 Unknown speaker every time, which kind of you do like
  1254. 0:58:56 Unknown speaker when we're talking about we need to
  1255. 0:58:57 Unknown speaker inform and we need to, you know, send
  1256. 0:58:59 Unknown speaker out information to the to the public or
  1257. 0:59:02 Unknown speaker we need to, you know, engage
  1258. 0:59:04 Unknown speaker stakeholders. I mean that seems to
  1259. 0:59:06 Unknown speaker happen organically but I'm looking also
  1260. 0:59:08 Unknown speaker at my original motion here which said if
  1261. 0:59:12 Unknown speaker you can just let me repeat it um
  1262. 0:59:16 Unknown speaker that um will bring um discussion about a
  1263. 0:59:19 Unknown speaker policy regarding measures first be
  1264. 0:59:21 Unknown speaker referred to the community engagement
  1265. 0:59:22 Unknown speaker team to assess community engagement
  1266. 0:59:24 Unknown speaker pathway including referral to
  1267. 0:59:27 Unknown speaker appropriate boards, commissions, impact
  1268. 0:59:29 Unknown speaker teams, task forces or other public input
  1269. 0:59:31 Unknown speaker opportunities before final language is
  1270. 0:59:34 Unknown speaker presented to council unless the matter
  1271. 0:59:36 Unknown speaker is administrative, time-sensitive,
  1272. 0:59:38 Unknown speaker legally required, or otherwise exempted
  1273. 0:59:40 Unknown speaker by the city manager or city attorney.
  1274. 0:59:44 Unknown speaker So, I'm just wondering which one of
  1275. 0:59:46 Unknown speaker these options best gets us there.
  1276. 0:59:49 Unknown speaker So, thanks for the question so much, um,
  1277. 0:59:51 Unknown speaker Mayor Hagering and Council Member
  1278. 0:59:53 Unknown speaker Christ. So, option one, right, refer
  1279. 0:59:56 Unknown speaker everything to the community engagement
  1280. 0:59:58 Unknown speaker um, team. That that was where I got that
  1281. 1:00:00 Unknown speaker from was because of that motion. And the
  1282. 1:00:03 Unknown speaker difference between the two I would say
  1283. 1:00:04 Unknown speaker is because I think at that particular
  1284. 1:00:07 Unknown speaker moment and I believe the topic was
  1285. 1:00:09 Unknown speaker high-capacity data centers was the
  1286. 1:00:11 Unknown speaker discussion and I feel like to some
  1287. 1:00:13 Unknown speaker extent people may have felt like there
  1288. 1:00:14 Unknown speaker was a miss of stakeholder engagement or
  1289. 1:00:17 Unknown speaker maybe there wasn't and so it seems to me
  1290. 1:00:19 Unknown speaker like the the part of the motion was to
  1291. 1:00:22 Unknown speaker say hey when we come up with these ideas
  1292. 1:00:24 Unknown speaker of things and new legislation that we
  1293. 1:00:26 Unknown speaker want to bring we should send it to this
  1294. 1:00:28 Unknown speaker community engagement team every time to
  1295. 1:00:30 Unknown speaker do a stakeholder analysis versus I think
  1296. 1:00:33 Unknown speaker the discussion at the time on the motion
  1297. 1:00:34 Unknown speaker was um does that make the most sense in
  1298. 1:00:37 Unknown speaker every situation or should it be
  1299. 1:00:38 Unknown speaker selective and so option the first option
  1300. 1:00:41 Unknown speaker is refer everything to us so that we are
  1301. 1:00:43 Unknown speaker giving you stakeholder engagement on
  1302. 1:00:45 Unknown speaker every topic that you're interested in
  1303. 1:00:47 Unknown speaker and the second one is um to to do that
  1304. 1:00:49 Unknown speaker more selectively when you all decide
  1305. 1:00:52 Unknown speaker that this is something that you would
  1306. 1:00:53 Unknown speaker like input on um which is our
  1307. 1:00:56 Unknown speaker recommendation actually um because if
  1308. 1:00:58 Unknown speaker you already have decided you don't want
  1309. 1:01:00 Unknown speaker input and you don't want to ask the
  1310. 1:01:01 Unknown speaker community then you never ask a question
  1311. 1:01:03 Unknown speaker you either already know the answer to or
  1312. 1:01:05 Unknown speaker the input isn't going to matter. Um, so
  1313. 1:01:08 Unknown speaker that's the difference between the two
  1314. 1:01:09 Unknown speaker options and I'd be happy to go through
  1315. 1:01:11 Unknown speaker them all
  1316. 1:01:12 Unknown speaker more specifically too.
  1317. 1:01:13 Unknown speaker What would be the difference in staff
  1318. 1:01:15 Unknown speaker capacity between one and two?
  1319. 1:01:19 Unknown speaker Thanks for that question too. Council
  1320. 1:01:21 Unknown speaker member Chris, I think, you know,
  1321. 1:01:23 Unknown speaker obviously it would take more staff
  1322. 1:01:24 Unknown speaker capacity to do one, but we do
  1323. 1:01:25 Unknown speaker stakeholder engagement all the time.
  1324. 1:01:28 Unknown speaker We're always looking at who's going to
  1325. 1:01:29 Unknown speaker be affected by the decision-making. The
  1326. 1:01:31 Unknown speaker reason that you see it in all of the
  1327. 1:01:33 Unknown speaker different staff projects is because it
  1328. 1:01:34 Unknown speaker is part of our culture in the city. If
  1329. 1:01:37 Unknown speaker you're going to make a decision or have
  1330. 1:01:38 Unknown speaker a project that's going to affect
  1331. 1:01:40 Unknown speaker residents or businesses, we want to make
  1332. 1:01:42 Unknown speaker sure that you have all the input that
  1333. 1:01:43 Unknown speaker you need to make those decisions. And so
  1334. 1:01:45 Unknown speaker we we do this pretty regularly with lots
  1335. 1:01:47 Unknown speaker of different project managers and
  1336. 1:01:48 Unknown speaker programs that are coming aboard. Um, so
  1337. 1:01:51 Unknown speaker I I would say that the stakeholder
  1338. 1:01:52 Unknown speaker engagement piece of it, getting you back
  1339. 1:01:54 Unknown speaker who you might want to discuss this with,
  1340. 1:01:57 Unknown speaker um, you know, is a little heavier lift,
  1341. 1:01:59 Unknown speaker but it's a great opportunity for us to
  1342. 1:02:01 Unknown speaker be able to involve the community at the
  1343. 1:02:03 Unknown speaker right levels.
  1344. 1:02:03 Unknown speaker Right. Right. And I I asked a question
  1345. 1:02:06 Unknown speaker or emailed you a question about um,
  1346. 1:02:08 Unknown speaker county residents that often feel they
  1347. 1:02:10 Unknown speaker don't get a an option to talk or, you
  1348. 1:02:13 Unknown speaker know, even if they're stakeholders. And
  1349. 1:02:16 Unknown speaker um we were saying that you know if we
  1350. 1:02:18 Unknown speaker sent this to community engagement we
  1351. 1:02:20 Unknown speaker could get the county residents involved
  1352. 1:02:23 Unknown speaker further earlier in the process so that
  1353. 1:02:25 Unknown speaker we could get their feedback without
  1354. 1:02:27 Unknown speaker having you know they have to come and
  1355. 1:02:29 Unknown speaker stay till the second call and you know
  1356. 1:02:32 Unknown speaker send a lot of emails and kind of um
  1357. 1:02:35 Unknown speaker mobilize themselves. But this might give
  1358. 1:02:37 Unknown speaker them an opportunity to to give some
  1359. 1:02:40 Unknown speaker parameters as to to what's going on
  1360. 1:02:42 Unknown speaker especially as we have a lot of
  1361. 1:02:44 Unknown speaker annexations that are coming up that are
  1362. 1:02:46 Unknown speaker county related. Um
  1363. 1:02:49 Unknown speaker yeah um I have to
  1364. 1:02:50 Unknown speaker stakeholders is a wider net than
  1365. 1:02:52 Unknown speaker residents. It can be
  1366. 1:02:54 Unknown speaker it can be business owners. It can be
  1367. 1:02:56 Unknown speaker people that live in that area. It can be
  1368. 1:02:57 Unknown speaker people that travel through that area. It
  1369. 1:02:59 Unknown speaker can be visitors. It doesn't have to
  1370. 1:03:01 Unknown speaker necessarily be just the residents. the
  1371. 1:03:03 Unknown speaker the stakeholder view is is more more
  1372. 1:03:06 Unknown speaker broad.
  1373. 1:03:06 Unknown speaker Yeah. And I noticed on the list of of
  1374. 1:03:09 Unknown speaker potentials, it it didn't list the
  1375. 1:03:11 Unknown speaker chamber businesses or the county
  1376. 1:03:13 Unknown speaker residents. So that's why I particularly
  1377. 1:03:15 Unknown speaker asked those questions. I want want to
  1378. 1:03:17 Unknown speaker acknowledge my fellow counselors for
  1379. 1:03:20 Unknown speaker being much more sensitive to the idea of
  1380. 1:03:23 Unknown speaker let's send it to a board, you know,
  1381. 1:03:25 Unknown speaker picking a board that relates to motions
  1382. 1:03:28 Unknown speaker that we're making because I think that's
  1383. 1:03:29 Unknown speaker very useful. It's also fully more full
  1384. 1:03:33 Unknown speaker more fully utilizes the boards and
  1385. 1:03:35 Unknown speaker commissions that we have and I think
  1386. 1:03:37 Unknown speaker it's a habit that we should get into um
  1387. 1:03:41 Unknown speaker just
  1388. 1:03:42 Unknown speaker for better participation from all city
  1389. 1:03:46 Unknown speaker members and as you say stakeholders that
  1390. 1:03:48 Unknown speaker are you know adjacent maybe to what
  1391. 1:03:50 Unknown speaker we're doing also is useful. So, thank
  1392. 1:03:53 Unknown speaker you for this work. And um do you have a
  1393. 1:03:58 Unknown speaker sense of how much more staff um time it
  1394. 1:04:01 Unknown speaker would use between one versus two?
  1395. 1:04:05 Unknown speaker Because I would I would like to hear
  1396. 1:04:06 Unknown speaker every time. If you say, "Well, I think
  1397. 1:04:08 Unknown speaker it's we should get engaged here in at
  1398. 1:04:11 Unknown speaker some level." I would like to hear every
  1399. 1:04:13 Unknown speaker time if you think that's appropriate and
  1400. 1:04:16 Unknown speaker I feel bad that we have to ask because
  1401. 1:04:17 Unknown speaker sometimes it gets late and we are not as
  1402. 1:04:20 Unknown speaker on our game as we should be. Council
  1403. 1:04:22 Unknown speaker member Christie, I appreciate that. Um,
  1404. 1:04:24 Unknown speaker Dylan actually worked up a pretty
  1405. 1:04:26 Unknown speaker specific process that we could use if
  1406. 1:04:28 Unknown speaker this was the case to be able to get an
  1407. 1:04:30 Unknown speaker intake in saying, "Here's what the
  1408. 1:04:32 Unknown speaker interest is. Here's, you know, the
  1409. 1:04:34 Unknown speaker question that we want to ask or that we
  1410. 1:04:35 Unknown speaker want input on." Um, so that the
  1411. 1:04:37 Unknown speaker community engagement team can pretty
  1412. 1:04:38 Unknown speaker easily pull together some lists and get
  1413. 1:04:40 Unknown speaker it back to the council. It would of
  1414. 1:04:42 Unknown speaker course delay direction because you would
  1415. 1:04:44 Unknown speaker ask for it in one meeting, you'd get it
  1416. 1:04:45 Unknown speaker back either in an email later or you
  1417. 1:04:47 Unknown speaker know at another meeting for you to be
  1418. 1:04:49 Unknown speaker able to then decide whether you want to
  1419. 1:04:51 Unknown speaker do something different with it. So it
  1420. 1:04:52 Unknown speaker does kind of change the the timeline of
  1421. 1:04:55 Unknown speaker the process, but it also helps you to
  1422. 1:04:57 Unknown speaker take the breath and think a little
  1423. 1:04:58 Unknown speaker further through um who do you want to
  1424. 1:05:01 Unknown speaker involve in the decision- making. Not so
  1425. 1:05:04 Unknown speaker much in the decision- making, you're the
  1426. 1:05:06 Unknown speaker decision maker. Uh but who do you what
  1427. 1:05:08 Unknown speaker who do you want to hear from when you're
  1428. 1:05:09 Unknown speaker making those decisions?
  1429. 1:05:11 Unknown speaker Yeah, I I do feel and I hear this often
  1430. 1:05:16 Unknown speaker that we communicate, we feel like we
  1431. 1:05:18 Unknown speaker communicate a lot, but some people don't
  1432. 1:05:21 Unknown speaker hear it in time.
  1433. 1:05:23 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  1434. 1:05:23 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  1435. 1:05:24 Unknown speaker That's always going to be a
  1436. 1:05:25 Unknown speaker consideration. Now, I would say if you
  1437. 1:05:27 Unknown speaker want full-blown community engagement
  1438. 1:05:28 Unknown speaker processes for every single thing, that
  1439. 1:05:30 Unknown speaker that might be more more staff time, but
  1440. 1:05:33 Unknown speaker certainly determining stakeholders that
  1441. 1:05:35 Unknown speaker you might want to involve um you know,
  1442. 1:05:37 Unknown speaker seems like something we do all the time.
  1443. 1:05:39 Unknown speaker Okay. Well, I see at least one other
  1444. 1:05:41 Unknown speaker microphone on. So, so
  1445. 1:05:43 Unknown speaker well, I have a question around um on
  1446. 1:05:45 Unknown speaker number three where it said attend
  1447. 1:05:47 Unknown speaker community engagement training along with
  1448. 1:05:49 Unknown speaker staff this fall. Um yeah, would that be
  1449. 1:05:52 Unknown speaker in addition to maybe selecting one and
  1450. 1:05:54 Unknown speaker two
  1451. 1:05:57 Unknown speaker um I guess where I'm I'm curious to know
  1452. 1:05:59 Unknown speaker more about
  1453. 1:06:00 Unknown speaker mayor. If the council is interested in
  1454. 1:06:02 Unknown speaker community engagement uh training, you
  1455. 1:06:04 Unknown speaker are welcome anytime. We're happy to to
  1456. 1:06:06 Unknown speaker let you know when that training is going
  1457. 1:06:07 Unknown speaker to be. Uh we just finished the basics
  1458. 1:06:09 Unknown speaker when it says this fall. Yeah. Um sorry,
  1459. 1:06:11 Unknown speaker this PowerPoint was from August, so it's
  1460. 1:06:13 Unknown speaker now gonna be in the spring. [laughter]
  1461. 1:06:15 Unknown speaker Okay.
  1462. 1:06:15 Unknown speaker Um but but yes, um if that's something
  1463. 1:06:18 Unknown speaker that you're interested in regardless of
  1464. 1:06:19 Unknown speaker any other thing that you choose, we
  1465. 1:06:21 Unknown speaker would be happy to get that on there on
  1466. 1:06:22 Unknown speaker the calendar so that you can attend.
  1467. 1:06:24 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you. Um Council Member
  1468. 1:06:26 Unknown speaker Popkin.
  1469. 1:06:28 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Uh quick question for
  1470. 1:06:29 Unknown speaker you to uh Dylan and Sandy before I offer
  1471. 1:06:31 Unknown speaker more questions. Do did you have more
  1472. 1:06:32 Unknown speaker slides?
  1473. 1:06:35 Unknown speaker That's it. What do you what would you
  1474. 1:06:36 Unknown speaker like to do is the last slide.
  1475. 1:06:37 Unknown speaker Great. [laughter] Thank you. Um just
  1476. 1:06:39 Unknown speaker didn't want to sort of change this too
  1477. 1:06:40 Unknown speaker much. Um so number two, option two is
  1478. 1:06:42 Unknown speaker the status quo. Correct. Where if we ask
  1479. 1:06:45 Unknown speaker the community engagement team for
  1480. 1:06:46 Unknown speaker something or provide direction to the
  1481. 1:06:48 Unknown speaker community engagement team, we'll do that
  1482. 1:06:49 Unknown speaker as h ad hoc as needed. Correct.
  1483. 1:06:51 Unknown speaker Correct.
  1484. 1:06:52 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um I I do want to remind my
  1485. 1:06:55 Unknown speaker fellow council members that as as we
  1486. 1:06:57 Unknown speaker have seen with some of the recent
  1487. 1:06:58 Unknown speaker annexation considerations, um there
  1488. 1:07:00 Unknown speaker there is a process already built in for
  1489. 1:07:02 Unknown speaker county residents or or residents of
  1490. 1:07:05 Unknown speaker whether you are a county resident, a
  1491. 1:07:06 Unknown speaker city resident um or or anything else if
  1492. 1:07:09 Unknown speaker you live within a certain amount of
  1493. 1:07:11 Unknown speaker feet. You are given a mailing as per our
  1494. 1:07:13 Unknown speaker code and process um for any development.
  1495. 1:07:16 Unknown speaker Um and so that level of engagement, we
  1496. 1:07:18 Unknown speaker have we have many time opportunities for
  1497. 1:07:19 Unknown speaker engagement already built into our
  1498. 1:07:21 Unknown speaker process and systems. Um, you know,
  1499. 1:07:24 Unknown speaker something I I really do like option
  1500. 1:07:25 Unknown speaker four, the checklist here. Um, whether
  1501. 1:07:28 Unknown speaker that is consistent for each of us or if
  1502. 1:07:30 Unknown speaker you create your own, I think, you know,
  1503. 1:07:32 Unknown speaker I might have a different checklist of
  1504. 1:07:35 Unknown speaker who I would want to consult perhaps than
  1505. 1:07:37 Unknown speaker um my my fellow representative here from
  1506. 1:07:39 Unknown speaker W one. Um, and we might have some
  1507. 1:07:41 Unknown speaker different uh constituencies we wanted to
  1508. 1:07:44 Unknown speaker to check with. And I think that is
  1509. 1:07:45 Unknown speaker perfectly fine for us to develop or
  1510. 1:07:47 Unknown speaker co-develop our own checklists here. You
  1511. 1:07:49 Unknown speaker could work with staff, I'm sure, to kind
  1512. 1:07:50 Unknown speaker of refine that list and get that
  1513. 1:07:52 Unknown speaker feedback. And then you have your own
  1514. 1:07:53 Unknown speaker system already, but it's not inherently
  1515. 1:07:55 Unknown speaker a predetermined process that we follow.
  1516. 1:07:58 Unknown speaker And I worry about the inefficiency of
  1517. 1:08:00 Unknown speaker that um substantially. In fact, I I
  1518. 1:08:02 Unknown speaker don't think I have ever heard from from
  1519. 1:08:04 Unknown speaker anyone um let's have more processes from
  1520. 1:08:07 Unknown speaker constituents all the time. Um but how
  1521. 1:08:09 Unknown speaker and when we do engage with our boards
  1522. 1:08:11 Unknown speaker matters. How and when we do engage on
  1523. 1:08:13 Unknown speaker specific issues matter. And I think
  1524. 1:08:15 Unknown speaker that's why at least my personal
  1525. 1:08:17 Unknown speaker philosophy on that is that's why I'm
  1526. 1:08:18 Unknown speaker elected, that's why we're elected is to
  1527. 1:08:19 Unknown speaker understand the constituencies that we
  1528. 1:08:21 Unknown speaker represent um and that we don't
  1529. 1:08:23 Unknown speaker represent. Um and understand kind of who
  1530. 1:08:25 Unknown speaker who is part of that journey. So um I you
  1531. 1:08:28 Unknown speaker know I I like the the current option as
  1532. 1:08:31 Unknown speaker long as we are intentional about it. Um
  1533. 1:08:32 Unknown speaker and I think it's incumbent on us to be
  1534. 1:08:34 Unknown speaker intentional about that. So uh that
  1535. 1:08:37 Unknown speaker that's that's generally my my
  1536. 1:08:38 Unknown speaker inclination here. Thank you,
  1537. 1:08:40 Unknown speaker Council Member Prito.
  1538. 1:08:45 Unknown speaker Thank [snorts] you, mayor. Um, you know,
  1539. 1:08:47 Unknown speaker I was I was going with two and and I
  1540. 1:08:49 Unknown speaker would agree with Council Member Popkin.
  1541. 1:08:51 Unknown speaker That's kind of what we do already. And I
  1542. 1:08:54 Unknown speaker was thinking like, well, how would we
  1543. 1:08:55 Unknown speaker determine, right? And then it speaks to
  1544. 1:08:57 Unknown speaker number four, the checklist. So, I I
  1545. 1:08:59 Unknown speaker would like us to have maybe a visual or
  1546. 1:09:01 Unknown speaker something to help guide us um in some of
  1547. 1:09:04 Unknown speaker the decisions that we're making if
  1548. 1:09:06 Unknown speaker possible. Maybe staff could help us
  1549. 1:09:08 Unknown speaker create that or we can come together and
  1550. 1:09:11 Unknown speaker create it together. Um, I also am
  1551. 1:09:13 Unknown speaker interested in the training. So, I would
  1552. 1:09:16 Unknown speaker love an invite from Erica uh to that
  1553. 1:09:19 Unknown speaker training because I think that would also
  1554. 1:09:21 Unknown speaker allow us to have a little bit more
  1555. 1:09:23 Unknown speaker insight as to what that process looks
  1556. 1:09:25 Unknown speaker like um and and help us determine when
  1557. 1:09:28 Unknown speaker we send uh certain projects their way.
  1558. 1:09:31 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  1559. 1:09:32 Unknown speaker Thank you, Council Member Marcy.
  1560. 1:09:36 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I I appreciate the
  1561. 1:09:38 Unknown speaker comments, both the motion from council
  1562. 1:09:40 Unknown speaker member Christ and the comments. Uh I
  1563. 1:09:42 Unknown speaker really do see the the community
  1564. 1:09:43 Unknown speaker engagement team as more of a resource.
  1565. 1:09:45 Unknown speaker Um then what I worry if we go option one
  1566. 1:09:49 Unknown speaker becomes kind of a necessary, you know,
  1567. 1:09:52 Unknown speaker gate, you know, in the in the policym
  1568. 1:09:54 Unknown speaker process. I think, you know, this feels
  1569. 1:09:57 Unknown speaker like a great I worry this becomes a way
  1570. 1:09:59 Unknown speaker that that things council is working on
  1571. 1:10:01 Unknown speaker that gets slowed down and and not that
  1572. 1:10:03 Unknown speaker that's always a bad thing, right? But
  1573. 1:10:05 Unknown speaker always trying to make sure that we are
  1574. 1:10:06 Unknown speaker actively engaging community should be
  1575. 1:10:08 Unknown speaker something I think most of us already do
  1576. 1:10:10 Unknown speaker all the time and whether it needs to go
  1577. 1:10:12 Unknown speaker through that formal process. Um I I I
  1578. 1:10:15 Unknown speaker don't necessarily love it. It kind of
  1579. 1:10:16 Unknown speaker leads me to ask the question, what
  1580. 1:10:17 Unknown speaker problem are we trying to solve? If it's
  1581. 1:10:19 Unknown speaker the problem of well residents don't feel
  1582. 1:10:21 Unknown speaker like they're being heard on certain
  1583. 1:10:22 Unknown speaker issues, then let's work to bring them
  1584. 1:10:25 Unknown speaker into the process as individuals. Let's
  1585. 1:10:27 Unknown speaker work to include them. whether we need to
  1586. 1:10:29 Unknown speaker kind of in my view gatekeep each piece
  1587. 1:10:32 Unknown speaker of this through community engagement
  1588. 1:10:33 Unknown speaker team is not necessarily where I'm at. So
  1589. 1:10:35 Unknown speaker I I would I would be supportive of
  1590. 1:10:37 Unknown speaker option two. Agree about a checklist. I
  1591. 1:10:39 Unknown speaker think that's that's reasonable. Um and
  1592. 1:10:41 Unknown speaker then uh yeah, option two would be my
  1593. 1:10:43 Unknown speaker preference.
  1594. 1:10:44 Unknown speaker Okay. So um seeing no one else in the
  1595. 1:10:49 Unknown speaker queue, um you you know I've heard a
  1596. 1:10:53 Unknown speaker couple of people mention option two. Um,
  1597. 1:10:56 Unknown speaker is there anyone who is veheimately
  1598. 1:10:59 Unknown speaker opposed to option two?
  1599. 1:11:03 Unknown speaker Okay. So, there. Okay. So, we'll kind of
  1600. 1:11:06 Unknown speaker keep that in the um I am not in favor I
  1601. 1:11:10 Unknown speaker am in favor of option two as well as
  1602. 1:11:12 Unknown speaker three. And I do like the idea of a
  1603. 1:11:14 Unknown speaker checklist for us. So, two, three, and
  1604. 1:11:17 Unknown speaker four. Um, but number one, I mean, you I
  1605. 1:11:21 Unknown speaker I heard somebody had mentioned it. I
  1606. 1:11:22 Unknown speaker think it might have been you, Sandy,
  1607. 1:11:24 Unknown speaker that there are some things that we just
  1608. 1:11:26 Unknown speaker don't have a choice for stakeholder
  1609. 1:11:29 Unknown speaker input and whether it's because of state
  1610. 1:11:32 Unknown speaker law or federal law or something that
  1611. 1:11:36 Unknown speaker this is just the way it has to be. So,
  1612. 1:11:38 Unknown speaker it's very frustrating to be on a team,
  1613. 1:11:41 Unknown speaker to be on a a stakeholder group and then
  1614. 1:11:44 Unknown speaker know that, well, it doesn't matter what
  1615. 1:11:46 Unknown speaker you say because we're going to have to
  1616. 1:11:48 Unknown speaker go this direction anyways. So, it's it's
  1617. 1:11:51 Unknown speaker becomes a waste of time for everybody.
  1618. 1:11:53 Unknown speaker So, I I think if we did something like
  1619. 1:11:57 Unknown speaker one that that would might open the door
  1620. 1:12:00 Unknown speaker to be in that kind of situation. Um and
  1621. 1:12:03 Unknown speaker then option two is really what what we
  1622. 1:12:06 Unknown speaker already what we're already doing. Um I
  1623. 1:12:09 Unknown speaker am interested in attending a um an
  1624. 1:12:11 Unknown speaker engagement training that would also help
  1625. 1:12:14 Unknown speaker me understand the the process as a whole
  1626. 1:12:18 Unknown speaker but also inform when I could I mean that
  1627. 1:12:21 Unknown speaker might even help me with create a
  1628. 1:12:23 Unknown speaker checklist what that looks like and how I
  1629. 1:12:25 Unknown speaker can um you know when would be a good
  1630. 1:12:27 Unknown speaker time to bring in other people. what kind
  1631. 1:12:29 Unknown speaker of engagement should we be looking at
  1632. 1:12:31 Unknown speaker depending on the policy? So, um, and
  1633. 1:12:35 Unknown speaker then if other council members would like
  1634. 1:12:37 Unknown speaker to to weigh in on their preference.
  1635. 1:12:41 Unknown speaker Uh, Council Member Christ. Thank you,
  1636. 1:12:44 Unknown speaker Mayor.
  1637. 1:12:46 Unknown speaker So, my intention to when I brought this
  1638. 1:12:48 Unknown speaker motion forward was just that we would
  1639. 1:12:51 Unknown speaker develop the habit of thinking who else
  1640. 1:12:53 Unknown speaker do we need to ask about this? And at
  1641. 1:12:56 Unknown speaker that time we weren't really thinking
  1642. 1:12:59 Unknown speaker about sending to boards. We weren't
  1643. 1:13:01 Unknown speaker really thinking who else, you know,
  1644. 1:13:03 Unknown speaker let's take a a wider look at this. So I
  1645. 1:13:06 Unknown speaker I will make a motion and see if other
  1646. 1:13:09 Unknown speaker someone will second it that we do um
  1647. 1:13:12 Unknown speaker three and four. Um, I think if we have a
  1648. 1:13:15 Unknown speaker checklist, at least one of us on the
  1649. 1:13:18 Unknown speaker council will be looking at that
  1650. 1:13:20 Unknown speaker checklist when we're making motions and
  1651. 1:13:22 Unknown speaker say, is there somebody else that we need
  1652. 1:13:24 Unknown speaker to include in in our consideration here?
  1653. 1:13:27 Unknown speaker And I think the training would help a
  1654. 1:13:29 Unknown speaker lot. Um, and thank you for making us
  1655. 1:13:33 Unknown speaker aware of how much you all do because I
  1656. 1:13:37 Unknown speaker realize you've been doing this and we
  1657. 1:13:39 Unknown speaker weren't fully appreciating how much you
  1658. 1:13:40 Unknown speaker were doing for us. So, thank you.
  1659. 1:13:44 Unknown speaker Um,
  1660. 1:13:44 Unknown speaker thank you. I will second that.
  1661. 1:13:45 Unknown speaker Oh, thank you.
  1662. 1:13:52 Unknown speaker Okay.
  1663. 1:13:54 Unknown speaker Okay. That was a weird popup that showed
  1664. 1:13:57 Unknown speaker on mine. Okay. So, we had a motion to
  1665. 1:14:01 Unknown speaker um take on number three, which would be
  1666. 1:14:06 Unknown speaker um attend community engagement training.
  1667. 1:14:09 Unknown speaker So, just really let us know when and
  1668. 1:14:11 Unknown speaker help us get signed up for that in the
  1669. 1:14:13 Unknown speaker spring. As well as creating some kind of
  1670. 1:14:17 Unknown speaker community engagement checklist
  1671. 1:14:20 Unknown speaker to um for us to establish um involvement
  1672. 1:14:25 Unknown speaker needs and how we can best direct the the
  1673. 1:14:30 Unknown speaker team to engage.
  1674. 1:14:34 Unknown speaker So, the motion was made by council
  1675. 1:14:36 Unknown speaker member Chris and I seconded it.
  1676. 1:14:42 Unknown speaker And I don't see anyone in the queue, so
  1677. 1:14:45 Unknown speaker we can go ahead and vote.
  1678. 1:14:55 Unknown speaker Are you thinking about it? Oh,
  1679. 1:14:57 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  1680. 1:14:57 Unknown speaker I'm just
  1681. 1:15:00 Unknown speaker It was your It was your motion.
  1682. 1:15:03 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries unanimously.
  1683. 1:15:05 Unknown speaker Mayor, thank you so much. Thanks so much
  1684. 1:15:07 Unknown speaker for bringing this up. The community
  1685. 1:15:09 Unknown speaker engagement team has done really
  1686. 1:15:10 Unknown speaker tremendous award-winning work over years
  1687. 1:15:12 Unknown speaker and years and it is we are here to
  1688. 1:15:15 Unknown speaker support you and this process and your
  1689. 1:15:17 Unknown speaker decision-m at all times. So great.
  1690. 1:15:19 Unknown speaker Thanks so much.
  1691. 1:15:19 Unknown speaker Uhhuh. Thank you. Um item B,
  1692. 1:15:22 Unknown speaker presentation for properties with
  1693. 1:15:24 Unknown speaker significant infrastructure and
  1694. 1:15:26 Unknown speaker remediation needs. And I would like to
  1695. 1:15:29 Unknown speaker invite Jen Uten, assistant city manager
  1696. 1:15:31 Unknown speaker to the podium. And she's already there.
  1697. 1:15:55 Unknown speaker Good evening, mayor, members of council.
  1698. 1:15:58 Unknown speaker I'm [clears throat] sorry. I'm having a
  1699. 1:15:59 Unknown speaker little bit of a a cold that's been
  1700. 1:16:01 Unknown speaker hanging on. So, I apologize if I uh stop
  1701. 1:16:04 Unknown speaker in the middle of a sentence. I I
  1702. 1:16:06 Unknown speaker apologize for that.
  1703. 1:16:10 Unknown speaker We're here this evening um to talk about
  1704. 1:16:13 Unknown speaker extraordinary infrastructure needs in
  1705. 1:16:15 Unknown speaker special districts. The question for
  1706. 1:16:18 Unknown speaker council is really a consideration of a
  1707. 1:16:21 Unknown speaker limited expansion of the use of
  1708. 1:16:23 Unknown speaker metropolitan districts for residential
  1709. 1:16:25 Unknown speaker or higher percentage residential
  1710. 1:16:28 Unknown speaker mixeduse projects where there are
  1711. 1:16:30 Unknown speaker extraordinary infrastructure or
  1712. 1:16:31 Unknown speaker remediation needs.
  1713. 1:16:38 Unknown speaker One of the primary reasons that we are
  1714. 1:16:40 Unknown speaker bringing this item to you this evening
  1715. 1:16:42 Unknown speaker is for a conversation related to one of
  1716. 1:16:44 Unknown speaker council's priorities which is to advance
  1717. 1:16:47 Unknown speaker the trans the transformation of the
  1718. 1:16:49 Unknown speaker sugar mill site into a mixeduse
  1719. 1:16:51 Unknown speaker development. So that's in that urban
  1720. 1:16:53 Unknown speaker innovation area goal. I know that this
  1721. 1:16:55 Unknown speaker is not necessarily the final language,
  1722. 1:16:57 Unknown speaker but I am bringing this forward just as a
  1723. 1:17:00 Unknown speaker a reminder of your council action and
  1724. 1:17:02 Unknown speaker priorities. This conversation tonight
  1725. 1:17:05 Unknown speaker would set the stage for a potential
  1726. 1:17:07 Unknown speaker mechanism to address known asbestous
  1727. 1:17:09 Unknown speaker contamination in buildings and address a
  1728. 1:17:12 Unknown speaker lack of infrastructure to support the
  1729. 1:17:13 Unknown speaker redevelopment. And we will be talking
  1730. 1:17:16 Unknown speaker about other types of development this
  1731. 1:17:18 Unknown speaker evening as well, but did just want to
  1732. 1:17:20 Unknown speaker highlight that that's one of the reasons
  1733. 1:17:21 Unknown speaker that we're here this evening. Uh this
  1734. 1:17:24 Unknown speaker chart pres provides an overview of
  1735. 1:17:26 Unknown speaker various types of special districts or uh
  1736. 1:17:29 Unknown speaker districts that are able to have
  1737. 1:17:31 Unknown speaker financing powers. The conversation this
  1738. 1:17:34 Unknown speaker evening is focusing primarily on
  1739. 1:17:36 Unknown speaker metropolitan districts and Butler Stowe
  1740. 1:17:39 Unknown speaker is here uh this evening our bond council
  1741. 1:17:42 Unknown speaker to answer technical questions about
  1742. 1:17:44 Unknown speaker different types of districts. This
  1743. 1:17:46 Unknown speaker evening I will go over at a high level
  1744. 1:17:48 Unknown speaker two of these district types and their
  1745. 1:17:51 Unknown speaker different components of risk for the
  1746. 1:17:52 Unknown speaker city but again primarily we're talking
  1747. 1:17:54 Unknown speaker about metropolitan districts.
  1748. 1:17:59 Unknown speaker So the city is approaching buildout as
  1749. 1:18:01 Unknown speaker you've heard over the budget
  1750. 1:18:03 Unknown speaker conversations. Uh we do have uh an IG
  1751. 1:18:06 Unknown speaker the super in Boulder County and another
  1752. 1:18:08 Unknown speaker IGA on the Weld County side that limits
  1753. 1:18:10 Unknown speaker annexations. uh there are uh only a few
  1754. 1:18:13 Unknown speaker remaining lots um that essentially in
  1755. 1:18:17 Unknown speaker the city can be built out and many of
  1756. 1:18:19 Unknown speaker those are more difficult to build out
  1757. 1:18:21 Unknown speaker and limited growth impacts the budget
  1758. 1:18:23 Unknown speaker moving forward. So that's another reason
  1759. 1:18:25 Unknown speaker we're bringing the conversation this
  1760. 1:18:26 Unknown speaker evening.
  1761. 1:18:28 Unknown speaker So special districts can be used to
  1762. 1:18:30 Unknown speaker incentivize development on hard to
  1763. 1:18:32 Unknown speaker develop sites and they have an
  1764. 1:18:35 Unknown speaker opportunity for taxexempt revenue bonds
  1765. 1:18:37 Unknown speaker that would finance public infra
  1766. 1:18:39 Unknown speaker infrastructure. So nothing requires you
  1767. 1:18:41 Unknown speaker to pro approve a metropolitan district.
  1768. 1:18:44 Unknown speaker It's a legislate legislative and
  1769. 1:18:45 Unknown speaker discretionary act. You do have a number
  1770. 1:18:48 Unknown speaker of regulations in the code that outline
  1771. 1:18:51 Unknown speaker how you accept applications and what's
  1772. 1:18:53 Unknown speaker the criteria and when uh does the city
  1773. 1:18:56 Unknown speaker allow for this to happen. So the
  1774. 1:18:58 Unknown speaker conversation this evening is whether
  1775. 1:18:59 Unknown speaker there is an appetite to make some
  1776. 1:19:01 Unknown speaker modifications to the the code. Um and
  1777. 1:19:05 Unknown speaker again
  1778. 1:19:07 Unknown speaker um you can consider potential changes to
  1779. 1:19:10 Unknown speaker the municipal code. Those changes would
  1780. 1:19:12 Unknown speaker be changes that would allow for
  1781. 1:19:14 Unknown speaker different types of applications to come
  1782. 1:19:16 Unknown speaker forward. So any changes that you made
  1783. 1:19:18 Unknown speaker would um you wouldn't um be able to be
  1784. 1:19:21 Unknown speaker arbitrary and capriccious. So those
  1785. 1:19:24 Unknown speaker application types that come forward you
  1786. 1:19:26 Unknown speaker would have to consider as part of the
  1787. 1:19:28 Unknown speaker regulations that are in the code. Uh
  1788. 1:19:30 Unknown speaker there is a potential for changes to be
  1789. 1:19:32 Unknown speaker very narrowly drawn if you're interested
  1790. 1:19:34 Unknown speaker in it at all. For example, properties
  1791. 1:19:36 Unknown speaker with brownfields or with environmental
  1792. 1:19:39 Unknown speaker remediation needs could be called out
  1793. 1:19:40 Unknown speaker specifically.
  1794. 1:19:43 Unknown speaker So what is a special or metropolitan
  1795. 1:19:45 Unknown speaker district? It's a district that's formed
  1796. 1:19:47 Unknown speaker under uh title 32 of the Colorado
  1797. 1:19:49 Unknown speaker Revised Statutes. It's a governmental
  1798. 1:19:52 Unknown speaker entity, a quasi municipal quasi
  1799. 1:19:54 Unknown speaker municipal uh entity, political division
  1800. 1:19:57 Unknown speaker of the state subject to tabor and uh the
  1801. 1:20:01 Unknown speaker metropolitan district can borrow money
  1802. 1:20:03 Unknown speaker to pay for public improvements on the
  1803. 1:20:05 Unknown speaker front end. Um and then the property tax
  1804. 1:20:08 Unknown speaker would be assigned to properties and paid
  1805. 1:20:10 Unknown speaker over time. And so those funds would be
  1806. 1:20:12 Unknown speaker leveraged at the beginning of a project
  1807. 1:20:13 Unknown speaker for initial development.
  1808. 1:20:17 Unknown speaker The city does have, as I mentioned
  1809. 1:20:19 Unknown speaker before, regulations within the code.
  1810. 1:20:21 Unknown speaker Service plan is how the city sets
  1811. 1:20:23 Unknown speaker forward those operations. So there's
  1812. 1:20:26 Unknown speaker power and functions limited to
  1813. 1:20:28 Unknown speaker construction, financing, and maintenance
  1814. 1:20:29 Unknown speaker of public infrastructure. Mill levy cap.
  1815. 1:20:32 Unknown speaker Um, and you also set the duration. A
  1816. 1:20:35 Unknown speaker natural person must be an elector for a
  1817. 1:20:37 Unknown speaker metropolitan district. Uh, as I
  1818. 1:20:39 Unknown speaker mentioned before, a metropolitan
  1819. 1:20:41 Unknown speaker district can authorize debt issuance. um
  1820. 1:20:44 Unknown speaker it's responsible for the continuing
  1821. 1:20:46 Unknown speaker disclosure and tax compliance um and
  1822. 1:20:48 Unknown speaker they're required to have their own audit
  1823. 1:20:50 Unknown speaker and budget. In contrast, the general
  1824. 1:20:54 Unknown speaker improvement district, also a quasi
  1825. 1:20:56 Unknown speaker municipal corporation, is more closely
  1826. 1:20:58 Unknown speaker tied to the city. Uh so it has the
  1827. 1:21:02 Unknown speaker authority to also levy property taxes on
  1828. 1:21:04 Unknown speaker residential and commercial properties.
  1829. 1:21:06 Unknown speaker It can issue debt. Um if the GI is an
  1830. 1:21:09 Unknown speaker issuer then the city council would have
  1831. 1:21:11 Unknown speaker to authorize the debt issuance. Um it
  1832. 1:21:14 Unknown speaker would be the GID's debt and since the
  1833. 1:21:16 Unknown speaker city council is the board the city would
  1834. 1:21:18 Unknown speaker be very closely involved. Uh a GI would
  1835. 1:21:22 Unknown speaker also be responsible for continuing
  1836. 1:21:23 Unknown speaker disclosure and tax compliance. But the
  1837. 1:21:26 Unknown speaker way this can happen is that city staff
  1838. 1:21:28 Unknown speaker would do it and there would be some
  1839. 1:21:30 Unknown speaker component of that charged back to the
  1840. 1:21:32 Unknown speaker GI. Uh so the city is fully involved
  1841. 1:21:34 Unknown speaker with the debt issuance and ongoing
  1842. 1:21:36 Unknown speaker compliance and it's actually reported as
  1843. 1:21:38 Unknown speaker a component fund in the city's budget
  1844. 1:21:42 Unknown speaker and uh financial documents.
  1845. 1:21:49 Unknown speaker So at a a high level the key difference
  1846. 1:21:51 Unknown speaker is that the metropolitan district
  1847. 1:21:52 Unknown speaker separates the city from the project um
  1848. 1:21:55 Unknown speaker and a general improvement district is
  1849. 1:21:57 Unknown speaker more closely tied to the city itself.
  1850. 1:22:01 Unknown speaker As I mentioned, there's regulations
  1851. 1:22:03 Unknown speaker within the city code. Uh, Long Municipal
  1852. 1:22:05 Unknown speaker Code 4.10.010
  1853. 1:22:10 Unknown speaker uh allows for special districts to be um
  1854. 1:22:13 Unknown speaker created under certain circumstances to
  1855. 1:22:16 Unknown speaker finance the construction of
  1856. 1:22:17 Unknown speaker infrastructure.
  1857. 1:22:19 Unknown speaker [snorts] Um, as I think you know,
  1858. 1:22:21 Unknown speaker residential districts are not currently
  1859. 1:22:24 Unknown speaker allowed um to be approved for the
  1860. 1:22:26 Unknown speaker formation of a district. Um and here are
  1861. 1:22:30 Unknown speaker those reasons that are enumerated in the
  1862. 1:22:32 Unknown speaker code. Uh the creation of a residential
  1863. 1:22:34 Unknown speaker district creates a differential property
  1864. 1:22:36 Unknown speaker tax structure among similar residential
  1865. 1:22:38 Unknown speaker developments and the district resident
  1866. 1:22:40 Unknown speaker would pay significantly more property
  1867. 1:22:41 Unknown speaker tax without commensurate um public
  1868. 1:22:44 Unknown speaker benefit um and the buyers of homes
  1869. 1:22:47 Unknown speaker sometimes are not aware of those higher
  1870. 1:22:49 Unknown speaker property taxes. So there are disclosure
  1871. 1:22:51 Unknown speaker requirements that are part of the code
  1872. 1:22:54 Unknown speaker um related to when we do allow for those
  1873. 1:22:56 Unknown speaker to happen. Um and so that does happen in
  1874. 1:22:58 Unknown speaker mixeduse settings.
  1875. 1:23:02 Unknown speaker Um there are other components as well in
  1876. 1:23:06 Unknown speaker terms of what is outlined in the code.
  1877. 1:23:09 Unknown speaker Uh unless the service plan is later
  1878. 1:23:11 Unknown speaker amended by city council, mill levies are
  1879. 1:23:13 Unknown speaker capped at 50 mills. Mill levy caps
  1880. 1:23:16 Unknown speaker include the combined debt service and
  1881. 1:23:17 Unknown speaker operating levies. And um there's a
  1882. 1:23:20 Unknown speaker maturity of district debt as well.
  1883. 1:23:22 Unknown speaker Unless the survey plan is amended by
  1884. 1:23:24 Unknown speaker council, all district debt must be
  1885. 1:23:26 Unknown speaker scheduled to mature and be paid in full
  1886. 1:23:28 Unknown speaker within 40 years after the council
  1887. 1:23:30 Unknown speaker approves the initial service plan.
  1888. 1:23:34 Unknown speaker So the question again this evening is um
  1889. 1:23:36 Unknown speaker whether or not city council is
  1890. 1:23:38 Unknown speaker interested in a waiver or other changes
  1891. 1:23:40 Unknown speaker to the code for mixed use um under 50%
  1892. 1:23:44 Unknown speaker commercial. So today, mixeduse um
  1893. 1:23:48 Unknown speaker projects are allowed to use the mun uh
  1894. 1:23:51 Unknown speaker the metropolitan district
  1895. 1:23:54 Unknown speaker and it is only possible for those that
  1896. 1:23:56 Unknown speaker have residential that are uh less than
  1897. 1:24:00 Unknown speaker 40 or than 50% of the project overall.
  1898. 1:24:03 Unknown speaker Um so some of the questions that we're
  1899. 1:24:05 Unknown speaker asking this evening is um if there are
  1900. 1:24:08 Unknown speaker any u circumstances under which that you
  1901. 1:24:12 Unknown speaker might change that definition. um and
  1902. 1:24:15 Unknown speaker potentially for those extraordinary
  1903. 1:24:17 Unknown speaker infrastructure needs. So, we're going to
  1904. 1:24:19 Unknown speaker talk a little bit about drainage, talk
  1905. 1:24:20 Unknown speaker about environmental cleanup, and then um
  1906. 1:24:23 Unknown speaker just that there's another option is
  1907. 1:24:26 Unknown speaker potentially access issues that are
  1908. 1:24:27 Unknown speaker created by the city.
  1909. 1:24:29 Unknown speaker So the sugar mill the city has a vision
  1910. 1:24:32 Unknown speaker for redeveloping the sugar mill district
  1911. 1:24:34 Unknown speaker which we have said requires u regional
  1912. 1:24:38 Unknown speaker solutions for the entire area and
  1913. 1:24:40 Unknown speaker addressing those regional infrastructure
  1914. 1:24:42 Unknown speaker challenges and coordinating
  1915. 1:24:44 Unknown speaker redevelopment across u multiple property
  1916. 1:24:46 Unknown speaker owners. Um we do have a vision for that.
  1917. 1:24:50 Unknown speaker Um we know that urban renewal is likely
  1918. 1:24:53 Unknown speaker a tool that will be used in this area
  1919. 1:24:55 Unknown speaker once um some of these properties are
  1920. 1:24:58 Unknown speaker annexed. They're currently not eligible
  1921. 1:25:00 Unknown speaker to be in urban renewal um without them
  1922. 1:25:03 Unknown speaker being annexed or without county
  1923. 1:25:05 Unknown speaker approval. Um reevelopment plans for the
  1924. 1:25:08 Unknown speaker sugar mill are complicated by the need
  1925. 1:25:11 Unknown speaker for planning and coordination of
  1926. 1:25:13 Unknown speaker multiple land ownerships requires
  1927. 1:25:15 Unknown speaker addressing um building and site
  1928. 1:25:17 Unknown speaker contamination. Additionally, a large
  1929. 1:25:19 Unknown speaker portion of this area is county enclave.
  1930. 1:25:21 Unknown speaker As I mentioned, uh, addressing cleanup
  1931. 1:25:23 Unknown speaker is a lynch pin for moving this effort
  1932. 1:25:25 Unknown speaker forward and redevelopment will require
  1933. 1:25:28 Unknown speaker public investment and the tax increment
  1934. 1:25:31 Unknown speaker financing likely will not be enough to
  1935. 1:25:33 Unknown speaker address the significant remediation
  1936. 1:25:35 Unknown speaker needs in this area. The sugar factory
  1937. 1:25:38 Unknown speaker and steam plan identifies um preparing
  1938. 1:25:41 Unknown speaker studies to incorporate regional storm
  1939. 1:25:43 Unknown speaker detention and water quality basins. And
  1940. 1:25:45 Unknown speaker so that's another component. Um in
  1941. 1:25:47 Unknown speaker addition to the contamination needs uh
  1942. 1:25:50 Unknown speaker remediating those also the needs for
  1943. 1:25:53 Unknown speaker kind of regional infrastructure. The
  1944. 1:25:55 Unknown speaker urban land institute plan that was done
  1945. 1:25:58 Unknown speaker for this area from 2020 said it would be
  1946. 1:26:00 Unknown speaker difficult to underwrite a development
  1947. 1:26:02 Unknown speaker project here with so many unknowns.
  1948. 1:26:05 Unknown speaker Identifying and managing risk and
  1949. 1:26:06 Unknown speaker liabilities is of primary importance for
  1950. 1:26:08 Unknown speaker anyone who takes title to and remediates
  1951. 1:26:11 Unknown speaker the site.
  1952. 1:26:15 Unknown speaker So, I'm going to uh move in a different
  1953. 1:26:18 Unknown speaker direction here. Um talked a little bit
  1954. 1:26:20 Unknown speaker about drainage as one of the potential
  1955. 1:26:24 Unknown speaker um uh high infrastructure needs and
  1956. 1:26:27 Unknown speaker extraordinary infrastructure needs. That
  1957. 1:26:29 Unknown speaker might be something that um where you
  1958. 1:26:31 Unknown speaker might want to change the approach that
  1959. 1:26:34 Unknown speaker we have to that mixeduse um metropolitan
  1960. 1:26:37 Unknown speaker district where you have um 50%
  1961. 1:26:40 Unknown speaker commercial or at least 50% commercial um
  1962. 1:26:43 Unknown speaker and 50% residential. Um so [snorts] the
  1963. 1:26:46 Unknown speaker city has over the years um made
  1964. 1:26:50 Unknown speaker significant improvements related to
  1965. 1:26:51 Unknown speaker drainage. Um like in Sculch there was uh
  1966. 1:26:55 Unknown speaker created the channel along the trail and
  1967. 1:26:56 Unknown speaker into St. Spring Creek uh lefthand creek
  1968. 1:27:00 Unknown speaker improvements uh protect Southmore Park
  1969. 1:27:03 Unknown speaker previously impacted by the 100red-year
  1970. 1:27:04 Unknown speaker flood plane. Uh in 2012, uh the city
  1971. 1:27:08 Unknown speaker looked at a project that was grant
  1972. 1:27:09 Unknown speaker funded to make improvements on Lefthand
  1973. 1:27:11 Unknown speaker Creek um that removed some of those
  1974. 1:27:13 Unknown speaker properties there out of the flood plane.
  1975. 1:27:16 Unknown speaker And um there were also dedications of
  1976. 1:27:18 Unknown speaker land for Dry Creek Community Park um and
  1977. 1:27:21 Unknown speaker then install drainage improvements
  1978. 1:27:23 Unknown speaker within the park as well.
  1979. 1:27:26 Unknown speaker So, there is an area where there is
  1980. 1:27:28 Unknown speaker additional um drainage improvements that
  1981. 1:27:31 Unknown speaker are needed. There's a master drain
  1982. 1:27:33 Unknown speaker master drainage plan for the Terry Lake
  1983. 1:27:35 Unknown speaker area that's north of Highway 66. And uh
  1984. 1:27:39 Unknown speaker we have a spring gulch report that
  1985. 1:27:41 Unknown speaker delineated the flood plane um where it
  1986. 1:27:44 Unknown speaker wasn't already mapped north of 21st and
  1987. 1:27:47 Unknown speaker storm water and flood plane implications
  1988. 1:27:49 Unknown speaker um happened in this area. So there's
  1989. 1:27:50 Unknown speaker over topping of Highway 66 and as you've
  1990. 1:27:54 Unknown speaker seen in your packet, there's a request
  1991. 1:27:56 Unknown speaker from a developer um for the use of this
  1992. 1:27:58 Unknown speaker tool to address those drainage needs um
  1993. 1:28:02 Unknown speaker in their potential uh annexation and
  1994. 1:28:06 Unknown speaker development there.
  1995. 1:28:09 Unknown speaker And here's a list of of what those um
  1996. 1:28:13 Unknown speaker potential regional infrastructure
  1997. 1:28:15 Unknown speaker benefits could be for bro bo farms.
  1998. 1:28:18 Unknown speaker Regional storm water detention
  1999. 1:28:19 Unknown speaker facilities. They've also proposed other
  2000. 1:28:22 Unknown speaker infrastructure needs, dam road
  2001. 1:28:23 Unknown speaker improvements, highway access
  2002. 1:28:25 Unknown speaker improvements, including signalization at
  2003. 1:28:28 Unknown speaker Frances Street, um and other water and
  2004. 1:28:31 Unknown speaker sewer backbone infrastructure. Um, and
  2005. 1:28:34 Unknown speaker in that case, they're looking for that
  2006. 1:28:36 Unknown speaker to help accelerate the de delivery of
  2007. 1:28:39 Unknown speaker the public infrastructure.
  2008. 1:28:41 Unknown speaker So, there are essentially two types that
  2009. 1:28:44 Unknown speaker we're talking about this evening. Um, a
  2010. 1:28:46 Unknown speaker private um development that is coming
  2011. 1:28:49 Unknown speaker through. it's in a hard to develop area
  2012. 1:28:51 Unknown speaker that has these drainage um needs and we
  2013. 1:28:54 Unknown speaker know that there there is an impact of of
  2014. 1:28:57 Unknown speaker the drainage situation today to the
  2015. 1:29:00 Unknown speaker development that is south of Highway 66.
  2016. 1:29:03 Unknown speaker There's also this need of um the sugar
  2017. 1:29:06 Unknown speaker mill where we know that there's a city
  2018. 1:29:08 Unknown speaker council priority related to the sugar
  2019. 1:29:09 Unknown speaker mill and I think we're agnostic to the
  2020. 1:29:13 Unknown speaker tool that might help us with that
  2021. 1:29:15 Unknown speaker redevelopment. It could be a general
  2022. 1:29:17 Unknown speaker improvement district in that area or it
  2023. 1:29:19 Unknown speaker could be a metropolitan district. And
  2024. 1:29:21 Unknown speaker but what we wanted to do was bring
  2025. 1:29:23 Unknown speaker forward the conversation to have you ask
  2026. 1:29:24 Unknown speaker questions and to to give us some ideas
  2027. 1:29:27 Unknown speaker about whether or not any of these tools
  2028. 1:29:29 Unknown speaker are something that you'd like to move
  2029. 1:29:30 Unknown speaker forward with. Um I do have included here
  2030. 1:29:34 Unknown speaker the map that was part uh of the
  2031. 1:29:36 Unknown speaker presentation or the materials that were
  2032. 1:29:38 Unknown speaker included with the um development related
  2033. 1:29:41 Unknown speaker to Bo Prey. Uh, and I'm going to sit
  2034. 1:29:44 Unknown speaker down and if and turn on that mic if I'm
  2035. 1:29:47 Unknown speaker open to any questions that you have. Um,
  2036. 1:29:49 Unknown speaker and uh, I'm sure that Harold will also
  2037. 1:29:51 Unknown speaker jump in here as well.
  2038. 1:29:56 Unknown speaker Can you show the slide where you had the
  2039. 1:30:00 Unknown speaker G, the um,
  2040. 1:30:03 Unknown speaker metropolitan district? There were
  2041. 1:30:05 Unknown speaker different things and what they
  2042. 1:30:06 Unknown speaker I sure can.
  2043. 1:30:07 Unknown speaker Yeah, that's the one. Okay. Um, I'm
  2044. 1:30:11 Unknown speaker going to process that real quick. And
  2045. 1:30:13 Unknown speaker council member Coloffer.
  2046. 1:30:15 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Before we get too
  2047. 1:30:17 Unknown speaker involved into the discussion, would it
  2048. 1:30:19 Unknown speaker be okay if we had a temperature check to
  2049. 1:30:21 Unknown speaker see where we all stand? Cuz if we're all
  2050. 1:30:24 Unknown speaker kind of leaning towards one way, I don't
  2051. 1:30:26 Unknown speaker know.
  2052. 1:30:27 Unknown speaker Um,
  2053. 1:30:29 Unknown speaker I guess what are we doing a temperature
  2054. 1:30:31 Unknown speaker check on? Just metro district
  2055. 1:30:34 Unknown speaker specifically or G, SID? I mean I would
  2056. 1:30:38 Unknown speaker really like to I I have a question.
  2057. 1:30:40 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2058. 1:30:40 Unknown speaker So like let me get to my question and
  2059. 1:30:43 Unknown speaker other people have questions first. So
  2060. 1:30:46 Unknown speaker what would be I guess you know looking
  2061. 1:30:48 Unknown speaker at Metro District looking at G
  2062. 1:30:52 Unknown speaker um
  2063. 1:30:54 Unknown speaker I guess what why would one be more
  2064. 1:30:56 Unknown speaker favorable over the other?
  2065. 1:31:00 Unknown speaker And that's I'm I'm not I'm not a
  2066. 1:31:02 Unknown speaker developer. I'm not, you know, I'm coming
  2067. 1:31:03 Unknown speaker in with less understanding about what it
  2068. 1:31:08 Unknown speaker all en encaptures with financing and but
  2069. 1:31:13 Unknown speaker so I think that there are two different
  2070. 1:31:14 Unknown speaker approaches that allow for the financing
  2071. 1:31:18 Unknown speaker of infrastructure. I'll probably handle
  2072. 1:31:20 Unknown speaker it hand it over here to my colleague
  2073. 1:31:22 Unknown speaker here in a second to answer some of those
  2074. 1:31:24 Unknown speaker technical questions. I think that
  2075. 1:31:26 Unknown speaker essentially there are boards that govern
  2076. 1:31:29 Unknown speaker these they um there's a debt issuance
  2077. 1:31:31 Unknown speaker that happens um that it's paid back by
  2078. 1:31:34 Unknown speaker property tax. So in some ways there's
  2079. 1:31:36 Unknown speaker very similar uh the metropolitan
  2080. 1:31:38 Unknown speaker district requires it to be um part of
  2081. 1:31:41 Unknown speaker two different types of approaches. So um
  2082. 1:31:44 Unknown speaker roads and other infrastructure for
  2083. 1:31:47 Unknown speaker example um and
  2084. 1:31:50 Unknown speaker again it's it's uh tied less to the
  2085. 1:31:54 Unknown speaker city. It still has a component where the
  2086. 1:31:56 Unknown speaker city is reviewing the service plan and
  2087. 1:32:00 Unknown speaker making um
  2088. 1:32:02 Unknown speaker setting some parameters about how that
  2089. 1:32:05 Unknown speaker operates. The general improvement
  2090. 1:32:07 Unknown speaker district requires it to um to go to a
  2091. 1:32:10 Unknown speaker vote in November. It requires also that
  2092. 1:32:13 Unknown speaker there be consideration of a um an
  2093. 1:32:17 Unknown speaker operation plan as well. It's much more
  2094. 1:32:19 Unknown speaker closely tied to the city. So I think
  2095. 1:32:21 Unknown speaker that there are uh two different
  2096. 1:32:23 Unknown speaker approaches. Um, and maybe I'll turn it
  2097. 1:32:26 Unknown speaker over to you.
  2098. 1:32:27 Unknown speaker Well, if I can jump in real quick.
  2099. 1:32:28 Unknown speaker Yeah, Harold can jump in.
  2100. 1:32:29 Unknown speaker I I think it really boils down to
  2101. 1:32:33 Unknown speaker council's risk tolerance on these two
  2102. 1:32:35 Unknown speaker issues. So I'm going to speak to it from
  2103. 1:32:38 Unknown speaker the sugar mill perspective in that so
  2104. 1:32:42 Unknown speaker the component of this where a G g the
  2105. 1:32:45 Unknown speaker board's acting as a and our colleagues
  2106. 1:32:47 Unknown speaker from Butler Snow will get into the
  2107. 1:32:49 Unknown speaker details but you're acting in a different
  2108. 1:32:51 Unknown speaker as a different group not the city
  2109. 1:32:53 Unknown speaker council but because it is so closely
  2110. 1:32:56 Unknown speaker tied to the city then when we look at
  2111. 1:32:58 Unknown speaker our financials it's put on as a
  2112. 1:33:00 Unknown speaker component organization so it is showing
  2113. 1:33:03 Unknown speaker up on the financials And
  2114. 1:33:06 Unknown speaker my take on it is is you don't fully
  2115. 1:33:08 Unknown speaker divorce yourself from uh the liability
  2116. 1:33:11 Unknown speaker and and the financial requirements on it
  2117. 1:33:14 Unknown speaker in terms of a GI. So for example, in the
  2118. 1:33:17 Unknown speaker in the sugar mill when you're doing the
  2119. 1:33:18 Unknown speaker environmental remediation,
  2120. 1:33:20 Unknown speaker if that cost is $50 million,
  2121. 1:33:24 Unknown speaker you know, you're more closely aligned to
  2122. 1:33:26 Unknown speaker it than you are in a metro district. So
  2123. 1:33:28 Unknown speaker I think it really boils down to risk
  2124. 1:33:30 Unknown speaker tolerance to a certain extent. I think
  2125. 1:33:33 Unknown speaker what's behind it though to be very clear
  2126. 1:33:35 Unknown speaker why we also wanted to have this
  2127. 1:33:37 Unknown speaker conversation
  2128. 1:33:38 Unknown speaker is the payment mechanism is the same in
  2129. 1:33:41 Unknown speaker the sense of it's still a mill levy on
  2130. 1:33:43 Unknown speaker the property taxes.
  2131. 1:33:44 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2132. 1:33:45 Unknown speaker Um that doesn't shift.
  2133. 1:33:48 Unknown speaker Okay. So even with a GI
  2134. 1:33:51 Unknown speaker residents who buy into those they
  2135. 1:33:54 Unknown speaker actually have the potential of paying
  2136. 1:33:56 Unknown speaker much higher taxes than other
  2137. 1:34:00 Unknown speaker areas. You said it you said it in a
  2138. 1:34:01 Unknown speaker different way. So you can set the term
  2139. 1:34:03 Unknown speaker of the debt that you're going to issue.
  2140. 1:34:04 Unknown speaker You can set I mean basically this body
  2141. 1:34:07 Unknown speaker is setting those requirements on it.
  2142. 1:34:10 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2143. 1:34:10 Unknown speaker Versus in a metro district it's a
  2144. 1:34:12 Unknown speaker separate body doing it.
  2145. 1:34:14 Unknown speaker Mhm. Okay. Thank you, Council Member
  2146. 1:34:16 Unknown speaker Popkin.
  2147. 1:34:18 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um thank you, Jen. And
  2148. 1:34:22 Unknown speaker sorry, is is your name Butler Snow or is
  2149. 1:34:24 Unknown speaker it uh is that the firm you work for?
  2150. 1:34:25 Unknown speaker No, that's the firm I work for. My name
  2151. 1:34:27 Unknown speaker is Laura Wood. It's nice to see you all
  2152. 1:34:28 Unknown speaker this evening.
  2153. 1:34:29 Unknown speaker Thank you, Laura. Um, a couple questions
  2154. 1:34:31 Unknown speaker maybe for staff, for Laura. Um, as we
  2155. 1:34:34 Unknown speaker move forward here, I guess first on the
  2156. 1:34:36 Unknown speaker storm water issue here that Jen you
  2157. 1:34:38 Unknown speaker spoke about. Um, just just taking a step
  2158. 1:34:41 Unknown speaker back here, how how would we address the
  2159. 1:34:44 Unknown speaker storm water concerns normally for that
  2160. 1:34:46 Unknown speaker type of site? If development here does
  2161. 1:34:48 Unknown speaker not happen, is the city on the hook for
  2162. 1:34:50 Unknown speaker that? Who's responsible for that? Who
  2163. 1:34:52 Unknown speaker does impact? Is it the neighbors? Is it
  2164. 1:34:54 Unknown speaker the neighbor existing neighborhoods
  2165. 1:34:55 Unknown speaker around that? Just like what's the what's
  2166. 1:34:57 Unknown speaker the lay of the land there?
  2167. 1:34:59 Unknown speaker So generally what would happen is that
  2168. 1:35:00 Unknown speaker as development comes forward those um
  2169. 1:35:04 Unknown speaker improvements are required as part of a
  2170. 1:35:06 Unknown speaker development application when you're
  2171. 1:35:07 Unknown speaker looking at something like the sugar mill
  2172. 1:35:10 Unknown speaker uh a regional um approach to that
  2173. 1:35:12 Unknown speaker probably makes sense. It's while it is
  2174. 1:35:15 Unknown speaker 200 acres all in that they otherwise
  2175. 1:35:19 Unknown speaker would probably be very small drainage
  2176. 1:35:21 Unknown speaker improvements um and it might make more
  2177. 1:35:23 Unknown speaker sense for that to be a regional drainage
  2178. 1:35:26 Unknown speaker um improvement system. And I think uh
  2179. 1:35:29 Unknown speaker you know beyond that we do have other
  2180. 1:35:31 Unknown speaker staff Josh Sherman's here in the
  2181. 1:35:32 Unknown speaker audience and and Grand Pland Penland as
  2182. 1:35:34 Unknown speaker well who could answer more technical
  2183. 1:35:36 Unknown speaker questions related to development as they
  2184. 1:35:38 Unknown speaker come through. And I think essentially
  2185. 1:35:41 Unknown speaker what we're looking to to do is there are
  2186. 1:35:43 Unknown speaker certainly projects that retain onsite um
  2187. 1:35:46 Unknown speaker and then are part of also a regional
  2188. 1:35:49 Unknown speaker detention system as well. So I think let
  2189. 1:35:52 Unknown speaker me jump in
  2190. 1:35:52 Unknown speaker and Harold's going to jump in. is your
  2191. 1:35:55 Unknown speaker question.
  2192. 1:35:57 Unknown speaker What happens if it doesn't develop?
  2193. 1:36:00 Unknown speaker Partly I think Jen answered half of my
  2194. 1:36:02 Unknown speaker question. The other half is if there
  2195. 1:36:04 Unknown speaker isn't development that happens and the
  2196. 1:36:06 Unknown speaker sites still remain either within or
  2197. 1:36:08 Unknown speaker adjacent to the city of Longmont and
  2198. 1:36:10 Unknown speaker have implications or impacts on existing
  2199. 1:36:12 Unknown speaker properties and neighborhoods. Who's on
  2200. 1:36:14 Unknown speaker the hook for that? So, if we look at the
  2201. 1:36:16 Unknown speaker spring gulch plan and there's an issue,
  2202. 1:36:19 Unknown speaker then we would have to look through our
  2203. 1:36:20 Unknown speaker storm water fund in terms of funding any
  2204. 1:36:23 Unknown speaker improvements that we would need to make
  2205. 1:36:26 Unknown speaker um to manage a storm water issue for the
  2206. 1:36:28 Unknown speaker homes on the south side.
  2207. 1:36:30 Unknown speaker And so, we would either pay for that
  2208. 1:36:31 Unknown speaker with a tax increase or a fee a fee or
  2209. 1:36:33 Unknown speaker rate increase most likely
  2210. 1:36:35 Unknown speaker or see if there's capacity within the
  2211. 1:36:37 Unknown speaker fund.
  2212. 1:36:37 Unknown speaker Within the fund. Okay. Thank you. Um you
  2213. 1:36:39 Unknown speaker spoke to the liability issues. So, that
  2214. 1:36:41 Unknown speaker is helpful on that chart that you had up
  2215. 1:36:44 Unknown speaker before. Is there
  2216. 1:36:46 Unknown speaker a difference in the liability risk
  2217. 1:36:48 Unknown speaker between So there were four districts put
  2218. 1:36:50 Unknown speaker up there. I think a business improvement
  2219. 1:36:51 Unknown speaker district, special use district or
  2220. 1:36:52 Unknown speaker special improvement district, uh the
  2221. 1:36:55 Unknown speaker general improvement district and the Oh,
  2222. 1:36:57 Unknown speaker it's up there.
  2223. 1:36:57 Unknown speaker Metro district. Fantastic. Um are there
  2224. 1:37:00 Unknown speaker other is it just metro district that has
  2225. 1:37:02 Unknown speaker a different liability risk
  2226. 1:37:05 Unknown speaker factor or do they all vary there? Uh
  2227. 1:37:08 Unknown speaker well, I would say that a business
  2228. 1:37:10 Unknown speaker improvement district really can only um
  2229. 1:37:12 Unknown speaker have the property tax that goes that is
  2230. 1:37:15 Unknown speaker coming from commercial. So that is a
  2231. 1:37:18 Unknown speaker differentiator. We do have other
  2232. 1:37:19 Unknown speaker business improvement districts in the
  2233. 1:37:22 Unknown speaker community. But and while there can be
  2234. 1:37:24 Unknown speaker residential that's part of the overall
  2235. 1:37:26 Unknown speaker area of a business improvement district,
  2236. 1:37:28 Unknown speaker only those properties that are
  2237. 1:37:30 Unknown speaker commercial would pay.
  2238. 1:37:32 Unknown speaker I can speak a little bit to the special
  2239. 1:37:34 Unknown speaker improvement district. So special
  2240. 1:37:35 Unknown speaker improvement district doesn't have a
  2241. 1:37:36 Unknown speaker separate board. It's part of the city.
  2242. 1:37:38 Unknown speaker It's an area of the city where you do a
  2243. 1:37:40 Unknown speaker special assessment for a special
  2244. 1:37:41 Unknown speaker benefit. So, the city would again be
  2245. 1:37:43 Unknown speaker carrying that sort of liability.
  2246. 1:37:44 Unknown speaker Gotcha. Thank you. Um, Jen, I believe
  2247. 1:37:46 Unknown speaker you spoke to the process before on this,
  2248. 1:37:48 Unknown speaker but just to cl make sure I fully
  2249. 1:37:50 Unknown speaker understand this, do all special
  2250. 1:37:52 Unknown speaker districts or any of these districts have
  2251. 1:37:54 Unknown speaker to come before the city council for
  2252. 1:37:55 Unknown speaker approval and creation at their onset or
  2253. 1:37:58 Unknown speaker can they happen um, you know, outside of
  2254. 1:38:01 Unknown speaker public review by just a collection of
  2255. 1:38:02 Unknown speaker private property owners?
  2256. 1:38:04 Unknown speaker All of these require um, public review.
  2257. 1:38:06 Unknown speaker So, they would all come to city council
  2258. 1:38:08 Unknown speaker in various different ways. They look a
  2259. 1:38:09 Unknown speaker little bit different when they come
  2260. 1:38:10 Unknown speaker forward. Um, in terms of the
  2261. 1:38:12 Unknown speaker metropolitan district, they're bringing
  2262. 1:38:13 Unknown speaker a service plan that has parameters.
  2263. 1:38:15 Unknown speaker You're going to evaluate it against what
  2264. 1:38:17 Unknown speaker is in your code about what's allowed and
  2265. 1:38:19 Unknown speaker what isn't and whether or not it meets
  2266. 1:38:21 Unknown speaker that criteria. Um, and then it would
  2267. 1:38:24 Unknown speaker then move to um I think there's a
  2268. 1:38:27 Unknown speaker district court component of that that
  2269. 1:38:29 Unknown speaker then happens. Um whereas like a general
  2270. 1:38:32 Unknown speaker improvement district, you would see
  2271. 1:38:33 Unknown speaker those documents and then it would move
  2272. 1:38:36 Unknown speaker to an election. So it would be on a
  2273. 1:38:37 Unknown speaker November election cycle.
  2274. 1:38:39 Unknown speaker Thank you. And then maybe a question for
  2275. 1:38:41 Unknown speaker Laura here. Building on what we approve,
  2276. 1:38:44 Unknown speaker h how much leeway do we have to impose
  2277. 1:38:47 Unknown speaker limits on the mill levy, uh fees, terms,
  2278. 1:38:50 Unknown speaker sunset clauses? Uh what like what what's
  2279. 1:38:52 Unknown speaker in bounds for us to impose or require
  2280. 1:38:56 Unknown speaker and what's not? Um, so specifically for
  2281. 1:38:59 Unknown speaker metropolitan districts since I think
  2282. 1:39:00 Unknown speaker that's the one where you're putting on
  2283. 1:39:02 Unknown speaker those sort of boundaries. Um, so that's
  2284. 1:39:04 Unknown speaker where the service plan comes into play
  2285. 1:39:06 Unknown speaker in your code. So the standard that Jen
  2286. 1:39:08 Unknown speaker mentioned so so well earlier was this
  2287. 1:39:10 Unknown speaker arbitrary Capricious standard. So the
  2288. 1:39:12 Unknown speaker idea of that is that you want to set the
  2289. 1:39:14 Unknown speaker same standards for every application
  2290. 1:39:15 Unknown speaker coming in. And those standards can be
  2291. 1:39:18 Unknown speaker set in your code and they can be very,
  2292. 1:39:20 Unknown speaker you know, very limiting. Maybe we only
  2293. 1:39:21 Unknown speaker want 50% residential like you guys have
  2294. 1:39:23 Unknown speaker now. Um, so those sorts of things can be
  2295. 1:39:25 Unknown speaker set in the code. You can add in mill
  2296. 1:39:26 Unknown speaker levies like you mentioned. You could do
  2297. 1:39:28 Unknown speaker sunsets. Um you can do financial
  2298. 1:39:30 Unknown speaker limitations. There's other limitations
  2299. 1:39:31 Unknown speaker you can do as well. So there's there's a
  2300. 1:39:33 Unknown speaker lot you can do in the service plan and I
  2301. 1:39:35 Unknown speaker think you guys have quite a bit in your
  2302. 1:39:36 Unknown speaker code currently. Um but if you wanted to
  2303. 1:39:38 Unknown speaker add something to just allow for example
  2304. 1:39:41 Unknown speaker um things related to drainage um in this
  2305. 1:39:44 Unknown speaker then you could do that as well as long
  2306. 1:39:45 Unknown speaker as it's applied not arbitrarily or
  2307. 1:39:47 Unknown speaker capricciously among all the different um
  2308. 1:39:50 Unknown speaker applications that come in.
  2309. 1:39:51 Unknown speaker Thank you. And then my last question
  2310. 1:39:52 Unknown speaker here is just related to code. So, thank
  2311. 1:39:54 Unknown speaker you for team me up so nicely on that.
  2312. 1:39:56 Unknown speaker Um, on subsection E for our code on uh
  2313. 1:40:00 Unknown speaker under chapter uh 4, section 10 of
  2314. 1:40:02 Unknown speaker special districts policies and
  2315. 1:40:03 Unknown speaker procedures, subsection E refers to the
  2316. 1:40:05 Unknown speaker mixeduse residential districts. Um, and
  2317. 1:40:07 Unknown speaker that's what's currently allowed already.
  2318. 1:40:10 Unknown speaker And and there are a lot of subsections.
  2319. 1:40:12 Unknown speaker In fact, there are eight sub clauses
  2320. 1:40:13 Unknown speaker with even additional subcomponents to
  2321. 1:40:15 Unknown speaker them. Are those is that an an and like
  2322. 1:40:18 Unknown speaker this is a check by like any new district
  2323. 1:40:21 Unknown speaker has to meet all of those or does it just
  2324. 1:40:23 Unknown speaker have to meet one or a few of those in
  2325. 1:40:26 Unknown speaker order to be eligible?
  2326. 1:40:31 Unknown speaker Give me one second to navigate there.
  2327. 1:40:38 Unknown speaker And while she's navigating, this might
  2328. 1:40:39 Unknown speaker be something that um Eugene may want to
  2329. 1:40:40 Unknown speaker weigh in on how you guys have
  2330. 1:40:41 Unknown speaker interpreted this in the past.
  2331. 1:40:46 Unknown speaker I think it's an and but
  2332. 1:40:47 Unknown speaker it says at least satisfies the factors
  2333. 1:40:49 Unknown speaker listed in the following. I I take that
  2334. 1:40:52 Unknown speaker to mean it has to meet all of those but
  2335. 1:40:54 Unknown speaker I just wanted to make sure I'm
  2336. 1:40:56 Unknown speaker understanding that correctly
  2337. 1:41:03 Unknown speaker and council Eugene May what code section
  2338. 1:41:04 Unknown speaker are you looking at?
  2339. 1:41:05 Unknown speaker Uh yes, apologies. This is uh section
  2340. 1:41:08 Unknown speaker 4.14
  2341. 1:41:10 Unknown speaker sorry section 410 uh 010. It's a send of
  2342. 1:41:15 Unknown speaker the purpose there and it's then clause E
  2343. 1:41:18 Unknown speaker within that.
  2344. 1:41:21 Unknown speaker Sorry, I can send you the link to that
  2345. 1:41:23 Unknown speaker if helpful too.
  2346. 1:41:32 Unknown speaker And mayor, this is my last question, so
  2347. 1:41:34 Unknown speaker I'll pass it back to you after that.
  2348. 1:41:37 Unknown speaker I should let Eugene answer, but I think
  2349. 1:41:39 Unknown speaker it's an and it's
  2350. 1:41:43 Unknown speaker there's a and I don't see and or
  2351. 1:41:46 Unknown speaker yeah it's it's and there's a distinct
  2352. 1:41:48 Unknown speaker need for the proposed development in
  2353. 1:41:49 Unknown speaker special district to propo mixeduse
  2354. 1:41:51 Unknown speaker development consistent with the envision
  2355. 1:41:53 Unknown speaker Longmont comprehensive plan including
  2356. 1:41:55 Unknown speaker the following um and then it talks about
  2357. 1:41:58 Unknown speaker support development patterns that
  2358. 1:42:00 Unknown speaker facilitate the integration of
  2359. 1:42:01 Unknown speaker residential and non-resident residential
  2360. 1:42:03 Unknown speaker land uses and that are conducive to
  2361. 1:42:06 Unknown speaker transit pedestrians and bicycles and
  2362. 1:42:09 Unknown speaker strategy LUD 5.1C promote urban design
  2363. 1:42:13 Unknown speaker and site planning and mixed use areas to
  2364. 1:42:15 Unknown speaker make them pedestrian and bicycle
  2365. 1:42:16 Unknown speaker friendly and to incorporate on-site
  2366. 1:42:18 Unknown speaker connections where interconnections were
  2367. 1:42:20 Unknown speaker appropriate and then there's other um
  2368. 1:42:24 Unknown speaker components related to to mixed use as it
  2369. 1:42:27 Unknown speaker moves forward.
  2370. 1:42:28 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you. Agreed.
  2371. 1:42:30 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um Council Member
  2372. 1:42:33 Unknown speaker Marine.
  2373. 1:42:34 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Uh I want to try to
  2374. 1:42:36 Unknown speaker separate a couple of things here that I
  2375. 1:42:38 Unknown speaker think are a little bit crossing. Um
  2376. 1:42:41 Unknown speaker because I think obviously everybody up
  2377. 1:42:44 Unknown speaker here wants the sugar factory
  2378. 1:42:45 Unknown speaker redeveloped, right? I think that's not a
  2379. 1:42:47 Unknown speaker question. I mean, but wanting that that
  2380. 1:42:51 Unknown speaker sugar factory developed does not
  2381. 1:42:52 Unknown speaker necessarily answer whether we should
  2382. 1:42:54 Unknown speaker reopen residential metro districts
  2383. 1:42:55 Unknown speaker across Longmont, which fundamentally is
  2384. 1:42:57 Unknown speaker is kind of the question you're bringing,
  2385. 1:42:59 Unknown speaker Jen, if I'm if I'm correct. Like there
  2386. 1:43:01 Unknown speaker the question I keep coming back to is is
  2387. 1:43:02 Unknown speaker there a way to to to target that
  2388. 1:43:06 Unknown speaker specifically without reopening the code
  2389. 1:43:08 Unknown speaker broadly? And I am deeply skeptical that
  2390. 1:43:11 Unknown speaker that's possible unless I can be proven
  2391. 1:43:14 Unknown speaker otherwise. I mean because that that
  2392. 1:43:17 Unknown speaker really is is the question is can we
  2393. 1:43:19 Unknown speaker actually create a fac a sugar factory
  2394. 1:43:22 Unknown speaker exception only or would we just be
  2395. 1:43:24 Unknown speaker creating a new category under the code
  2396. 1:43:26 Unknown speaker the developers would likely as we've
  2397. 1:43:28 Unknown speaker heard tonight want to take advantage of.
  2398. 1:43:32 Unknown speaker So, I think you could certainly um give
  2399. 1:43:35 Unknown speaker us direction related to a narrow um
  2400. 1:43:38 Unknown speaker addition or potentially amendment to
  2401. 1:43:41 Unknown speaker what is in the code. So, I do think that
  2402. 1:43:44 Unknown speaker um as it moves forward, we don't know
  2403. 1:43:45 Unknown speaker exactly what the sugar mill would look
  2404. 1:43:47 Unknown speaker like in terms of its composition,
  2405. 1:43:49 Unknown speaker whether it's 50% residential or 25%
  2406. 1:43:53 Unknown speaker residential or 75% residential. I don't
  2407. 1:43:56 Unknown speaker think that we know exactly what that
  2408. 1:43:58 Unknown speaker looks like. I think you could tailor
  2409. 1:44:00 Unknown speaker something related to properties that
  2410. 1:44:02 Unknown speaker have um
  2411. 1:44:05 Unknown speaker uh extraordinary infrastructure needs
  2412. 1:44:07 Unknown speaker and that also are a brownfield for
  2413. 1:44:10 Unknown speaker example and potentially there's some
  2414. 1:44:12 Unknown speaker language that we could do that's related
  2415. 1:44:14 Unknown speaker to that approach. I think what we wanted
  2416. 1:44:17 Unknown speaker to do is understand whether there was an
  2417. 1:44:19 Unknown speaker appetite for it. I think it will take
  2418. 1:44:21 Unknown speaker some careful work with uh the city
  2419. 1:44:23 Unknown speaker attorney's office and um bond council to
  2420. 1:44:26 Unknown speaker be able to to understand exactly what
  2421. 1:44:28 Unknown speaker that looks like. I do think it's
  2422. 1:44:29 Unknown speaker possible to narrowly define it. It would
  2423. 1:44:32 Unknown speaker not likely only apply to the sugar mill.
  2424. 1:44:35 Unknown speaker Um which I think is your question.
  2425. 1:44:37 Unknown speaker Yeah. And that really is part of my
  2426. 1:44:38 Unknown speaker concern too is we're not is you're
  2427. 1:44:40 Unknown speaker you're kind of applying this and I don't
  2428. 1:44:42 Unknown speaker blame you for it. I I get trying to
  2429. 1:44:43 Unknown speaker figure this out, right? you're trying to
  2430. 1:44:45 Unknown speaker apply an example that could
  2431. 1:44:46 Unknown speaker theoretically work but in a way that I
  2432. 1:44:49 Unknown speaker am deeply concerned would open up the
  2433. 1:44:50 Unknown speaker code to something that that I am not at
  2434. 1:44:52 Unknown speaker all in supportive of. So what I I I am
  2435. 1:44:56 Unknown speaker cautious about that. Um
  2436. 1:44:59 Unknown speaker that basically was my that that
  2437. 1:45:02 Unknown speaker basically served the question. I mean on
  2438. 1:45:04 Unknown speaker the sugar mill point we don't have a
  2439. 1:45:05 Unknown speaker financing stack yet. We don't know what
  2440. 1:45:06 Unknown speaker that gap looks like. We don't even have
  2441. 1:45:08 Unknown speaker an annex yet, right? So for us to be
  2442. 1:45:10 Unknown speaker framing this as a conversation around
  2443. 1:45:11 Unknown speaker the sugar mill I I don't think I'm there
  2444. 1:45:13 Unknown speaker yet. So thank you. I have a couple more
  2445. 1:45:15 Unknown speaker thoughts later, but I want to hear from
  2446. 1:45:16 Unknown speaker others if
  2447. 1:45:17 Unknown speaker if you if I may. I think essentially we
  2448. 1:45:20 Unknown speaker are looking at how do we approach the
  2449. 1:45:23 Unknown speaker multiple property owners in this area to
  2450. 1:45:25 Unknown speaker understand what is possible. We've had
  2451. 1:45:27 Unknown speaker some conversations. We have a letter of
  2452. 1:45:29 Unknown speaker intent to work together with property
  2453. 1:45:32 Unknown speaker owners in this area. There is an
  2454. 1:45:34 Unknown speaker assumption that there is some sort of
  2455. 1:45:36 Unknown speaker district that helps move that [music]
  2456. 1:45:38 Unknown speaker forward. So one thing that could
  2457. 1:45:40 Unknown speaker potentially be paid for which is
  2458. 1:45:42 Unknown speaker relatively small in terms of advancing
  2459. 1:45:45 Unknown speaker this is an infrastructure master plan.
  2460. 1:45:47 Unknown speaker Could a general improvement district be
  2461. 1:45:50 Unknown speaker the mechanism through which there's
  2462. 1:45:52 Unknown speaker property tax that pays for that?
  2463. 1:45:53 Unknown speaker Absolutely. I think what we want to be
  2464. 1:45:55 Unknown speaker able to do as we enter back into those
  2465. 1:45:57 Unknown speaker conversations as we advance the sugar
  2466. 1:46:00 Unknown speaker mill conversation is is a metro district
  2467. 1:46:03 Unknown speaker on the table at all? Is it an you know
  2468. 1:46:07 Unknown speaker and and certainly it is if it's mixed
  2469. 1:46:09 Unknown speaker use and it meets the criteria that's in
  2470. 1:46:10 Unknown speaker the code today. But I think as we
  2471. 1:46:12 Unknown speaker approach developers um and property
  2472. 1:46:15 Unknown speaker owners in this area to understand what
  2473. 1:46:17 Unknown speaker does it look like and do modeling
  2474. 1:46:19 Unknown speaker related to the tax increment financing
  2475. 1:46:21 Unknown speaker and what it can pay for. I think that
  2476. 1:46:23 Unknown speaker it's helpful for us to understand what
  2477. 1:46:25 Unknown speaker your appetite is if any to to make
  2478. 1:46:28 Unknown speaker changes here. And I know Harold wanted
  2479. 1:46:29 Unknown speaker to jump in.
  2480. 1:46:31 Unknown speaker Yeah. So, I I I I think when we look at
  2481. 1:46:33 Unknown speaker the Sugarmill property, what what we do
  2482. 1:46:35 Unknown speaker know is that the remediation cost is
  2483. 1:46:40 Unknown speaker going to be probably between 30 and $50
  2484. 1:46:42 Unknown speaker million on that project. And so, if we
  2485. 1:46:47 Unknown speaker think of what we're doing at first in
  2486. 1:46:49 Unknown speaker Maine and we had to add $30 to $50
  2487. 1:46:51 Unknown speaker million to that project, we were we
  2488. 1:46:53 Unknown speaker would not be doing it. Um because that's
  2489. 1:46:57 Unknown speaker before you do anything on it. And then
  2490. 1:47:00 Unknown speaker you have the normal development cost.
  2491. 1:47:02 Unknown speaker And so I think one of the the walls that
  2492. 1:47:05 Unknown speaker we keep running into when we're talking
  2493. 1:47:07 Unknown speaker to folks is they keep asking that
  2494. 1:47:09 Unknown speaker question is what tools are available to
  2495. 1:47:11 Unknown speaker to build the capital stackle. And so
  2496. 1:47:13 Unknown speaker there is a there is a question that I
  2497. 1:47:16 Unknown speaker think is generally there to say
  2498. 1:47:20 Unknown speaker you know is it I mean is is there even
  2499. 1:47:22 Unknown speaker an appetite for a GI on this is is a
  2500. 1:47:26 Unknown speaker core question
  2501. 1:47:28 Unknown speaker in this. And then is there an appetite
  2502. 1:47:31 Unknown speaker then where does council sit in terms of
  2503. 1:47:35 Unknown speaker holding the financial piece as a
  2504. 1:47:37 Unknown speaker component organization and and putting
  2505. 1:47:39 Unknown speaker that in there because that really helps
  2506. 1:47:42 Unknown speaker us have the conversation on building the
  2507. 1:47:44 Unknown speaker capital stack. So there's a bit of
  2508. 1:47:46 Unknown speaker wanting to see what is the appetite of
  2509. 1:47:49 Unknown speaker the council on some of these issues to
  2510. 1:47:50 Unknown speaker take this project forward. The other
  2511. 1:47:53 Unknown speaker challenge with this project unlike the
  2512. 1:47:55 Unknown speaker first and main project where we did
  2513. 1:47:57 Unknown speaker issue coops and we're using urban
  2514. 1:47:59 Unknown speaker renewal on
  2515. 1:48:01 Unknown speaker is there's a very narrow period from
  2516. 1:48:03 Unknown speaker when the debt is issued in the project
  2517. 1:48:05 Unknown speaker is going in this case that period's
  2518. 1:48:07 Unknown speaker elongated over time. So whatever
  2519. 1:48:10 Unknown speaker approach is chosen on the sugar mill
  2520. 1:48:13 Unknown speaker project creates a different set of
  2521. 1:48:15 Unknown speaker factors that have to be accounted for.
  2522. 1:48:18 Unknown speaker Um, and those factors are what do we do
  2523. 1:48:19 Unknown speaker from a security standpoint and managing
  2524. 1:48:22 Unknown speaker the property and there's there's no
  2525. 1:48:24 Unknown speaker revenue stream to come in because urban
  2526. 1:48:27 Unknown speaker renewal lags into this. And I think
  2527. 1:48:29 Unknown speaker that's what we're trying to figure out
  2528. 1:48:32 Unknown speaker on on this piece. And then I think the
  2529. 1:48:34 Unknown speaker other piece behind it is how do the
  2530. 1:48:37 Unknown speaker property owners that are adjacent to
  2531. 1:48:39 Unknown speaker this contribute to it because they're
  2532. 1:48:41 Unknown speaker ultimately going to benefit from
  2533. 1:48:44 Unknown speaker the redevelopment of the sugar mill. And
  2534. 1:48:46 Unknown speaker the only mechanisms that we really have
  2535. 1:48:48 Unknown speaker are the mechanisms that we're showing
  2536. 1:48:50 Unknown speaker you today.
  2537. 1:48:51 Unknown speaker Yeah, I am. Yeah, I I have some
  2538. 1:48:54 Unknown speaker additional thoughts, but I'll reserve my
  2539. 1:48:55 Unknown speaker time because I see other lights and I'll
  2540. 1:48:57 Unknown speaker come back and thanks.
  2541. 1:48:59 Unknown speaker Okay. And then that will be your second
  2542. 1:49:00 Unknown speaker time.
  2543. 1:49:00 Unknown speaker That'll be my last. Yes.
  2544. 1:49:02 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Um, Council Member
  2545. 1:49:04 Unknown speaker Christ.
  2546. 1:49:05 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Uh
  2547. 1:49:10 Unknown speaker so my initial reaction when I was
  2548. 1:49:13 Unknown speaker reading the council communication about
  2549. 1:49:16 Unknown speaker the Bo Prey uh farm uh was why don't you
  2550. 1:49:20 Unknown speaker just go more commercial which um I don't
  2551. 1:49:23 Unknown speaker know if it was Mr. Harmon or Mr.
  2552. 1:49:25 Unknown speaker Jacobson that came and said, "Well, that
  2553. 1:49:27 Unknown speaker would that would be a slam dunk." And I
  2554. 1:49:31 Unknown speaker still feel like there should be more
  2555. 1:49:33 Unknown speaker commercial out there and that eventually
  2556. 1:49:36 Unknown speaker the market will change again and
  2557. 1:49:38 Unknown speaker commercial will be more popular. I know
  2558. 1:49:41 Unknown speaker timing is money, time is money. Um but I
  2559. 1:49:46 Unknown speaker think
  2560. 1:49:48 Unknown speaker the thing is when we have rules
  2561. 1:49:52 Unknown speaker um and when we start talking about
  2562. 1:49:54 Unknown speaker varying from those rules we really need
  2563. 1:49:57 Unknown speaker to be convinced that it is necessary
  2564. 1:50:02 Unknown speaker otherwise we are not treating everyone
  2565. 1:50:04 Unknown speaker fairly and equitably. uh we can't um
  2566. 1:50:10 Unknown speaker honor one developer over another because
  2567. 1:50:12 Unknown speaker everybody has some complexity in their
  2568. 1:50:14 Unknown speaker development at this stage of our our
  2569. 1:50:16 Unknown speaker growth. Um and the thing is
  2570. 1:50:22 Unknown speaker to be convinced and this is when we're
  2571. 1:50:23 Unknown speaker just getting into the sugar mill to be
  2572. 1:50:25 Unknown speaker convinced one of the things that it has
  2573. 1:50:27 Unknown speaker to be for the public good not just you
  2574. 1:50:30 Unknown speaker know houses and what have you. has to be
  2575. 1:50:34 Unknown speaker remediating an environmental issue and a
  2576. 1:50:36 Unknown speaker safety issue and you know do we get
  2577. 1:50:39 Unknown speaker enough public benefit that it's worth
  2578. 1:50:42 Unknown speaker coming up with some different constructs
  2579. 1:50:44 Unknown speaker and I don't think the B prey farm fits
  2580. 1:50:47 Unknown speaker that. Um I'm sorry to to disappoint you
  2581. 1:50:50 Unknown speaker in saying that but also um just in
  2582. 1:50:53 Unknown speaker nearby locations I hear a lot of
  2583. 1:50:55 Unknown speaker complaints about metro districts. We
  2584. 1:50:57 Unknown speaker don't have them in town
  2585. 1:50:59 Unknown speaker but we have them near us. you know, I'm
  2586. 1:51:01 Unknown speaker all all the way on the east side. My
  2587. 1:51:02 Unknown speaker ward is so um I do hear about them and
  2588. 1:51:06 Unknown speaker there's a lot of
  2589. 1:51:11 Unknown speaker distrust and dis, you know,
  2590. 1:51:15 Unknown speaker people are just a little um
  2591. 1:51:18 Unknown speaker disillusioned I guess by them because
  2592. 1:51:20 Unknown speaker they don't have any ability to impact
  2593. 1:51:22 Unknown speaker what's going on and they have no input.
  2594. 1:51:26 Unknown speaker So, you know, we were talking about
  2595. 1:51:28 Unknown speaker somebody brought up RTD. It's much like
  2596. 1:51:30 Unknown speaker RTD, how we feel about RTD because a
  2597. 1:51:33 Unknown speaker special district, you know, it takes a
  2598. 1:51:34 Unknown speaker lot of money and then you don't seem to
  2599. 1:51:37 Unknown speaker have a lot of input or um what should I
  2600. 1:51:40 Unknown speaker say influence over how it's spent and
  2601. 1:51:43 Unknown speaker how it affects your your living
  2602. 1:51:44 Unknown speaker scenario. Um,
  2603. 1:51:48 Unknown speaker so generally I'm against any variance
  2604. 1:51:51 Unknown speaker from what we already have on the books
  2605. 1:51:53 Unknown speaker unless it's in favor of the public
  2606. 1:51:55 Unknown speaker interest and not just for housing, but
  2607. 1:51:59 Unknown speaker like for the public, for safety, for,
  2608. 1:52:02 Unknown speaker you know, environment, all of that, all
  2609. 1:52:04 Unknown speaker of those types of topics.
  2610. 1:52:07 Unknown speaker And I do want to clarify, so Village at
  2611. 1:52:09 Unknown speaker the Peaks is a metro district. Um,
  2612. 1:52:12 Unknown speaker Harvest Junction is a metro district and
  2613. 1:52:15 Unknown speaker um, Mountain Brook, I always want to say
  2614. 1:52:18 Unknown speaker Metobrook, but Mountain Brook is a metro
  2615. 1:52:20 Unknown speaker district with um, more than 50% actually
  2616. 1:52:23 Unknown speaker I think pretty much the whole thing is
  2617. 1:52:25 Unknown speaker residential if I'm correct.
  2618. 1:52:27 Unknown speaker Yeah. So, no, I know. I know. But what
  2619. 1:52:29 Unknown speaker I'm saying is we do have metro districts
  2620. 1:52:32 Unknown speaker in here. and I was on council when we
  2621. 1:52:35 Unknown speaker rescended the original um or it wasn't
  2622. 1:52:38 Unknown speaker the original, it was something that was
  2623. 1:52:39 Unknown speaker new and then we turned it around after
  2624. 1:52:42 Unknown speaker the um the Mountain Brook development. I
  2625. 1:52:45 Unknown speaker really wanted to see what the impact is.
  2626. 1:52:47 Unknown speaker you know, as I researched other metro
  2627. 1:52:50 Unknown speaker districts in um Jefferson County and
  2628. 1:52:53 Unknown speaker just different parts of the state, um
  2629. 1:52:56 Unknown speaker Loveland,
  2630. 1:52:58 Unknown speaker uh what I saw was really workforce
  2631. 1:53:01 Unknown speaker housing had a very individuals who
  2632. 1:53:03 Unknown speaker bought in those areas had a very
  2633. 1:53:06 Unknown speaker difficult time staying in their homes
  2634. 1:53:08 Unknown speaker because they were paying just a a
  2635. 1:53:11 Unknown speaker monumental amount of taxes over time.
  2636. 1:53:14 Unknown speaker And so they came in thinking, "Oh, I got
  2637. 1:53:17 Unknown speaker it below market and then over a period
  2638. 1:53:19 Unknown speaker of time they're paying, you know, over
  2639. 1:53:23 Unknown speaker what they can afford um in taxes to
  2640. 1:53:26 Unknown speaker this. Um I would be leaning more towards
  2641. 1:53:29 Unknown speaker a GI because then it's under our
  2642. 1:53:31 Unknown speaker purview. Um metro districts I am not um
  2643. 1:53:36 Unknown speaker in support of. But even looking at even
  2644. 1:53:39 Unknown speaker with the sugar mill like so that was
  2645. 1:53:42 Unknown speaker something you know we have had
  2646. 1:53:43 Unknown speaker discussions on this before that might be
  2647. 1:53:45 Unknown speaker an only option. Um you know I would
  2648. 1:53:48 Unknown speaker really like to explore why what what
  2649. 1:53:50 Unknown speaker could happen. I mean it's really the
  2650. 1:53:52 Unknown speaker appetite of what whoever comes in to
  2651. 1:53:53 Unknown speaker develop that would they have the
  2652. 1:53:56 Unknown speaker appetite to pursue a different different
  2653. 1:53:59 Unknown speaker criteria.
  2654. 1:54:00 Unknown speaker I don't I don't know. Um, as far as the
  2655. 1:54:03 Unknown speaker sugar mill discussion, um, I don't like
  2656. 1:54:06 Unknown speaker the idea of having a blanket metro
  2657. 1:54:08 Unknown speaker district. I was on council when we
  2658. 1:54:11 Unknown speaker tailored it back and it wasn't based on
  2659. 1:54:13 Unknown speaker emotion. It was based, you know, we're
  2660. 1:54:15 Unknown speaker we're elected representatives.
  2661. 1:54:17 Unknown speaker Overwhelmingly, I heard from
  2662. 1:54:18 Unknown speaker constituents that they did not want
  2663. 1:54:21 Unknown speaker their community to be, you know, just
  2664. 1:54:24 Unknown speaker that the development moving forward is
  2665. 1:54:26 Unknown speaker all metro districts. So, we do have um
  2666. 1:54:30 Unknown speaker you know an obligation, a
  2667. 1:54:31 Unknown speaker responsibility, too. I know it doesn't
  2668. 1:54:33 Unknown speaker always feel like it. I hear it all the
  2669. 1:54:35 Unknown speaker time in my emails and calls and which I
  2670. 1:54:37 Unknown speaker did not get a call from that woman who
  2671. 1:54:39 Unknown speaker said he got a call. I don't I did not
  2672. 1:54:41 Unknown speaker see that in my email or in my um
  2673. 1:54:44 Unknown speaker voicemail, but anyways, that's neither
  2674. 1:54:46 Unknown speaker here nor there. Um but yeah, I mean, I
  2675. 1:54:49 Unknown speaker just had to get get that out, get where
  2676. 1:54:51 Unknown speaker I'm at. Um,
  2677. 1:54:54 Unknown speaker you know, there there was a lot of
  2678. 1:54:56 Unknown speaker consideration and debate that happened
  2679. 1:54:58 Unknown speaker when I first got on council around metro
  2680. 1:55:01 Unknown speaker districts and, you know, I was involved
  2681. 1:55:03 Unknown speaker in a great deal of not just community
  2682. 1:55:05 Unknown speaker engagements, but also traveling around
  2683. 1:55:07 Unknown speaker Colorado and seeing, you know, because
  2684. 1:55:10 Unknown speaker we have Taber and Gallagher. Um, I think
  2685. 1:55:14 Unknown speaker it's Taber, but you know, it's we are
  2686. 1:55:18 Unknown speaker more prone to have to depend on items
  2687. 1:55:20 Unknown speaker like metro districts. You know, there's
  2688. 1:55:23 Unknown speaker just there's a lot of issues that we
  2689. 1:55:25 Unknown speaker need to deal with statewide, but what I
  2690. 1:55:29 Unknown speaker am hearing overwhelmingly, and this is a
  2691. 1:55:30 Unknown speaker long way to get back to, our residents
  2692. 1:55:33 Unknown speaker have said time and time again to me that
  2693. 1:55:36 Unknown speaker they are not interested in having their
  2694. 1:55:38 Unknown speaker community be turned over to Metro
  2695. 1:55:39 Unknown speaker Districts. So, um, I'll need more time
  2696. 1:55:42 Unknown speaker to think about how that would look like
  2697. 1:55:44 Unknown speaker for a space like Sugar Mill or even
  2698. 1:55:47 Unknown speaker places with significant infrastructure
  2699. 1:55:50 Unknown speaker and remediation as in the title, but
  2700. 1:55:53 Unknown speaker that is where I stand today tonight. Um,
  2701. 1:55:56 Unknown speaker Council Member Marcen.
  2702. 1:55:57 Unknown speaker All right, Mayor, this is my second time
  2703. 1:55:59 Unknown speaker and my final time, so I really want to
  2704. 1:56:01 Unknown speaker make it really clear, too. I got to get
  2705. 1:56:02 Unknown speaker it out here. Uh,
  2706. 1:56:04 Unknown speaker I do not I'm I'm with the mayor. I do
  2707. 1:56:06 Unknown speaker not support loosening our restrictions
  2708. 1:56:07 Unknown speaker in the slightest on residential metro
  2709. 1:56:09 Unknown speaker districts. And really for me, this is
  2710. 1:56:10 Unknown speaker not a maybe if we get the guardrails
  2711. 1:56:12 Unknown speaker right, maybe if we sunset it, maybe this
  2712. 1:56:15 Unknown speaker is an unequivocal no. Um, our current
  2713. 1:56:17 Unknown speaker policy exists for a reason. And I
  2714. 1:56:19 Unknown speaker appreciate council member Christensen as
  2715. 1:56:21 Unknown speaker well as former mayor Pek for coming out
  2716. 1:56:22 Unknown speaker and speaking to those as well as the
  2717. 1:56:25 Unknown speaker mayor for speaking to those
  2718. 1:56:26 Unknown speaker conversations that happened in the past.
  2719. 1:56:28 Unknown speaker Um, at the end of the day, whether the
  2720. 1:56:30 Unknown speaker developer takes on the debt financing
  2721. 1:56:32 Unknown speaker through a metro district, whether we
  2722. 1:56:33 Unknown speaker take it on through a GI, um, somebody
  2723. 1:56:36 Unknown speaker has to pay for the development costs and
  2724. 1:56:38 Unknown speaker under a metro district, it's the
  2725. 1:56:39 Unknown speaker developer passing it off to, um, the
  2726. 1:56:42 Unknown speaker folks who live there. A metro district
  2727. 1:56:43 Unknown speaker doesn't make the infrastructure free.
  2728. 1:56:45 Unknown speaker Shifts the bill onto the people who live
  2729. 1:56:47 Unknown speaker and operate there. And I would rather
  2730. 1:56:49 Unknown speaker that conversation come from us through
  2731. 1:56:51 Unknown speaker the form of a GD when it comes to the
  2732. 1:56:53 Unknown speaker sugar factory than I would uh asking
  2733. 1:56:55 Unknown speaker basically or giving a developer
  2734. 1:56:57 Unknown speaker essentially a blank check and saying,
  2735. 1:56:59 Unknown speaker you know, let your residents pick up the
  2736. 1:57:00 Unknown speaker tab later on. Um, so to council member
  2737. 1:57:03 Unknown speaker Chris's point, I I also really haven't
  2738. 1:57:04 Unknown speaker heard a reason why we should reverse the
  2739. 1:57:06 Unknown speaker policy because the the clearest example
  2740. 1:57:07 Unknown speaker in the packet is not actually the sugar
  2741. 1:57:10 Unknown speaker factory of how this will play out. It's
  2742. 1:57:12 Unknown speaker who we heard from tonight on Bo Farm.
  2743. 1:57:14 Unknown speaker And again, no offense to the folks that
  2744. 1:57:15 Unknown speaker want to see that redeveloped. um
  2745. 1:57:18 Unknown speaker developers telling us that that without
  2746. 1:57:19 Unknown speaker a metro district their project doesn't
  2747. 1:57:21 Unknown speaker pencil. I expect that if we were to
  2748. 1:57:24 Unknown speaker create an exception in the code, we
  2749. 1:57:25 Unknown speaker would get that a lot. Um we would hear
  2750. 1:57:28 Unknown speaker that a lot and my answer unfortunately
  2751. 1:57:29 Unknown speaker gentlemen is that if Boe Farm or any
  2752. 1:57:31 Unknown speaker other private development doesn't pencil
  2753. 1:57:32 Unknown speaker without a residential metro district,
  2754. 1:57:34 Unknown speaker then it shouldn't be built in its
  2755. 1:57:36 Unknown speaker current form. Um because you know the
  2756. 1:57:39 Unknown speaker city does not have an obligation to make
  2757. 1:57:41 Unknown speaker every development pencil. We have
  2758. 1:57:43 Unknown speaker decided as a group here that the sugar
  2759. 1:57:45 Unknown speaker factory is a core uh redevelopment
  2760. 1:57:47 Unknown speaker priority for us. We will I I look
  2761. 1:57:49 Unknown speaker forward to hopefully working through a
  2762. 1:57:51 Unknown speaker GI process on that issue. Um so that the
  2763. 1:57:55 Unknown speaker the sugar factory or not is really not
  2764. 1:57:57 Unknown speaker the choice in front of us. I the
  2765. 1:58:00 Unknown speaker question that's been presented is should
  2766. 1:58:01 Unknown speaker we reopen residential metro districts
  2767. 1:58:03 Unknown speaker and my position is simple. The answer is
  2768. 1:58:04 Unknown speaker no. Um I don't support asking staff to
  2769. 1:58:07 Unknown speaker move forward. So thank you mayor.
  2770. 1:58:08 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um mayor prom.
  2771. 1:58:11 Unknown speaker Thank you, mayor.
  2772. 1:58:13 Unknown speaker When I was on council the first time,
  2773. 1:58:15 Unknown speaker this is what really soured me on metro
  2774. 1:58:17 Unknown speaker districts was people have a short
  2775. 1:58:19 Unknown speaker memory. They really do. They forget why
  2776. 1:58:22 Unknown speaker they're getting taxed at a different
  2777. 1:58:24 Unknown speaker rate than other uh areas of the
  2778. 1:58:26 Unknown speaker community. It creates a a disparity
  2779. 1:58:29 Unknown speaker between uh community uh sectors and and
  2780. 1:58:35 Unknown speaker areas of town. And I just really don't
  2781. 1:58:37 Unknown speaker think that metro districts do anything
  2782. 1:58:40 Unknown speaker other than uh just allow the developer
  2783. 1:58:43 Unknown speaker to uh to kind of control taxes. uh you
  2784. 1:58:48 Unknown speaker know out in um over near fire station 5
  2785. 1:58:52 Unknown speaker there was a metro district there and we
  2786. 1:58:55 Unknown speaker had to uh go ahead and change uh the
  2787. 1:58:59 Unknown speaker people came forward and were were really
  2788. 1:59:01 Unknown speaker upset and they were really struggling to
  2789. 1:59:03 Unknown speaker what the mayor was uh pointing out there
  2790. 1:59:06 Unknown speaker and and in the end we we took on that
  2791. 1:59:11 Unknown speaker that debt as a city uh and and and
  2792. 1:59:16 Unknown speaker relieve them of that and spread that
  2793. 1:59:17 Unknown speaker out. I don't like to do those things. I
  2794. 1:59:21 Unknown speaker like to do it right the first time and
  2795. 1:59:23 Unknown speaker not uh not try to peacemail it and try
  2796. 1:59:26 Unknown speaker to explain to people who move there 20
  2797. 1:59:29 Unknown speaker years later why they're still paying
  2798. 1:59:31 Unknown speaker that much more. I I just think there's
  2799. 1:59:33 Unknown speaker an equity issue as well. So I there's no
  2800. 1:59:36 Unknown speaker reason for this. You know, development
  2801. 1:59:39 Unknown speaker has to pay its own way. And if you can't
  2802. 1:59:42 Unknown speaker pencil it, as Council Member Mars said,
  2803. 1:59:44 Unknown speaker then you gotta get a clue. You got to
  2804. 1:59:47 Unknown speaker get a reality check that uh you know,
  2805. 1:59:50 Unknown speaker this is uh we're not here to to accept
  2806. 1:59:53 Unknown speaker every development as uh presented. Uh
  2807. 1:59:56 Unknown speaker you have to come up with something
  2808. 1:59:58 Unknown speaker unique and uh I don't know that u you
  2809. 2:00:02 Unknown speaker know, whatever is going out there is
  2810. 2:00:04 Unknown speaker something I would have supported. I I
  2811. 2:00:06 Unknown speaker wouldn't probably even considered it out
  2812. 2:00:09 Unknown speaker there at Bo Prey Farm. So, I'm not going
  2813. 2:00:12 Unknown speaker to be supporting this now.
  2814. 2:00:13 Unknown speaker Okay. Moving forward. Thank you. Um
  2815. 2:00:16 Unknown speaker number three, that would be Council
  2816. 2:00:18 Unknown speaker Member Prietto.
  2817. 2:00:20 Unknown speaker Can we let Popkin go first?
  2818. 2:00:24 Unknown speaker I thought he was.
  2819. 2:00:27 Unknown speaker Council member Popkin.
  2820. 2:00:31 Unknown speaker I thought Council Member Prito was going
  2821. 2:00:32 Unknown speaker before me. Um thank you. I'm largely
  2822. 2:00:35 Unknown speaker sympathetic to a lot of uh the comments
  2823. 2:00:37 Unknown speaker that my fellow council members have
  2824. 2:00:38 Unknown speaker made. So I I will just add maybe or ask
  2825. 2:00:40 Unknown speaker maybe one one question here. So the the
  2826. 2:00:43 Unknown speaker the change propo proposed here was
  2827. 2:00:47 Unknown speaker specific to more flexibility I guess in
  2828. 2:00:50 Unknown speaker the if if there was a for for
  2829. 2:00:54 Unknown speaker residential districts specifically,
  2830. 2:00:55 Unknown speaker right?
  2831. 2:00:57 Unknown speaker I think what I was attempting to propose
  2832. 2:01:00 Unknown speaker is is there any flexibility that you're
  2833. 2:01:02 Unknown speaker interested in seeing? So if there's a
  2834. 2:01:04 Unknown speaker different percentage potentially for
  2835. 2:01:06 Unknown speaker mixed use um the Bo pre farms example is
  2836. 2:01:09 Unknown speaker mixed use. So I think it's about 25%
  2837. 2:01:12 Unknown speaker commercial and
  2838. 2:01:14 Unknown speaker we don't yet know related to the sugar
  2839. 2:01:17 Unknown speaker mill. Uh we assume that it will be mixed
  2840. 2:01:19 Unknown speaker use and there will be commercial as well
  2841. 2:01:20 Unknown speaker as residential. So it wasn't that it was
  2842. 2:01:22 Unknown speaker a an expansion. I did want to note as
  2843. 2:01:25 Unknown speaker part of bringing this forward that there
  2844. 2:01:27 Unknown speaker is a prohibition on residential only
  2845. 2:01:29 Unknown speaker metropolitan districts and just wanted
  2846. 2:01:31 Unknown speaker to highlight that. That's what I want to
  2847. 2:01:32 Unknown speaker clarify. I certainly hope it's going to
  2848. 2:01:34 Unknown speaker be mixed use because we're working on a
  2849. 2:01:36 Unknown speaker zone that would be mixeduse innovation
  2850. 2:01:37 Unknown speaker redevelopment. So, it would be um uh
  2851. 2:01:41 Unknown speaker unexpected if that was the case. So,
  2852. 2:01:45 Unknown speaker really, we're just and and so any
  2853. 2:01:47 Unknown speaker development that wanted to use a metro
  2854. 2:01:50 Unknown speaker district or other type of special
  2855. 2:01:52 Unknown speaker district could do that under our current
  2856. 2:01:54 Unknown speaker code without changes if it's a if it
  2857. 2:01:56 Unknown speaker meets the 50/50 mark for resident for
  2858. 2:01:59 Unknown speaker mixed use. Correct. Right. And it's a
  2859. 2:02:01 Unknown speaker higher threshold to cross, right, for a
  2860. 2:02:03 Unknown speaker lot of the very reasons that I think my
  2861. 2:02:04 Unknown speaker fellow council members and the mayor
  2862. 2:02:06 Unknown speaker spoke to. But that's correct, right?
  2863. 2:02:08 Unknown speaker That that tool exists, but for limited
  2864. 2:02:11 Unknown speaker purposes.
  2865. 2:02:12 Unknown speaker That's correct.
  2866. 2:02:14 Unknown speaker Yeah. I think part of it, the plans that
  2867. 2:02:16 Unknown speaker we've seen to date on the sugar mill
  2868. 2:02:18 Unknown speaker probably do cross the threshold of the
  2869. 2:02:20 Unknown speaker 50% and and that's very much in our
  2870. 2:02:23 Unknown speaker mind. If council is willing to look at
  2871. 2:02:26 Unknown speaker the GD,
  2872. 2:02:28 Unknown speaker it's a different tool that'll get us to
  2873. 2:02:30 Unknown speaker the same area. There's just other
  2874. 2:02:32 Unknown speaker components to it. So, that's part of
  2875. 2:02:34 Unknown speaker what was in the conversation.
  2876. 2:02:36 Unknown speaker And understanding that there's
  2877. 2:02:38 Unknown speaker additional parcels adjacent to the sugar
  2878. 2:02:40 Unknown speaker mill that would be included in it. So,
  2879. 2:02:43 Unknown speaker you know, I think
  2880. 2:02:45 Unknown speaker um it's clear where you are on the the
  2881. 2:02:47 Unknown speaker metro district or at least I'm seeing
  2882. 2:02:48 Unknown speaker four nodding their head. Um
  2883. 2:02:52 Unknown speaker my next question would be back to this
  2884. 2:02:55 Unknown speaker in terms of the sugar mill. Are the
  2885. 2:02:57 Unknown speaker other options available if we do have a
  2886. 2:03:00 Unknown speaker consensus on council that they don't
  2887. 2:03:02 Unknown speaker want to move in the metro district
  2888. 2:03:04 Unknown speaker space? [snorts]
  2889. 2:03:05 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2890. 2:03:05 Unknown speaker Yeah. Thank you. I guess the one last
  2891. 2:03:07 Unknown speaker comment I'll make on to that I guess
  2892. 2:03:10 Unknown speaker question here is I think largely aligned
  2893. 2:03:11 Unknown speaker with where council member Mars is on
  2894. 2:03:13 Unknown speaker this of if we have a better sense of the
  2895. 2:03:15 Unknown speaker financial stack and understand the needs
  2896. 2:03:16 Unknown speaker we're really filling and the
  2897. 2:03:18 Unknown speaker infrastructure gaps whether it's on the
  2898. 2:03:19 Unknown speaker sugar mill or other substantial or you
  2899. 2:03:22 Unknown speaker know uh extraordinary projects that's a
  2900. 2:03:25 Unknown speaker different conversation thank you
  2901. 2:03:29 Unknown speaker okay council member Brito
  2902. 2:03:31 Unknown speaker thank you mayor um
  2903. 2:03:34 Unknown speaker couple simple questions that I'm not
  2904. 2:03:36 Unknown speaker familiar with metro districts. So, I'm
  2905. 2:03:38 Unknown speaker just curious. I know that the concern is
  2906. 2:03:41 Unknown speaker putting the cost on the residents and
  2907. 2:03:43 Unknown speaker from what I read in the packet, many
  2908. 2:03:45 Unknown speaker times metro districts kind of cover the
  2909. 2:03:47 Unknown speaker same type of maintenance stuff as HOAs
  2910. 2:03:50 Unknown speaker do. And so, like my concern would be
  2911. 2:03:54 Unknown speaker someone's paying an HOA fee and a fee to
  2912. 2:03:57 Unknown speaker the metro district. And I'm just curious
  2913. 2:03:59 Unknown speaker if [cough and clears throat]
  2914. 2:04:01 Unknown speaker if there has been ever a way or if
  2915. 2:04:03 Unknown speaker anybody's ever asked this question or if
  2916. 2:04:05 Unknown speaker it's even possible to have the metro
  2917. 2:04:09 Unknown speaker district and then but not have the HOA
  2918. 2:04:11 Unknown speaker because they're already maintaining but
  2919. 2:04:14 Unknown speaker then the HOA kick in after the metro
  2920. 2:04:16 Unknown speaker district sunsets and then so it's
  2921. 2:04:18 Unknown speaker essentially like one fee similar to what
  2922. 2:04:21 Unknown speaker someone would pay for HOA
  2923. 2:04:24 Unknown speaker and but they're not getting charged
  2924. 2:04:26 Unknown speaker double.
  2925. 2:04:28 Unknown speaker Yeah, that's a great um question,
  2926. 2:04:29 Unknown speaker council member. So, HOAs are private
  2927. 2:04:31 Unknown speaker covenants between the different
  2928. 2:04:33 Unknown speaker homeowners in the development. So, it's
  2929. 2:04:34 Unknown speaker not something that governments uh
  2930. 2:04:36 Unknown speaker regulate in that sense because it's just
  2931. 2:04:38 Unknown speaker a contract between different um members
  2932. 2:04:41 Unknown speaker of in the community. Um that being said,
  2933. 2:04:44 Unknown speaker I think that there could be an
  2934. 2:04:45 Unknown speaker opportunity to discuss that. Usually,
  2935. 2:04:46 Unknown speaker there's an IGA between the city and the
  2936. 2:04:49 Unknown speaker metro district. Maybe there's a way to
  2937. 2:04:50 Unknown speaker start talking about when different fees
  2938. 2:04:52 Unknown speaker kick in. Um, now most of the time metro
  2939. 2:04:54 Unknown speaker districts do cover some similar things,
  2940. 2:04:56 Unknown speaker but they also cover the the buildout.
  2941. 2:04:59 Unknown speaker It's like the payment of putting in
  2942. 2:05:00 Unknown speaker things in the ground as as you probably
  2943. 2:05:02 Unknown speaker know. It looks like you're nodding so
  2944. 2:05:03 Unknown speaker you understand that part. Um, and then
  2945. 2:05:04 Unknown speaker the continued maintenance of that. Um,
  2946. 2:05:07 Unknown speaker the double payment thing. Um, I think
  2947. 2:05:10 Unknown speaker that most and I and I could be wrong, so
  2948. 2:05:12 Unknown speaker please correct me if I'm wrong if anyone
  2949. 2:05:14 Unknown speaker knows, but most metro districts that I
  2950. 2:05:16 Unknown speaker have seen, they switch over to an HOA to
  2951. 2:05:18 Unknown speaker continue the maintenance of and have
  2952. 2:05:20 Unknown speaker this separate board separate than the
  2953. 2:05:22 Unknown speaker metro district, whereas the metro
  2954. 2:05:24 Unknown speaker district kind of kicks up in the
  2955. 2:05:25 Unknown speaker beginning to pay off those um public
  2956. 2:05:27 Unknown speaker infrastructure improvements. Um, they
  2957. 2:05:30 Unknown speaker shouldn't be double charging for the
  2958. 2:05:32 Unknown speaker same exact service. Um, but that doesn't
  2959. 2:05:34 Unknown speaker mean that there isn't some sort of
  2960. 2:05:35 Unknown speaker covenant that says that these guys are
  2961. 2:05:37 Unknown speaker going to pay for this and and the metro
  2962. 2:05:39 Unknown speaker district is going to pay for um the
  2963. 2:05:41 Unknown speaker ongoing [clears throat] maintenance of
  2964. 2:05:42 Unknown speaker things like the sewer and the lights and
  2965. 2:05:44 Unknown speaker that sort of thing.
  2966. 2:05:47 Unknown speaker Does it answer your question?
  2967. 2:05:48 Unknown speaker It does. It does. Um, so I think like we
  2968. 2:05:52 Unknown speaker could be creative in in how
  2969. 2:05:55 Unknown speaker that kicks in or who's covering what
  2970. 2:05:58 Unknown speaker costs and how HOA justifies the cost
  2971. 2:06:01 Unknown speaker they're covering if the metro district's
  2972. 2:06:03 Unknown speaker already covering major infrastructure.
  2973. 2:06:06 Unknown speaker Well, and the way that you would do it
  2974. 2:06:08 Unknown speaker is um so HOAs again are like private or
  2975. 2:06:10 Unknown speaker contracts between the different um
  2976. 2:06:12 Unknown speaker people who live there. It would be the
  2977. 2:06:14 Unknown speaker discussions with the metro district
  2978. 2:06:15 Unknown speaker itself.
  2979. 2:06:15 Unknown speaker Okay.
  2980. 2:06:16 Unknown speaker And I think Jen was going to add
  2981. 2:06:17 Unknown speaker something.
  2982. 2:06:19 Unknown speaker So, part of the regulations that are in
  2983. 2:06:21 Unknown speaker the code um say that the mill levies
  2984. 2:06:24 Unknown speaker will terminate when the bonds are no
  2985. 2:06:25 Unknown speaker longer outstanding unless the district
  2986. 2:06:27 Unknown speaker demonstrates to the satisfaction of the
  2987. 2:06:29 Unknown speaker city council and a majority of residents
  2988. 2:06:31 Unknown speaker and property owners that maintenance of
  2989. 2:06:33 Unknown speaker district improvements by continuing the
  2990. 2:06:35 Unknown speaker operating mill levy is preferable to
  2991. 2:06:37 Unknown speaker other options including an owner's fee
  2992. 2:06:39 Unknown speaker and the council approves a service plan
  2993. 2:06:41 Unknown speaker amendment and continuing the mill levy
  2994. 2:06:42 Unknown speaker for that purpose. So it assumes that it
  2995. 2:06:45 Unknown speaker is actually going to sunset and that
  2996. 2:06:47 Unknown speaker that continuing operation piece probably
  2997. 2:06:50 Unknown speaker is not maintained by the metropolitan
  2998. 2:06:54 Unknown speaker district. Hopefully that answers your
  2999. 2:06:55 Unknown speaker question.
  3000. 2:06:56 Unknown speaker It does. It does. Thank you. And then is
  3001. 2:06:58 Unknown speaker there a way to limit
  3002. 2:07:02 Unknown speaker um
  3003. 2:07:04 Unknown speaker the
  3004. 2:07:06 Unknown speaker develop well the metro district just
  3005. 2:07:08 Unknown speaker covering the initial infrastructure
  3006. 2:07:11 Unknown speaker costs that to to allow a land to be
  3007. 2:07:16 Unknown speaker developable. So like if X Y and Z are
  3008. 2:07:20 Unknown speaker required to even get this land. So when
  3009. 2:07:23 Unknown speaker we talk about the sugar mill, right? A
  3010. 2:07:24 Unknown speaker lot of the remediation that needs to
  3011. 2:07:26 Unknown speaker happen to even have that land ready and
  3012. 2:07:28 Unknown speaker available for a developer to build on.
  3013. 2:07:30 Unknown speaker Could it be limited to just that portion
  3014. 2:07:34 Unknown speaker of the work versus allowing for the
  3015. 2:07:37 Unknown speaker whole development?
  3016. 2:07:39 Unknown speaker It could.
  3017. 2:07:41 Unknown speaker Yeah, they
  3018. 2:07:43 Unknown speaker answer is yes. It's dependent on the
  3019. 2:07:45 Unknown speaker council that's setting in terms of how
  3020. 2:07:47 Unknown speaker they set the parameters and the
  3021. 2:07:48 Unknown speaker framework within that agreement.
  3022. 2:07:50 Unknown speaker Okay. It's about the service plan itself
  3023. 2:07:52 Unknown speaker and how you pro service plan is kind of
  3024. 2:07:54 Unknown speaker like a restricting measure like you only
  3025. 2:07:56 Unknown speaker do these certain things that are allowed
  3026. 2:07:57 Unknown speaker in the service plan.
  3027. 2:07:59 Unknown speaker Yeah. And and essentially like um the
  3028. 2:08:01 Unknown speaker way I'm thinking about this is the city
  3029. 2:08:02 Unknown speaker does not have a whole lot of land to be
  3030. 2:08:04 Unknown speaker developed and I would assume that many
  3031. 2:08:06 Unknown speaker of the projects would not fall under
  3032. 2:08:08 Unknown speaker [laughter] a definition of developments
  3033. 2:08:11 Unknown speaker facing extraordinary infrastructure.
  3034. 2:08:14 Unknown speaker um given
  3035. 2:08:16 Unknown speaker um our inability to update significant
  3036. 2:08:18 Unknown speaker infrastructure improvements and
  3037. 2:08:20 Unknown speaker developers inability to take on
  3038. 2:08:21 Unknown speaker significant costs unrelated to specific
  3039. 2:08:23 Unknown speaker developments but needed to be able to
  3040. 2:08:26 Unknown speaker develop. I would be interested in in
  3041. 2:08:30 Unknown speaker setting parameters, but I don't know if
  3042. 2:08:32 Unknown speaker it's worth even mentioning what those
  3043. 2:08:34 Unknown speaker parameters are if it seems like a
  3044. 2:08:36 Unknown speaker majority of my council is not interested
  3045. 2:08:38 Unknown speaker in that. Um, I think the metropolitan
  3046. 2:08:41 Unknown speaker like the metro district is is still
  3047. 2:08:43 Unknown speaker charging taxes to residents. Um, so I
  3048. 2:08:47 Unknown speaker don't see what the I I think the the
  3049. 2:08:50 Unknown speaker concern I'm hearing is residents are
  3050. 2:08:51 Unknown speaker going to continue to be charged an
  3051. 2:08:54 Unknown speaker additional tax on top of what their HOAs
  3052. 2:08:56 Unknown speaker would be. I don't see what the
  3053. 2:08:58 Unknown speaker difference is with the metro district if
  3054. 2:09:01 Unknown speaker we can set parameters in place like
  3055. 2:09:04 Unknown speaker sunset dates. Um, and I'll just mention
  3056. 2:09:07 Unknown speaker a couple like, you know, infrastructure
  3057. 2:09:09 Unknown speaker eligibility, financial justification,
  3058. 2:09:12 Unknown speaker requiring a development or a developer
  3059. 2:09:14 Unknown speaker to demonstrate why the financing is
  3060. 2:09:16 Unknown speaker necessary supported by like an
  3061. 2:09:18 Unknown speaker independent financial analysis,
  3062. 2:09:20 Unknown speaker homeowner protections, t tax
  3063. 2:09:23 Unknown speaker limitations, regional cost sharing, and
  3064. 2:09:25 Unknown speaker public benefit. Like I I think there's a
  3065. 2:09:28 Unknown speaker way to do it and and when we talk about
  3066. 2:09:30 Unknown speaker some of these projects, it seems like it
  3067. 2:09:32 Unknown speaker might be the only way. Um,
  3068. 2:09:35 Unknown speaker and so yeah, so that's my position on
  3069. 2:09:37 Unknown speaker it. I'm happy to discuss that with
  3070. 2:09:42 Unknown speaker anybody who might be interested, but it
  3071. 2:09:43 Unknown speaker doesn't seem like that is the case. So,
  3072. 2:09:45 Unknown speaker um, but I just I do want to reiterate
  3073. 2:09:47 Unknown speaker that
  3074. 2:09:49 Unknown speaker the, you know, if if we're serious about
  3075. 2:09:52 Unknown speaker the sugar mill or, you know, even
  3076. 2:09:54 Unknown speaker reading about the development that was
  3077. 2:09:56 Unknown speaker proposed tonight and and some of the
  3078. 2:09:58 Unknown speaker challenges that they're facing, the the
  3079. 2:10:00 Unknown speaker city does not have like the financial
  3080. 2:10:03 Unknown speaker capability to to do all that all at once
  3081. 2:10:08 Unknown speaker and it it does improve the surrounding
  3082. 2:10:10 Unknown speaker [clears throat] neighborhoods. So, thank
  3083. 2:10:12 Unknown speaker you. Thank you. Uh, Council Member
  3084. 2:10:14 Unknown speaker Coloffer.
  3085. 2:10:15 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, so one way or
  3086. 2:10:17 Unknown speaker another, the residents paying, so
  3087. 2:10:19 Unknown speaker they're either paying on the front end
  3088. 2:10:21 Unknown speaker or they're paying on the back end. And
  3089. 2:10:23 Unknown speaker I'm not a fan of people not knowing what
  3090. 2:10:25 Unknown speaker they're getting themselves into. Yeah,
  3091. 2:10:27 Unknown speaker sure. There's a disclosure, but I don't
  3092. 2:10:29 Unknown speaker know the last time somebody closed on a
  3093. 2:10:31 Unknown speaker house, there's thousands of pages that
  3094. 2:10:33 Unknown speaker you have to say that you read an initial
  3095. 2:10:35 Unknown speaker sometimes uh very quickly. So, yeah, I
  3096. 2:10:38 Unknown speaker get it. It's a there's a disclosure, but
  3097. 2:10:40 Unknown speaker when somebody it's their first time
  3098. 2:10:41 Unknown speaker buying a house, it's really hard for
  3099. 2:10:43 Unknown speaker them to go through that. I would ma much
  3100. 2:10:45 Unknown speaker rather, you know, that be built into the
  3101. 2:10:48 Unknown speaker cost of the house, so they know what
  3102. 2:10:50 Unknown speaker they're getting themselves into. They're
  3103. 2:10:51 Unknown speaker paying for it on their mortgage and it's
  3104. 2:10:53 Unknown speaker set, you know, for 30 years. And, you
  3105. 2:10:56 Unknown speaker know, with taxes going up and, you know,
  3106. 2:11:00 Unknown speaker I'm not a fan of I'm not a fan of it.
  3107. 2:11:03 Unknown speaker Long story longer. Um, I'm fine with
  3108. 2:11:05 Unknown speaker where it is. I'm interested to see what
  3109. 2:11:08 Unknown speaker other tools we have available for sugar
  3110. 2:11:09 Unknown speaker mill like JS. Um but I'm not a fan of
  3111. 2:11:12 Unknown speaker changing where we are right now.
  3112. 2:11:18 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  3113. 2:11:20 Unknown speaker Do you need something else from us? Yes.
  3114. 2:11:22 Unknown speaker Yeah. Go ahead.
  3115. 2:11:23 Unknown speaker I do. So, as we're heading into the
  3116. 2:11:28 Unknown speaker negotiations for the development then of
  3117. 2:11:31 Unknown speaker the sugar mill, I want to be very I want
  3118. 2:11:34 Unknown speaker a clear direction from council.
  3119. 2:11:37 Unknown speaker Is it okay for us to look at GID's
  3120. 2:11:41 Unknown speaker special assessments and business improve
  3121. 2:11:45 Unknown speaker improvement districts
  3122. 2:11:47 Unknown speaker in the modeling of that capital stack?
  3123. 2:11:51 Unknown speaker I Yes. Yes. Yes.
  3124. 2:11:53 Unknown speaker You want thumbs up?
  3125. 2:11:54 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3126. 2:11:55 Unknown speaker Yeah, thumbs up. Just because you see
  3127. 2:11:57 Unknown speaker the you see the interplay. It's the same
  3128. 2:11:59 Unknown speaker assessment. So that's where these start
  3129. 2:12:01 Unknown speaker coming in.
  3130. 2:12:02 Unknown speaker So if if that's really the direction,
  3131. 2:12:04 Unknown speaker then that's where we're going to focus
  3132. 2:12:05 Unknown speaker our attention.
  3133. 2:12:06 Unknown speaker Okay, great. And then I I do see council
  3134. 2:12:09 Unknown speaker member Popkin in the queue. Go ahead.
  3135. 2:12:12 Unknown speaker Just a quick clarification on that. I
  3136. 2:12:13 Unknown speaker mean, I would still say that a metro
  3137. 2:12:15 Unknown speaker district that meets the mixed use piece
  3138. 2:12:17 Unknown speaker in our current code is eligible. I
  3139. 2:12:20 Unknown speaker didn't we just aren't changing the
  3140. 2:12:22 Unknown speaker current current status. Yeah, I just
  3141. 2:12:24 Unknown speaker wanted to be clear that that's there.
  3142. 2:12:25 Unknown speaker And then just one clarifying question
  3143. 2:12:26 Unknown speaker based on what council member Prito was
  3144. 2:12:28 Unknown speaker asking. Um,
  3145. 2:12:31 Unknown speaker I've heard from a lot of residents about
  3146. 2:12:32 Unknown speaker the concerns about HOA fees and I think
  3147. 2:12:34 Unknown speaker building on Council Member Koffer's
  3148. 2:12:36 Unknown speaker point, those aren't built into a
  3149. 2:12:38 Unknown speaker mortgage and those are separately
  3150. 2:12:40 Unknown speaker governed and I'm just wondering if
  3151. 2:12:42 Unknown speaker there's would we have more control
  3152. 2:12:45 Unknown speaker if if
  3153. 2:12:47 Unknown speaker there weren't HOA fees but it was in a
  3154. 2:12:50 Unknown speaker metro district.
  3155. 2:12:54 Unknown speaker Yeah. So HOAs um are contracts between
  3156. 2:12:57 Unknown speaker the homeowners that buy into that
  3157. 2:12:58 Unknown speaker property. So the council doesn't really
  3158. 2:13:00 Unknown speaker have say over those just because it is
  3159. 2:13:03 Unknown speaker like between the homeowners and what
  3160. 2:13:05 Unknown speaker they could say there. But
  3161. 2:13:05 Unknown speaker but you said we had rules. We could set
  3162. 2:13:07 Unknown speaker rules for the metro district. Can we
  3163. 2:13:08 Unknown speaker prohibit an HOA fee
  3164. 2:13:10 Unknown speaker or HOA formations within a metro
  3165. 2:13:12 Unknown speaker district?
  3166. 2:13:13 Unknown speaker You know, I haven't looked into that
  3167. 2:13:14 Unknown speaker question. I'd have to get back to you on
  3168. 2:13:15 Unknown speaker that.
  3169. 2:13:15 Unknown speaker I would welcome that. Thank you.
  3170. 2:13:16 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3171. 2:13:21 Unknown speaker Thank you. Is there anything else on
  3172. 2:13:23 Unknown speaker this presentation
  3173. 2:13:25 Unknown speaker or that's it?
  3174. 2:13:27 Unknown speaker No, I got the direction I needed to move
  3175. 2:13:28 Unknown speaker forward on the
  3176. 2:13:29 Unknown speaker Perfect. I just want to make sure and
  3177. 2:13:31 Unknown speaker before we go on to update to Longmont
  3178. 2:13:34 Unknown speaker Cares rent rebate, do we need a fivem
  3179. 2:13:36 Unknown speaker minute break?
  3180. 2:13:37 Unknown speaker Okay, let's do it. Take a five.
  3181. 2:14:00 Unknown speaker I'm going
  3182. 2:14:06 Unknown speaker to
  3183. 2:14:12 Unknown speaker Yeah.
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  3204. 2:21:27 Unknown speaker Okay. Can council make their way back to
  3205. 2:21:29 Unknown speaker their seats, please?
  3206. 2:21:30 Unknown speaker I don't know enough.
  3207. 2:21:32 Unknown speaker Okay. You don't know enough? Okay.
  3208. 2:21:37 Unknown speaker Mayor Prom, make your way back to your
  3209. 2:21:39 Unknown speaker seat. [laughter]
  3210. 2:21:44 Unknown speaker Oh yeah. And wait, wait, wait. Where's
  3211. 2:21:45 Unknown speaker Council Member Marcen? Get him, too. So,
  3212. 2:21:49 Unknown speaker yeah. Somebody loop him up here. Swoop
  3213. 2:21:52 Unknown speaker him up. Get him out of here. [laughter]
  3214. 2:21:55 Unknown speaker Okay. So, um I'm going to go ahead and
  3215. 2:21:57 Unknown speaker kick it to um Becky Doyle. Um what is
  3216. 2:22:02 Unknown speaker your title? [laughter]
  3217. 2:22:04 Unknown speaker Like, wait, it's Lance Smith. You are
  3218. 2:22:06 Unknown speaker not Lance Smith. I'm
  3219. 2:22:07 Unknown speaker not.
  3220. 2:22:08 Unknown speaker Okay. So, [laughter]
  3221. 2:22:10 Unknown speaker He he'll he'll be here in just a moment.
  3222. 2:22:12 Unknown speaker Um I I am the acting assistant city
  3223. 2:22:15 Unknown speaker manager for utilities and public works.
  3224. 2:22:17 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. [laughter]
  3225. 2:22:19 Unknown speaker Like but I know you're not Lance Smith.
  3226. 2:22:21 Unknown speaker So Okay.
  3227. 2:22:22 Unknown speaker It's true.
  3228. 2:22:23 Unknown speaker Go ahead.
  3229. 2:22:24 Unknown speaker So hello. Good evening, mayor and
  3230. 2:22:26 Unknown speaker members of council. I'm here to talk
  3231. 2:22:28 Unknown speaker about a change you may want to consider
  3232. 2:22:31 Unknown speaker um for our Longmont Cares program. As
  3233. 2:22:34 Unknown speaker you know, we are continuously improving
  3234. 2:22:36 Unknown speaker the benefits um and the process around
  3235. 2:22:38 Unknown speaker Longmont Cares um which is a very
  3236. 2:22:42 Unknown speaker comprehensive rebate program that we
  3237. 2:22:44 Unknown speaker offer to income qualified households
  3238. 2:22:46 Unknown speaker here in Longmont. Um for 2026 we made a
  3239. 2:22:50 Unknown speaker couple of improvements both to um the
  3240. 2:22:53 Unknown speaker the qualification
  3241. 2:22:55 Unknown speaker uh where we are now using direct income
  3242. 2:22:58 Unknown speaker qualification as well as
  3243. 2:23:00 Unknown speaker cross-qualifying with other income
  3244. 2:23:02 Unknown speaker qualified programs. Um and we made a
  3245. 2:23:05 Unknown speaker really big upgrade to the technology
  3246. 2:23:09 Unknown speaker platform. Well that I don't know why
  3247. 2:23:10 Unknown speaker that word was hard. Um that we that we
  3248. 2:23:13 Unknown speaker are using to to manage these rebates.
  3249. 2:23:16 Unknown speaker Um, so, uh, we we know that the process
  3250. 2:23:19 Unknown speaker was a little slow this year as we got
  3251. 2:23:21 Unknown speaker that going, but, um, you know, huge
  3252. 2:23:23 Unknown speaker props to the team for taking on a new,
  3253. 2:23:25 Unknown speaker uh, a new system and and making that
  3254. 2:23:28 Unknown speaker improvement. So, as you can see, there's
  3255. 2:23:31 Unknown speaker a long list of items that are included
  3256. 2:23:33 Unknown speaker within the Longmont Cares rebate. Um,
  3257. 2:23:36 Unknown speaker and the the first couple at the top
  3258. 2:23:38 Unknown speaker here. So, um the you know we have a
  3259. 2:23:41 Unknown speaker rebate of sales tax that's that's flat
  3260. 2:23:44 Unknown speaker rate depending on how many members uh
  3261. 2:23:46 Unknown speaker are in your household. Um and then the
  3262. 2:23:49 Unknown speaker property tax component of that is is the
  3263. 2:23:52 Unknown speaker one that we want to talk to you about
  3264. 2:23:53 Unknown speaker tonight. So, the way that it sits today,
  3265. 2:23:56 Unknown speaker we have kind of two pathways for that.
  3266. 2:23:58 Unknown speaker Uh folks who are home owners, we rebate
  3267. 2:24:01 Unknown speaker the amount of property tax that they
  3268. 2:24:03 Unknown speaker paid to the city um in full. Um for
  3269. 2:24:07 Unknown speaker folks who are renters, we don't have
  3270. 2:24:09 Unknown speaker that direct uh relationship. We don't
  3271. 2:24:12 Unknown speaker know exactly what was paid for the the
  3272. 2:24:16 Unknown speaker dwelling, you know, the in which they
  3273. 2:24:18 Unknown speaker reside. Um so we we made an assumption
  3274. 2:24:21 Unknown speaker when we created this program 10 years
  3275. 2:24:22 Unknown speaker ago, uh roughly
  3276. 2:24:25 Unknown speaker that said, you know, we think that
  3277. 2:24:26 Unknown speaker that's probably equivalent to 20% of one
  3278. 2:24:29 Unknown speaker month's rent. Um as we have implemented
  3279. 2:24:33 Unknown speaker our new technology uh platform this
  3280. 2:24:36 Unknown speaker year, what we have found is that the
  3281. 2:24:39 Unknown speaker documentation required to substantiate
  3282. 2:24:42 Unknown speaker that 20% of one month's rent piece is um
  3283. 2:24:46 Unknown speaker the the biggest barrier that people have
  3284. 2:24:48 Unknown speaker in this Longmont Cares application.
  3285. 2:24:51 Unknown speaker uh you know because a lot of times
  3286. 2:24:53 Unknown speaker people may not be in a formal lease
  3287. 2:24:55 Unknown speaker agreement or may not have you know all
  3288. 2:24:58 Unknown speaker of their rent receipts from last year
  3289. 2:25:01 Unknown speaker you know that kind of thing. So we're
  3290. 2:25:03 Unknown speaker suggesting that you may want to change
  3291. 2:25:05 Unknown speaker the structure of that part of the rebate
  3292. 2:25:08 Unknown speaker instead of being 20% of one month's rent
  3293. 2:25:11 Unknown speaker um to align with how we are providing
  3294. 2:25:14 Unknown speaker the sales tax rebate based on the number
  3295. 2:25:16 Unknown speaker of people in the household.
  3296. 2:25:19 Unknown speaker [laughter] So these amounts are based on
  3297. 2:25:22 Unknown speaker the average rebates provided to these
  3298. 2:25:25 Unknown speaker household sizes in 2025. We would adjust
  3299. 2:25:28 Unknown speaker them annually based on inflation just as
  3300. 2:25:30 Unknown speaker we do the sales tax component. And
  3301. 2:25:33 Unknown speaker that's really the proposal that we
  3302. 2:25:35 Unknown speaker wanted to put before you today. We have
  3303. 2:25:37 Unknown speaker a you know a couple of wins to celebrate
  3304. 2:25:41 Unknown speaker um with with the program this year. Um,
  3305. 2:25:44 Unknown speaker we managed to get the processing time
  3306. 2:25:46 Unknown speaker down to 30 days, which is is a great
  3307. 2:25:50 Unknown speaker improvement over the 60 to 90 days that
  3308. 2:25:53 Unknown speaker we were seeing previously. And we think
  3309. 2:25:55 Unknown speaker that with this change, we could see
  3310. 2:25:56 Unknown speaker something even even faster than that.
  3311. 2:25:59 Unknown speaker Um, and and we've had a really great uh
  3312. 2:26:03 Unknown speaker relationship with other departments
  3313. 2:26:06 Unknown speaker using uh these income qualified
  3314. 2:26:08 Unknown speaker programs. You can see with recreation,
  3315. 2:26:10 Unknown speaker with the housing program, we we've seen
  3316. 2:26:12 Unknown speaker a lot of crossqualification and people
  3317. 2:26:14 Unknown speaker making use of other income qualified
  3318. 2:26:16 Unknown speaker programs uh coming through the system.
  3319. 2:26:18 Unknown speaker And most importantly, we've helped 264
  3320. 2:26:21 Unknown speaker households avoid disconnection um by by
  3321. 2:26:25 Unknown speaker providing this rebate. So that's uh some
  3322. 2:26:28 Unknown speaker some good information for you and would
  3323. 2:26:31 Unknown speaker would love to hear uh your thoughts on
  3324. 2:26:35 Unknown speaker moving to this structure.
  3325. 2:26:41 Unknown speaker Council member Prietto.
  3326. 2:26:43 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor, [clears throat] and
  3327. 2:26:45 Unknown speaker thank you, Becky. This is such a great
  3328. 2:26:47 Unknown speaker program.
  3329. 2:26:49 Unknown speaker Um, so I'm supportive of simplifying the
  3330. 2:26:53 Unknown speaker application process and removing
  3331. 2:26:54 Unknown speaker barriers for families
  3332. 2:26:57 Unknown speaker um accessing assistance. However, I do
  3333. 2:26:59 Unknown speaker have concerns about moving from a
  3334. 2:27:01 Unknown speaker percentagebased rebate to a flat amount.
  3335. 2:27:05 Unknown speaker Um, I understand that the proposed
  3336. 2:27:06 Unknown speaker amounts are based on averages,
  3337. 2:27:09 Unknown speaker but I'd like to know how many households
  3338. 2:27:11 Unknown speaker would receive less assistance under this
  3339. 2:27:13 Unknown speaker structure and what justifies that
  3340. 2:27:16 Unknown speaker reduction.
  3341. 2:27:20 Unknown speaker Uh, mayor, council member Prito, uh, we
  3342. 2:27:23 Unknown speaker would have to pull numbers on exactly um
  3343. 2:27:25 Unknown speaker how many we're talking about. um you
  3344. 2:27:29 Unknown speaker know because these are average amounts
  3345. 2:27:31 Unknown speaker and we can assume that uh a fair number
  3346. 2:27:34 Unknown speaker of folks would would see a reduction.
  3347. 2:27:36 Unknown speaker The the range of the the rebates that
  3348. 2:27:40 Unknown speaker people receive today is is quite large.
  3349. 2:27:42 Unknown speaker Um you know so we we see anything from
  3350. 2:27:46 Unknown speaker uh you know uh like $20 to as much as
  3351. 2:27:51 Unknown speaker 600 on the high end. Uh, so there are
  3352. 2:27:54 Unknown speaker some households that would that would
  3353. 2:27:55 Unknown speaker see a pretty reasonable reduction in
  3354. 2:27:58 Unknown speaker that. So yeah, I think that's the the
  3355. 2:28:01 Unknown speaker question before you.
  3356. 2:28:02 Unknown speaker Okay. So, um, I just want to make sure
  3357. 2:28:05 Unknown speaker that we're not unintentionally reducing
  3358. 2:28:06 Unknown speaker assistance for families already
  3359. 2:28:08 Unknown speaker struggling with high housing costs.
  3360. 2:28:11 Unknown speaker I'm I am not for this change. Um,
  3361. 2:28:16 Unknown speaker I would like to see if there are
  3362. 2:28:17 Unknown speaker alternatives that would simplify the
  3363. 2:28:20 Unknown speaker verification process. Um, but with
  3364. 2:28:23 Unknown speaker reducing the amounts that families are
  3365. 2:28:25 Unknown speaker going to receive, just looking at the
  3366. 2:28:28 Unknown speaker table that you showed, I mean, it's
  3367. 2:28:32 Unknown speaker common for my bill to come in
  3368. 2:28:34 Unknown speaker from like 350 to 550.
  3369. 2:28:39 Unknown speaker And,
  3370. 2:28:42 Unknown speaker you know, families applying for this
  3371. 2:28:43 Unknown speaker program are really needing assistance in
  3372. 2:28:45 Unknown speaker in a time of need. And I would just want
  3373. 2:28:48 Unknown speaker to ensure that we're providing that
  3374. 2:28:50 Unknown speaker unless there's like a financial concern
  3375. 2:28:52 Unknown speaker that you can speak to to kind of justify
  3376. 2:28:54 Unknown speaker the reduction of assistance or maybe a
  3377. 2:28:58 Unknown speaker growing need that justifies that. So I I
  3378. 2:29:02 Unknown speaker think that the the the need that we're
  3379. 2:29:05 Unknown speaker addressing here is really the timeliness
  3380. 2:29:06 Unknown speaker of the rebate. Um, and so just as many,
  3381. 2:29:11 Unknown speaker you know, some folks are going to
  3382. 2:29:13 Unknown speaker receive less, some folks are going to
  3383. 2:29:14 Unknown speaker receive significantly more than they
  3384. 2:29:16 Unknown speaker have received. And and to be clear, we
  3385. 2:29:19 Unknown speaker we're not suggesting that we adjust the
  3386. 2:29:20 Unknown speaker amounts of any of the other components
  3387. 2:29:22 Unknown speaker of the rebate. Um, taken in total, uh,
  3388. 2:29:26 Unknown speaker most folks today receive a rebate
  3389. 2:29:28 Unknown speaker around, I would say, $700
  3390. 2:29:31 Unknown speaker in total. So that that does typically
  3391. 2:29:33 Unknown speaker cover, you know, a couple months of um
  3392. 2:29:37 Unknown speaker of a like a summer bill.
  3393. 2:29:39 Unknown speaker Okay. So, but from what I'm
  3394. 2:29:42 Unknown speaker understanding, and I might be missing
  3395. 2:29:43 Unknown speaker this point, Becky, so I apologize, in
  3396. 2:29:47 Unknown speaker going from a 20% structure to just like
  3397. 2:29:49 Unknown speaker a flat per household member, like most
  3398. 2:29:53 Unknown speaker households would receive a reduced
  3399. 2:29:55 Unknown speaker amount, right?
  3400. 2:29:58 Unknown speaker or could you give us like an example of
  3401. 2:30:00 Unknown speaker a household and like what the difference
  3402. 2:30:03 Unknown speaker might be or because from from what I
  3403. 2:30:06 Unknown speaker understood and read and kind of the math
  3404. 2:30:08 Unknown speaker that I did um households are going to
  3405. 2:30:11 Unknown speaker receive less.
  3406. 2:30:13 Unknown speaker So
  3407. 2:30:15 Unknown speaker just as many households will receive
  3408. 2:30:18 Unknown speaker more as will receive less um based on
  3409. 2:30:22 Unknown speaker just how the math works out. So the
  3410. 2:30:25 Unknown speaker numbers that we're showing here are ones
  3411. 2:30:28 Unknown speaker that work within um you know the
  3412. 2:30:31 Unknown speaker existing budget for the program. Uh so
  3413. 2:30:35 Unknown speaker so that's something I think to take into
  3414. 2:30:37 Unknown speaker consideration. Um so what I will say is
  3415. 2:30:43 Unknown speaker that the uh about 55% of program
  3416. 2:30:47 Unknown speaker participants are are single household
  3417. 2:30:50 Unknown speaker single member households. Um, so that's
  3418. 2:30:53 Unknown speaker that's most folks uh well the most the
  3419. 2:30:56 Unknown speaker highest number of households there. Um,
  3420. 2:30:59 Unknown speaker and like I said there there's such a
  3421. 2:31:02 Unknown speaker wide range of what happens. I mean they
  3422. 2:31:05 Unknown speaker are concentrated. I would actually say
  3423. 2:31:07 Unknown speaker that more people receive less than 140
  3424. 2:31:09 Unknown speaker than you know like there's a couple of
  3425. 2:31:11 Unknown speaker outliers that are that are very high and
  3426. 2:31:14 Unknown speaker all of that is dependent on like what's
  3427. 2:31:16 Unknown speaker the amount of rent that they are paying
  3428. 2:31:18 Unknown speaker today. Um, so you know, another thing
  3429. 2:31:20 Unknown speaker that's useful is to compare these
  3430. 2:31:22 Unknown speaker amounts to like the the Chaffa like
  3431. 2:31:25 Unknown speaker affordable rents um at the at the levels
  3432. 2:31:28 Unknown speaker that um uh the of income that that
  3433. 2:31:31 Unknown speaker qualify for the program
  3434. 2:31:32 Unknown speaker and these are approximately appropriate
  3435. 2:31:34 Unknown speaker for for that um like if you if you kind
  3436. 2:31:37 Unknown speaker of compare like what's 20% of um of like
  3437. 2:31:41 Unknown speaker a the Chaffa affordable amount.
  3438. 2:31:45 Unknown speaker Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I would not be for
  3439. 2:31:48 Unknown speaker this today just because I I feel like it
  3440. 2:31:50 Unknown speaker does reduce the amount of assistance
  3441. 2:31:51 Unknown speaker that households
  3442. 2:31:53 Unknown speaker are provided. I would have liked to see
  3443. 2:31:56 Unknown speaker a little bit maybe more of those
  3444. 2:31:57 Unknown speaker comparisons within the packet. And so
  3445. 2:32:00 Unknown speaker without like fully understanding a what
  3446. 2:32:02 Unknown speaker an affordable unit, you know,
  3447. 2:32:04 Unknown speaker two-bedroom at 1900 and something the
  3448. 2:32:08 Unknown speaker 20% versus the household might be. Um,
  3449. 2:32:11 Unknown speaker and at the end of the day, like whether
  3450. 2:32:13 Unknown speaker it's one person household or a
  3451. 2:32:16 Unknown speaker three-person household in a two-bedroom
  3452. 2:32:18 Unknown speaker unit of 1900, like they're still paying
  3453. 2:32:20 Unknown speaker that high rent. Um, so, but thank you
  3454. 2:32:23 Unknown speaker and and I appreciate the intent and um
  3455. 2:32:26 Unknown speaker I'm I look forward to exploring more
  3456. 2:32:29 Unknown speaker ways to help with the efficiency in this
  3457. 2:32:31 Unknown speaker process.
  3458. 2:32:34 Unknown speaker Okay. Council member Popkin.
  3459. 2:32:36 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I I really appreciate
  3460. 2:32:38 Unknown speaker where council member PTO is coming from
  3461. 2:32:40 Unknown speaker and and actually as I was reading this I
  3462. 2:32:42 Unknown speaker actually shared a fairly similar concern
  3463. 2:32:44 Unknown speaker on this and I and I have an idea here.
  3464. 2:32:46 Unknown speaker Um but I wanted to ask you a question,
  3465. 2:32:51 Unknown speaker Becky, because I I think I share the
  3466. 2:32:53 Unknown speaker goal of wanting to process things as
  3467. 2:32:54 Unknown speaker fast as we can and as efficiently as
  3468. 2:32:56 Unknown speaker possible because that helps people meet
  3469. 2:32:58 Unknown speaker their obligations, too. If this is a
  3470. 2:33:00 Unknown speaker dramatic change and really throws people
  3471. 2:33:02 Unknown speaker off from an assistance standpoint, that
  3472. 2:33:04 Unknown speaker is also a dramatic change. Um and and so
  3473. 2:33:07 Unknown speaker I'm wondering from a budget standpoint
  3474. 2:33:09 Unknown speaker as you were doing this modeling to the
  3475. 2:33:11 Unknown speaker flat rate if if there was the option to
  3476. 2:33:15 Unknown speaker either accept the flat rate as presented
  3477. 2:33:18 Unknown speaker on the time like and move forward
  3478. 2:33:19 Unknown speaker expeditiously if you think you're close
  3479. 2:33:21 Unknown speaker or that's higher than what you're going
  3480. 2:33:23 Unknown speaker to get or present the documentation as
  3481. 2:33:25 Unknown speaker we currently have it. Would that throw
  3482. 2:33:28 Unknown speaker any wrenches at LPC here?
  3483. 2:33:30 Unknown speaker It so it's not LPC
  3484. 2:33:31 Unknown speaker sorry [laughter]
  3485. 2:33:33 Unknown speaker at the CARES program. Uh, yes. I don't
  3486. 2:33:36 Unknown speaker I'd think that that would not fit within
  3487. 2:33:38 Unknown speaker the existing budget for the program if
  3488. 2:33:40 Unknown speaker we if we moved, you know, some folks to
  3489. 2:33:43 Unknown speaker that midpoint and then didn't move
  3490. 2:33:46 Unknown speaker others. You know, if
  3491. 2:33:48 Unknown speaker What do you mean some folks to the
  3492. 2:33:49 Unknown speaker midpoint?
  3493. 2:33:49 Unknown speaker So, so what we're talking about here is
  3494. 2:33:51 Unknown speaker the average amount of the rebate that
  3495. 2:33:53 Unknown speaker we're providing today. And so if if we
  3496. 2:33:56 Unknown speaker had
  3497. 2:33:56 Unknown speaker Oh, you're saying if we if we were
  3498. 2:33:58 Unknown speaker allowing some people to follow the
  3499. 2:33:59 Unknown speaker midpoint and then reduce and then
  3500. 2:34:01 Unknown speaker allowed someone to basically prove the
  3501. 2:34:03 Unknown speaker the further amount.
  3502. 2:34:04 Unknown speaker Yeah, you're moving the whole thing to
  3503. 2:34:05 Unknown speaker the right, if that makes sense.
  3504. 2:34:10 Unknown speaker I like where you're going. And
  3505. 2:34:13 Unknown speaker I I just wonder how much of a a
  3506. 2:34:15 Unknown speaker difference would really how how many
  3507. 2:34:17 Unknown speaker cases because, you know, I wonder how
  3508. 2:34:19 Unknown speaker many cases that would actually be. And
  3509. 2:34:22 Unknown speaker you know, I I would go so far as to say
  3510. 2:34:23 Unknown speaker as if we needed a little bit of
  3511. 2:34:24 Unknown speaker supplemental to cover a gap in a first
  3512. 2:34:26 Unknown speaker year where we're figuring that out. Like
  3513. 2:34:27 Unknown speaker we do not have
  3514. 2:34:30 Unknown speaker the budget available for that kind of
  3515. 2:34:33 Unknown speaker thing.
  3516. 2:34:34 Unknown speaker Do we have a sense of scale? Is that 20
  3517. 2:34:36 Unknown speaker grand? Is that 500,000? Because I would
  3518. 2:34:39 Unknown speaker be willing to use some council
  3519. 2:34:40 Unknown speaker contingency funds as a backs stop on
  3520. 2:34:42 Unknown speaker that.
  3521. 2:34:43 Unknown speaker I could come up with an estimate, but I
  3522. 2:34:45 Unknown speaker think it's going to be in the
  3523. 2:34:46 Unknown speaker [clears throat] kind of 50 $60,000
  3524. 2:34:48 Unknown speaker range.
  3525. 2:34:49 Unknown speaker Okay. Um,
  3526. 2:34:52 Unknown speaker okay. Let me think about this. I
  3527. 2:34:54 Unknown speaker appreciate that. Okay.
  3528. 2:34:55 Unknown speaker Council member Christ.
  3529. 2:34:58 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. And thank you, Becky.
  3530. 2:35:00 Unknown speaker Um,
  3531. 2:35:04 Unknown speaker I like standardizing. That's a great
  3532. 2:35:06 Unknown speaker idea, but I'm I'm just kind of curious.
  3533. 2:35:09 Unknown speaker Um so this is um
  3534. 2:35:14 Unknown speaker you are basing it on your on the rent
  3535. 2:35:16 Unknown speaker amount but it's actually um to rebate
  3536. 2:35:20 Unknown speaker their property tax or presume property
  3537. 2:35:22 Unknown speaker tax that would be kind of associated
  3538. 2:35:24 Unknown speaker with rent
  3539. 2:35:26 Unknown speaker and I'm
  3540. 2:35:30 Unknown speaker so I have some mathematical questions.
  3541. 2:35:34 Unknown speaker So if you look at um the one one member
  3542. 2:35:36 Unknown speaker of the household they then this assumes
  3543. 2:35:38 Unknown speaker that they would be paying $700 in rent
  3544. 2:35:41 Unknown speaker and that would be the rebate would be
  3545. 2:35:42 Unknown speaker $140
  3546. 2:35:44 Unknown speaker and at the top end three or more that
  3547. 2:35:46 Unknown speaker assumes $1,500 in rent and I'm like
  3548. 2:35:51 Unknown speaker who's paying that kind of rent and where
  3549. 2:35:52 Unknown speaker are they renting because yeah
  3550. 2:35:55 Unknown speaker and then what was also stood out to me
  3551. 2:35:59 Unknown speaker is that these are not proportional. In
  3552. 2:36:01 Unknown speaker other words, it's not $140 per person,
  3553. 2:36:04 Unknown speaker you know, or like with the three, it's
  3554. 2:36:07 Unknown speaker $100 per person. So, I just wondered
  3555. 2:36:11 Unknown speaker I understand the rule of averages, but I
  3556. 2:36:14 Unknown speaker wondered if maybe that means that you
  3557. 2:36:16 Unknown speaker have to throw out the outliers and take
  3558. 2:36:18 Unknown speaker a a closer average to get a better
  3559. 2:36:21 Unknown speaker proportion.
  3560. 2:36:22 Unknown speaker Yeah. Yeah, definitely. We we could look
  3561. 2:36:24 Unknown speaker at at removing outliers. Um I will say
  3562. 2:36:27 Unknown speaker rent also is not does not usually happen
  3563. 2:36:30 Unknown speaker kind of proportionally like you know
  3564. 2:36:32 Unknown speaker two-bedroom units are not twice as
  3565. 2:36:34 Unknown speaker expensive as onebedroom. Um so you know
  3566. 2:36:36 Unknown speaker you know there is a kind of a marginal
  3567. 2:36:38 Unknown speaker increase as you go through that and also
  3568. 2:36:41 Unknown speaker the uh the three or more would encompass
  3569. 2:36:44 Unknown speaker larger households as well as so it's the
  3570. 2:36:47 Unknown speaker difference between kind of one and two
  3571. 2:36:50 Unknown speaker and two and more um is not the same
  3572. 2:36:53 Unknown speaker either. Mhm.
  3573. 2:36:55 Unknown speaker Did I answer all all the parts of your
  3574. 2:36:57 Unknown speaker question there? Maybe, maybe not.
  3575. 2:37:00 Unknown speaker Well,
  3576. 2:37:02 Unknown speaker yes. Although just knowing what the
  3577. 2:37:05 Unknown speaker rents are, it seems like the proportion
  3578. 2:37:07 Unknown speaker is upside down on this chart, but maybe
  3579. 2:37:11 Unknown speaker not. Um,
  3580. 2:37:15 Unknown speaker so I guess in the in a roundabout kind
  3581. 2:37:18 Unknown speaker of way, I'm agreeing with Councilwoman
  3582. 2:37:20 Unknown speaker Prietto because I feel like maybe this
  3583. 2:37:23 Unknown speaker is not really representative of what
  3584. 2:37:26 Unknown speaker they should be receiving as a rebate,
  3585. 2:37:29 Unknown speaker but I'm okay with standardizing it so
  3586. 2:37:31 Unknown speaker that it is
  3587. 2:37:33 Unknown speaker more
  3588. 2:37:34 Unknown speaker um reflective of what it might actually
  3589. 2:37:36 Unknown speaker be. Well, we're saying 20%. 20% would be
  3590. 2:37:39 Unknown speaker a lot higher than what we're saying here
  3591. 2:37:41 Unknown speaker if you know just knowing the typical
  3592. 2:37:43 Unknown speaker rents.
  3593. 2:37:44 Unknown speaker But then you're also saying they can't
  3594. 2:37:46 Unknown speaker seem to prove the rent that they're
  3595. 2:37:48 Unknown speaker paying. So maybe they are getting a
  3596. 2:37:49 Unknown speaker deal. You know you have one single
  3597. 2:37:50 Unknown speaker person maybe they are only paying5 or
  3598. 2:37:53 Unknown speaker $700 in rent.
  3599. 2:37:55 Unknown speaker And and just to be clear when these are
  3600. 2:37:58 Unknown speaker the the averages of the approved ones.
  3601. 2:38:00 Unknown speaker So people who have have been able to
  3602. 2:38:02 Unknown speaker provide documentation of the rent that
  3603. 2:38:04 Unknown speaker they're paying.
  3604. 2:38:05 Unknown speaker Right. Right. Well um so all that
  3605. 2:38:10 Unknown speaker considered I do think
  3606. 2:38:13 Unknown speaker um standardization is good. I do think
  3607. 2:38:16 Unknown speaker well I guess I had one other question
  3608. 2:38:17 Unknown speaker and that is um
  3609. 2:38:21 Unknown speaker you mentioned disconnections which are
  3610. 2:38:23 Unknown speaker which are about electricity I'm
  3611. 2:38:26 Unknown speaker guessing. So it's not really related to
  3612. 2:38:28 Unknown speaker this but has anybody
  3613. 2:38:31 Unknown speaker lost their housing because they didn't
  3614. 2:38:34 Unknown speaker get their rebate within 30 days? I am
  3615. 2:38:36 Unknown speaker not aware of a situation
  3616. 2:38:40 Unknown speaker where that has happened.
  3617. 2:38:41 Unknown speaker So third 30 days isn't necessarily that
  3618. 2:38:44 Unknown speaker impactful for the recipient. It's just
  3619. 2:38:46 Unknown speaker impactful for your systems and the cost
  3620. 2:38:48 Unknown speaker of time and effort to do them. I
  3621. 2:38:50 Unknown speaker I I would say that you know most
  3622. 2:38:52 Unknown speaker frequently when people are concerned
  3623. 2:38:54 Unknown speaker about the timing of the rebate it is um
  3624. 2:38:57 Unknown speaker because of a potential for disconnecting
  3625. 2:39:00 Unknown speaker their electric service.
  3626. 2:39:02 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, so it speeding up the rebate
  3627. 2:39:07 Unknown speaker would help smooth some of those. I I
  3628. 2:39:09 Unknown speaker think you all have gotten emails from
  3629. 2:39:10 Unknown speaker folks who are in difficult situations
  3630. 2:39:13 Unknown speaker trying to get, you know, whatever help
  3631. 2:39:15 Unknown speaker they can get. Um, but I also think that
  3632. 2:39:18 Unknown speaker 30 days is a very good timeline that
  3633. 2:39:21 Unknown speaker we've we've been able to um provide.
  3634. 2:39:23 Unknown speaker It's an improvement. Yeah. So
  3635. 2:39:26 Unknown speaker um happy to see that. But um yeah, so I
  3636. 2:39:30 Unknown speaker guess what I'm trying to gauge is which
  3637. 2:39:32 Unknown speaker is which is the bigger pinch point,
  3638. 2:39:33 Unknown speaker waiting 30 days or the amount that they
  3639. 2:39:36 Unknown speaker would get by getting it faster. Do you
  3640. 2:39:39 Unknown speaker see what I'm saying? So I think we have
  3641. 2:39:40 Unknown speaker to weigh those those two benefits.
  3642. 2:39:43 Unknown speaker And um it would be nice to hear from the
  3643. 2:39:46 Unknown speaker community on this actually.
  3644. 2:39:48 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  3645. 2:39:52 Unknown speaker Council member Koffffer.
  3646. 2:39:54 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I also appreciate
  3647. 2:39:56 Unknown speaker standardizing this u to make it more
  3648. 2:39:58 Unknown speaker efficient for um the team. I'm curious
  3649. 2:40:01 Unknown speaker um and sorry if council member Poppin
  3650. 2:40:04 Unknown speaker asked this and I and I missed it. For
  3651. 2:40:06 Unknown speaker the people that are on it now, is there
  3652. 2:40:09 Unknown speaker the budget to keep them where they are
  3653. 2:40:11 Unknown speaker and this going forward is just for the
  3654. 2:40:13 Unknown speaker new people going in?
  3655. 2:40:15 Unknown speaker So this would apply to all applicants
  3656. 2:40:18 Unknown speaker for the next uh fiscal year.
  3657. 2:40:23 Unknown speaker Okay. So if somebody has it this year,
  3658. 2:40:27 Unknown speaker they have to reapply next year and then
  3659. 2:40:30 Unknown speaker they would go down like if they were
  3660. 2:40:32 Unknown speaker getting a higher
  3661. 2:40:33 Unknown speaker or up if they were getting less.
  3662. 2:40:36 Unknown speaker Gotcha. And there's no way to
  3663. 2:40:38 Unknown speaker grandfather the folks who were getting
  3664. 2:40:40 Unknown speaker more before if they were continuously
  3665. 2:40:44 Unknown speaker getting the rebate.
  3666. 2:40:47 Unknown speaker You we wouldn't be able to do both
  3667. 2:40:49 Unknown speaker things with the budget that we have. We
  3668. 2:40:50 Unknown speaker we can't both standardize and you know
  3669. 2:40:53 Unknown speaker pull people up without averaging
  3670. 2:40:56 Unknown speaker and you know reducing the benefit that
  3671. 2:40:58 Unknown speaker some people have gotten.
  3672. 2:41:00 Unknown speaker Is it a heavy lift to figure out
  3673. 2:41:02 Unknown speaker the numbers
  3674. 2:41:03 Unknown speaker the numbers of the people that would
  3675. 2:41:04 Unknown speaker that people that would fall off?
  3676. 2:41:07 Unknown speaker No, that that's not a heavy lift at all.
  3677. 2:41:08 Unknown speaker Okay. I would like to see that. How many
  3678. 2:41:10 Unknown speaker people would fall off?
  3679. 2:41:11 Unknown speaker Sure.
  3680. 2:41:12 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um let's see. Council member,
  3681. 2:41:16 Unknown speaker um I'm going to kick it over to Council
  3682. 2:41:20 Unknown speaker Member Marcen first because you two have
  3683. 2:41:22 Unknown speaker already spoken. Um go ahead.
  3684. 2:41:24 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Uh I'll be quick. I'm
  3685. 2:41:26 Unknown speaker I'm roughly where Council Member Prietto
  3686. 2:41:28 Unknown speaker is on on this as well. I'm concerned
  3687. 2:41:31 Unknown speaker about um reducing subsidy generally uh
  3688. 2:41:35 Unknown speaker in a way that that can negatively impact
  3689. 2:41:37 Unknown speaker um working folks. So, just want to
  3690. 2:41:39 Unknown speaker mention that. Thanks. Just for your
  3691. 2:41:40 Unknown speaker direction.
  3692. 2:41:41 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  3693. 2:41:43 Unknown speaker Okay. Council member Prito,
  3694. 2:41:46 Unknown speaker and I'm sorry to throw a wrench in the
  3695. 2:41:48 Unknown speaker works. No.
  3696. 2:41:49 Unknown speaker Um, but I I know that there was some
  3697. 2:41:51 Unknown speaker confusion around
  3698. 2:41:53 Unknown speaker the motion made last time we spoke about
  3699. 2:41:56 Unknown speaker the CARIS program and I don't know that
  3700. 2:41:57 Unknown speaker I ever had received a SP response and I
  3701. 2:42:00 Unknown speaker think it's important in this
  3702. 2:42:01 Unknown speaker conversation.
  3703. 2:42:02 Unknown speaker Um, so to my understanding, I is it
  3704. 2:42:06 Unknown speaker still that if someone applies for CARES,
  3705. 2:42:10 Unknown speaker they're exempt from disconnection until
  3706. 2:42:13 Unknown speaker a decision is made? Can you talk to
  3707. 2:42:15 Unknown speaker about how that process is rolled out?
  3708. 2:42:17 Unknown speaker And
  3709. 2:42:18 Unknown speaker Sure.
  3710. 2:42:18 Unknown speaker And the reason I ask it is just because
  3711. 2:42:20 Unknown speaker if if people are waiting that longer
  3712. 2:42:23 Unknown speaker extended time, then that then that
  3713. 2:42:26 Unknown speaker protection was put in place for that
  3714. 2:42:28 Unknown speaker to help.
  3715. 2:42:30 Unknown speaker Yeah. So, um, when I talked about those
  3716. 2:42:33 Unknown speaker 265 households that were were not
  3717. 2:42:36 Unknown speaker disconnected because they had either
  3718. 2:42:38 Unknown speaker received or been approved for a CARES
  3719. 2:42:40 Unknown speaker rebate, that I think that's exactly to
  3720. 2:42:42 Unknown speaker the the change that we made. Um, making
  3721. 2:42:45 Unknown speaker sure that we were not disconnecting
  3722. 2:42:47 Unknown speaker folks who were in the process. Um, so
  3723. 2:42:49 Unknown speaker the way that the that the code reads
  3724. 2:42:51 Unknown speaker today, it's that approved um, you know,
  3725. 2:42:55 Unknown speaker applications that have been approved
  3726. 2:42:56 Unknown speaker that have been found eligible, but you
  3727. 2:42:58 Unknown speaker know, the amount has not yet been
  3728. 2:42:59 Unknown speaker applied to their accounts, those are the
  3729. 2:43:01 Unknown speaker ones that fall under that protection.
  3730. 2:43:03 Unknown speaker And typically that that eligibility
  3731. 2:43:05 Unknown speaker check is the part that only takes, you
  3732. 2:43:07 Unknown speaker know, about like, you know, 10 to 15
  3733. 2:43:09 Unknown speaker days. Um, and then so the the validating
  3734. 2:43:13 Unknown speaker rent documentation is is kind of taking
  3735. 2:43:16 Unknown speaker that additional time. So it is a pretty
  3736. 2:43:18 Unknown speaker quick window until people would be
  3737. 2:43:20 Unknown speaker protected from disconnection.
  3738. 2:43:22 Unknown speaker Okay. So So it's a it's a smaller
  3739. 2:43:24 Unknown speaker window. So if I apply today and um I am
  3740. 2:43:29 Unknown speaker at and I become at risk or am at risk of
  3741. 2:43:33 Unknown speaker disconnection.
  3742. 2:43:35 Unknown speaker Um
  3743. 2:43:37 Unknown speaker but I haven't been determined eligible.
  3744. 2:43:42 Unknown speaker Would you guys look at that before
  3745. 2:43:44 Unknown speaker disconnecting? cuz I think that was the
  3746. 2:43:46 Unknown speaker original intent of my motion was to say,
  3747. 2:43:49 Unknown speaker "Hey, once someone applies, let's pause
  3748. 2:43:52 Unknown speaker it until a approval or denial is
  3749. 2:43:56 Unknown speaker determined."
  3750. 2:43:57 Unknown speaker But it sounds like the way it went was
  3751. 2:44:00 Unknown speaker let's
  3752. 2:44:02 Unknown speaker um that it's paused once a determination
  3753. 2:44:05 Unknown speaker is made
  3754. 2:44:06 Unknown speaker right after that initial determination.
  3755. 2:44:08 Unknown speaker Unfortunately, we don't have systems in
  3756. 2:44:11 Unknown speaker place that would allow us to catch every
  3757. 2:44:13 Unknown speaker single, you know, like initial
  3758. 2:44:15 Unknown speaker application um in time to necessarily
  3759. 2:44:18 Unknown speaker respond to, you know, a you know, some
  3760. 2:44:21 Unknown speaker an account being eligible for
  3761. 2:44:22 Unknown speaker disconnection. What I will say is that a
  3762. 2:44:25 Unknown speaker lot of times um like really what we need
  3763. 2:44:29 Unknown speaker there is communication is we need
  3764. 2:44:30 Unknown speaker somebody to call in and say, you know,
  3765. 2:44:33 Unknown speaker I'm I'm I'm doing everything that I can.
  3766. 2:44:35 Unknown speaker I've applied for CARES and and 99 I
  3767. 2:44:39 Unknown speaker would say probably even 100% of the time
  3768. 2:44:41 Unknown speaker we're able to work with folks
  3769. 2:44:42 Unknown speaker um and make sure that you know that they
  3770. 2:44:44 Unknown speaker retain their service and um you know get
  3771. 2:44:48 Unknown speaker get back on track.
  3772. 2:44:49 Unknown speaker Okay. Well, I think even the way that
  3773. 2:44:51 Unknown speaker it's set up now is is still meaningful.
  3774. 2:44:54 Unknown speaker Oh, yeah. Yeah. So,
  3775. 2:44:55 Unknown speaker I if I can I think when I've been
  3776. 2:44:57 Unknown speaker received calls on this typically if it
  3777. 2:45:00 Unknown speaker is missed it's because the the due date
  3778. 2:45:03 Unknown speaker is tomorrow. Yeah.
  3779. 2:45:04 Unknown speaker And they send the application in
  3780. 2:45:07 Unknown speaker yesterday
  3781. 2:45:08 Unknown speaker or today [laughter]
  3782. 2:45:10 Unknown speaker and it's it's an issue or they've
  3783. 2:45:15 Unknown speaker received the application, they've made
  3784. 2:45:16 Unknown speaker numerous attempts to get documentation
  3785. 2:45:19 Unknown speaker and the individuals aren't responsive.
  3786. 2:45:21 Unknown speaker So when when I've been brought into
  3787. 2:45:23 Unknown speaker those situations when it's risen to my
  3788. 2:45:25 Unknown speaker level, that's typically I think that's
  3789. 2:45:28 Unknown speaker what I find almost all the time. It's
  3790. 2:45:30 Unknown speaker one of those two issues. um and what's
  3791. 2:45:33 Unknown speaker causing the the challenge.
  3792. 2:45:35 Unknown speaker Yeah, absolutely. That's the and the the
  3793. 2:45:37 Unknown speaker to be perfectly frank, the biggest
  3794. 2:45:39 Unknown speaker barrier between, you know, people and
  3795. 2:45:42 Unknown speaker and getting that rebate is this rent
  3796. 2:45:44 Unknown speaker documentation. So, we have, you know,
  3797. 2:45:46 Unknown speaker over 200 people right now who are not
  3798. 2:45:48 Unknown speaker receiving a rebate because we are
  3799. 2:45:50 Unknown speaker waiting on, you know, response
  3800. 2:45:53 Unknown speaker for documentation,
  3801. 2:45:54 Unknown speaker of course. And then one last question,
  3802. 2:45:56 Unknown speaker then I'm going to leave you folks alone.
  3803. 2:45:57 Unknown speaker Sure. Um, if I was disconnected today,
  3804. 2:46:01 Unknown speaker but I had an active CARES application
  3805. 2:46:03 Unknown speaker that had not been approved yet for the
  3806. 2:46:06 Unknown speaker reason that uh our city manager stated,
  3807. 2:46:09 Unknown speaker would CARES like still be something that
  3808. 2:46:13 Unknown speaker could be used to the account to
  3809. 2:46:14 Unknown speaker reinstate service or just curious how
  3810. 2:46:17 Unknown speaker that works?
  3811. 2:46:19 Unknown speaker I'm Yeah, I'm I'm looking at my my my
  3812. 2:46:21 Unknown speaker crack tape here. Yes, that would count.
  3813. 2:46:23 Unknown speaker So, we we typically look for about a
  3814. 2:46:26 Unknown speaker third of the outstanding balance, I
  3815. 2:46:27 Unknown speaker think, in those cases.
  3816. 2:46:29 Unknown speaker Yes. And
  3817. 2:46:30 Unknown speaker you want to come up and grab a mic here,
  3818. 2:46:32 Unknown speaker Monica? This is Monica. She's the CARES
  3819. 2:46:33 Unknown speaker program administrator.
  3820. 2:46:34 Unknown speaker Hello. Um, yes, if if that person has
  3821. 2:46:38 Unknown speaker submitted a CARES application, even if
  3822. 2:46:41 Unknown speaker they just submitted it right when they
  3823. 2:46:42 Unknown speaker got shut off. Um, but from the moment
  3824. 2:46:44 Unknown speaker that CARES application is submitted, um,
  3825. 2:46:48 Unknown speaker my goal is to add a note to that
  3826. 2:46:50 Unknown speaker person's utility billing account to
  3827. 2:46:52 Unknown speaker prevent and hold any type of shut off
  3828. 2:46:54 Unknown speaker before, um, that would happen. So,
  3829. 2:46:57 Unknown speaker that's that piece of uh, what we're
  3830. 2:46:59 Unknown speaker trying to do now with that policy.
  3831. 2:47:03 Unknown speaker Yeah, we think it's a really good
  3832. 2:47:04 Unknown speaker improvement.
  3833. 2:47:05 Unknown speaker Absolutely.
  3834. 2:47:06 Unknown speaker Okay. How did I turn your mic on,
  3835. 2:47:09 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin? It's like I
  3836. 2:47:11 Unknown speaker didn't even touch it. Well, I'm
  3837. 2:47:14 Unknown speaker I'm flattered. Thank you. Um, [laughter]
  3838. 2:47:17 Unknown speaker I just for first first off, I guess what
  3839. 2:47:20 Unknown speaker I wanted to to share is I think we're
  3840. 2:47:22 Unknown speaker close
  3841. 2:47:23 Unknown speaker and
  3842. 2:47:25 Unknown speaker I I really do appreciate the the the
  3843. 2:47:28 Unknown speaker efficiency, not for efficiency sake
  3844. 2:47:30 Unknown speaker here, but the efficiency because it
  3845. 2:47:31 Unknown speaker means people get their benefits faster.
  3846. 2:47:33 Unknown speaker And I I and I think that's a real
  3847. 2:47:35 Unknown speaker tangible outcome for people. I I'm
  3848. 2:47:38 Unknown speaker wondering if a little bit of you know I
  3849. 2:47:40 Unknown speaker would love to see the I I I share
  3850. 2:47:42 Unknown speaker Council Member Koffer's inclination here
  3851. 2:47:44 Unknown speaker if we can have some of the data of who
  3852. 2:47:45 Unknown speaker would be outside of the basically the
  3853. 2:47:48 Unknown speaker median here or the average um from this
  3854. 2:47:51 Unknown speaker and and how many people that would
  3855. 2:47:52 Unknown speaker affect based on current numbers. But I'm
  3856. 2:47:54 Unknown speaker wondering if there was a way to re
  3857. 2:47:57 Unknown speaker without too much too much effort just
  3858. 2:48:00 Unknown speaker take another look at the model here and
  3859. 2:48:02 Unknown speaker if we were to do an option where you can
  3860. 2:48:04 Unknown speaker either opt for the current system or
  3861. 2:48:09 Unknown speaker maybe one or two other options that we
  3862. 2:48:10 Unknown speaker just adjust the numbers for if you know
  3863. 2:48:12 Unknown speaker going in that we have to budget for
  3864. 2:48:15 Unknown speaker allowing people to be able to basically
  3865. 2:48:17 Unknown speaker prove for that 20%.
  3866. 2:48:19 Unknown speaker And then we maybe adjust the averages of
  3867. 2:48:20 Unknown speaker what people are getting in the in the
  3868. 2:48:22 Unknown speaker quicker turnaround.
  3869. 2:48:24 Unknown speaker I'm wondering how much optimization is
  3870. 2:48:25 Unknown speaker still possible within that that people
  3871. 2:48:27 Unknown speaker who really need that kind of exact
  3872. 2:48:30 Unknown speaker threshold of 20% can get that with the
  3873. 2:48:32 Unknown speaker documentation or if they want to want to
  3874. 2:48:35 Unknown speaker or need to move a little faster, they
  3875. 2:48:36 Unknown speaker can opt for that other option and it's
  3876. 2:48:38 Unknown speaker kind of an opt-in opt out situation
  3877. 2:48:40 Unknown speaker depending on what their preference is.
  3878. 2:48:42 Unknown speaker That that that is something I'm curious
  3879. 2:48:43 Unknown speaker about.
  3880. 2:48:44 Unknown speaker Um the the other question here so I
  3881. 2:48:48 Unknown speaker guess does that sound like a lot of like
  3882. 2:48:50 Unknown speaker is that turning the Titanic from your
  3883. 2:48:51 Unknown speaker perspective?
  3884. 2:48:52 Unknown speaker Not at all. Um, I can bring you as many
  3885. 2:48:54 Unknown speaker numbers as you guys want to look at.
  3886. 2:48:56 Unknown speaker Excellent. Um, well, thank you, uh,
  3887. 2:48:58 Unknown speaker Monica and team if we're able to go in
  3888. 2:49:00 Unknown speaker that direction. How does someone proof
  3889. 2:49:02 Unknown speaker in the CARES program how many number of
  3890. 2:49:03 Unknown speaker people in the household that they have?
  3891. 2:49:06 Unknown speaker Uh, so
  3892. 2:49:09 Unknown speaker so they they do add kind of the the
  3893. 2:49:11 Unknown speaker names and birth dates of all of their
  3894. 2:49:13 Unknown speaker household members as part of the
  3895. 2:49:15 Unknown speaker application process. Um, you know, it's
  3896. 2:49:18 Unknown speaker not like anybody's going out there and
  3897. 2:49:20 Unknown speaker doing a really
  3898. 2:49:22 Unknown speaker close check on that.
  3899. 2:49:24 Unknown speaker Uh so um but you know we do have the
  3900. 2:49:27 Unknown speaker information on like who are the
  3901. 2:49:29 Unknown speaker household members that are
  3902. 2:49:31 Unknown speaker um identified I think for each
  3903. 2:49:34 Unknown speaker each each household
  3904. 2:49:36 Unknown speaker which is also important for how how this
  3905. 2:49:38 Unknown speaker program then relates to the recreation
  3906. 2:49:40 Unknown speaker scholarship program um because you know
  3907. 2:49:43 Unknown speaker it's the children that are in that that
  3908. 2:49:46 Unknown speaker qualified household that then are are
  3909. 2:49:47 Unknown speaker eligible for those other um benefits
  3910. 2:49:50 Unknown speaker through recreation. I I have a slight
  3911. 2:49:53 Unknown speaker concern about if we have a number of
  3912. 2:49:54 Unknown speaker people threshold versus a documented
  3913. 2:49:56 Unknown speaker rent threshold where someone would
  3914. 2:49:58 Unknown speaker basically inflate the number of people
  3915. 2:50:00 Unknown speaker in their household potentially to get a
  3916. 2:50:01 Unknown speaker higher average without having to provide
  3917. 2:50:03 Unknown speaker the documentation.
  3918. 2:50:05 Unknown speaker And and maybe if we, you know, take out
  3919. 2:50:07 Unknown speaker the the degrees of freedom here of
  3920. 2:50:10 Unknown speaker there, you know, one one person or two,
  3921. 2:50:13 Unknown speaker not a ton of opportunity for kind of
  3922. 2:50:15 Unknown speaker misuse there, but then you can prove 20%
  3923. 2:50:18 Unknown speaker for the other. And so we basically have
  3924. 2:50:19 Unknown speaker the quick the quick turnaround option or
  3925. 2:50:22 Unknown speaker the 20% option. Anyway, I'm offering
  3926. 2:50:25 Unknown speaker some ideas without having seen the
  3927. 2:50:26 Unknown speaker modeling which is a dangerous
  3928. 2:50:28 Unknown speaker proposition here.
  3929. 2:50:29 Unknown speaker I I will also say that this one two
  3930. 2:50:31 Unknown speaker three or more is the same
  3931. 2:50:32 Unknown speaker [clears throat] um is the same household
  3932. 2:50:34 Unknown speaker structure that is currently used for the
  3933. 2:50:36 Unknown speaker sales tax component.
  3934. 2:50:37 Unknown speaker Oh, it's for the sales tax.
  3935. 2:50:38 Unknown speaker Yeah. And the breakdown that we see now
  3936. 2:50:41 Unknown speaker is that we've got uh 55% are in that
  3937. 2:50:44 Unknown speaker single household area, about 20% are two
  3938. 2:50:47 Unknown speaker people, 25% are three or more.
  3939. 2:50:49 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3940. 2:50:51 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  3941. 2:50:52 Unknown speaker Um and then if we were to not go this
  3942. 2:50:54 Unknown speaker route, do we have the budget for the
  3943. 2:50:56 Unknown speaker current system?
  3944. 2:50:57 Unknown speaker Yes. Yeah, we have we have the existing
  3945. 2:50:59 Unknown speaker budget.
  3946. 2:50:59 Unknown speaker Got so why we can't come up a lot from
  3947. 2:51:03 Unknown speaker the average that we have currently,
  3948. 2:51:05 Unknown speaker right? But so so we we would have the
  3949. 2:51:07 Unknown speaker budget for this new proposal. We have
  3950. 2:51:09 Unknown speaker the budget for the current system, but
  3951. 2:51:12 Unknown speaker we wouldn't have a the budget under
  3952. 2:51:14 Unknown speaker current numbers of the averages for this
  3953. 2:51:16 Unknown speaker like hybrid approach,
  3954. 2:51:17 Unknown speaker right? Because you're you're increasing
  3955. 2:51:18 Unknown speaker the lower numbers and
  3956. 2:51:20 Unknown speaker I mean I get I get how the averaging is
  3957. 2:51:21 Unknown speaker working there. I'm just
  3958. 2:51:23 Unknown speaker trying to think how we're tweaking that.
  3959. 2:51:24 Unknown speaker Okay.
  3960. 2:51:24 Unknown speaker Yeah. But I can tell you how what what
  3961. 2:51:26 Unknown speaker dollar amount that is.
  3962. 2:51:27 Unknown speaker Yeah. I mean I I would personally be
  3963. 2:51:29 Unknown speaker very interested in seeing a system where
  3964. 2:51:30 Unknown speaker people could opt for the faster pathway
  3965. 2:51:32 Unknown speaker and maybe it's a little bit you know
  3966. 2:51:33 Unknown speaker less than average on on overall or they
  3967. 2:51:36 Unknown speaker can opt into the kind of current system
  3968. 2:51:39 Unknown speaker if they wanted to get provide that
  3969. 2:51:41 Unknown speaker documentation they had time to spare. So
  3970. 2:51:43 Unknown speaker that's that's my inclination here but I
  3971. 2:51:45 Unknown speaker really appreciate the work on this and
  3972. 2:51:46 Unknown speaker the creativity here from staff. Thanks.
  3973. 2:51:50 Unknown speaker Okay. Do we have any other members of
  3974. 2:51:52 Unknown speaker council? Um you know I'd be curious. I
  3975. 2:51:55 Unknown speaker am intrigued with that. Mh.
  3976. 2:51:57 Unknown speaker But I'm also curious to know how much
  3977. 2:52:00 Unknown speaker and you don't have to answer that now. I
  3978. 2:52:01 Unknown speaker think you know when it comes back to us
  3979. 2:52:03 Unknown speaker to decide if we want to um you know what
  3980. 2:52:07 Unknown speaker we want to do with a new ordinance or an
  3981. 2:52:10 Unknown speaker updated ordinance. Um I guess I'd like
  3982. 2:52:13 Unknown speaker to know how much staff work or how much
  3983. 2:52:16 Unknown speaker time would that take to process two
  3984. 2:52:19 Unknown speaker different mechanisms, a 20% and then a
  3985. 2:52:22 Unknown speaker flat fee.
  3986. 2:52:23 Unknown speaker Yeah, we can include those estimates.
  3987. 2:52:25 Unknown speaker Yes. Um, okay.
  3988. 2:52:28 Unknown speaker Yeah. I think, um, so do we want to move
  3989. 2:52:32 Unknown speaker forward with having them come back with
  3990. 2:52:34 Unknown speaker maybe an ordinance that has I I mean,
  3991. 2:52:37 Unknown speaker I've seen this before where we've had
  3992. 2:52:39 Unknown speaker the first reading, but you can either
  3993. 2:52:41 Unknown speaker pick option A or option one or option
  3994. 2:52:43 Unknown speaker two. I mean, how
  3995. 2:52:46 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  3996. 2:52:47 Unknown speaker What would be the easiest way to bring
  3997. 2:52:49 Unknown speaker this back to us?
  3998. 2:52:50 Unknown speaker We can bring you option A and B. help me
  3999. 2:52:52 Unknown speaker a little bit with what options A and B
  4000. 2:52:54 Unknown speaker are.
  4001. 2:52:55 Unknown speaker Well, I mean, looking at one where we
  4002. 2:52:58 Unknown speaker don't where we have the two two tiered.
  4003. 2:53:02 Unknown speaker Uhhuh.
  4004. 2:53:03 Unknown speaker Um and then I think the other one that I
  4005. 2:53:05 Unknown speaker heard was was it the average like taking
  4006. 2:53:08 Unknown speaker out the outliers?
  4007. 2:53:10 Unknown speaker Okay. Yep.
  4008. 2:53:11 Unknown speaker I think was there anything else that I
  4009. 2:53:13 Unknown speaker missed?
  4010. 2:53:14 Unknown speaker Oh, I'll just include more math and kind
  4011. 2:53:16 Unknown speaker of massage this existing table and then
  4012. 2:53:19 Unknown speaker add an option B that has the the
  4013. 2:53:22 Unknown speaker Yes. And we can't do too much
  4014. 2:53:25 Unknown speaker with as far as the money
  4015. 2:53:28 Unknown speaker because we're limited with the with u
  4016. 2:53:30 Unknown speaker because it's paid out of general fund.
  4017. 2:53:32 Unknown speaker Correct.
  4018. 2:53:32 Unknown speaker So I mean I don't even know if if we
  4019. 2:53:34 Unknown speaker took out the outliers would that have a
  4020. 2:53:36 Unknown speaker great impact on
  4021. 2:53:38 Unknown speaker We'll see.
  4022. 2:53:38 Unknown speaker We'll see. Okay.
  4023. 2:53:40 Unknown speaker Yeah. So um Council Member Kulkoffer.
  4024. 2:53:44 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. And also, you know,
  4025. 2:53:46 Unknown speaker with the different options,
  4026. 2:53:47 Unknown speaker if you need to
  4027. 2:53:48 Unknown speaker how many people would drop off and how
  4028. 2:53:51 Unknown speaker much they would be losing.
  4029. 2:53:52 Unknown speaker Yes, please.
  4030. 2:53:53 Unknown speaker You got it.
  4031. 2:53:54 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. Is that helpful?
  4032. 2:53:57 Unknown speaker Yes. Okay. Thank you.
  4033. 2:53:59 Unknown speaker Thank you.
  4034. 2:53:59 Unknown speaker I think I will take that as direction
  4035. 2:54:01 Unknown speaker and and bring you back some some options
  4036. 2:54:03 Unknown speaker on on an ordinance.
  4037. 2:54:05 Unknown speaker Perfect. Thank you. Um Okay. Now we're
  4038. 2:54:07 Unknown speaker on to item D. Discussion on composting
  4039. 2:54:10 Unknown speaker subsid sub subsid
  4040. 2:54:13 Unknown speaker sub subsidization.
  4041. 2:54:15 Unknown speaker It's these multi-elabic words that kill
  4042. 2:54:17 Unknown speaker me get me every time. rate proposals.
  4043. 2:54:54 Unknown speaker Good evening, mayor and city council. Uh
  4044. 2:54:57 Unknown speaker I am Lance Smith. Um so [laughter]
  4045. 2:55:01 Unknown speaker uh the director of business enablement.
  4046. 2:55:03 Unknown speaker Uh, and I'm here to talk a little bit
  4047. 2:55:05 Unknown speaker about
  4048. 2:55:07 Unknown speaker potentially um incentivizing
  4049. 2:55:10 Unknown speaker participation in our composting through
  4050. 2:55:12 Unknown speaker a subsidization
  4051. 2:55:14 Unknown speaker of solid waste rates. So,
  4052. 2:55:18 Unknown speaker I've gotten to practice that though. Um,
  4053. 2:55:23 Unknown speaker okay. So, we did do a sanitation cost of
  4054. 2:55:26 Unknown speaker service study in 2025 um which increased
  4055. 2:55:29 Unknown speaker the rates for composting and solid waste
  4056. 2:55:32 Unknown speaker services for the first time since 2018.
  4057. 2:55:36 Unknown speaker Okay, sorry about that. Um and then in
  4058. 2:55:40 Unknown speaker August um staff was given uh some
  4059. 2:55:43 Unknown speaker direction to develop the composting
  4060. 2:55:45 Unknown speaker rates um that provided a price signal to
  4061. 2:55:49 Unknown speaker incentivize more composting and waste
  4062. 2:55:51 Unknown speaker diversion. uh staff was asked to develop
  4063. 2:55:54 Unknown speaker rates that would do that by one
  4064. 2:55:56 Unknown speaker increasing the solid waste rates and two
  4065. 2:55:59 Unknown speaker widening the price differential between
  4066. 2:56:00 Unknown speaker the cart sizes.
  4067. 2:56:03 Unknown speaker Um
  4068. 2:56:07 Unknown speaker so here's a timeline of the journey uh
  4069. 2:56:09 Unknown speaker that we've been on. So we started
  4070. 2:56:10 Unknown speaker composting services in 2018.
  4071. 2:56:13 Unknown speaker Uh we did a cost of service study as I
  4072. 2:56:15 Unknown speaker said in 2025
  4073. 2:56:17 Unknown speaker adopted a new rate schedule for 2026
  4074. 2:56:20 Unknown speaker through 2028 with the understanding with
  4075. 2:56:24 Unknown speaker the commitment that staff would come
  4076. 2:56:25 Unknown speaker back and talk to you about composting.
  4077. 2:56:28 Unknown speaker Um a consultant came in 20 in August um
  4078. 2:56:31 Unknown speaker to talk about the potential benefits of
  4079. 2:56:33 Unknown speaker subsidizing the composting. Uh and then
  4080. 2:56:36 Unknown speaker at your direction we also went to the
  4081. 2:56:37 Unknown speaker sustainability advisory board. Um
  4082. 2:56:42 Unknown speaker uh the draft notes from the
  4083. 2:56:43 Unknown speaker sustainability advisory board were
  4084. 2:56:44 Unknown speaker attached to the council comm. Um and
  4085. 2:56:48 Unknown speaker then depending on direction we have
  4086. 2:56:50 Unknown speaker tonight uh we may be coming back with a
  4087. 2:56:53 Unknown speaker rate ordinance in November. So that's
  4088. 2:56:56 Unknown speaker the timeline.
  4089. 2:56:58 Unknown speaker Um this is a slide that I had before but
  4090. 2:57:02 Unknown speaker originally composting rates um were not
  4091. 2:57:04 Unknown speaker subsidized through solid waste. Um,
  4092. 2:57:07 Unknown speaker however, composting costs exceeded the
  4093. 2:57:10 Unknown speaker forecasted costs over time, resulting in
  4094. 2:57:12 Unknown speaker an unintended subsidy. Um, and in order
  4095. 2:57:16 Unknown speaker to remove that unintended subsidy,
  4096. 2:57:18 Unknown speaker compost rates were increased in the
  4097. 2:57:20 Unknown speaker three-year rate schedule um to eliminate
  4098. 2:57:23 Unknown speaker that unintended subsidy. The discussion
  4099. 2:57:26 Unknown speaker tonight could intentionally subsidize
  4100. 2:57:29 Unknown speaker composting.
  4101. 2:57:34 Unknown speaker Okay, so this is the one slide that has
  4102. 2:57:36 Unknown speaker a bunch of numbers here. Um, so based on
  4103. 2:57:40 Unknown speaker the cost of service study in 2025 and
  4104. 2:57:42 Unknown speaker the assumption we're making then that
  4105. 2:57:44 Unknown speaker composting fees should be should cover
  4106. 2:57:47 Unknown speaker all the composting costs, um, the
  4107. 2:57:50 Unknown speaker resulting rate schedule increased
  4108. 2:57:52 Unknown speaker composting fees by 50% in 2026
  4109. 2:57:56 Unknown speaker from the original composting rate. Um
  4110. 2:58:00 Unknown speaker the adopted rate schedule then increases
  4111. 2:58:02 Unknown speaker composting another 25% in 2027 and
  4112. 2:58:06 Unknown speaker another 20% in 2028.
  4113. 2:58:10 Unknown speaker Um and again this schedule was developed
  4114. 2:58:13 Unknown speaker with the intention of removing that
  4115. 2:58:15 Unknown speaker unintended subsidy to composting. Um
  4116. 2:58:18 Unknown speaker after the discussion with you in August
  4117. 2:58:22 Unknown speaker um we were told to develop some
  4118. 2:58:24 Unknown speaker potential rates. So staff developed
  4119. 2:58:25 Unknown speaker three levels of subsidy um for further
  4120. 2:58:29 Unknown speaker consideration. Um
  4121. 2:58:33 Unknown speaker in doing so we had to make certain
  4122. 2:58:35 Unknown speaker assumptions. Um we don't know exactly
  4123. 2:58:39 Unknown speaker um how much participation we're going to
  4124. 2:58:42 Unknown speaker gain by any of these three levels of
  4125. 2:58:44 Unknown speaker subsidy. Um in order to estimate that uh
  4126. 2:58:48 Unknown speaker we did consult with our consultant who
  4127. 2:58:50 Unknown speaker came and talked to you in August. Um
  4128. 2:58:53 Unknown speaker they seem to be reasonable assumptions.
  4129. 2:58:55 Unknown speaker Um but we can certainly talk about that
  4130. 2:58:57 Unknown speaker more. Um
  4131. 2:59:02 Unknown speaker uh and we will over 27 and 2028 be
  4132. 2:59:05 Unknown speaker looking at the actual shifts in customer
  4133. 2:59:07 Unknown speaker participation to ensure that the revenue
  4134. 2:59:09 Unknown speaker is adequate um to cover these costs. Um
  4135. 2:59:13 Unknown speaker there also have been some questions
  4136. 2:59:15 Unknown speaker about the impacts that this 50% increase
  4137. 2:59:18 Unknown speaker has had on um customer participation in
  4138. 2:59:21 Unknown speaker composting.
  4139. 2:59:22 Unknown speaker Uh year to date for 2026, we've added 75
  4140. 2:59:27 Unknown speaker customers to composting.
  4141. 2:59:29 Unknown speaker Um so it hasn't
  4142. 2:59:32 Unknown speaker it hasn't led to a a fleeing of
  4143. 2:59:35 Unknown speaker composting that we didn't anticipate,
  4144. 2:59:38 Unknown speaker but
  4145. 2:59:39 Unknown speaker um
  4146. 2:59:41 Unknown speaker okay. But much as Becky was saying
  4147. 2:59:43 Unknown speaker before, because we still have the same
  4148. 2:59:45 Unknown speaker cost, we need to collect the same amount
  4149. 2:59:47 Unknown speaker of revenue. Um, so lowering the revenue
  4150. 2:59:50 Unknown speaker that we collect through composting means
  4151. 2:59:52 Unknown speaker we're going to have to increase the rate
  4152. 2:59:53 Unknown speaker for other services. Um, most of the
  4153. 2:59:56 Unknown speaker subsidy, as you can see here, is coming
  4154. 2:59:58 Unknown speaker from that large 96gallon cart size.
  4155. 3:00:02 Unknown speaker Um, this does widen that price
  4156. 3:00:05 Unknown speaker differential between the cart sizes and
  4157. 3:00:08 Unknown speaker incentivizes uh the shift from large
  4158. 3:00:11 Unknown speaker solid waste bins to smaller bins and
  4159. 3:00:13 Unknown speaker potentially a composting bin. So,
  4160. 3:00:16 Unknown speaker um,
  4161. 3:00:18 Unknown speaker so I've got three kind of examples of of
  4162. 3:00:21 Unknown speaker how this might affect the household. Um,
  4163. 3:00:24 Unknown speaker so the first one is this household um
  4164. 3:00:26 Unknown speaker just has a 96gallon
  4165. 3:00:29 Unknown speaker uh trash can at this point. If they were
  4166. 3:00:31 Unknown speaker to shift to a 48gallon trash cart and a
  4167. 3:00:35 Unknown speaker 48 gallon composting cart, um then
  4168. 3:00:38 Unknown speaker depending on the level of subsidy you
  4169. 3:00:40 Unknown speaker see here, they could save between $10
  4170. 3:00:42 Unknown speaker and $16 a month. Um
  4171. 3:00:48 Unknown speaker the second example here um is a shift
  4172. 3:00:51 Unknown speaker from a 48 gallon. They already have a 48
  4173. 3:00:53 Unknown speaker gallon trash and a 48 gallon compost. If
  4174. 3:00:57 Unknown speaker that household is able to go to a 24
  4175. 3:00:59 Unknown speaker gallalon trash cart and a larger
  4176. 3:01:01 Unknown speaker composting bin, um then that would
  4177. 3:01:04 Unknown speaker potentially save them roughly $5 to $8 a
  4178. 3:01:07 Unknown speaker month.
  4179. 3:01:09 Unknown speaker Um, and then the third example here,
  4180. 3:01:13 Unknown speaker um, a household that has a 96gallon
  4181. 3:01:15 Unknown speaker trash cart and a 96gallon compost cart,
  4182. 3:01:19 Unknown speaker um, if they were to trade out that trash
  4183. 3:01:21 Unknown speaker cart for a 48gallon trash cart,
  4184. 3:01:24 Unknown speaker um, and maintain their 96gallon compost
  4185. 3:01:27 Unknown speaker cart, they would save 17 to to almost
  4186. 3:01:30 Unknown speaker $20 a month. So, um, so those are the
  4187. 3:01:35 Unknown speaker three levels that we're proposing for
  4188. 3:01:38 Unknown speaker consideration here. Um,
  4189. 3:01:41 Unknown speaker option A would be kind of 20%, option B
  4190. 3:01:44 Unknown speaker 40%, option C 60. Um, so that's what
  4191. 3:01:47 Unknown speaker I've got and thank you,
  4192. 3:01:53 Unknown speaker Council Member Koffer.
  4193. 3:01:55 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. And thanks for the
  4194. 3:01:58 Unknown speaker presentation. And we got a lot of emails
  4195. 3:02:01 Unknown speaker about this today. Um, and I I thought I
  4196. 3:02:04 Unknown speaker was doing a smart thing by asking for
  4197. 3:02:07 Unknown speaker two prices for a small compost cart and
  4198. 3:02:11 Unknown speaker a large compost cart,
  4199. 3:02:13 Unknown speaker but it sounds like there's an unintended
  4200. 3:02:15 Unknown speaker consequence there. Um, in your all's
  4201. 3:02:18 Unknown speaker opinion, would it be better just to go
  4202. 3:02:21 Unknown speaker to just one rate for compost regardless
  4203. 3:02:24 Unknown speaker of the size bin?
  4204. 3:02:28 Unknown speaker Uh that that is the way it has been and
  4205. 3:02:31 Unknown speaker so certainly we could do that.
  4206. 3:02:33 Unknown speaker Gotcha. And then are there other so the
  4207. 3:02:37 Unknown speaker sustainability advisory board which you
  4208. 3:02:39 Unknown speaker all saw in your packet um they were
  4209. 3:02:41 Unknown speaker leaning towards the 40% and we heard a
  4210. 3:02:43 Unknown speaker lot about 40%. Um there are other
  4211. 3:02:46 Unknown speaker options as well like the waste
  4212. 3:02:48 Unknown speaker management fee. is if we were to
  4213. 3:02:50 Unknown speaker increase that by a dollar, would that
  4214. 3:02:53 Unknown speaker cover the subsidy instead of having to
  4215. 3:02:55 Unknown speaker raise the prices on the 96gallon trash?
  4216. 3:03:03 Unknown speaker Uh I'm sorry. If we increase the waste
  4217. 3:03:05 Unknown speaker management fee by a dollar?
  4218. 3:03:07 Unknown speaker Yeah. Let's say,
  4219. 3:03:09 Unknown speaker don't mind the the dollar amount, but if
  4220. 3:03:11 Unknown speaker we were to consider just raising the
  4221. 3:03:12 Unknown speaker waste management fee, would that offset
  4222. 3:03:16 Unknown speaker enough that we wouldn't have to change
  4223. 3:03:17 Unknown speaker the prices for the 96gallon trash?
  4224. 3:03:21 Unknown speaker Yeah, potentially. Um, but but you did
  4225. 3:03:24 Unknown speaker give me clear direction to look at the
  4226. 3:03:26 Unknown speaker trash rate. So,
  4227. 3:03:27 Unknown speaker yeah. Yeah,
  4228. 3:03:28 Unknown speaker totally.
  4229. 3:03:31 Unknown speaker Sorry.
  4230. 3:03:31 Unknown speaker I got to push him out of the way gently.
  4231. 3:03:33 Unknown speaker Um, [laughter]
  4232. 3:03:35 Unknown speaker there is actually a restriction in the
  4233. 3:03:37 Unknown speaker state law about what we can spend the
  4234. 3:03:38 Unknown speaker waste management fee on. And I
  4235. 3:03:40 Unknown speaker apologize, someone in the audience asked
  4236. 3:03:42 Unknown speaker me about this earlier and I forgot about
  4237. 3:03:43 Unknown speaker the state law. Um, and we cannot spend
  4238. 3:03:47 Unknown speaker waste management fee on curbside
  4239. 3:03:49 Unknown speaker services.
  4240. 3:03:50 Unknown speaker Gotcha. Okay. Um, I'm in favor of the
  4241. 3:03:53 Unknown speaker 40%.
  4242. 3:03:55 Unknown speaker Okay. Yes. Thank you. Um, Council Member
  4243. 3:03:58 Unknown speaker Prito,
  4244. 3:04:01 Unknown speaker for somebody who does not opt in to
  4245. 3:04:03 Unknown speaker compost and they have a 96gallon trash,
  4246. 3:04:07 Unknown speaker um, what type of increase are they going
  4247. 3:04:11 Unknown speaker to see if we went with the 40%.
  4248. 3:04:16 Unknown speaker Um,
  4249. 3:04:19 Unknown speaker well, let's see. I think uh so
  4250. 3:04:23 Unknown speaker that customer would uh for 2027 they
  4251. 3:04:27 Unknown speaker would be paying $28.80
  4252. 3:04:29 Unknown speaker with no subsidy if we did go to a
  4253. 3:04:33 Unknown speaker subsidy said 40%.
  4254. 3:04:35 Unknown speaker Mhm.
  4255. 3:04:35 Unknown speaker That would be $34.55. So they would be
  4256. 3:04:38 Unknown speaker paying an extra 675 a month.
  4257. 3:04:42 Unknown speaker 675 for people who choose not to
  4258. 3:04:44 Unknown speaker compost.
  4259. 3:04:45 Unknown speaker Yes. to
  4260. 3:04:50 Unknown speaker to
  4261. 3:04:51 Unknown speaker to
  4262. 3:04:52 Unknown speaker to subsidize
  4263. 3:04:55 Unknown speaker Yep. to broaden the availability and
  4264. 3:04:57 Unknown speaker kind of subsidize this
  4265. 3:05:00 Unknown speaker to other households. Yeah. I don't know.
  4266. 3:05:04 Unknown speaker I mean,
  4267. 3:05:09 Unknown speaker this one's a hard one cuz I I definitely
  4268. 3:05:11 Unknown speaker want to encourage more houses or
  4269. 3:05:14 Unknown speaker households to compost,
  4270. 3:05:17 Unknown speaker but I but for those who choose not to
  4271. 3:05:19 Unknown speaker like to raise their bill more money, it
  4272. 3:05:23 Unknown speaker just
  4273. 3:05:25 Unknown speaker I I'm torn. I I hate to raise people's
  4274. 3:05:28 Unknown speaker bills who choose not to compost. And if
  4275. 3:05:33 Unknown speaker like
  4276. 3:05:35 Unknown speaker when we think about like people who are
  4277. 3:05:36 Unknown speaker living in apartments,
  4278. 3:05:39 Unknown speaker right? Like they don't have bins.
  4279. 3:05:43 Unknown speaker So then their bills are automatically
  4280. 3:05:44 Unknown speaker going to go up whether they choose to
  4281. 3:05:47 Unknown speaker compost or not.
  4282. 3:05:52 Unknown speaker No, not necessarily because um that gets
  4283. 3:05:56 Unknown speaker into the commercial collection aspect of
  4284. 3:05:58 Unknown speaker it which is completely different. So
  4285. 3:06:00 Unknown speaker their bill would not go up
  4286. 3:06:03 Unknown speaker under this current
  4287. 3:06:05 Unknown speaker like if I live in an apartment and I
  4288. 3:06:07 Unknown speaker don't have a you know the compost bin,
  4289. 3:06:10 Unknown speaker the recycle bin and then the trash but I
  4290. 3:06:13 Unknown speaker do like I just pay in I just throw it
  4291. 3:06:16 Unknown speaker into the big dumpster outside. Is my
  4292. 3:06:18 Unknown speaker bill going up under this model?
  4293. 3:06:21 Unknown speaker So, Mayor and uh council member Prietto,
  4294. 3:06:24 Unknown speaker um the the city does serve um uh multif
  4295. 3:06:28 Unknown speaker family that is seven and less. Um so, if
  4296. 3:06:30 Unknown speaker you live in a town home where uh the
  4297. 3:06:33 Unknown speaker majority of the buildings on in your
  4298. 3:06:35 Unknown speaker site have seven units or less, then
  4299. 3:06:37 Unknown speaker these will affect all of those
  4300. 3:06:39 Unknown speaker properties. If it's a multif family
  4301. 3:06:41 Unknown speaker that's greater than seven in their
  4302. 3:06:43 Unknown speaker buildings, then no, those are private
  4303. 3:06:45 Unknown speaker haulers. Um there is one small caveat
  4304. 3:06:49 Unknown speaker that uh they can come to the city and
  4305. 3:06:51 Unknown speaker request service. Um we cannot uh do
  4306. 3:06:55 Unknown speaker compulsory service for eight and more.
  4307. 3:06:57 Unknown speaker So it's kind of a mixed bag. It's not an
  4308. 3:07:00 Unknown speaker easy answer to say yes or no.
  4309. 3:07:02 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4310. 3:07:03 Unknown speaker Thank you,
  4311. 3:07:08 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin.
  4312. 3:07:11 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, Lance, Becky,
  4313. 3:07:13 Unknown speaker Chris team. I mean, this is great work
  4314. 3:07:15 Unknown speaker overall. I mean, I think this achieves
  4315. 3:07:17 Unknown speaker very much kind of the intent when the
  4316. 3:07:19 Unknown speaker mayor and I were really kind of pushing
  4317. 3:07:21 Unknown speaker for this last fall to have this
  4318. 3:07:22 Unknown speaker conversation and kind of really see the
  4319. 3:07:24 Unknown speaker options and and I I don't want to speak
  4320. 3:07:26 Unknown speaker for the mayor on this, but I just want
  4321. 3:07:27 Unknown speaker to say like I think this this makes the
  4322. 3:07:29 Unknown speaker choice and the options that we have
  4323. 3:07:30 Unknown speaker really clear um and really gets at the
  4324. 3:07:33 Unknown speaker spirit of how do we optimize aligning
  4325. 3:07:35 Unknown speaker our policy goals and rates um with with
  4326. 3:07:39 Unknown speaker the affordability that we're aiming for
  4327. 3:07:40 Unknown speaker for people. So, so truly thank you. Um,
  4328. 3:07:42 Unknown speaker I'm sure this was not a small effort um
  4329. 3:07:45 Unknown speaker in that and I I really appreciate the
  4330. 3:07:46 Unknown speaker the thoughtfulness and the approach
  4331. 3:07:48 Unknown speaker here. Um,
  4332. 3:07:50 Unknown speaker I I did you did I hear you correctly,
  4333. 3:07:52 Unknown speaker Lance, that you had said that we added
  4334. 3:07:55 Unknown speaker 75 new participants this year on
  4335. 3:07:56 Unknown speaker composting?
  4336. 3:07:57 Unknown speaker Yes.
  4337. 3:07:58 Unknown speaker Okay. Um, I'm glad we didn't net lose
  4338. 3:08:00 Unknown speaker people, but we also didn't particularly
  4339. 3:08:02 Unknown speaker gain a meaningful amount to align, you
  4340. 3:08:04 Unknown speaker know, achieve our waste diversion goals.
  4341. 3:08:06 Unknown speaker And I think that's part of why we're
  4342. 3:08:07 Unknown speaker having this very conversation. Uh, and I
  4343. 3:08:09 Unknown speaker do want to note for my fellow council
  4344. 3:08:10 Unknown speaker members here that this is probably the
  4345. 3:08:13 Unknown speaker most efficient, cheapest way for us to
  4346. 3:08:15 Unknown speaker make progress on that. Um, and one that
  4347. 3:08:18 Unknown speaker gives people options based on multiple
  4348. 3:08:21 Unknown speaker options as Lance presented a couple of
  4349. 3:08:23 Unknown speaker those demonstrably. Um, but you know,
  4350. 3:08:27 Unknown speaker even if someone doesn't want to compost,
  4351. 3:08:29 Unknown speaker they now have a more affordable way to
  4352. 3:08:31 Unknown speaker reduce their amount of trash. Um, and
  4353. 3:08:33 Unknown speaker that's still an option if they just get
  4354. 3:08:35 Unknown speaker a smaller bin. They don't have to
  4355. 3:08:37 Unknown speaker compost to get a smaller bin. That's
  4356. 3:08:39 Unknown speaker just one way to also help reduce the
  4357. 3:08:41 Unknown speaker amount of of waste in your waist stream,
  4358. 3:08:43 Unknown speaker too. Um, or to divert the waste, I
  4359. 3:08:45 Unknown speaker should say. You can reduce the amount of
  4360. 3:08:46 Unknown speaker waste and then pay less because you
  4361. 3:08:48 Unknown speaker don't necessarily need a bin. It might
  4362. 3:08:49 Unknown speaker force people to reconcile the fact that,
  4363. 3:08:50 Unknown speaker hey, maybe I don't need the 96 on a
  4364. 3:08:53 Unknown speaker regular basis and I can go to the 48w
  4365. 3:08:55 Unknown speaker weekly instead. And that in of itself
  4366. 3:08:57 Unknown speaker just kind of prompts people to think,
  4367. 3:08:58 Unknown speaker oh, I might be able to save money here.
  4368. 3:09:00 Unknown speaker I might be able to have a more
  4369. 3:09:01 Unknown speaker affordable cost of living. Um, look, I'm
  4370. 3:09:05 Unknown speaker I'm I'm reading the tea leaves from what
  4371. 3:09:06 Unknown speaker I've heard so far. I I was interested in
  4372. 3:09:09 Unknown speaker looking at the 60% subsidy just because
  4373. 3:09:11 Unknown speaker I think this is the most cost effective
  4374. 3:09:13 Unknown speaker way uh we can really align our um
  4375. 3:09:18 Unknown speaker [clears throat] you know, our waste
  4376. 3:09:19 Unknown speaker diversion goals here and really kind of
  4377. 3:09:21 Unknown speaker shift behavior. I have a feeling that I
  4378. 3:09:23 Unknown speaker I won't have that support here. Um but I
  4379. 3:09:26 Unknown speaker want to hear from from others before I
  4380. 3:09:28 Unknown speaker make a motion. Um, but I I do think this
  4381. 3:09:31 Unknown speaker is this is really great work and I think
  4382. 3:09:34 Unknown speaker in some ways if we do this right, we can
  4383. 3:09:36 Unknown speaker increase affordability and increase
  4384. 3:09:38 Unknown speaker alignment with our waste diversion goals
  4385. 3:09:40 Unknown speaker and I appreciate staff time on this, the
  4386. 3:09:42 Unknown speaker sustainability advisory board's time on
  4387. 3:09:43 Unknown speaker this u and many others. Um and and look
  4388. 3:09:46 Unknown speaker at the end of the day if people choose
  4389. 3:09:48 Unknown speaker not to compost or not to reduce the
  4390. 3:09:50 Unknown speaker amount of trash that there are other
  4391. 3:09:52 Unknown speaker societal costs and city costs and
  4392. 3:09:54 Unknown speaker community costs that we face and we
  4393. 3:09:55 Unknown speaker heard some of those from public comments
  4394. 3:09:57 Unknown speaker before on the environment and health
  4395. 3:09:59 Unknown speaker consequences and air quality
  4396. 3:10:00 Unknown speaker consequences. Um and frankly even you
  4397. 3:10:03 Unknown speaker know landfill long-term costs of you
  4398. 3:10:05 Unknown speaker know when landfills fill up that is a
  4399. 3:10:08 Unknown speaker problem too that we have to keep in
  4400. 3:10:10 Unknown speaker mind. Um, you know, that hopefully is
  4401. 3:10:13 Unknown speaker not in the immediate future, but uh it
  4402. 3:10:16 Unknown speaker is a problem for us to to keep in mind.
  4403. 3:10:17 Unknown speaker I do have a couple other guardrails I'd
  4404. 3:10:19 Unknown speaker love for us to tease out here, but I
  4405. 3:10:21 Unknown speaker want to hear from a few other folks
  4406. 3:10:22 Unknown speaker before I make a motion.
  4407. 3:10:24 Unknown speaker Council member Christ.
  4408. 3:10:26 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. And everybody fasten
  4409. 3:10:29 Unknown speaker your seat belts.
  4410. 3:10:32 Unknown speaker I'm in favor of the 60% also
  4411. 3:10:35 Unknown speaker uh because you actually have a better
  4412. 3:10:37 Unknown speaker benefit of lowering your cost. Um if you
  4413. 3:10:42 Unknown speaker go down to let's say 24 gallon solid
  4414. 3:10:45 Unknown speaker waste and 48 gallon composting, you can
  4415. 3:10:49 Unknown speaker you're below $10 a month.
  4416. 3:10:53 Unknown speaker Um which is quite economical. Now 24
  4417. 3:10:55 Unknown speaker gallons they only pick up every other
  4418. 3:10:56 Unknown speaker week because I did ask that question.
  4419. 3:10:58 Unknown speaker Um,
  4420. 3:11:00 Unknown speaker but I know I got all the same emails
  4421. 3:11:03 Unknown speaker that everyone else did and I have a
  4422. 3:11:05 Unknown speaker large family that lives near me and they
  4423. 3:11:08 Unknown speaker used to have two 96gallon bins. They
  4424. 3:11:11 Unknown speaker have now gone to 196 with a 96
  4425. 3:11:15 Unknown speaker composting and they seem to be doing
  4426. 3:11:17 Unknown speaker just fine with it. So, um, so we have to
  4427. 3:11:21 Unknown speaker think about the shift in usage, too. And
  4428. 3:11:24 Unknown speaker so I've been talking about this with my
  4429. 3:11:25 Unknown speaker own family and and they're you know kind
  4430. 3:11:30 Unknown speaker of like why would we have three bins but
  4431. 3:11:32 Unknown speaker the thing is um um to councelor Koffer's
  4432. 3:11:36 Unknown speaker point one of the reasons to go with a
  4433. 3:11:38 Unknown speaker 48gallon composting bin is we have a lot
  4434. 3:11:40 Unknown speaker of seniors and like over in the Hover
  4435. 3:11:43 Unknown speaker Manor area they just don't have room for
  4436. 3:11:45 Unknown speaker full-size bins and also uh because I'm
  4437. 3:11:48 Unknown speaker part of NGLA
  4438. 3:11:50 Unknown speaker a lot of um the community members that
  4439. 3:11:53 Unknown speaker come to that are seniors as well and
  4440. 3:11:55 Unknown speaker they can't fill the 96gallon compost
  4441. 3:11:57 Unknown speaker bins even though they're seriously
  4442. 3:11:59 Unknown speaker committed to composting. They just don't
  4443. 3:12:01 Unknown speaker have that kind of volume in their
  4444. 3:12:03 Unknown speaker household anymore. So it would save them
  4445. 3:12:06 Unknown speaker money to go to a 48 com 48 gallon
  4446. 3:12:09 Unknown speaker compost bin and also quite a bit of
  4447. 3:12:12 Unknown speaker money at the 60%. So
  4448. 3:12:17 Unknown speaker thank you uh Mayor Prom.
  4449. 3:12:19 Unknown speaker Thank you mayor.
  4450. 3:12:21 Unknown speaker Um, I'm in favor of the 60 as well. And
  4451. 3:12:25 Unknown speaker the reason being is this. I've been
  4452. 3:12:27 Unknown speaker living with the 24 gallon uh solid waste
  4453. 3:12:30 Unknown speaker and uh the 96gallon
  4454. 3:12:34 Unknown speaker uh composting for the last probably
  4455. 3:12:36 Unknown speaker five, six years ever since it we were
  4456. 3:12:39 Unknown speaker able to do it. And and so I guess my
  4457. 3:12:42 Unknown speaker feeling is is that there's really no
  4458. 3:12:44 Unknown speaker more room at the landfill. I mean, we're
  4459. 3:12:46 Unknown speaker getting to that point where we're we
  4460. 3:12:49 Unknown speaker have uh have to do something. And I
  4461. 3:12:52 Unknown speaker really think that uh the community needs
  4462. 3:12:55 Unknown speaker to understand that uh uh not composting
  4463. 3:13:00 Unknown speaker is not
  4464. 3:13:01 Unknown speaker should not be something where it's like,
  4465. 3:13:03 Unknown speaker oh, I choose not to. No, you need to.
  4466. 3:13:07 Unknown speaker It's it's that desperate and it's that
  4467. 3:13:10 Unknown speaker important. and uh and so I would I would
  4468. 3:13:13 Unknown speaker really encourage us to go with the 60
  4469. 3:13:17 Unknown speaker and uh [snorts]
  4470. 3:13:18 Unknown speaker uh subsidy.
  4471. 3:13:20 Unknown speaker Thank you, Council Member Marcen.
  4472. 3:13:23 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I I I want to I I
  4473. 3:13:26 Unknown speaker understand I'm going to be in the
  4474. 3:13:26 Unknown speaker minority here, so I'll be quick, but how
  4475. 3:13:28 Unknown speaker confident are we that lowering compost
  4476. 3:13:31 Unknown speaker rates is actually going to increase
  4477. 3:13:32 Unknown speaker participation in composting? I I want to
  4478. 3:13:34 Unknown speaker hear more a little bit more about the
  4479. 3:13:36 Unknown speaker the assessments that the consultant made
  4480. 3:13:39 Unknown speaker generally because the data that you've
  4481. 3:13:41 Unknown speaker that I've seen so far kind of suggests
  4482. 3:13:43 Unknown speaker that that the additional rate increase
  4483. 3:13:46 Unknown speaker hasn't moved behavior like you would
  4484. 3:13:48 Unknown speaker expect to see the rate increase have
  4485. 3:13:51 Unknown speaker people leave. So I'm I'm wondering
  4486. 3:13:53 Unknown speaker whether this is an issue of folks that
  4487. 3:13:55 Unknown speaker are going to compost are going to
  4488. 3:13:57 Unknown speaker compost and folks that aren't aren't.
  4489. 3:14:00 Unknown speaker And if we're charging more if we're
  4490. 3:14:02 Unknown speaker charging more for solid waste in the
  4491. 3:14:04 Unknown speaker 96gallon bins to subsidize that behavior
  4492. 3:14:07 Unknown speaker piece, I I want the data that shows that
  4493. 3:14:09 Unknown speaker it's actually going to move the needle.
  4494. 3:14:10 Unknown speaker I agree with everything that has been
  4495. 3:14:12 Unknown speaker said here about composting, about
  4496. 3:14:14 Unknown speaker landfill issues. I I agree with that. I
  4497. 3:14:17 Unknown speaker am not yet convinced that the data shows
  4498. 3:14:19 Unknown speaker that that the rate change actually
  4499. 3:14:21 Unknown speaker changes the behavior. And I understand
  4500. 3:14:23 Unknown speaker theoretically it does, but I've not seen
  4501. 3:14:25 Unknown speaker that data yet. So I'm curious about
  4502. 3:14:27 Unknown speaker those assessments.
  4503. 3:14:29 Unknown speaker Yeah, that's a good question. Um, we
  4504. 3:14:31 Unknown speaker don't have direct data. We have not
  4505. 3:14:34 Unknown speaker implemented this in our community, so we
  4506. 3:14:36 Unknown speaker don't know for sure what it's going to
  4507. 3:14:37 Unknown speaker be. Um, we did have a consultant um that
  4508. 3:14:42 Unknown speaker had come and presented to you, but we
  4509. 3:14:43 Unknown speaker did ask them what they thought would be
  4510. 3:14:45 Unknown speaker reasonable assumptions for growth and in
  4511. 3:14:49 Unknown speaker participation
  4512. 3:14:50 Unknown speaker depending on the level of subsidy. Um
  4513. 3:14:54 Unknown speaker and so th those numbers um personally I
  4514. 3:14:59 Unknown speaker had assumed twice that adoption rate but
  4515. 3:15:01 Unknown speaker when we spoke with a consultant they
  4516. 3:15:03 Unknown speaker said no I think it would be more
  4517. 3:15:05 Unknown speaker reasonable to assume 5% growth and I
  4518. 3:15:08 Unknown speaker want to be clear when I'm saying 5%
  4519. 3:15:10 Unknown speaker growth I'm not saying 5% of the
  4520. 3:15:12 Unknown speaker community is going to start composting
  4521. 3:15:14 Unknown speaker tomorrow. I'm saying 5% more of the
  4522. 3:15:17 Unknown speaker community is going to compost and is
  4523. 3:15:19 Unknown speaker currently composting.
  4524. 3:15:21 Unknown speaker So, um, so only a third of the community
  4525. 3:15:24 Unknown speaker compost today and I'm saying that that
  4526. 3:15:26 Unknown speaker would go from a third to a third plus 5%
  4527. 3:15:30 Unknown speaker of a third.
  4528. 3:15:31 Unknown speaker But everybody's rates go up on the
  4529. 3:15:33 Unknown speaker 96gallon bin.
  4530. 3:15:34 Unknown speaker Yes.
  4531. 3:15:35 Unknown speaker So, and that leads me to kind of ask
  4532. 3:15:38 Unknown speaker whose rates are going up in this
  4533. 3:15:39 Unknown speaker scenario, who is unevenly impacted by
  4534. 3:15:42 Unknown speaker this? And there was some info in the
  4535. 3:15:44 Unknown speaker council com that I didn't intend to pull
  4536. 3:15:46 Unknown speaker um just about kind of the the nature of
  4537. 3:15:49 Unknown speaker neighborhood distribution of composting
  4538. 3:15:51 Unknown speaker and the education gap that exists in
  4539. 3:15:54 Unknown speaker folks who compost and those who don't
  4540. 3:15:56 Unknown speaker and is that tied at bigger equity
  4541. 3:15:58 Unknown speaker concerns. So, I'll be very honest. My
  4542. 3:16:01 Unknown speaker strong preference would be to see us
  4543. 3:16:03 Unknown speaker focus on education around composting,
  4544. 3:16:06 Unknown speaker which so I I also had a question about
  4545. 3:16:08 Unknown speaker how much education we're actually doing
  4546. 3:16:10 Unknown speaker around composting from both the waste
  4547. 3:16:12 Unknown speaker from the the waste department and our
  4548. 3:16:14 Unknown speaker comm's team. Like I I agree completely
  4549. 3:16:17 Unknown speaker community engagement for sure. This
  4550. 3:16:18 Unknown speaker would be a place where that could go. I
  4551. 3:16:20 Unknown speaker think that's reasonable. I I I certainly
  4552. 3:16:24 Unknown speaker I want to see us get to our waste
  4553. 3:16:25 Unknown speaker diversion goals. I I am not convinced
  4554. 3:16:27 Unknown speaker that that this gets there without some
  4555. 3:16:30 Unknown speaker pretty difficult and inequitable
  4556. 3:16:33 Unknown speaker outcomes. Yeah.
  4557. 3:16:36 Unknown speaker If I can add one piece that to that
  4558. 3:16:38 Unknown speaker point that just for C council to be
  4559. 3:16:40 Unknown speaker cognizant of is that if you're let's
  4560. 3:16:44 Unknown speaker just say a family
  4561. 3:16:46 Unknown speaker Mhm.
  4562. 3:16:46 Unknown speaker that's larger than the average family
  4563. 3:16:49 Unknown speaker that has that is composting and has a
  4564. 3:16:53 Unknown speaker 96gallon container,
  4565. 3:16:55 Unknown speaker your your rates are going to go up.
  4566. 3:16:58 Unknown speaker Yep. and and so to the point you're
  4567. 3:17:01 Unknown speaker talking about that is a nuance that is
  4568. 3:17:04 Unknown speaker almost impossible to capture because
  4569. 3:17:06 Unknown speaker that is so dependent on family size and
  4570. 3:17:09 Unknown speaker family dynamics that that can impact
  4571. 3:17:12 Unknown speaker this. So, I just wanted council to be
  4572. 3:17:14 Unknown speaker aware of that as you're
  4573. 3:17:17 Unknown speaker um considering these options because
  4574. 3:17:18 Unknown speaker what I didn't want to have is a family
  4575. 3:17:20 Unknown speaker that comes in that says, "Hey, I am
  4576. 3:17:22 Unknown speaker composting and I have a 96gallon
  4577. 3:17:24 Unknown speaker container
  4578. 3:17:24 Unknown speaker and my rate went up
  4579. 3:17:25 Unknown speaker and my rate went up because my family's
  4580. 3:17:28 Unknown speaker such a size that
  4581. 3:17:30 Unknown speaker I need to do recycling composting and
  4582. 3:17:33 Unknown speaker the other size."
  4583. 3:17:34 Unknown speaker So, [snorts] I just wanted council to be
  4584. 3:17:35 Unknown speaker aware of that.
  4585. 3:17:36 Unknown speaker Yeah, I saw somebody else come up too.
  4586. 3:17:38 Unknown speaker So, I had one other but if there's
  4587. 3:17:40 Unknown speaker Yeah. So, I did phone a friend.
  4588. 3:17:41 Unknown speaker Francancy is going to um
  4589. 3:17:44 Unknown speaker maybe be able to speak to outreach.
  4590. 3:17:49 Unknown speaker Mayor and members of city council, my
  4591. 3:17:51 Unknown speaker name is Francancy Kirk Jaffy. I'm the
  4592. 3:17:53 Unknown speaker acting sustainability manager. Um so the
  4593. 3:17:57 Unknown speaker sustainability team works very closely
  4594. 3:17:58 Unknown speaker with waste services. We collaborate a
  4595. 3:18:01 Unknown speaker lot on education. So we are actually
  4596. 3:18:03 Unknown speaker currently working on a 2-year education
  4597. 3:18:06 Unknown speaker came with campaign with Ecoycle focused
  4598. 3:18:08 Unknown speaker on recycling and composting. And part of
  4599. 3:18:11 Unknown speaker that campaign, we actually worked with
  4600. 3:18:12 Unknown speaker our GIS team to map who has the largest
  4601. 3:18:16 Unknown speaker trash bins, who has the compost bins, um
  4602. 3:18:19 Unknown speaker who has recycling. For this portion of
  4603. 3:18:22 Unknown speaker the conversation, we focus on those
  4604. 3:18:23 Unknown speaker large trash bins and composting. And we
  4605. 3:18:26 Unknown speaker were able to identify areas and
  4606. 3:18:29 Unknown speaker neighborhoods in our community that has
  4607. 3:18:31 Unknown speaker that to help uh develop more targeted
  4608. 3:18:33 Unknown speaker outreach and engagement. Um as part of
  4609. 3:18:36 Unknown speaker that campaign um we also tried to look
  4610. 3:18:39 Unknown speaker at specific household um uh demographics
  4611. 3:18:44 Unknown speaker to determine if there who might get
  4612. 3:18:45 Unknown speaker impacted. Um so from that actually the
  4613. 3:18:48 Unknown speaker highest correlation that we found was um
  4614. 3:18:51 Unknown speaker those who had a four-year degree were
  4615. 3:18:52 Unknown speaker more likely to have composting. Um which
  4616. 3:18:56 Unknown speaker will really inform how we do our
  4617. 3:18:58 Unknown speaker outreach and really focus on that plain
  4618. 3:18:59 Unknown speaker language and trying to engage um folks
  4619. 3:19:02 Unknown speaker in that way. We also identified u two
  4620. 3:19:05 Unknown speaker manufactured home communities that were
  4621. 3:19:08 Unknown speaker less likely to have composting in the
  4622. 3:19:09 Unknown speaker larger bins. Again, another area we can
  4623. 3:19:11 Unknown speaker really dive into what's happening in
  4624. 3:19:13 Unknown speaker that situation. Um, so we're hoping kind
  4625. 3:19:16 Unknown speaker of that additional work in combination
  4626. 3:19:18 Unknown speaker with the um, uh, education campaign can
  4627. 3:19:22 Unknown speaker really help us really target some of our
  4628. 3:19:26 Unknown speaker engagement to those households that
  4629. 3:19:28 Unknown speaker currently have the large bin but don't
  4630. 3:19:30 Unknown speaker have composting um, so that they're well
  4631. 3:19:32 Unknown speaker informed.
  4632. 3:19:33 Unknown speaker Thank you for that. I I will just share
  4633. 3:19:35 Unknown speaker I would personally much prefer to see
  4634. 3:19:37 Unknown speaker the results of that education campaign
  4635. 3:19:39 Unknown speaker before making a decision on rate
  4636. 3:19:41 Unknown speaker subsidy. I understand that's not where
  4637. 3:19:42 Unknown speaker the majority of my council teammates are
  4638. 3:19:44 Unknown speaker at. Um, but I I am I'm just concerned
  4639. 3:19:48 Unknown speaker that we're targeting that that the folks
  4640. 3:19:50 Unknown speaker that are going to compost are going to
  4641. 3:19:51 Unknown speaker compost without additional education and
  4642. 3:19:53 Unknown speaker that those that aren't need that piece,
  4643. 3:19:56 Unknown speaker not necessarily the rate piece and that
  4644. 3:19:58 Unknown speaker we're asking a whole lot
  4645. 3:20:00 Unknown speaker disproportionately of low-income folks
  4646. 3:20:03 Unknown speaker um lower educated folks. And frankly, if
  4647. 3:20:05 Unknown speaker I'm being honest, folks in um the Latino
  4648. 3:20:09 Unknown speaker community, folks who are, you know,
  4649. 3:20:11 Unknown speaker disproportionately impacted by some of
  4650. 3:20:12 Unknown speaker these rate increases that we've seen the
  4651. 3:20:14 Unknown speaker data around. So, I will be a no on a
  4652. 3:20:16 Unknown speaker subsidy right now. Um but I I know I'm
  4653. 3:20:18 Unknown speaker in the minority there. So,
  4654. 3:20:19 Unknown speaker Okay. Um Council Member Popkin,
  4655. 3:20:23 Unknown speaker thanks, Mayor. Just um one or two more
  4656. 3:20:25 Unknown speaker questions and then I'm going to propose
  4657. 3:20:27 Unknown speaker a motion to see where where everyone is.
  4658. 3:20:29 Unknown speaker Um,
  4659. 3:20:31 Unknown speaker I think this is a really thoughtful
  4660. 3:20:32 Unknown speaker conversation overall and I think there
  4661. 3:20:33 Unknown speaker are a lot of different dynamics to this
  4662. 3:20:35 Unknown speaker and
  4663. 3:20:37 Unknown speaker you know I worry I I do worry about the
  4664. 3:20:41 Unknown speaker the cost impacts on people directly. I
  4665. 3:20:43 Unknown speaker also worry about the costs if we don't
  4666. 3:20:45 Unknown speaker achieve some of the goals that we're
  4667. 3:20:46 Unknown speaker setting that have other impacts on uh
  4668. 3:20:50 Unknown speaker everyone in our community and
  4669. 3:20:51 Unknown speaker particularly those perhaps who are uh
  4670. 3:20:54 Unknown speaker less um who have have fewer resources.
  4671. 3:20:57 Unknown speaker And so there are impacts immediately
  4672. 3:20:59 Unknown speaker from this decision now in front of us.
  4673. 3:21:01 Unknown speaker There are also impacts longer term. Um
  4674. 3:21:05 Unknown speaker and
  4675. 3:21:06 Unknown speaker and and so I I guess I wanted to offer
  4676. 3:21:10 Unknown speaker a couple final comments here. Where did
  4677. 3:21:12 Unknown speaker that go? Um
  4678. 3:21:16 Unknown speaker Francancy, you'd mentioned the
  4679. 3:21:17 Unknown speaker manufactured mobile homes. There is
  4680. 3:21:18 Unknown speaker there are the are the mobile home
  4681. 3:21:20 Unknown speaker properties that we have in our in our
  4682. 3:21:22 Unknown speaker community all eligible to like are they
  4683. 3:21:24 Unknown speaker all serviced by our way services or are
  4684. 3:21:26 Unknown speaker they all private?
  4685. 3:21:31 Unknown speaker Uh mayor and council member um Hopkin uh
  4686. 3:21:33 Unknown speaker all of the single family they're
  4687. 3:21:36 Unknown speaker considered single family uh for mobile
  4688. 3:21:37 Unknown speaker home parks and so they're all served by
  4689. 3:21:39 Unknown speaker the city.
  4690. 3:21:40 Unknown speaker Great. Okay. So they would be able to
  4691. 3:21:41 Unknown speaker take advantage of some of the cost
  4692. 3:21:43 Unknown speaker shifts and reductions if if that worked
  4693. 3:21:45 Unknown speaker for their their needs and style. Thank
  4694. 3:21:47 Unknown speaker you. Um I I do realize we don't know how
  4695. 3:21:49 Unknown speaker many people like we don't know we didn't
  4696. 3:21:52 Unknown speaker see a huge loss with the rate increase.
  4697. 3:21:54 Unknown speaker We also didn't see a huge gain and so we
  4698. 3:21:56 Unknown speaker don't know how many people didn't sign
  4699. 3:21:57 Unknown speaker up because of the price increase that we
  4700. 3:21:59 Unknown speaker did see. Um and we won't be able to get
  4701. 3:22:02 Unknown speaker we can't get that data. It's the
  4702. 3:22:03 Unknown speaker lighthouse effect. You don't know how
  4703. 3:22:04 Unknown speaker many ships did not crash into the shore
  4704. 3:22:06 Unknown speaker by putting up a lighthouse. Um, but I
  4705. 3:22:09 Unknown speaker think now that we're building a very
  4706. 3:22:11 Unknown speaker intentional subsidy into this, we will
  4707. 3:22:12 Unknown speaker see how many people do change their
  4708. 3:22:14 Unknown speaker behavior and if it's a one or two year,
  4709. 3:22:16 Unknown speaker in this case hopefully two, where we can
  4710. 3:22:18 Unknown speaker kind of study this, it'll give us more
  4711. 3:22:20 Unknown speaker clarity. I I think hearing some of the
  4712. 3:22:22 Unknown speaker concerns and seeing that we're kind of
  4713. 3:22:23 Unknown speaker split in in kind of the level. I I I am
  4714. 3:22:26 Unknown speaker going to go with where kind of the SAB
  4715. 3:22:29 Unknown speaker recommended on this um and propose a
  4716. 3:22:32 Unknown speaker motion on the 40% with a few caveats.
  4717. 3:22:34 Unknown speaker So, I'm going to make a motion to direct
  4718. 3:22:36 Unknown speaker staff to prepare a rate ordinance
  4719. 3:22:38 Unknown speaker reflecting the moderate rate subsidy of
  4720. 3:22:40 Unknown speaker 40%. For 2027 and 2028,
  4721. 3:22:44 Unknown speaker this should include, but is not limited
  4722. 3:22:46 Unknown speaker to, a no cost cart swap through June
  4723. 3:22:48 Unknown speaker 2027 and bilingual information with new
  4724. 3:22:51 Unknown speaker rate options and what can be composted,
  4725. 3:22:53 Unknown speaker sent to all city of Longmont residents
  4726. 3:22:55 Unknown speaker virtually or physically. Um, I give some
  4727. 3:22:57 Unknown speaker flexibility to staff in that language or
  4728. 3:22:59 Unknown speaker sorry, I proposed a motion. I will I
  4729. 3:23:02 Unknown speaker would welcome a second.
  4730. 3:23:03 Unknown speaker Second. Okay. So, we have a motion on
  4731. 3:23:06 Unknown speaker the table um to direct staff to draft an
  4732. 3:23:09 Unknown speaker ordinance for the 40% um where did it
  4733. 3:23:13 Unknown speaker go? Uh subsidy
  4734. 3:23:15 Unknown speaker rate and
  4735. 3:23:18 Unknown speaker um with some stipulations and um it was
  4736. 3:23:22 Unknown speaker seconded by Mayor Prom.
  4737. 3:23:25 Unknown speaker Go ahead.
  4738. 3:23:25 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um I'll just speak to a
  4739. 3:23:26 Unknown speaker couple additional components of this. I
  4740. 3:23:28 Unknown speaker was really on the fence between 40 and
  4741. 3:23:30 Unknown speaker 60. I think um Council Marcing, I share
  4742. 3:23:32 Unknown speaker some of your concerns. And I think the
  4743. 3:23:34 Unknown speaker steepness of the change um kind of
  4744. 3:23:36 Unknown speaker swayed me there of like let's let's see
  4745. 3:23:38 Unknown speaker what this adjusts. I do think that
  4746. 3:23:41 Unknown speaker um
  4747. 3:23:42 Unknown speaker you know I would love to understand from
  4748. 3:23:44 Unknown speaker people who for where there are either
  4749. 3:23:46 Unknown speaker physical property constraints or others
  4750. 3:23:48 Unknown speaker that make this harder uh and I think we
  4751. 3:23:50 Unknown speaker should learn from that and and actively
  4752. 3:23:52 Unknown speaker adjust as we go. Um but I think this
  4753. 3:23:54 Unknown speaker will help us make a lot of progress on
  4754. 3:23:56 Unknown speaker our waste diversion goals and help
  4755. 3:23:57 Unknown speaker reduce waste overall and give people an
  4756. 3:24:00 Unknown speaker incentive to do that. And I think that's
  4757. 3:24:02 Unknown speaker what the value of a price signal is.
  4758. 3:24:03 Unknown speaker We're offering opportunities to make
  4759. 3:24:05 Unknown speaker behavior changes and then reduce your
  4760. 3:24:07 Unknown speaker costs. And I think that is that is
  4761. 3:24:10 Unknown speaker something that uh I I really want to to
  4762. 3:24:13 Unknown speaker test out here and maybe not go to the uh
  4763. 3:24:16 Unknown speaker higher level at this point. One of the
  4764. 3:24:18 Unknown speaker things that um I Lance, correct me if
  4765. 3:24:20 Unknown speaker I'm wrong here, but the no cost uh I
  4766. 3:24:23 Unknown speaker included the no cost card sub uh swap
  4767. 3:24:25 Unknown speaker for six months because or through June
  4768. 3:24:27 Unknown speaker 20th 27 partly because my understanding
  4769. 3:24:30 Unknown speaker is if you were to change from like a
  4770. 3:24:32 Unknown speaker sixmonth or 12 month depending on the
  4771. 3:24:34 Unknown speaker services like you'd have to pay a fee
  4772. 3:24:36 Unknown speaker for that change. Is that correct?
  4773. 3:24:40 Unknown speaker Hi August.
  4774. 3:24:41 Unknown speaker Mayor, council member Hopkin August
  4775. 3:24:43 Unknown speaker Hendendrickson way services manager.
  4776. 3:24:45 Unknown speaker There's not currently a fee. Um, we have
  4777. 3:24:47 Unknown speaker a cancellation fee for compost if you
  4778. 3:24:49 Unknown speaker cancel it before the 12-month required
  4779. 3:24:51 Unknown speaker period.
  4780. 3:24:51 Unknown speaker Um, but with the cart change outs, we
  4781. 3:24:53 Unknown speaker typically ask residents to keep a cart
  4782. 3:24:54 Unknown speaker for 6 months just to avoid constantly
  4783. 3:24:57 Unknown speaker coming to your house and giving you
  4784. 3:24:58 Unknown speaker whatever cart you want that week. But in
  4785. 3:24:59 Unknown speaker this case, we'd obviously wave that
  4786. 3:25:01 Unknown speaker knowing that there was a policy change
  4787. 3:25:02 Unknown speaker that's directing these.
  4788. 3:25:04 Unknown speaker Yeah, I I wouldn't want it to be a
  4789. 3:25:05 Unknown speaker burden as people try to figure out kind
  4790. 3:25:07 Unknown speaker of the adjustment to the to a new
  4791. 3:25:09 Unknown speaker approach.
  4792. 3:25:10 Unknown speaker Um, and even someone I wouldn't want
  4793. 3:25:11 Unknown speaker someone to feel penalized if they tried
  4794. 3:25:13 Unknown speaker composting and then realized it didn't
  4795. 3:25:14 Unknown speaker work for them either. um which is why I
  4796. 3:25:17 Unknown speaker didn't want us to include that kind of
  4797. 3:25:19 Unknown speaker cost for the first six months of trying
  4798. 3:25:21 Unknown speaker this out. Um the other piece is I think
  4799. 3:25:23 Unknown speaker to council member Marcing's valid point
  4800. 3:25:25 Unknown speaker um and something I was going to say if
  4801. 3:25:26 Unknown speaker he didn't was like education really
  4802. 3:25:28 Unknown speaker matters on this of what can be composted
  4803. 3:25:31 Unknown speaker and uh the benefits of this and why
  4804. 3:25:33 Unknown speaker we're considering this. And so um you
  4805. 3:25:35 Unknown speaker know I I don't think I don't doubt for a
  4806. 3:25:37 Unknown speaker minute that staff wouldn't have done
  4807. 3:25:38 Unknown speaker this but I include that as just like a
  4808. 3:25:40 Unknown speaker reinforcement of the how important I
  4809. 3:25:42 Unknown speaker think that is to making this as
  4810. 3:25:43 Unknown speaker successful as possible. And my hope is
  4811. 3:25:45 Unknown speaker that we get to learn by doing here for a
  4812. 3:25:48 Unknown speaker year or two here. And if something's not
  4813. 3:25:50 Unknown speaker working, we can adjust. If something
  4814. 3:25:51 Unknown speaker could be stronger, we can adjust. But
  4815. 3:25:53 Unknown speaker this is, you know, I think as
  4816. 3:25:57 Unknown speaker as aligned of a signal as we could
  4817. 3:26:00 Unknown speaker probably execute right now. Um, and I
  4818. 3:26:02 Unknown speaker think that's exciting. So, um, I really
  4819. 3:26:04 Unknown speaker appreciate all the work that staff has
  4820. 3:26:06 Unknown speaker put into this. Um, my last hope, what
  4821. 3:26:09 Unknown speaker was I going to say on this? Oh, my thank
  4822. 3:26:11 Unknown speaker you. My last clarification, we just
  4823. 3:26:12 Unknown speaker talked about the CARES program and my
  4824. 3:26:14 Unknown speaker understanding is that the waste program
  4825. 3:26:16 Unknown speaker is we have uh rebates and assistance
  4826. 3:26:18 Unknown speaker covered through that, correct? And that
  4827. 3:26:20 Unknown speaker includes composting and trash.
  4828. 3:26:25 Unknown speaker Hello. Uh the the waste related rebate
  4829. 3:26:29 Unknown speaker for for CARES is a rebate of the waste
  4830. 3:26:32 Unknown speaker management fee in its entirety because
  4831. 3:26:34 Unknown speaker that's the only part that you cannot
  4832. 3:26:36 Unknown speaker affect by your behavior.
  4833. 3:26:39 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4834. 3:26:39 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Council
  4835. 3:26:42 Unknown speaker Member Christ.
  4836. 3:26:44 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor.
  4837. 3:26:46 Unknown speaker Uh, just to clarify, um, Lance, you and
  4838. 3:26:50 Unknown speaker I [clears throat] had, um, an email
  4839. 3:26:52 Unknown speaker about this, but the recycle bin size
  4840. 3:26:54 Unknown speaker will stay the same at 96 gallons
  4841. 3:26:57 Unknown speaker for everybody.
  4842. 3:27:00 Unknown speaker Well, we do have a 48 gallon recycling.
  4843. 3:27:02 Unknown speaker Oh, I'm sorry. Recycling. Recycling.
  4844. 3:27:04 Unknown speaker Yes, recycling. Yes. So recycling,
  4845. 3:27:06 Unknown speaker you've got 96 gallons of recycling and
  4846. 3:27:09 Unknown speaker you can have 96 gallons of compost or
  4847. 3:27:13 Unknown speaker 48 gallons of compost. Okay. So I just
  4848. 3:27:16 Unknown speaker want to point out that if we look at
  4849. 3:27:19 Unknown speaker what the 2027 adopted
  4850. 3:27:23 Unknown speaker um rates are
  4851. 3:27:27 Unknown speaker just across the board, it's $41.20.
  4852. 3:27:32 Unknown speaker Um you're looking at the 28.80 80 for 96
  4853. 3:27:34 Unknown speaker gall and 1240 for n for 96 gall. So 96
  4854. 3:27:39 Unknown speaker gall comparatively for all these at 60%
  4855. 3:27:42 Unknown speaker it's actually cheaper than that it's
  4856. 3:27:44 Unknown speaker $41.14
  4857. 3:27:46 Unknown speaker but at 40% it's more expensive $41.98.
  4858. 3:27:51 Unknown speaker If you look at 48 gallons and we're
  4859. 3:27:55 Unknown speaker talking about um
  4860. 3:27:58 Unknown speaker a 60% subsidy,
  4861. 3:28:01 Unknown speaker 48 gallons, so we'll say 16.45
  4862. 3:28:05 Unknown speaker plus 330,
  4863. 3:28:07 Unknown speaker it's $19.75.
  4864. 3:28:10 Unknown speaker But if you look at the 40% subsidy,
  4865. 3:28:13 Unknown speaker $1,55
  4866. 3:28:15 Unknown speaker plus $4.95, it's actually more
  4867. 3:28:17 Unknown speaker expensive, $20.50.
  4868. 3:28:20 Unknown speaker So for me, maybe this just my household,
  4869. 3:28:23 Unknown speaker I am incentivized by saving money and I
  4870. 3:28:25 Unknown speaker think a lot of people are um I think I
  4871. 3:28:28 Unknown speaker agree with uh councelor Marsing here in
  4872. 3:28:31 Unknown speaker that this is a perfect example of where
  4873. 3:28:34 Unknown speaker we need to get stakeholders together
  4874. 3:28:36 Unknown speaker because one of the one of the big things
  4875. 3:28:38 Unknown speaker I faced when I first got on council was
  4876. 3:28:41 Unknown speaker what happened when we decided to charge
  4877. 3:28:43 Unknown speaker businesses for recycling and they didn't
  4878. 3:28:45 Unknown speaker know anything about it until they got
  4879. 3:28:47 Unknown speaker the notice.
  4880. 3:28:48 Unknown speaker And we just need to tell people and get
  4881. 3:28:52 Unknown speaker them together and let them know what's
  4882. 3:28:53 Unknown speaker happening and then they can look at
  4883. 3:28:55 Unknown speaker these prices and make a decision based
  4884. 3:28:58 Unknown speaker on cost savings
  4885. 3:29:00 Unknown speaker because I think they people would be
  4886. 3:29:01 Unknown speaker willing to compost realizing that they
  4887. 3:29:03 Unknown speaker have 96 gallons of recycling and
  4888. 3:29:05 Unknown speaker potentially 96 gallons of composting.
  4889. 3:29:08 Unknown speaker Why do you need such a big trash bin? So
  4890. 3:29:11 Unknown speaker I think it could be helpful
  4891. 3:29:13 Unknown speaker and I think we need to get the community
  4892. 3:29:15 Unknown speaker engagement team involved in this. Okay.
  4893. 3:29:17 Unknown speaker Thank you. Okay, so um we have an active
  4894. 3:29:21 Unknown speaker motion on the floor and um no one else
  4895. 3:29:25 Unknown speaker in the queue. Let's go ahead and vote on
  4896. 3:29:26 Unknown speaker this.
  4897. 3:29:30 Unknown speaker [snorts]
  4898. 3:29:40 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. And that carries 4 to three
  4899. 3:29:42 Unknown speaker with council members um Christ, Marcen,
  4900. 3:29:45 Unknown speaker and Prito in opposition. So,
  4901. 3:29:50 Unknown speaker okay.
  4902. 3:29:51 Unknown speaker So, you have your direction. Thank you.
  4903. 3:29:53 Unknown speaker So, we are now on to item E. Appoint
  4904. 3:29:56 Unknown speaker council members to technology advisory
  4905. 3:29:59 Unknown speaker board application review committee.
  4906. 3:30:03 Unknown speaker and
  4907. 3:30:06 Unknown speaker assistant city manager Sandy Cedar.
  4908. 3:30:09 Unknown speaker Well, hello again, Mayor.
  4909. 3:30:11 Unknown speaker You have the floor. Thank [laughter]
  4910. 3:30:12 Unknown speaker you. Um, so last week you all asked us
  4911. 3:30:15 Unknown speaker to bring back this item uh to appoint a
  4912. 3:30:17 Unknown speaker couple folks and a process for choosing
  4913. 3:30:19 Unknown speaker the new technology policy advisory
  4914. 3:30:21 Unknown speaker board. Um, at that conversation, council
  4915. 3:30:24 Unknown speaker member Christ and council member Popkin
  4916. 3:30:26 Unknown speaker had um I think suggested or had some
  4917. 3:30:29 Unknown speaker interest in being part of that interview
  4918. 3:30:30 Unknown speaker team. But the motion actually requires
  4919. 3:30:32 Unknown speaker six spots. Now, here's the thing is that
  4920. 3:30:36 Unknown speaker two of you could do two roles. So, there
  4921. 3:30:39 Unknown speaker are two people that we need for looking
  4922. 3:30:41 Unknown speaker at the applications. Two people for the
  4923. 3:30:44 Unknown speaker interviews and two people as alternates.
  4924. 3:30:47 Unknown speaker Now, the first two people and the second
  4925. 3:30:49 Unknown speaker two people could be the same people. So,
  4926. 3:30:52 Unknown speaker okay.
  4927. 3:30:52 Unknown speaker Um that that's where we are for this
  4928. 3:30:54 Unknown speaker conversation. Uh I think the other one
  4929. 3:30:56 Unknown speaker was um suggested council member Kofheer
  4930. 3:30:58 Unknown speaker as an alternate. So that's where we are
  4931. 3:31:00 Unknown speaker so far.
  4932. 3:31:01 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4933. 3:31:01 Unknown speaker I need at least one more alternate and a
  4934. 3:31:04 Unknown speaker decision as to whether other people want
  4935. 3:31:05 Unknown speaker to be involved in the interview part of
  4936. 3:31:07 Unknown speaker it.
  4937. 3:31:07 Unknown speaker So it looks like we have four from based
  4938. 3:31:10 Unknown speaker on unless you've changed your mind. Um
  4939. 3:31:13 Unknown speaker we had council members Christ and
  4940. 3:31:15 Unknown speaker council member Popkin for the interview
  4941. 3:31:19 Unknown speaker committee with council member Kuffer
  4942. 3:31:21 Unknown speaker serving as an alternate. So those three.
  4943. 3:31:25 Unknown speaker So now we need to look at two people for
  4944. 3:31:28 Unknown speaker the interview. I mean the um application
  4945. 3:31:31 Unknown speaker application review and one more
  4946. 3:31:33 Unknown speaker alternate alternate. Yeah.
  4947. 3:31:34 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4948. 3:31:34 Unknown speaker And those who are doing the interview
  4949. 3:31:36 Unknown speaker could also do the applicant application
  4950. 3:31:38 Unknown speaker if they chose to do both.
  4951. 3:31:40 Unknown speaker Okay. So we have a willing to do both.
  4952. 3:31:42 Unknown speaker Um okay. Council member Popkin.
  4953. 3:31:47 Unknown speaker I was just going to use the mic. Um, I I
  4954. 3:31:49 Unknown speaker would be will uh actually my first
  4955. 3:31:51 Unknown speaker choice would be to help with the
  4956. 3:31:52 Unknown speaker application review first and then if we
  4957. 3:31:55 Unknown speaker needed a spot for the interviews if
  4958. 3:31:56 Unknown speaker someone else didn't want it, I'd be
  4959. 3:31:58 Unknown speaker willing to do it, but I would actually
  4960. 3:31:59 Unknown speaker put myself first on the the application
  4961. 3:32:02 Unknown speaker screen first.
  4962. 3:32:03 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay.
  4963. 3:32:05 Unknown speaker And since you already volunteered to be
  4964. 3:32:07 Unknown speaker on the interview committee, there are no
  4965. 3:32:08 Unknown speaker takebacks. So, you will be on there.
  4966. 3:32:10 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  4967. 3:32:12 Unknown speaker So, it sounds like council member Chris
  4968. 3:32:13 Unknown speaker will take two of those roles looking at
  4969. 3:32:15 Unknown speaker both applications and interviews.
  4970. 3:32:16 Unknown speaker Council member Pacman will look at apps.
  4971. 3:32:17 Unknown speaker Does anybody else want tobody
  4972. 3:32:20 Unknown speaker actual interviews?
  4973. 3:32:23 Unknown speaker Council member Kulkoffer.
  4974. 3:32:26 Unknown speaker I'm happy to do interviews and I'm also
  4975. 3:32:28 Unknown speaker happy to be alternate. So,
  4976. 3:32:30 Unknown speaker okay.
  4977. 3:32:32 Unknown speaker Okay. So, we have three people who are
  4978. 3:32:34 Unknown speaker willing to do both.
  4979. 3:32:36 Unknown speaker Okay. [laughter] We need one more
  4980. 3:32:37 Unknown speaker alternate.
  4981. 3:32:38 Unknown speaker Do do we need Okay,
  4982. 3:32:39 Unknown speaker we need one more alternate.
  4983. 3:32:40 Unknown speaker One more alternate.
  4984. 3:32:41 Unknown speaker Be an alternate.
  4985. 3:32:42 Unknown speaker Um I can I can do it.
  4986. 3:32:44 Unknown speaker Okay. Okay. Seeing how everybody's like
  4987. 3:32:46 Unknown speaker clawing for this.
  4988. 3:32:48 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  4989. 3:32:51 Unknown speaker One, two, three. Not it.
  4990. 3:32:54 Unknown speaker Okay.
  4991. 3:32:56 Unknown speaker So, um, also
  4992. 3:32:57 Unknown speaker it's a full moon. Okay. My kids have
  4993. 3:32:59 Unknown speaker been squirly all all week.
  4994. 3:33:00 Unknown speaker And Mercury's in retrograde, I've heard.
  4995. 3:33:02 Unknown speaker Or
  4996. 3:33:03 Unknown speaker Yeah. I don't know. Something's going
  4997. 3:33:04 Unknown speaker changing. [laughter] That's right. Time
  4998. 3:33:05 Unknown speaker changed on Sunday.
  4999. 3:33:06 Unknown speaker Yes. Oh my god. And Halloween.
  5000. 3:33:08 Unknown speaker And Halloween. That's right.
  5001. 3:33:10 Unknown speaker Okay. So, that's all I need for the
  5002. 3:33:12 Unknown speaker interviews. I would say also thank you
  5003. 3:33:13 Unknown speaker to those of you who put in some
  5004. 3:33:15 Unknown speaker interview questions. We have 15
  5005. 3:33:16 Unknown speaker interview questions. There is some
  5006. 3:33:17 Unknown speaker overlap, so I'll reduce that piece of it
  5007. 3:33:19 Unknown speaker and uh and pull that together for for
  5008. 3:33:21 Unknown speaker the panel. So, okay.
  5009. 3:33:22 Unknown speaker Um, so I think I'm hearing
  5010. 3:33:25 Unknown speaker Council Member Popkin, Council Member
  5011. 3:33:26 Unknown speaker Christopher, both applications and
  5012. 3:33:28 Unknown speaker interviews. Council member Kofheer and
  5013. 3:33:31 Unknown speaker Mayor as alternates.
  5014. 3:33:33 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5015. 3:33:34 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5016. 3:33:34 Unknown speaker Or interviews. Council member Koffer.
  5017. 3:33:37 Unknown speaker Yes. Or interviews. Yes. So, if you
  5018. 3:33:40 Unknown speaker decide you don't want to do the
  5019. 3:33:41 Unknown speaker interview, We could feel free to take
  5020. 3:33:43 Unknown speaker that if you want.
  5021. 3:33:43 Unknown speaker Okay. Sure.
  5022. 3:33:44 Unknown speaker So, I'll be council. Yeah, he'll be an
  5023. 3:33:47 Unknown speaker alternate. Okay, perfect.
  5024. 3:33:51 Unknown speaker Mayor, I do have a question.
  5025. 3:33:52 Unknown speaker Yeah. Oh, yeah. You're still on the mic.
  5026. 3:33:54 Unknown speaker Yeah,
  5027. 3:33:54 Unknown speaker you turned it on. I'm like, I might
  5028. 3:33:56 Unknown speaker No, you are.
  5029. 3:33:57 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5030. 3:33:57 Unknown speaker When when do we figure out the liaison
  5031. 3:33:59 Unknown speaker for this board,
  5032. 3:34:02 Unknown speaker mayor? That's that's up to you. We don't
  5033. 3:34:03 Unknown speaker need the liaison until January, but I
  5034. 3:34:06 Unknown speaker know you and I had talked about maybe
  5035. 3:34:07 Unknown speaker people who had interest could let you
  5036. 3:34:08 Unknown speaker know.
  5037. 3:34:09 Unknown speaker Yes. And then you you should have that
  5038. 3:34:11 Unknown speaker discussion. I think
  5039. 3:34:12 Unknown speaker I I think we do need to have an open
  5040. 3:34:15 Unknown speaker discussion around who would who's
  5041. 3:34:16 Unknown speaker interested in the liaison piece and then
  5042. 3:34:20 Unknown speaker that that way you know just let me know
  5043. 3:34:22 Unknown speaker and then we can weigh it with other
  5044. 3:34:24 Unknown speaker boards and commissions that you're on if
  5045. 3:34:26 Unknown speaker there's one that you want to remove
  5046. 3:34:28 Unknown speaker because you prefer this you know we'll
  5047. 3:34:30 Unknown speaker be looking at the whole gamut and I see
  5048. 3:34:32 Unknown speaker you two over there. [laughter]
  5049. 3:34:35 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5050. 3:34:35 Unknown speaker So did that answer your question? Okay.
  5051. 3:34:38 Unknown speaker Council member Popkin.
  5052. 3:34:39 Unknown speaker Uh, thank you. Just before we wrap up
  5053. 3:34:41 Unknown speaker this topic, I was curious if you or Don
  5054. 3:34:42 Unknown speaker could just share how many total
  5055. 3:34:44 Unknown speaker applications we ultimately received for
  5056. 3:34:45 Unknown speaker this board.
  5057. 3:34:46 Unknown speaker I think we ended up with 42.
  5058. 3:34:48 Unknown speaker Yeah. Mayor, mayor and council, I think
  5059. 3:34:50 Unknown speaker we have 42 total. One of those was not
  5060. 3:34:53 Unknown speaker qualified. So, 41 applicants. A
  5061. 3:34:55 Unknown speaker substantial group.
  5062. 3:34:56 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  5063. 3:34:57 Unknown speaker Cool.
  5064. 3:34:58 Unknown speaker Take it back.
  5065. 3:34:59 Unknown speaker Thank you very much. [laughter]
  5066. 3:35:01 Unknown speaker Yeah. No takebacks. Okay.
  5067. 3:35:02 Unknown speaker No takebacks. That's right. I will work
  5068. 3:35:04 Unknown speaker with uh y'all to figure out a good time
  5069. 3:35:06 Unknown speaker for taking a look at all of these uh
  5070. 3:35:08 Unknown speaker applications and setting up these
  5071. 3:35:10 Unknown speaker interviews.
  5072. 3:35:10 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5073. 3:35:11 Unknown speaker Thanks very much.
  5074. 3:35:11 Unknown speaker Uhhuh. Thank you. Now we're on to the
  5075. 3:35:14 Unknown speaker last item
  5076. 3:35:16 Unknown speaker um which is the 2027 city council lura
  5077. 3:35:20 Unknown speaker and LHA board of commission
  5078. 3:35:23 Unknown speaker commissioners meeting schedule.
  5079. 3:35:26 Unknown speaker Mayor and council Don Kintana city
  5080. 3:35:27 Unknown speaker clerk. We're here to look at your 2027
  5081. 3:35:30 Unknown speaker meeting schedule. We do this every year
  5082. 3:35:32 Unknown speaker for planning purposes. So, um staff
  5083. 3:35:34 Unknown speaker knows what to expect and we always plan
  5084. 3:35:37 Unknown speaker through January in the coming year so
  5085. 3:35:39 Unknown speaker that we're not um hung up in the end of
  5086. 3:35:42 Unknown speaker the year wondering what January will be.
  5087. 3:35:44 Unknown speaker So, uh on the screen is January 2027.
  5088. 3:35:47 Unknown speaker You have already approved this schedule
  5089. 3:35:50 Unknown speaker last year. Um you could of course amend
  5090. 3:35:53 Unknown speaker if you needed to but uh January has an
  5091. 3:35:56 Unknown speaker open forum on the 5th, regular session
  5092. 3:35:58 Unknown speaker on the 12th, lura on the 19th uh and
  5093. 3:36:01 Unknown speaker regular session on the 26. So generally
  5094. 3:36:03 Unknown speaker 2027 we've kept uh as required by
  5095. 3:36:07 Unknown speaker charter. Two regular sessions each
  5096. 3:36:09 Unknown speaker month. Those are two weeks apart so we
  5097. 3:36:12 Unknown speaker can keep ordinances flowing through the
  5098. 3:36:14 Unknown speaker process whenever possible. There is uh
  5099. 3:36:16 Unknown speaker one instance where that is not going to
  5100. 3:36:18 Unknown speaker work well in 2027. you'll see.
  5101. 3:36:21 Unknown speaker Um, also keep the lura LHA alternation
  5102. 3:36:25 Unknown speaker of every other month that we've done in
  5103. 3:36:26 Unknown speaker 2026. It seemed to work well according
  5104. 3:36:29 Unknown speaker to both of those liaison.
  5105. 3:36:31 Unknown speaker Um, and um, keeping that lura LHA
  5106. 3:36:36 Unknown speaker usually on the third Tuesday, not
  5107. 3:36:38 Unknown speaker always. The other thing we've kept is um
  5108. 3:36:41 Unknown speaker that I did not add here is the pre
  5109. 3:36:44 Unknown speaker session, your council presession
  5110. 3:36:47 Unknown speaker um on the first
  5111. 3:36:49 Unknown speaker uh at before the first regular session
  5112. 3:36:51 Unknown speaker of each month. So that would be January
  5113. 3:36:52 Unknown speaker 12th would be your presession there.
  5114. 3:36:56 Unknown speaker So my thought was if we stop me if
  5115. 3:36:59 Unknown speaker there's any changes you'd like to see.
  5116. 3:37:00 Unknown speaker There are a couple questions here and I
  5117. 3:37:02 Unknown speaker see some lights.
  5118. 3:37:03 Unknown speaker I'm taking some notes real quick.
  5119. 3:37:05 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5120. 3:37:06 Unknown speaker Be patient, please. Um, Council Member
  5121. 3:37:09 Unknown speaker Marcen.
  5122. 3:37:11 Unknown speaker All right, Mayor. Hi, Don. Uh, so I went
  5123. 3:37:13 Unknown speaker through and and identified what I think
  5124. 3:37:15 Unknown speaker your questions are,
  5125. 3:37:16 Unknown speaker although I probably should wait for your
  5126. 3:37:18 Unknown speaker questions to be really clear so that I
  5127. 3:37:20 Unknown speaker know what you're seeking direction on
  5128. 3:37:21 Unknown speaker specifically. But based on the calendar,
  5129. 3:37:23 Unknown speaker because I I know wedding planning is
  5130. 3:37:25 Unknown speaker something we're especially good at on a
  5131. 3:37:26 Unknown speaker calendar. Um, it I I had a few thoughts,
  5132. 3:37:31 Unknown speaker but I I I guess I want to make sure I
  5133. 3:37:33 Unknown speaker know what you're specifically looking
  5134. 3:37:35 Unknown speaker for direction on before I offer my
  5135. 3:37:37 Unknown speaker unsolicited thoughts on calendar
  5136. 3:37:38 Unknown speaker planning um before I I jump the gun. So,
  5137. 3:37:41 Unknown speaker if you have specific dates and and and
  5138. 3:37:44 Unknown speaker things that you need direction on, I'll
  5139. 3:37:46 Unknown speaker I I'd wait on that.
  5140. 3:37:47 Unknown speaker That's great. We usually go month by
  5141. 3:37:49 Unknown speaker month and just kind of take it one at a
  5142. 3:37:51 Unknown speaker one month at a time and
  5143. 3:37:52 Unknown speaker and go from there where there's
  5144. 3:37:54 Unknown speaker questions.
  5145. 3:37:54 Unknown speaker It can go fast.
  5146. 3:37:56 Unknown speaker It is it does go fast. Yes, trust me.
  5147. 3:37:59 Unknown speaker Please trust the process.
  5148. 3:38:00 Unknown speaker This is the wedding planning council.
  5149. 3:38:02 Unknown speaker Okay. So, and we are um looking at just
  5150. 3:38:05 Unknown speaker January right now.
  5151. 3:38:06 Unknown speaker At this moment.
  5152. 3:38:06 Unknown speaker At this moment. We're just looking at
  5153. 3:38:08 Unknown speaker January. So, if anyone has any comments
  5154. 3:38:11 Unknown speaker or um
  5155. 3:38:12 Unknown speaker suggestions for the month of January,
  5156. 3:38:15 Unknown speaker go ahead. Since I have the microphone
  5157. 3:38:17 Unknown speaker currently, I will make a suggestion that
  5158. 3:38:18 Unknown speaker my good friend council member Koffer
  5159. 3:38:20 Unknown speaker asked about um just a moment ago.
  5160. 3:38:22 Unknown speaker Um and this is more a a outreach
  5161. 3:38:26 Unknown speaker question, but it
  5162. 3:38:27 Unknown speaker but it it is there and it's coffee with
  5163. 3:38:29 Unknown speaker council generally. Um I know we've
  5164. 3:38:32 Unknown speaker talked a lot about changes to coffee
  5165. 3:38:34 Unknown speaker with council about the path forward and
  5166. 3:38:36 Unknown speaker I don't know, mayor, if you think this
  5167. 3:38:37 Unknown speaker is an appropriate time or not to have
  5168. 3:38:39 Unknown speaker that conversation. I'm happy to wait. I
  5169. 3:38:40 Unknown speaker I mean could we do it at two o'clock in
  5170. 3:38:42 Unknown speaker the afternoon every other month or some
  5171. 3:38:44 Unknown speaker some some kind of alternating schedule
  5172. 3:38:46 Unknown speaker because we are I mean it it would be
  5173. 3:38:50 Unknown speaker helpful in my opinion on an outreach
  5174. 3:38:51 Unknown speaker side to make that
  5175. 3:38:52 Unknown speaker and we have time to determine the time
  5176. 3:38:55 Unknown speaker we just want to set the day
  5177. 3:38:57 Unknown speaker actually mayor
  5178. 3:38:59 Unknown speaker council is not part of this conversation
  5179. 3:39:01 Unknown speaker today you've given us that direction so
  5180. 3:39:05 Unknown speaker um Erica Marz Mado has put together a
  5181. 3:39:08 Unknown speaker survey I just read it and approved it so
  5182. 3:39:10 Unknown speaker it'll will be coming to you and it asks
  5183. 3:39:12 Unknown speaker those questions. Do you want the right
  5184. 3:39:14 Unknown speaker same day? Do you want the same time? Who
  5185. 3:39:15 Unknown speaker are your target audiences? Where would
  5186. 3:39:17 Unknown speaker you like to hold it? So, you'll receive
  5187. 3:39:19 Unknown speaker that probably tomorrow morning. So,
  5188. 3:39:21 Unknown speaker fantastic. Thank you. Thanks. I'll wait.
  5189. 3:39:24 Unknown speaker Thank you, Council Member Christ.
  5190. 3:39:27 Unknown speaker Uh, thank you, Mayor. So, my first thing
  5191. 3:39:29 Unknown speaker that I'm going to say is could we move
  5192. 3:39:30 Unknown speaker coffee with council to the 23rd? I know
  5193. 3:39:33 Unknown speaker we we planned on this, but let me just
  5194. 3:39:35 Unknown speaker throw this out because this will be a
  5195. 3:39:37 Unknown speaker recurring theme. It'd be nice to have
  5196. 3:39:38 Unknown speaker the three three-day weekend.
  5197. 3:39:41 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  5198. 3:39:41 Unknown speaker So, Council Member Chris, it's fill out
  5199. 3:39:44 Unknown speaker the survey is what I would say that is
  5200. 3:39:46 Unknown speaker the Erica's going to send it tomorrow
  5201. 3:39:47 Unknown speaker morning. Please put that in there.
  5202. 3:39:49 Unknown speaker So, it is up for negotiation.
  5203. 3:39:50 Unknown speaker It is totally up for negotiation. They
  5204. 3:39:52 Unknown speaker are up for negotiation. So, right now,
  5205. 3:39:55 Unknown speaker right now, we are just looking at the
  5206. 3:39:57 Unknown speaker city c the one in bolded on Tuesdays,
  5207. 3:40:00 Unknown speaker city council, Laura, and LHA. So, go
  5208. 3:40:03 Unknown speaker ahead. I read this in the council
  5209. 3:40:04 Unknown speaker communication that you also I'm going to
  5210. 3:40:06 Unknown speaker suggest January 30th for the retreat.
  5211. 3:40:09 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5212. 3:40:10 Unknown speaker Because that was also a question that
  5213. 3:40:12 Unknown speaker was
  5214. 3:40:12 Unknown speaker we'll put it. Yeah. But right now we're
  5215. 3:40:13 Unknown speaker just talking about Tuesday night.
  5216. 3:40:15 Unknown speaker I think it would be okay to add the
  5217. 3:40:17 Unknown speaker retreat.
  5218. 3:40:17 Unknown speaker Okay. Item there. If you wanted to
  5219. 3:40:19 Unknown speaker discuss that if if January 30th works
  5220. 3:40:21 Unknown speaker for folks, that's fine.
  5221. 3:40:22 Unknown speaker Um I'm not ready to have that.
  5222. 3:40:23 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  5223. 3:40:24 Unknown speaker That's fine.
  5224. 3:40:24 Unknown speaker Well, just pencil it in and we'll come
  5225. 3:40:26 Unknown speaker back
  5226. 3:40:26 Unknown speaker because this wasn't in our packet. Um
  5227. 3:40:29 Unknown speaker wasn't it?
  5228. 3:40:30 Unknown speaker No.
  5229. 3:40:30 Unknown speaker No. No. Um, council member Popkin
  5230. 3:40:34 Unknown speaker calendars.
  5231. 3:40:36 Unknown speaker Uh, thank you. I just I guess while
  5232. 3:40:38 Unknown speaker we're on January, I wanted to ask a
  5233. 3:40:39 Unknown speaker question about the open forum. If if
  5234. 3:40:42 Unknown speaker doing it on the very first Tuesday
  5235. 3:40:43 Unknown speaker coming back is like optimal in terms of
  5236. 3:40:46 Unknown speaker public participation standpoint.
  5237. 3:40:48 Unknown speaker Sure.
  5238. 3:40:49 Unknown speaker Um, [laughter]
  5239. 3:40:50 Unknown speaker I'm I'm
  5240. 3:40:51 Unknown speaker if if people don't have concerns, that's
  5241. 3:40:52 Unknown speaker fine. I was just wondering if like some
  5242. 3:40:54 Unknown speaker people would be out or or like kind of
  5243. 3:40:57 Unknown speaker wouldn't be tuned in as much at that
  5244. 3:40:58 Unknown speaker point coming out of the holidays. and we
  5245. 3:41:00 Unknown speaker just wanted to kind of respect that that
  5246. 3:41:03 Unknown speaker is something that people value.
  5247. 3:41:05 Unknown speaker Okay. Um yeah, I mean because I'm also
  5248. 3:41:09 Unknown speaker looking at the regular session. We have
  5249. 3:41:12 Unknown speaker a presession that precedes a first
  5250. 3:41:14 Unknown speaker regular session. Um we'll have a second
  5251. 3:41:17 Unknown speaker one and we do block that third um for
  5252. 3:41:20 Unknown speaker LURA or LHA.
  5253. 3:41:23 Unknown speaker Um I just yeah I don't know
  5254. 3:41:27 Unknown speaker if we there's other folks that
  5255. 3:41:29 Unknown speaker if we took the open form off January 5th
  5256. 3:41:31 Unknown speaker Mayor there isn't [clears throat] a spot
  5257. 3:41:33 Unknown speaker in January for it. Um and there are a
  5258. 3:41:36 Unknown speaker few spots that might be a good spots for
  5259. 3:41:39 Unknown speaker open form throughout the year in this
  5260. 3:41:42 Unknown speaker calendar year. They're not going to fall
  5261. 3:41:43 Unknown speaker it doesn't lay out like January and July
  5262. 3:41:46 Unknown speaker as nicely.
  5263. 3:41:48 Unknown speaker Um so maybe we squeeze them in. If you
  5264. 3:41:49 Unknown speaker want to change that one to a study
  5265. 3:41:51 Unknown speaker session you certainly could. Uh, it's
  5266. 3:41:53 Unknown speaker really up to the council.
  5267. 3:41:56 Unknown speaker Okay,
  5268. 3:41:58 Unknown speaker I'm going to keep going. Come back.
  5269. 3:42:02 Unknown speaker Yeah, I guess
  5270. 3:42:02 Unknown speaker you still have the floor.
  5271. 3:42:03 Unknown speaker Yeah, I'm wondering if either we want a
  5272. 3:42:05 Unknown speaker by-week there or maybe we look to
  5273. 3:42:07 Unknown speaker February kind of after President's Day
  5274. 3:42:09 Unknown speaker weekend when we have LHA on the 16th to
  5275. 3:42:11 Unknown speaker to do the open forum [clears throat] if
  5276. 3:42:12 Unknown speaker we move it there if it doesn't fit in
  5277. 3:42:14 Unknown speaker January. Um, I don't know. There just a
  5278. 3:42:17 Unknown speaker few thoughts. I didn't I didn't
  5279. 3:42:18 Unknown speaker certainly didn't want it to feel like
  5280. 3:42:20 Unknown speaker that just like snuck in on people and
  5281. 3:42:22 Unknown speaker then people missed the opportunity for
  5282. 3:42:23 Unknown speaker that. That was all if nobody else shares
  5283. 3:42:25 Unknown speaker that concern.
  5284. 3:42:26 Unknown speaker I don't feel overly passionate about it.
  5285. 3:42:28 Unknown speaker I mean, if there's a guarantee that we
  5286. 3:42:30 Unknown speaker could finish lura by 7 o'clock or before
  5287. 3:42:32 Unknown speaker 7 o'clock to do open forum on the 19th.
  5288. 3:42:36 Unknown speaker I would be fine with that and then have
  5289. 3:42:38 Unknown speaker a by-week. But
  5290. 3:42:40 Unknown speaker that is a herald.
  5291. 3:42:41 Unknown speaker Is that her? Oh, what's going on over
  5292. 3:42:43 Unknown speaker here? I don't know that that's always
  5293. 3:42:48 Unknown speaker thoughts Harold
  5294. 3:42:50 Unknown speaker might be tight.
  5295. 3:42:51 Unknown speaker Do you think it would be tight?
  5296. 3:42:56 Unknown speaker Is it possible to start lura at 5?
  5297. 3:43:00 Unknown speaker Yeah,
  5298. 3:43:01 Unknown speaker I work till
  5299. 3:43:03 Unknown speaker I see it.
  5300. 3:43:04 Unknown speaker Mayor, you could also have the open
  5301. 3:43:05 Unknown speaker forum on February 2nd. Just move it a
  5302. 3:43:08 Unknown speaker month.
  5303. 3:43:09 Unknown speaker Yep.
  5304. 3:43:09 Unknown speaker Okay. if you wanted to, if it was a
  5305. 3:43:11 Unknown speaker concern
  5306. 3:43:12 Unknown speaker rather than try to squeeze it in because
  5307. 3:43:14 Unknown speaker I think people are used to it being
  5308. 3:43:16 Unknown speaker at the beginning of a month. I don't
  5309. 3:43:17 Unknown speaker know that January matters that much, but
  5310. 3:43:19 Unknown speaker Okay, you could.
  5311. 3:43:20 Unknown speaker Um,
  5312. 3:43:22 Unknown speaker yeah. Okay, Council Member Christ.
  5313. 3:43:27 Unknown speaker Um,
  5314. 3:43:29 Unknown speaker so I'm just looking at my council
  5315. 3:43:30 Unknown speaker communication and it does say staff is
  5316. 3:43:33 Unknown speaker asking council to review and advise if
  5317. 3:43:35 Unknown speaker any adjustments to the schedule are
  5318. 3:43:37 Unknown speaker needed and also to set a 2027 council
  5319. 3:43:39 Unknown speaker retreat date.
  5320. 3:43:40 Unknown speaker Not to be contentious. I just want to
  5321. 3:43:43 Unknown speaker just want to know I was I was not
  5322. 3:43:45 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  5323. 3:43:46 Unknown speaker you know
  5324. 3:43:46 Unknown speaker I am offended
  5325. 3:43:47 Unknown speaker not having you know hallucinations
  5326. 3:43:49 Unknown speaker because it's getting close to but uh um
  5327. 3:43:52 Unknown speaker okay so
  5328. 3:43:55 Unknown speaker [clears throat] I I think open forum
  5329. 3:43:57 Unknown speaker usually takes a long time so I hate to
  5330. 3:43:59 Unknown speaker double stack it.
  5331. 3:44:01 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5332. 3:44:02 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5333. 3:44:03 Unknown speaker But I'm I'm looking at let's look at
  5334. 3:44:05 Unknown speaker February 2nd. It could be February 2nd.
  5335. 3:44:08 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5336. 3:44:09 Unknown speaker Okay. So, so back to the lura, Jen does,
  5337. 3:44:12 Unknown speaker we just talked. Jyn does think if you
  5338. 3:44:14 Unknown speaker wanted to do it and let's say
  5339. 3:44:17 Unknown speaker on January 5th, you wanted a
  5340. 3:44:20 Unknown speaker I forgot I forgot what one of you all
  5341. 3:44:22 Unknown speaker called it. Um, that we can a by week on
  5342. 3:44:26 Unknown speaker the 5th, then we could probably
  5343. 3:44:30 Unknown speaker put get through with the lura meeting by
  5344. 3:44:32 Unknown speaker 7:00 on the 19th.
  5345. 3:44:36 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5346. 3:44:38 Unknown speaker Would you like to do that? move the open
  5347. 3:44:40 Unknown speaker form to January 19th.
  5348. 3:44:41 Unknown speaker I would be open to that, but I don't
  5349. 3:44:42 Unknown speaker know. Is anybody else
  5350. 3:44:44 Unknown speaker and cancel the fifth? And cancel the
  5351. 3:44:46 Unknown speaker fifth.
  5352. 3:44:47 Unknown speaker So, is that with the five o'clock?
  5353. 3:44:49 Unknown speaker No, it would be 5:30 start time for
  5354. 3:44:51 Unknown speaker Laura and then
  5355. 3:44:53 Unknown speaker um 7 o'clock.
  5356. 3:44:54 Unknown speaker Is that a thumbs up? Do we have a
  5357. 3:44:56 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5358. 3:44:58 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you.
  5359. 3:45:00 Unknown speaker I see a thumbs down.
  5360. 3:45:01 Unknown speaker There's one thumbs down.
  5361. 3:45:04 Unknown speaker Thumbs up.
  5362. 3:45:05 Unknown speaker Uh
  5363. 3:45:06 Unknown speaker we had Okay, let's do it one more time,
  5364. 3:45:08 Unknown speaker guys. Okay.
  5365. 3:45:11 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  5366. 3:45:11 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5367. 3:45:12 Unknown speaker Very good.
  5368. 3:45:12 Unknown speaker We'll come back to the retreat.
  5369. 3:45:14 Unknown speaker We'll tag We'll flag January 30th as a
  5370. 3:45:16 Unknown speaker possible retreat date.
  5371. 3:45:17 Unknown speaker Looking at February then,
  5372. 3:45:19 Unknown speaker um is pretty straightforward. Study
  5373. 3:45:22 Unknown speaker regular LHA regular. Um any concerns on
  5374. 3:45:26 Unknown speaker February meeting schedule?
  5375. 3:45:29 Unknown speaker Not seeing any. March. Uh we do have a
  5376. 3:45:32 Unknown speaker question for you because uh the NLC
  5377. 3:45:35 Unknown speaker conference falls in that third week. So
  5378. 3:45:37 Unknown speaker we have to push the lura meeting either
  5379. 3:45:39 Unknown speaker to the front of the month or the back of
  5380. 3:45:41 Unknown speaker the month and then adjust accordingly.
  5381. 3:45:42 Unknown speaker So I guess here what is your preference
  5382. 3:45:45 Unknown speaker if we put regular session on the 9th and
  5383. 3:45:46 Unknown speaker the 23rd? Um would you prefer a study
  5384. 3:45:49 Unknown speaker session or lura on the first
  5385. 3:45:53 Unknown speaker or the 30th and would you like to cancel
  5386. 3:45:55 Unknown speaker one of those?
  5387. 3:45:57 Unknown speaker What would your preference be there?
  5388. 3:46:01 Unknown speaker The first Tuesday.
  5389. 3:46:02 Unknown speaker The first Tuesday would be March.
  5390. 3:46:04 Unknown speaker The first the date, not the number. the
  5391. 3:46:06 Unknown speaker first Tuesday. So, sorry,
  5392. 3:46:08 Unknown speaker Tuesday, March 2nd.
  5393. 3:46:09 Unknown speaker Yes,
  5394. 3:46:10 Unknown speaker was one option
  5395. 3:46:12 Unknown speaker for a thumbs up if you want the first
  5396. 3:46:14 Unknown speaker one. Um,
  5397. 3:46:16 Unknown speaker for Lura.
  5398. 3:46:18 Unknown speaker So, the first Tuesday for Lura, this is
  5399. 3:46:20 Unknown speaker thumbs up. First Tuesday is Lura.
  5400. 3:46:22 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5401. 3:46:24 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5402. 3:46:28 Unknown speaker So, this is uh so I I know I will not be
  5403. 3:46:31 Unknown speaker there for that. Um, but we have a vice
  5404. 3:46:33 Unknown speaker chair position for a reason. So if this
  5405. 3:46:35 Unknown speaker was the preference like that's fine. I
  5406. 3:46:36 Unknown speaker just know I will be absent for that
  5407. 3:46:39 Unknown speaker meeting.
  5408. 3:46:39 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5409. 3:46:40 Unknown speaker So we should get to it in time.
  5410. 3:46:42 Unknown speaker Yeah. Well, we could
  5411. 3:46:43 Unknown speaker Hey, we end those meeting we end those
  5412. 3:46:45 Unknown speaker meetings in time.
  5413. 3:46:47 Unknown speaker Um Council Member Marine.
  5414. 3:46:49 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I'll just in addition
  5415. 3:46:50 Unknown speaker to that, I I I agree. I think my my
  5416. 3:46:53 Unknown speaker preference would actually be to do the
  5417. 3:46:54 Unknown speaker study session option on the 2nd and Lura
  5418. 3:46:57 Unknown speaker on the 30th. That that makes the most
  5419. 3:47:00 Unknown speaker sense to me.
  5420. 3:47:01 Unknown speaker Okay. Council member Christ. Oh, I was
  5421. 3:47:04 Unknown speaker going to suggest that we double up Laura
  5422. 3:47:06 Unknown speaker with the study session. That's 5:30 and
  5423. 3:47:08 Unknown speaker start at seven for the study session and
  5424. 3:47:10 Unknown speaker go ahead and cancel the 30th
  5425. 3:47:13 Unknown speaker because it's after
  5426. 3:47:13 Unknown speaker I actually like that.
  5427. 3:47:14 Unknown speaker I like this.
  5428. 3:47:15 Unknown speaker I like that too.
  5429. 3:47:16 Unknown speaker You know, it's that whole Easter weekend
  5430. 3:47:17 Unknown speaker and
  5431. 3:47:18 Unknown speaker yeah.
  5432. 3:47:20 Unknown speaker Yeah,
  5433. 3:47:21 Unknown speaker I I do like that. And that would have
  5434. 3:47:23 Unknown speaker been that would be to double up have a
  5435. 3:47:25 Unknown speaker 5:30 Laura and then a 7 o'clock study
  5436. 3:47:28 Unknown speaker session
  5437. 3:47:29 Unknown speaker on March 2nd
  5438. 3:47:30 Unknown speaker on March 2nd and then cancel the 30th.
  5439. 3:47:32 Unknown speaker Yeah. the thumbs.
  5440. 3:47:34 Unknown speaker Okay. With the thumb uh show of thumbs.
  5441. 3:47:39 Unknown speaker Okay. So that do you have four? I can't
  5442. 3:47:42 Unknown speaker see
  5443. 3:47:42 Unknown speaker five there. Like there's five to two.
  5444. 3:47:45 Unknown speaker Okay. We will make that switch. Thank
  5445. 3:47:46 Unknown speaker you.
  5446. 3:47:48 Unknown speaker April is straightforward steady regular
  5447. 3:47:50 Unknown speaker LHA and regular. Are there any concerns
  5448. 3:47:54 Unknown speaker with April?
  5449. 3:47:57 Unknown speaker I see a light. Is it about April?
  5450. 3:47:59 Unknown speaker Council member Popkin. Okay. Go ahead.
  5451. 3:48:01 Unknown speaker Yeah. Actually, I was just wondering if
  5452. 3:48:02 Unknown speaker if there was an option where we switch
  5453. 3:48:04 Unknown speaker LHA and LURO with the previous month. If
  5454. 3:48:07 Unknown speaker it's but if it's more helpful to have
  5455. 3:48:08 Unknown speaker the every other then we can just keep
  5456. 3:48:10 Unknown speaker doing that.
  5457. 3:48:11 Unknown speaker Let's keep doing that.
  5458. 3:48:12 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5459. 3:48:12 Unknown speaker Thank you. [laughter]
  5460. 3:48:13 Unknown speaker Um
  5461. 3:48:14 Unknown speaker okay, that I'm good. Yeah.
  5462. 3:48:16 Unknown speaker Okay. May again, we don't have any
  5463. 3:48:19 Unknown speaker questions here. Just want
  5464. 3:48:21 Unknown speaker to confirm
  5465. 3:48:23 Unknown speaker the layout is good for you. Study
  5466. 3:48:26 Unknown speaker regular lura regular.
  5467. 3:48:28 Unknown speaker Okay. Do I need to pause, Mayor? Sorry.
  5468. 3:48:31 Unknown speaker Um, okay. I was uh Council Member Chris
  5469. 3:48:34 Unknown speaker had her name in the queue, so I was
  5470. 3:48:36 Unknown speaker wondering if she wanted
  5471. 3:48:36 Unknown speaker Do I need to go back?
  5472. 3:48:38 Unknown speaker I don't Do you Do you need to see April
  5473. 3:48:42 Unknown speaker or Were you good with April?
  5474. 3:48:44 Unknown speaker Wait, you're on the wrong way. Okay.
  5475. 3:48:46 Unknown speaker Good with May.
  5476. 3:48:46 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5477. 3:48:46 Unknown speaker Good April and good with May.
  5478. 3:48:48 Unknown speaker Okay. Yeah. So, we're we're still in
  5479. 3:48:49 Unknown speaker May. Now, we're in June.
  5480. 3:48:52 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5481. 3:48:53 Unknown speaker June you have CML conference that fourth
  5482. 3:48:56 Unknown speaker week. You also have five Tuesdays here.
  5483. 3:48:58 Unknown speaker So,
  5484. 3:48:59 Unknown speaker um there's a spot maybe for an open
  5485. 3:49:01 Unknown speaker forum or a cancel a by-week as council
  5486. 3:49:03 Unknown speaker member Popkin calls it.
  5487. 3:49:05 Unknown speaker Um we've got the two regular sessions
  5488. 3:49:08 Unknown speaker there, but depending on how you'd like
  5489. 3:49:10 Unknown speaker this month to flow and you can see the
  5490. 3:49:12 Unknown speaker questions. So, we've got the first
  5491. 3:49:14 Unknown speaker Tuesday as a study session, second is a
  5492. 3:49:16 Unknown speaker regular session, third Tuesday is LHA.
  5493. 3:49:19 Unknown speaker We're showing uh usually you might
  5494. 3:49:22 Unknown speaker cancel since it's in Keystone and most
  5495. 3:49:24 Unknown speaker of council will go to that. Uh therefore
  5496. 3:49:26 Unknown speaker that would make the regular session the
  5497. 3:49:28 Unknown speaker second regular session for June on the
  5498. 3:49:31 Unknown speaker 29th.
  5499. 3:49:32 Unknown speaker Okay. And I think yeah because if the
  5500. 3:49:35 Unknown speaker day officially starts on Wednesday, it
  5501. 3:49:38 Unknown speaker would we probably would need to get
  5502. 3:49:40 Unknown speaker there the day before to register because
  5503. 3:49:43 Unknown speaker it's like early.
  5504. 3:49:44 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5505. 3:49:45 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5506. 3:49:45 Unknown speaker And I believe there's usually an event
  5507. 3:49:47 Unknown speaker that uh
  5508. 3:49:48 Unknown speaker is pre meeting. But [clears throat] we
  5509. 3:49:51 Unknown speaker don't need to do social. It was
  5510. 3:49:53 Unknown speaker and education.
  5511. 3:49:54 Unknown speaker Get right to business. No social. Um,
  5512. 3:49:58 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  5513. 3:49:58 Unknown speaker nope. All right. So, would you like that
  5514. 3:50:00 Unknown speaker to be
  5515. 3:50:01 Unknown speaker Um, I have some name. Um, I'm gonna kick
  5516. 3:50:04 Unknown speaker it over to council real quick. Council
  5517. 3:50:06 Unknown speaker member Marcy.
  5518. 3:50:07 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. My preference would be
  5519. 3:50:08 Unknown speaker to to cancel um CM for for CML on the
  5520. 3:50:12 Unknown speaker 22nd. Um, between family obligations,
  5521. 3:50:15 Unknown speaker etc. Being able to use that night
  5522. 3:50:17 Unknown speaker whether it starts Wednesday or not, that
  5523. 3:50:19 Unknown speaker Tuesday, I I probably wouldn't be able
  5524. 3:50:20 Unknown speaker to be there anyway if I'm going to CML.
  5525. 3:50:22 Unknown speaker and then to actually do a a regular
  5526. 3:50:25 Unknown speaker session on the 29th. And I have a reason
  5527. 3:50:27 Unknown speaker for that. Um we have talked well maybe
  5528. 3:50:30 Unknown speaker and we haven't talked about it. We've
  5529. 3:50:31 Unknown speaker heard a lot about meeting length. Um the
  5530. 3:50:33 Unknown speaker more regular sessions we can add um the
  5531. 3:50:37 Unknown speaker more business we can actually accomplish
  5532. 3:50:39 Unknown speaker over the course of a month, the less our
  5533. 3:50:41 Unknown speaker our agendas are are packed. So my
  5534. 3:50:44 Unknown speaker preference would be to cancel the 22nd,
  5535. 3:50:46 Unknown speaker do a regular session on the 29th.
  5536. 3:50:47 Unknown speaker That would give you your two required.
  5537. 3:50:49 Unknown speaker Yeah, we are required by charter to have
  5538. 3:50:51 Unknown speaker two. So you would have one on the 8th
  5539. 3:50:53 Unknown speaker and one on the 29th.
  5540. 3:50:55 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5541. 3:50:56 Unknown speaker Thumbs up on that plan.
  5542. 3:50:59 Unknown speaker All right. Recruising.
  5543. 3:51:00 Unknown speaker Do you need
  5544. 3:51:02 Unknown speaker July um is straightforward. No
  5545. 3:51:05 Unknown speaker conferences or anything. Study session
  5546. 3:51:07 Unknown speaker regular. Lura regular.
  5547. 3:51:11 Unknown speaker There's a holiday there, but um we're
  5548. 3:51:13 Unknown speaker kind of locked in. August. Um
  5549. 3:51:17 Unknown speaker you could do an open forum here. My
  5550. 3:51:19 Unknown speaker other thought was maybe cancel that
  5551. 3:51:21 Unknown speaker first meeting because give yourself a
  5552. 3:51:23 Unknown speaker by-week heading into budget season. You
  5553. 3:51:25 Unknown speaker will have meetings every week.
  5554. 3:51:27 Unknown speaker Um, so really up to you, but it is a
  5555. 3:51:29 Unknown speaker slot. You could put an open forum on the
  5556. 3:51:32 Unknown speaker 3rd or 31st.
  5557. 3:51:34 Unknown speaker Council member Christ.
  5558. 3:51:36 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Usually we do another
  5559. 3:51:38 Unknown speaker open forum in July. And so I was
  5560. 3:51:41 Unknown speaker wondering where do we put that? Maybe do
  5561. 3:51:44 Unknown speaker we
  5562. 3:51:46 Unknown speaker put it at the um on the 20th after Lura
  5563. 3:51:50 Unknown speaker or um
  5564. 3:51:52 Unknown speaker you could put it August 3rd.
  5565. 3:51:53 Unknown speaker We could or we could have an extra day
  5566. 3:51:55 Unknown speaker off. We don't really get a lot of time
  5567. 3:51:57 Unknown speaker off especially in the summer and it's
  5568. 3:51:59 Unknown speaker really helpful to have
  5569. 3:52:00 Unknown speaker some summer time. Um, so I was thinking
  5570. 3:52:04 Unknown speaker either put it on the sixth with the um
  5571. 3:52:07 Unknown speaker instead of the study session and put the
  5572. 3:52:09 Unknown speaker study session with Laura
  5573. 3:52:10 Unknown speaker or put the open forum with Laura. And I
  5574. 3:52:13 Unknown speaker guess maybe the study session would make
  5575. 3:52:15 Unknown speaker more sense because we don't go as long
  5576. 3:52:17 Unknown speaker usually with a study session.
  5577. 3:52:19 Unknown speaker If we move study sessions
  5578. 3:52:22 Unknown speaker the 20th
  5579. 3:52:24 Unknown speaker and um
  5580. 3:52:25 Unknown speaker I disagree but
  5581. 3:52:26 Unknown speaker well I mean well we started at seven and
  5582. 3:52:28 Unknown speaker we're not over yet. So, and then we
  5583. 3:52:30 Unknown speaker could put the open forum on the 6th.
  5584. 3:52:32 Unknown speaker Would you like
  5585. 3:52:33 Unknown speaker whichever 6th or 20th? I think we should
  5586. 3:52:35 Unknown speaker put the open forum.
  5587. 3:52:37 Unknown speaker So, open forum on the 6th
  5588. 3:52:39 Unknown speaker of July.
  5589. 3:52:40 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5590. 3:52:41 Unknown speaker Can we do you want to thumbs up that
  5591. 3:52:43 Unknown speaker mayor mayor and council?
  5592. 3:52:44 Unknown speaker Yeah. I
  5593. 3:52:46 Unknown speaker um You know what? I feel like the whole
  5594. 3:52:47 Unknown speaker reason why we changed the January one
  5595. 3:52:51 Unknown speaker was to not have it so close to a
  5596. 3:52:52 Unknown speaker holiday. This is literally right after
  5597. 3:52:55 Unknown speaker Independence Day.
  5598. 3:52:56 Unknown speaker Okay. So, let's put it on the 20th then.
  5599. 3:52:59 Unknown speaker So, I don't agree with No.
  5600. 3:53:01 Unknown speaker Would you?
  5601. 3:53:03 Unknown speaker The big red box right there. Yeah.
  5602. 3:53:05 Unknown speaker Would you like to try and stack it with
  5603. 3:53:07 Unknown speaker Lura or go for August 3rd?
  5604. 3:53:09 Unknown speaker Third.
  5605. 3:53:09 Unknown speaker Third.
  5606. 3:53:10 Unknown speaker August 3rd.
  5607. 3:53:11 Unknown speaker Oh, man.
  5608. 3:53:12 Unknown speaker Yeah. Well,
  5609. 3:53:14 Unknown speaker I'd rather have the day.
  5610. 3:53:15 Unknown speaker It's still a weekend.
  5611. 3:53:17 Unknown speaker Yeah. We'll just do I I'm I'm okay with
  5612. 3:53:19 Unknown speaker the third, but let's let's do let's go
  5613. 3:53:22 Unknown speaker back to July.
  5614. 3:53:23 Unknown speaker Go back to July.
  5615. 3:53:24 Unknown speaker Back to July. And then um if you give a
  5616. 3:53:28 Unknown speaker thumbs up if you want the open forum to
  5617. 3:53:31 Unknown speaker be at 7 o'clock after Laura on the 20th
  5618. 3:53:34 Unknown speaker July 20th give a thumbs up.
  5619. 3:53:38 Unknown speaker Sure.
  5620. 3:53:38 Unknown speaker There's three. We need a
  5621. 3:53:41 Unknown speaker Yeah, the open forum after Laura.
  5622. 3:53:43 Unknown speaker I see four yeses.
  5623. 3:53:45 Unknown speaker Don't know what we will have agenda.
  5624. 3:53:48 Unknown speaker Yeah, [laughter] it's hard to say.
  5625. 3:53:49 Unknown speaker Mayor, can I just jump in for a second?
  5626. 3:53:50 Unknown speaker Yeah. Um you can, but I also have other
  5627. 3:53:52 Unknown speaker people in the queue. So, council me.
  5628. 3:53:55 Unknown speaker Okay, council member Bobkin.
  5629. 3:53:57 Unknown speaker And just on that one, the the more we
  5630. 3:53:59 Unknown speaker stack, the less flexibility there is if
  5631. 3:54:01 Unknown speaker there are other agenda items and we just
  5632. 3:54:02 Unknown speaker don't know where we will be with certain
  5633. 3:54:04 Unknown speaker things by that time and we might need
  5634. 3:54:06 Unknown speaker some time. So, I'd hate to stack a
  5635. 3:54:09 Unknown speaker couple things on top of lura meetings
  5636. 3:54:11 Unknown speaker over the course of next year without
  5637. 3:54:12 Unknown speaker knowing what the agenda kind of time
  5638. 3:54:15 Unknown speaker frame would be, especially when we have
  5639. 3:54:16 Unknown speaker or we could do open forum on July 6th. I
  5640. 3:54:19 Unknown speaker mean, yeah.
  5641. 3:54:22 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  5642. 3:54:23 Unknown speaker So
  5643. 3:54:24 Unknown speaker trying to keep it within the July time
  5644. 3:54:26 Unknown speaker frame.
  5645. 3:54:26 Unknown speaker You could move Lura to the 6th and do
  5646. 3:54:29 Unknown speaker the form on the 20th.
  5647. 3:54:30 Unknown speaker That would be avoid that problem. Yeah.
  5648. 3:54:32 Unknown speaker We could do that.
  5649. 3:54:34 Unknown speaker I won't be here
  5650. 3:54:35 Unknown speaker if Laura is okay.
  5651. 3:54:37 Unknown speaker Um Laura 5:30 on Tuesday
  5652. 3:54:40 Unknown speaker or we cut the Or we just start the study
  5653. 3:54:42 Unknown speaker session a little late if we need to.
  5654. 3:54:43 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  5655. 3:54:44 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5656. 3:54:46 Unknown speaker Yeah, we can change the time on the
  5657. 3:54:47 Unknown speaker study session. Oh, just to like to 8 or
  5658. 3:54:51 Unknown speaker 7:30 or something
  5659. 3:54:54 Unknown speaker or we can get to our point faster. But
  5660. 3:54:56 Unknown speaker I'm just thinking out loud. [laughter]
  5661. 3:54:59 Unknown speaker All right. So, where Sorry,
  5662. 3:55:01 Unknown speaker [clears throat] I'm not sure where we're
  5663. 3:55:01 Unknown speaker at.
  5664. 3:55:03 Unknown speaker Yeah. So,
  5665. 3:55:04 Unknown speaker what are we doing in July?
  5666. 3:55:05 Unknown speaker So, so if you wanted to do lura on the
  5667. 3:55:08 Unknown speaker 6th, then if we had the flexibility on
  5668. 3:55:12 Unknown speaker start time to where we actually see the
  5669. 3:55:14 Unknown speaker agendas,
  5670. 3:55:15 Unknown speaker you know, we can adjust that within
  5671. 3:55:18 Unknown speaker the week before in terms of setting that
  5672. 3:55:20 Unknown speaker time if that's what you want to do. And
  5673. 3:55:22 Unknown speaker then that way if it turns out the agenda
  5674. 3:55:24 Unknown speaker is not heavy, we stay on the 7 o'clock
  5675. 3:55:26 Unknown speaker with study session or if it is heavy, we
  5676. 3:55:28 Unknown speaker can
  5677. 3:55:29 Unknown speaker push it back 30 minutes or whatever the
  5678. 3:55:31 Unknown speaker agenda is going to look like.
  5679. 3:55:33 Unknown speaker Sure.
  5680. 3:55:33 Unknown speaker So why don't we do it the opposite
  5681. 3:55:35 Unknown speaker instead of the 6th to 20th?
  5682. 3:55:37 Unknown speaker The 20th would be an open forum.
  5683. 3:55:38 Unknown speaker The 20th would be an open forum.
  5684. 3:55:41 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5685. 3:55:41 Unknown speaker July. in July and that would align more
  5686. 3:55:44 Unknown speaker with what we've been doing traditionally
  5687. 3:55:46 Unknown speaker with our open forums July I just
  5688. 3:55:49 Unknown speaker remember July
  5689. 3:55:49 Unknown speaker open forum on the 20th lura on the 6th
  5690. 3:55:52 Unknown speaker not stacked
  5691. 3:55:54 Unknown speaker is what
  5692. 3:55:55 Unknown speaker not stacked with the study sessions
  5693. 3:55:57 Unknown speaker if we need it if we need a study session
  5694. 3:56:00 Unknown speaker you're not required to hold a study
  5695. 3:56:01 Unknown speaker session
  5696. 3:56:01 Unknown speaker we're not required to hold a study
  5697. 3:56:03 Unknown speaker session so
  5698. 3:56:04 Unknown speaker we can juggle
  5699. 3:56:05 Unknown speaker yeah yes okay now how do we feel with
  5700. 3:56:08 Unknown speaker that
  5701. 3:56:09 Unknown speaker give me a thumbs
  5702. 3:56:11 Unknown speaker okay is Is that better?
  5703. 3:56:12 Unknown speaker Yeah. Is that better? Okay. Council
  5704. 3:56:14 Unknown speaker member Marine,
  5705. 3:56:16 Unknown speaker I I just I I appreciate the thought
  5706. 3:56:19 Unknown speaker about by weeks. I I prefer not to cut
  5707. 3:56:21 Unknown speaker study sessions or to move times around
  5708. 3:56:22 Unknown speaker partly from a public accessibility
  5709. 3:56:24 Unknown speaker perspective. Folks who are engaged know
  5710. 3:56:26 Unknown speaker that we start at seven. Generally, it's
  5711. 3:56:28 Unknown speaker not that big of a thing. I'm in the
  5712. 3:56:30 Unknown speaker minority. I'll turn my mic off. I Okay.
  5713. 3:56:31 Unknown speaker I
  5714. 3:56:32 Unknown speaker Thanks. Continue.
  5715. 3:56:34 Unknown speaker All right. We'll go keep going to to
  5716. 3:56:35 Unknown speaker August. So the question here then
  5717. 3:56:39 Unknown speaker um want you to know that we stacked LHA
  5718. 3:56:41 Unknown speaker and Laura purposely here because um they
  5719. 3:56:44 Unknown speaker don't get their alternation in September
  5720. 3:56:45 Unknown speaker due to budget.
  5721. 3:56:46 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5722. 3:56:47 Unknown speaker Um so that's why they are stacked here
  5723. 3:56:48 Unknown speaker in August. Um would you like the third
  5724. 3:56:51 Unknown speaker to be a by week?
  5725. 3:56:53 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5726. 3:56:54 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5727. 3:56:55 Unknown speaker Yep. Sorry that was really loud.
  5728. 3:56:57 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  5729. 3:57:00 Unknown speaker Wait off.
  5730. 3:57:01 Unknown speaker It's off. August 3rd.
  5731. 3:57:03 Unknown speaker August 3rd cancel.
  5732. 3:57:06 Unknown speaker So that's one. Okay. There's a majority.
  5733. 3:57:09 Unknown speaker So three. Yeah. Four to three.
  5734. 3:57:10 Unknown speaker We're canceling the third.
  5735. 3:57:12 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5736. 3:57:13 Unknown speaker Then we'll do regular stack LHA lura
  5737. 3:57:15 Unknown speaker regular and a study. That study session
  5738. 3:57:18 Unknown speaker is introduction of the budget.
  5739. 3:57:20 Unknown speaker So we can't cancel that one, right?
  5740. 3:57:21 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5741. 3:57:22 Unknown speaker And then
  5742. 3:57:23 Unknown speaker September is budget season. So no LHA or
  5743. 3:57:26 Unknown speaker lura. So all of these meetings will be
  5744. 3:57:28 Unknown speaker held.
  5745. 3:57:29 Unknown speaker [laughter]
  5746. 3:57:30 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  5747. 3:57:31 Unknown speaker No, October. Um,
  5748. 3:57:34 Unknown speaker same routine study regular, LHA regular.
  5749. 3:57:38 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  5750. 3:57:39 Unknown speaker Then it gets interesting as usual.
  5751. 3:57:41 Unknown speaker November. Sorry if Council Member
  5752. 3:57:42 Unknown speaker Popkin, you want me to pause in October?
  5753. 3:57:45 Unknown speaker Go ahead.
  5754. 3:57:45 Unknown speaker Just a quick note. Should we make should
  5755. 3:57:47 Unknown speaker we offer the should we have the 19th as
  5756. 3:57:48 Unknown speaker an option for LHA and Laura just in case
  5757. 3:57:51 Unknown speaker we have items there like basically what
  5758. 3:57:54 Unknown speaker we did in August? Just
  5759. 3:57:55 Unknown speaker that makes sense.
  5760. 3:57:56 Unknown speaker Just have a double up just in case.
  5761. 3:57:58 Unknown speaker We have that the following month as
  5762. 3:58:00 Unknown speaker well.
  5763. 3:58:01 Unknown speaker Oh yeah,
  5764. 3:58:01 Unknown speaker we need it for this month for LHA budget
  5765. 3:58:04 Unknown speaker issue because that's
  5766. 3:58:07 Unknown speaker Yeah, we can always add we can always
  5767. 3:58:10 Unknown speaker add. Yes.
  5768. 3:58:11 Unknown speaker Yeah. Because
  5769. 3:58:12 Unknown speaker if I'm thinking about
  5770. 3:58:15 Unknown speaker the the work that we've been directed to
  5771. 3:58:18 Unknown speaker do on the sugar mill, we may need both
  5772. 3:58:20 Unknown speaker options for both.
  5773. 3:58:22 Unknown speaker And we can always schedule a lura
  5774. 3:58:23 Unknown speaker meeting an extra.
  5775. 3:58:24 Unknown speaker Yep.
  5776. 3:58:25 Unknown speaker As long as we have
  5777. 3:58:26 Unknown speaker I mean that's way in advance. This is
  5778. 3:58:28 Unknown speaker October 2027. I don't know what I'm
  5779. 3:58:30 Unknown speaker doing next week, right?
  5780. 3:58:32 Unknown speaker Like, [laughter]
  5781. 3:58:33 Unknown speaker all right. So, we will leave October
  5782. 3:58:35 Unknown speaker like this knowing that
  5783. 3:58:37 Unknown speaker Well, I've put LHA and
  5784. 3:58:39 Unknown speaker Laura and Laura.
  5785. 3:58:40 Unknown speaker Yeah. Yeah. Now we're in November.
  5786. 3:58:42 Unknown speaker November has uh also LHA and Laura
  5787. 3:58:44 Unknown speaker doubled up on the 16th and then the NLC
  5788. 3:58:48 Unknown speaker conference which is in Houston, a study
  5789. 3:58:51 Unknown speaker session on the 2nd. Two regular
  5790. 3:58:52 Unknown speaker sessions. You usually cancel the week of
  5791. 3:58:55 Unknown speaker Thanksgiving. Um so that's a question.
  5792. 3:58:58 Unknown speaker Do you want to cancel the weekend?
  5793. 3:58:59 Unknown speaker And the second is are is the election
  5794. 3:59:02 Unknown speaker municipal elections.
  5795. 3:59:04 Unknown speaker You usually cancel that day as well.
  5796. 3:59:06 Unknown speaker We cancel that.
  5797. 3:59:08 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5798. 3:59:10 Unknown speaker Yeah. There's four of us 27.
  5799. 3:59:14 Unknown speaker And then
  5800. 3:59:15 Unknown speaker would you like to cancel November 2nd
  5801. 3:59:17 Unknown speaker for the election?
  5802. 3:59:18 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5803. 3:59:20 Unknown speaker Could we see thumbs up for cancelling
  5804. 3:59:22 Unknown speaker November 2nd?
  5805. 3:59:24 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um,
  5806. 3:59:27 Unknown speaker stacking Lura LHA on the 16th is okay.
  5807. 3:59:30 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5808. 3:59:30 Unknown speaker Well,
  5809. 3:59:32 Unknown speaker and then
  5810. 3:59:34 Unknown speaker people are leaving for NLC, right? So,
  5811. 3:59:36 Unknown speaker that's a question. Cancel Thanksgiving.
  5812. 3:59:38 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  5813. 3:59:39 Unknown speaker I would rather move the 16th to the
  5814. 3:59:41 Unknown speaker 23rd.
  5815. 3:59:41 Unknown speaker Thanksgiving.
  5816. 3:59:43 Unknown speaker I I know that's tough because it's a
  5817. 3:59:45 Unknown speaker Thanksgiving week.
  5818. 3:59:46 Unknown speaker It's Mayor, would you like to
  5819. 3:59:48 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  5820. 3:59:49 Unknown speaker give people microphones? Sorry, it's
  5821. 3:59:50 Unknown speaker hard to hear in the
  5822. 3:59:51 Unknown speaker Yeah. And you know what? Actually, um,
  5823. 3:59:53 Unknown speaker we are coming close to 11:00. We sure
  5824. 3:59:56 Unknown speaker are.
  5825. 3:59:56 Unknown speaker Yes, we are. Okay. So, did you need to
  5826. 4:00:00 Unknown speaker uh No, I just want to change I wanted to
  5827. 4:00:02 Unknown speaker move the 16th to the 23rd to specific
  5828. 4:00:06 Unknown speaker time specific.
  5829. 4:00:07 Unknown speaker Okay. Do you have a motion to extend the
  5830. 4:00:09 Unknown speaker meeting?
  5831. 4:00:10 Unknown speaker I'm hoping we can finish this.
  5832. 4:00:12 Unknown speaker No, we're not. Council member Popkin,
  5833. 4:00:14 Unknown speaker real quick,
  5834. 4:00:14 Unknown speaker I'll make a motion to extend the meeting
  5835. 4:00:16 Unknown speaker by 10 minutes.
  5836. 4:00:17 Unknown speaker Okay, I'll second that. Oh, okay. So, we
  5837. 4:00:20 Unknown speaker have a motion to extend the meeting to
  5838. 4:00:21 Unknown speaker 1110. to 11:10.
  5839. 4:00:24 Unknown speaker Um,
  5840. 4:00:25 Unknown speaker okay. I seconded that. All those in
  5841. 4:00:28 Unknown speaker favor, let's go ahead and vote.
  5842. 4:00:35 Unknown speaker Thanks.
  5843. 4:00:47 Unknown speaker Okay. And that carries four to three
  5844. 4:00:49 Unknown speaker with council members Christ, Marcen, and
  5845. 4:00:52 Unknown speaker Prito in opposition. Since you're in
  5846. 4:00:54 Unknown speaker opposition, I'll go ahead and turn off
  5847. 4:00:55 Unknown speaker your mic. So, I'm just [laughter]
  5848. 4:00:58 Unknown speaker you don't get to speak. Um, okay. Let me
  5849. 4:01:00 Unknown speaker go back to our calendar. So,
  5850. 4:01:02 Unknown speaker mayor, I did have a comment.
  5851. 4:01:04 Unknown speaker Yes. Go ahead. Hold on. Thanks.
  5852. 4:01:06 Unknown speaker Get my screen up. I
  5853. 4:01:07 Unknown speaker I wanted to suggest if we're canceling
  5854. 4:01:09 Unknown speaker the study session on November 2nd for
  5855. 4:01:11 Unknown speaker the election, I wanted to suggest we add
  5856. 4:01:13 Unknown speaker one on the 23rd. Um they it can be a
  5857. 4:01:17 Unknown speaker lighter agenda, but we pencil it in
  5858. 4:01:19 Unknown speaker because we won't have any like we're
  5859. 4:01:20 Unknown speaker we're only two meetings in December.
  5860. 4:01:23 Unknown speaker Mhm.
  5861. 4:01:23 Unknown speaker There's only and it's two regular
  5862. 4:01:25 Unknown speaker sessions, the 7th and the 14th,
  5863. 4:01:27 Unknown speaker and then the 21st and 28th are both
  5864. 4:01:28 Unknown speaker canceled. So I I would prefer that we
  5865. 4:01:30 Unknown speaker keep we preserve the option to have the
  5866. 4:01:33 Unknown speaker study a study session on the 23rd.
  5867. 4:01:36 Unknown speaker I think we it might be valuable. So
  5868. 4:01:38 Unknown speaker that's that's my one little plug there.
  5869. 4:01:40 Unknown speaker And we would still stack the LURA and
  5870. 4:01:43 Unknown speaker LJ. Okay. And then in the event we don't
  5871. 4:01:45 Unknown speaker have anything for a study session, we
  5872. 4:01:47 Unknown speaker can always cancel it. So,
  5873. 4:01:48 Unknown speaker okay.
  5874. 4:01:49 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5875. 4:01:50 Unknown speaker Um, how do we feel with Can we check in
  5876. 4:01:52 Unknown speaker on that one?
  5877. 4:01:53 Unknown speaker Yes. Cancel study on this. Cancel
  5878. 4:01:55 Unknown speaker November 2nd.
  5879. 4:01:56 Unknown speaker Move that to November 23rd. Everything
  5880. 4:01:58 Unknown speaker else as is on the screen.
  5881. 4:02:00 Unknown speaker Yes.
  5882. 4:02:01 Unknown speaker Is that okay?
  5883. 4:02:03 Unknown speaker Okay. So, one, two, three, four, five.
  5884. 4:02:07 Unknown speaker So, we have five. So,
  5885. 4:02:09 Unknown speaker and that 23rd meeting, if there's
  5886. 4:02:10 Unknown speaker nothing for the agenda, then we would
  5887. 4:02:12 Unknown speaker count
  5888. 4:02:13 Unknown speaker we would remove it. Okay.
  5889. 4:02:14 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5890. 4:02:15 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5891. 4:02:18 Unknown speaker December.
  5892. 4:02:18 Unknown speaker December.
  5893. 4:02:19 Unknown speaker Um, so the seventh just different from
  5894. 4:02:23 Unknown speaker your packet. I forgot to add the
  5895. 4:02:24 Unknown speaker organizational meeting which is the
  5896. 4:02:25 Unknown speaker first Tuesday in December when your
  5897. 4:02:27 Unknown speaker terms start for the newly electeds.
  5898. 4:02:29 Unknown speaker That starts at 7:30 p.m. because charter
  5899. 4:02:31 Unknown speaker says so.
  5900. 4:02:32 Unknown speaker Regular. Y.
  5901. 4:02:32 Unknown speaker So, and um if you cancel the week of
  5902. 4:02:35 Unknown speaker Christmas and the week of New Year,
  5903. 4:02:37 Unknown speaker which is tradition. Yes,
  5904. 4:02:38 Unknown speaker that leaves you with two Tuesdays and
  5905. 4:02:40 Unknown speaker two backtoback regular sessions. So,
  5906. 4:02:42 Unknown speaker organizational regular and then a
  5907. 4:02:44 Unknown speaker regular. Not not many options, but just
  5908. 4:02:47 Unknown speaker that's typically what we do. Isn't that
  5909. 4:02:49 Unknown speaker Yeah, that's great.
  5910. 4:02:50 Unknown speaker It is typically what you do. Yes.
  5911. 4:02:52 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5912. 4:02:52 Unknown speaker Um and then I have noted in the in the
  5913. 4:02:55 Unknown speaker bottom there January I should have put
  5914. 4:02:57 Unknown speaker this in a calendar for you. January
  5915. 4:02:59 Unknown speaker 2028.
  5916. 4:03:01 Unknown speaker Um there are five well there's four
  5917. 4:03:04 Unknown speaker Tuesdays. ally study regular lura
  5918. 4:03:06 Unknown speaker regular um and push an open form to
  5919. 4:03:08 Unknown speaker February 2nd.
  5920. 4:03:10 Unknown speaker Mhm.
  5921. 4:03:10 Unknown speaker Um but up to you how you'd like to do
  5922. 4:03:13 Unknown speaker that. That would be consistent sort of
  5923. 4:03:14 Unknown speaker with the conversation you had a minute
  5924. 4:03:16 Unknown speaker ago about
  5925. 4:03:17 Unknown speaker people still being in vacation mode, not
  5926. 4:03:18 Unknown speaker ready to engage.
  5927. 4:03:19 Unknown speaker I like that. Um council member Marcy.
  5928. 4:03:22 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I I want to see if I
  5929. 4:03:24 Unknown speaker get yelled at here. I I we've already
  5930. 4:03:27 Unknown speaker moved quite a few meetings. I I I'm
  5931. 4:03:30 Unknown speaker looking at that December 21st. Is it
  5932. 4:03:32 Unknown speaker possible to add a I mean what's the
  5933. 4:03:34 Unknown speaker temperature on an as needed because I
  5934. 4:03:38 Unknown speaker think we already How many study sessions
  5935. 4:03:39 Unknown speaker have we just had? Like two all year
  5936. 4:03:41 Unknown speaker basically and I think some of the
  5937. 4:03:42 Unknown speaker studies
  5938. 4:03:42 Unknown speaker we've had more.
  5939. 4:03:43 Unknown speaker Okay. Um
  5940. 4:03:46 Unknown speaker I I'm I'm just looking at that saying,
  5941. 4:03:49 Unknown speaker you know, it's it's far enough away from
  5942. 4:03:51 Unknown speaker the holiday that I'm willing to to
  5943. 4:03:53 Unknown speaker entertain it. Um but if if as in if
  5944. 4:03:55 Unknown speaker needed.
  5945. 4:03:55 Unknown speaker No, because it's not just us on the
  5946. 4:03:58 Unknown speaker seven here. It's also Aldi.
  5947. 4:03:59 Unknown speaker Sure. I my thought was is it far enough?
  5948. 4:04:02 Unknown speaker But sure.
  5949. 4:04:03 Unknown speaker Yep. Okay.
  5950. 4:04:04 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5951. 4:04:06 Unknown speaker Are you um do you like the January
  5952. 4:04:09 Unknown speaker February February 2nd open form?
  5953. 4:04:11 Unknown speaker February 2nd, 2028.
  5954. 4:04:14 Unknown speaker Is there a thumbs up? At least
  5955. 4:04:16 Unknown speaker conceptually, we you will look at it
  5956. 4:04:17 Unknown speaker again in a year.
  5957. 4:04:19 Unknown speaker Okay. The one on the very bottom
  5958. 4:04:20 Unknown speaker 2028 is 2028.
  5959. 4:04:22 Unknown speaker It's just a little list. Yeah. Okay.
  5960. 4:04:24 Unknown speaker [clears throat]
  5961. 4:04:26 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5962. 4:04:27 Unknown speaker Yeah. Oh,
  5963. 4:04:28 Unknown speaker but it's 23.
  5964. 4:04:29 Unknown speaker That's cuz I can't switch gears yet.
  5965. 4:04:31 Unknown speaker Yes. Okay.
  5966. 4:04:32 Unknown speaker My apologies. 28.
  5967. 4:04:34 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5968. 4:04:34 Unknown speaker Uh we will bring this back, make all of
  5969. 4:04:36 Unknown speaker these adjustments, put it on consent
  5970. 4:04:38 Unknown speaker agenda so you that you can formally
  5971. 4:04:40 Unknown speaker bless it.
  5972. 4:04:40 Unknown speaker Okay.
  5973. 4:04:41 Unknown speaker Sounds good.
  5974. 4:04:43 Unknown speaker Now, the retreat retreat.
  5975. 4:04:46 Unknown speaker So, one suggestion was January 30th
  5976. 4:04:49 Unknown speaker and I will let Sandy
  5977. 4:04:52 Unknown speaker sit here.
  5978. 4:04:52 Unknown speaker Take it from there. No, up up to you
  5979. 4:04:55 Unknown speaker all. If you have other suggestions, let
  5980. 4:04:56 Unknown speaker me know. If you want me to go to a
  5981. 4:04:57 Unknown speaker different month of this past year, you
  5982. 4:04:59 Unknown speaker did it in February.
  5983. 4:05:01 Unknown speaker February 26. We did.
  5984. 4:05:02 Unknown speaker I think we did it in
  5985. 4:05:04 Unknown speaker March. March because we thought we had
  5986. 4:05:06 Unknown speaker an extra election that was happening.
  5987. 4:05:08 Unknown speaker So,
  5988. 4:05:09 Unknown speaker yes. Yeah.
  5989. 4:05:09 Unknown speaker Yeah. Which we didn't
  5990. 4:05:14 Unknown speaker have January.
  5991. 4:05:15 Unknown speaker So, does January 30th work for
  5992. 4:05:16 Unknown speaker everybody? If so, it's all good.
  5993. 4:05:18 Unknown speaker Good with that. Yeah.
  5994. 4:05:20 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  5995. 4:05:22 Unknown speaker Um,
  5996. 4:05:22 Unknown speaker and do you want to do a one day Saturday
  5997. 4:05:25 Unknown speaker or do you want to do Friday Saturday?
  5998. 4:05:27 Unknown speaker Well, let's look at the 30th. I heard
  5999. 4:05:28 Unknown speaker some people,
  6000. 4:05:30 Unknown speaker um, so, Council Member Popkin.
  6001. 4:05:32 Unknown speaker Yeah, I guess
  6002. 4:05:33 Unknown speaker January 30th.
  6003. 4:05:34 Unknown speaker I I wanted to just ask what the goal of
  6004. 4:05:36 Unknown speaker this retreat would be since we've been
  6005. 4:05:38 Unknown speaker working on refining the action plan kind
  6006. 4:05:40 Unknown speaker of up to like the last month. And
  6007. 4:05:44 Unknown speaker frankly, we just did an airport working
  6008. 4:05:45 Unknown speaker session as well very intentionally. I'm
  6009. 4:05:48 Unknown speaker fine holding something if we want to
  6010. 4:05:49 Unknown speaker keep it as a placeholder, but I'm not
  6011. 4:05:51 Unknown speaker like
  6012. 4:05:52 Unknown speaker we might be better off just keeping
  6013. 4:05:54 Unknown speaker working on the other things and not
  6014. 4:05:56 Unknown speaker taking that day and staff time to plan
  6015. 4:05:58 Unknown speaker plan that. So, I don't know. Just wanted
  6016. 4:05:59 Unknown speaker to throw that out. I don't want to be
  6017. 4:06:00 Unknown speaker too radical of taking that or we
  6018. 4:06:03 Unknown speaker um just because it's or we do some other
  6019. 4:06:05 Unknown speaker kind of like community engagement forum
  6020. 4:06:06 Unknown speaker or or out there like we repurpose what
  6021. 4:06:09 Unknown speaker would otherwise go into that given we've
  6022. 4:06:11 Unknown speaker spent a lot of time on the action plan
  6023. 4:06:12 Unknown speaker and priorities over the last few months.
  6024. 4:06:15 Unknown speaker Okay. Thank you.
  6025. 4:06:16 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, Council Member Marcen,
  6026. 4:06:18 Unknown speaker love the idea. Um, love that idea. I I I
  6027. 4:06:22 Unknown speaker feel like the retreat is a I mean,
  6028. 4:06:24 Unknown speaker Sandy, you tell us it's a big staff
  6029. 4:06:26 Unknown speaker lift. Um, I know we've done it
  6030. 4:06:28 Unknown speaker traditionally annually. I'm curious
  6031. 4:06:30 Unknown speaker about the benefit for staff of an annual
  6032. 4:06:33 Unknown speaker of doing it annually, especially when
  6033. 4:06:34 Unknown speaker we've just gone through like typically
  6034. 4:06:36 Unknown speaker we haven't like typically the process of
  6035. 4:06:38 Unknown speaker aligning our priorities and all that
  6036. 4:06:40 Unknown speaker stuff happens has finished
  6037. 4:06:42 Unknown speaker a while before the point we're at now. I
  6038. 4:06:45 Unknown speaker I don't know that honestly having a
  6039. 4:06:47 Unknown speaker retreat in January of next year or
  6040. 4:06:49 Unknown speaker February of next year makes a ton of
  6041. 4:06:51 Unknown speaker sense. I I would prefer it be either an
  6042. 4:06:54 Unknown speaker open forum or some community outreach
  6043. 4:06:56 Unknown speaker opportunity or some I I mean from a
  6044. 4:06:59 Unknown speaker staff time perspective unless there is a
  6045. 4:07:01 Unknown speaker real benefit of staff to have that
  6046. 4:07:05 Unknown speaker because I I don't know that it's a huge
  6047. 4:07:07 Unknown speaker benefit for me. So
  6048. 4:07:08 Unknown speaker Sandy, did you want to weigh in?
  6049. 4:07:09 Unknown speaker Mayor Hago fairing the retreat is
  6050. 4:07:11 Unknown speaker absolutely whatever the council needs.
  6051. 4:07:13 Unknown speaker So the staff does not need for the
  6052. 4:07:15 Unknown speaker council to have uh a retreat at that
  6053. 4:07:17 Unknown speaker time. I feel like once we have your
  6054. 4:07:19 Unknown speaker action plan set, that's what guides us.
  6055. 4:07:21 Unknown speaker Um so yeah, there's no need from a staff
  6056. 4:07:24 Unknown speaker perspective. It really is what does the
  6057. 4:07:25 Unknown speaker council need?
  6058. 4:07:27 Unknown speaker Yeah, I I would prefer we do
  6059. 4:07:30 Unknown speaker and I don't know what that looked like.
  6060. 4:07:31 Unknown speaker I need to think about it, but I I prefer
  6061. 4:07:33 Unknown speaker we not honestly and we wait. I mean, we
  6062. 4:07:36 Unknown speaker we've done we did a two-day retreat.
  6063. 4:07:38 Unknown speaker Maybe, you know, I noodle a bit and we
  6064. 4:07:40 Unknown speaker come back with some community engagement
  6065. 4:07:42 Unknown speaker opportunity on that date or something
  6066. 4:07:43 Unknown speaker like that. I I don't know, but I'd
  6067. 4:07:46 Unknown speaker prefer to I'd prefer to not I mean, I
  6068. 4:07:49 Unknown speaker love y'all, but
  6069. 4:07:50 Unknown speaker not that much. Okay.
  6070. 4:07:51 Unknown speaker Yeah.
  6071. 4:07:52 Unknown speaker Yeah. If I can jump in just from a if I
  6072. 4:07:55 Unknown speaker can jump in to answer some of the
  6073. 4:07:56 Unknown speaker questions
  6074. 4:07:57 Unknown speaker from an action plan standpoint. I mean
  6075. 4:08:00 Unknown speaker to the point we're really just now
  6076. 4:08:02 Unknown speaker getting into the implementation
  6077. 4:08:05 Unknown speaker of what you've decided and so if council
  6078. 4:08:08 Unknown speaker wanted to consider something it may make
  6079. 4:08:11 Unknown speaker more sense to look later in the year. So
  6080. 4:08:14 Unknown speaker and and it's more of an update on the
  6081. 4:08:17 Unknown speaker action plan versus
  6082. 4:08:19 Unknown speaker a retreat because unless you're assuming
  6083. 4:08:22 Unknown speaker that you're going to change things,
  6084. 4:08:26 Unknown speaker we're just now getting into
  6085. 4:08:27 Unknown speaker implementation mode. Okay. So, yeah, I'm
  6086. 4:08:30 Unknown speaker I'm good with using that time for
  6087. 4:08:34 Unknown speaker another. So, with thumbs up, not doing
  6088. 4:08:37 Unknown speaker Oh my god. Okay.
  6089. 4:08:40 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6090. 4:08:41 Unknown speaker You know what? It's It's not worth it.
  6091. 4:08:42 Unknown speaker My thought was going to be about how you
  6092. 4:08:45 Unknown speaker know, how often does direction change at
  6093. 4:08:47 Unknown speaker a midyear at a mid-counsel retreat and
  6094. 4:08:49 Unknown speaker then we're going to have an election the
  6095. 4:08:51 Unknown speaker following November and then we're going
  6096. 4:08:52 Unknown speaker to go through this whole thing
  6097. 4:08:53 Unknown speaker potentially again. Hopefully not
  6098. 4:08:55 Unknown speaker depending on turnover, but yeah. No, I
  6099. 4:08:56 Unknown speaker prefer
  6100. 4:08:56 Unknown speaker Okay. Thanks. Um, do we want to just
  6101. 4:08:59 Unknown speaker forego a a retreat in Jan? Yeah.
  6102. 4:09:01 Unknown speaker And then come back
  6103. 4:09:02 Unknown speaker and then we can come back with community
  6104. 4:09:04 Unknown speaker engagement options. Okay,
  6105. 4:09:07 Unknown speaker sounds great.
  6106. 4:09:07 Unknown speaker Yep.
  6107. 4:09:08 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor Council.
  6108. 4:09:09 Unknown speaker Uh-huh. Okay. And [clears throat] then
  6109. 4:09:17 Unknown speaker we are now at mayor and council
  6110. 4:09:19 Unknown speaker comments. Okay, we had lots of comments
  6111. 4:09:23 Unknown speaker this evening and we have more. Council
  6112. 4:09:25 Unknown speaker member Coloffer.
  6113. 4:09:27 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. Um, I'm gonna be
  6114. 4:09:28 Unknown speaker starting a council on the bus series.
  6115. 4:09:30 Unknown speaker Um, so I'm going to be teaching folks
  6116. 4:09:32 Unknown speaker how to ride the new airport bus. Um,
  6117. 4:09:34 Unknown speaker there's going to be some sessions where
  6118. 4:09:35 Unknown speaker I'm just going to be at Aan Kaufman and
  6119. 4:09:37 Unknown speaker I'm going to be teaching people how to
  6120. 4:09:38 Unknown speaker get on the bus, also working with
  6121. 4:09:40 Unknown speaker Elcomite and I'm having it in Spanish as
  6122. 4:09:43 Unknown speaker well. Um, and then there's also going to
  6123. 4:09:45 Unknown speaker be some uh times that I'm going to be
  6124. 4:09:48 Unknown speaker taking the bus to the actual airport uh
  6125. 4:09:50 Unknown speaker to help folks who are not comfortable
  6126. 4:09:52 Unknown speaker going to the airport alone for me to be
  6127. 4:09:54 Unknown speaker there and explain how uh to get from
  6128. 4:09:56 Unknown speaker point A to point B. Uh so there's going
  6129. 4:09:58 Unknown speaker to be a lot of community outreach and
  6130. 4:09:59 Unknown speaker I'm looking forward to it.
  6131. 4:10:00 Unknown speaker Great. Thank you. Um Council Member
  6132. 4:10:02 Unknown speaker Christ.
  6133. 4:10:04 Unknown speaker Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to
  6134. 4:10:06 Unknown speaker remind everyone that 21st Avenue is
  6135. 4:10:07 Unknown speaker going to be closed at the railroad
  6136. 4:10:09 Unknown speaker tracks there um starting tomorrow all
  6137. 4:10:12 Unknown speaker the way to November 17th.
  6138. 4:10:15 Unknown speaker And then also um I'm going to another
  6139. 4:10:18 Unknown speaker tour of the uh village co-op which is a
  6140. 4:10:21 Unknown speaker forale senior product um that is quite
  6141. 4:10:26 Unknown speaker popular actually. Um the tour is
  6142. 4:10:29 Unknown speaker tomorrow morning at 10:00. If anybody is
  6143. 4:10:30 Unknown speaker around and would like to join join me
  6144. 4:10:32 Unknown speaker that would be great.
  6145. 4:10:33 Unknown speaker Thank you. Um, city manager remarks.
  6146. 4:10:38 Unknown speaker No comments, mayor, council,
  6147. 4:10:39 Unknown speaker city attorney.
  6148. 4:10:41 Unknown speaker No comments, mayor.
  6149. 4:10:42 Unknown speaker Okay.
  6150. 4:10:43 Unknown speaker Okay. We have a motion to adjurnn. And
  6151. 4:10:44 Unknown speaker it's been seconded. All those in favor?
  6152. 4:10:46 Unknown speaker I. We are
  6153. 4:10:47 Unknown speaker adjourned.
  6154. 4:11:08 Unknown speaker [music]
  6155. 4:11:22 Unknown speaker Heat. Heat.
  6156. 4:11:45 Unknown speaker Heat. Heat.